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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2008,22:23   

DonaldM gets tardacular:

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DonaldM

09/22/2008

10:34 am

We don’t need a Messiah. We need a President.




and Davetard responds:
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DaveScot

09/22/2008

1:31 pm

DonaldM

A messiah in physical form would be nice but lacking that we need a president.

Obama is a Harvard-polished charismatic radical.


Reminding us once again that there is no comment so stupid that it can't be made at UD. Like or dislike Obama, calling him a 'radical' nukes the fridge.

(edited to fix my botched formatting)

Edited by stevestory on Sep. 22 2008,23:24

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2008,22:25   

radical.  heh.

looks like just another stuffed shirt to me.  yawn...  flips back to the bozo show

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,08:03   

Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 22 2008,10:15)
Dodgen definitely suffers from slide rule envy. From what I can gather, he is a bright programmer, but not actually an engineer by training.

This sophomoric attempt to show off what he thinks is mathematical depth reminds me of this post from a while back. In it he launches into an elaborate description of binary search algorithms, a matter which is only tangentially related to the issue under discussion.

But of course, deliberately confusing levels of abstraction when discussing computer simulations is one of the most-used tools in the ID toolbox. If you can sound really technical while doing it, the sycophants will all go "oooh" and "ahhh."

Skullboy,

You're being too generous in calling GilDo "bright" and in giving him credit for deliberately mixing levels of abstraction in order to fool the rubes.  He's genuinely confused about levels of abstraction.  See these two threads for evidence:

A Realistic Computational Simulation of Random Mutation Filtered by Natural Selection in Biology
Gil Has Never Grasped the Nature of a Simulation Model

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,09:18   

Having trouble with URL formatting.  The "Realistic Computation" URL above has a couple of junk characters added to "biology".  Edit them out to view the site.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,10:32   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 23 2008,04:25)
radical.  heh.

looks like just another stuffed shirt to me.  yawn...  flips back to the bozo show

Like most/all politicians he looks that way to me too. But you never know, this time we might be wrong.

We're probably not though.

Louis

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,11:04   

what i want to know is "Is Obama The Antichrist?"

surely that qualifies as the sort of thing folks need to know before they vote.

i mean come on he only has one car?  how unamerican is that.  I bet he has 13 camels.  

anyway, I'd vote for him for Queen.  Do we get to vote for that?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,11:16   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 23 2008,17:04)
what i want to know is "Is Obama The Antichrist?"

surely that qualifies as the sort of thing folks need to know before they vote.

i mean come on he only has one car?  how unamerican is that.  I bet he has 13 camels.  

anyway, I'd vote for him for Queen.  Do we get to vote for that?

Yeah, we get to vote for that. We vote by getting to fuck the previous Queen.

Of course the process by which we get to fuck the previous Queen is this thing called "The Divine Right of Kings", which is totally bogus.

Louis

P.S. 13 camels? Truly Allah has blessed him with riches. Does he have an ugly daughter?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,11:44   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,08:03)
Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 22 2008,10:15)
Dodgen definitely suffers from slide rule envy. From what I can gather, he is a bright programmer, but not actually an engineer by training.

This sophomoric attempt to show off what he thinks is mathematical depth reminds me of this post from a while back. In it he launches into an elaborate description of binary search algorithms, a matter which is only tangentially related to the issue under discussion.

But of course, deliberately confusing levels of abstraction when discussing computer simulations is one of the most-used tools in the ID toolbox. If you can sound really technical while doing it, the sycophants will all go "oooh" and "ahhh."

Skullboy,

You're being too generous in calling GilDo "bright" and in giving him credit for deliberately mixing levels of abstraction in order to fool the rubes.  He's genuinely confused about levels of abstraction.  See these two threads for evidence:

A Realistic Computational Simulation of Random Mutation Filtered by Natural Selection in Biology
Gil Has Never Grasped the Nature of a Simulation Model

My gosh, that's some vintage tard. It's definitely matured over the years to give it that strong, rich kick, and the addition of JAD lends it that little bit of fizz.

