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Posted by: MidnightVoice on Oct. 19 2005,12:45

I have been involved in other boards and some of them have an "ignore" feature.  This can very useful at times.  Does anyone know if this board has one?  :D
Posted by: C.J.O'Brien on Oct. 19 2005,13:46

Well, peachy and the withered wisp seem to be utilizing SOME feature that allows them to ignore things like evidence, and logic, so I would say: yes. yes it does.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 19 2005,13:48

:D
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 10 2006,23:35

Slightly different mechanics... the primary hard disk on the server was getting intermittent errors, leading to the server going offline. A few hours ago, the secondary disk was made the boot disk, and I have been working since then to get everything back in place with the right permissions, ownership, etc., and I think that things are OK now. Let me know if there are things that I've overlooked.
Posted