It's worth it just for RB's attempt to explain that computation is independent of the machine which performs it, and could be done with logs and ropes, to which Davescot replies 'well why don't you BUILD one then'. Classic. ^.^

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,12:19   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,09:03)
Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 22 2008,10:15)
Dodgen definitely suffers from slide rule envy. From what I can gather, he is a bright programmer, but not actually an engineer by training.

This sophomoric attempt to show off what he thinks is mathematical depth reminds me of this post from a while back. In it he launches into an elaborate description of binary search algorithms, a matter which is only tangentially related to the issue under discussion.

But of course, deliberately confusing levels of abstraction when discussing computer simulations is one of the most-used tools in the ID toolbox. If you can sound really technical while doing it, the sycophants will all go "oooh" and "ahhh."

Skullboy,

You're being too generous in calling GilDo "bright" and in giving him credit for deliberately mixing levels of abstraction in order to fool the rubes.  He's genuinely confused about levels of abstraction.  See these two threads for evidence:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-realistic-computational-simulation-of-random-mutation-filtered-by-natural-selection-in-b

iology]A Realistic Computational Simulation of Random Mutation Filtered by Natural Selection in Biology[/URL]
Gil Has Never Grasped the Nature of a Simulation Model

That is down right scary.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,12:37   

They don't make tard like that anymore.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,12:58   

Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Sep. 23 2008,12:44)
It's worth it just for RB's attempt to explain that computation is independent of the machine which performs it, and could be done with logs and ropes, to which Davescot replies 'well why don't you BUILD one then'. Classic. ^.^

My finest hour at UD.

In fact, my ONLY hour at UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,13:09   

When I really understood computation, the model I had in my head was with pipes and valves and water. That's one of the elementary points, that logic gates don't care what they're made of. You'd think they would at least understand that at UD. But apparently not.

   
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,13:11   

Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Sep. 23 2008,10:37)
They don't make tard like that anymore.

There were quite a few discussions around that time of how we were living in a Golden Age of Tard, never to be repeated.

Though the tard continues to flow, somehow it's just not the same...    :(

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,13:18   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,14:11)
 
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Sep. 23 2008,10:37)
They don't make tard like that anymore.

There were quite a few discussions around that time of how we were living in a Golden Age of Tard, never to be repeated.

Though the tard continues to flow, somehow it's just not the same...    :(

Look at the level of opposition that was tolerated - and ended - during that thread. Tom English and Karl Pfluger, in particular, had DaveScot and Gil Dodg'em completely overmatched, although it is unclear that Dave realized that. Those days are gone.

Gil's attempt to maintain that he was just funnin' in his original post is priceless, too.

But Davison asking "who's left?" immediately following several consecutive bannings (including my own) is my candidate for "most poignantly tardilicious moment in UD history."

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,13:21   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 23 2008,19:18)
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,14:11)
 
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Sep. 23 2008,10:37)
They don't make tard like that anymore.

There were quite a few discussions around that time of how we were living in a Golden Age of Tard, never to be repeated.

Though the tard continues to flow, somehow it's just not the same...    :(

Look at the level of opposition that was tolerated - and ended - during that thread. Tom English and Karl Pfluger, in particular, had DaveScot and Gil completely overmatched, although it is unclear that Dave realized that. Those days are gone.

Gil's attempt to maintain that he was just funnin' in his original post is priceless, too.

But Davison asking "who's left?" immediately following several consecutive bannings (including my own) is my candidate for "most poignantly tardilicious moment in UD history."

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

Why I remember when this was all tards...

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,13:40   

Well, they are now on record as Total Tards, with DaveScot's canonization of the McBush - Palin Team.

I am not surprised.

AND STAY OFF OF HIS LAWNS $#@!!^%


McFail - Palin Are Tards Too!

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Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,14:02   

OT....

Does anyone have any history or knowledge of this gentleman?

Rev. John Rankin  - http://www.teinetwork.com/biography.html

He is part of an upcoming debate at my former place of employ.  I'm looking to take the day and hear him babble......er....speak.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,15:18   

Meanwhile, it looks like Dodgen got out of Dodge once Raevmo and Zachriel showed up to challenge him on the Telic Thoughts thread.

No sign of him on his UD thread either.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,15:40   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2008,11:09)
When I really understood computation, the model I had in my head was with pipes and valves and water. That's one of the elementary points, that logic gates don't care what they're made of. You'd think they would at least understand that at UD. But apparently not.

Here's my favorite illustration of that principle:



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From a distance the Tinkertoy computer resembles a childhood fantasy gone wild or, as one of the group members remarked, a spool-and-stick version of the "space slab" from the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.  Unlike the alien monolith, the computer plays a mean game of tic-tac-toe. A Tinkertoy framework called the read head clicks and clacks its way down the front of the monolith.  At some point the clicking mysteriously stops; a "core piece" within the framework spins and then with a satisfying "kathunk" indirectly kicks an "output duck," a bird-shaped construction. The output duck swings down from its perch so that its beak points at a number--which identifies the computer's next move in a game of tic-tac-toe.

Link

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,15:51   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,16:40)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2008,11:09)
When I really understood computation, the model I had in my head was with pipes and valves and water. That's one of the elementary points, that logic gates don't care what they're made of. You'd think they would at least understand that at UD. But apparently not.

Here's my favorite illustration of that principle:



Quote
From a distance the Tinkertoy computer resembles a childhood fantasy gone wild or, as one of the group members remarked, a spool-and-stick version of the "space slab" from the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.  Unlike the alien monolith, the computer plays a mean game of tic-tac-toe. A Tinkertoy framework called the read head clicks and clacks its way down the front of the monolith.  At some point the clicking mysteriously stops; a "core piece" within the framework spins and then with a satisfying "kathunk" indirectly kicks an "output duck," a bird-shaped construction. The output duck swings down from its perch so that its beak points at a number--which identifies the computer's next move in a game of tic-tac-toe.

Link

Cool. WAY cool.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,16:30   

I think it's worth archiving this:

 
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23 September 2008
Presidential Politics on Uncommon Descent
DaveScot

Many of you are wondering why the UD adminstration decided to take an aggressive stand promoting the McCain/Palin presidential ticket.

There are two reasons.

The first is that both Senator McCain and Governor Palin are on record supporting “teach the controversy”. Senator Obama is on the record against it. Our goal is not to vanquish the Darwinian narrative by legal chicanery. That’s a tactic our opponents employ. Our goal is to let young people in public schools hear both sides of the argument in a religiously neutral manner and thus stop the early indoctrination into the Darwinian narrative by presenting it in a vacuum devoid of criticism or alternative hypotheses.

The second reason is that our opponents in the academic halls of science are working very hard to promote the candidate sympathetic with their views and denigrate those who are not. We’ve simply decided that in this case our best interest lies in engaging the Darwinian science lobby under the rules of engagement they themselves have established.


Uh, perhaps you are referring to democracy, Dave?  Damn those people that have the audacity to work for the candidate of their choice because they like those candidates' positions on important subjects such as supporting mainstream science in the classroom.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,16:41   

Of course they support Palin. She's a creationist. They're creationists.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,16:41   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 23 2008,16:30 quoting DT)
Our goal is not to vanquish the Darwinian narrative by legal chicanery. That’s a tactic our opponents employ.

Thank the FSM  I hadn't replaced my irony meter after it melted yesterday during that FtK firestorm. This would have taken out the new one for sure!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,16:42   

I love how they censor anti-GOP comments at UD now.

   
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,16:53   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 23 2008,22:41)
Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 23 2008,16:30 quoting DT)
Our goal is not to vanquish the Darwinian narrative by legal chicanery. That’s a tactic our opponents employ.

Thank the FSM  I hadn't replaced my irony meter after it melted yesterday during that FtK firestorm. This would have taken out the new one for sure!

I've stopped buying them.

Mind you I have developed a new irony meter in my underground irony bunker......oh yes, when it's ready I will use it to take over the world.....MWAH HA HA HAAAA!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,17:03   

Prediction: the people at UD are so clueless that they will repeat this claim.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,21:55   

Can anyone tell me what planet Davescot lives on?
   
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DaveScot
09/23/2008
8:07 pm

Just announced:

FBI is investigating Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, and Lehman for fraud.

Obama has been deeply connected with these companies and their upper management for decades. Can’t wait to see what the FBI uncovers.

Ignoring that Obama is 44 and, if he had been in these guys pockets for "decades", his involvement with their upper management extended back into his days as a community agitator organizer, I would ask Dave one question:  What was McCain campaign manager Rick Davis' day job?

Ruh-roh, Shaggy!!  The money shots:
   
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One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement.

.......

They said they did not recall Mr. Davis’s doing much substantive work for the company in return for the money, other than speak to a political action committee of high-ranking employees in October 2006 on the approaching midterm Congressional elections. They said Mr. Davis’s firm, Davis & Manafort, had been kept on the payroll because of Mr. Davis’s close ties to Mr. McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, who by 2006 was widely expected to run again for the White House.

.....

Freddie Mac’s roughly $500,000 in payments to Davis & Manafort began immediately after Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae in late 2005 disbanded an advocacy coalition that they had set up and hired Mr. Davis to run, the people familiar with the arrangement said.

From 2000 to the end of 2005, Mr. Davis had received nearly $2 million as president of the coalition, the Homeownership Alliance, which the companies created to help them oppose new regulations and protect their status as federally chartered companies with implicit government backing. That status let them borrow cheaply, helping to fuel rapid growth but also their increased purchases of the risky mortgage securities that were their downfall.

And that is only the tip of the iceberg.  Google up McCain advisor Phil Gramm's role in banking deregulation sometime.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,22:14   

I found the Sci-Am/A.K. Dewdney article in which is described the Apraphulian rope and pulley computer:

 
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The Rope-and-Pulley Wonder

On the island of Apraphul off the northwest coast of New Guinea, archaeologists have discovered the rotting remnants of an ingenious arrangement of ropes and pulleys thought to be the first working digital computer ever constructed. Chief investigator Robert L. Ripley of the Charles Fort College in New York dates the construction to approximately A.D. 850.

The Apraphulians were excellent sailors. Their ships were wonderfully built and equipped with the most elaborate rigging imaginable. Were the Apraphulians led to the digital computer by their mastery of rope or was it the other way around? Experts continue to debate the topic hotly.

The ancient rope-and-pulley computer has been partially reconstructed by Ripley and his team at the Tropical Museum of Marine Antiquities in nearby Sumatra. Scouring a site that extends through several kilometres of dense jungle east of the Pulleg Mountains, the group found faint traces of buried jute fibres and noted the exact position of badly corroded brass pulleys and associated hardware. The reconstruction has given me an ideal opportunity to introduce readers to the principles of digital computing without resorting to tiny and mysterious electronic components. Here are gates, flip-flops, and circuits made entirely of rope and pulleys. It is all visible and perfectly easy to understand...


Continue...

[ETA: Found in the April, 1988 issue.]

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,22:20   

I have no idea what planet Davetard lives on, but it's not Earth

(from the thread Carlson linked to)

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09/23/2008

3:40 pm

Until Obama learns to shed his obession with race he really isn’t fit to lead IMO.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,22:22   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2008,23:20)
I have no idea what planet Davetard lives on, but it's not Earth

(from the thread Carlson linked to)

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DaveScot

09/23/2008

3:40 pm

Until Obama learns to shed his obession with race he really isn’t fit to lead IMO.

Is Obama Inuit?

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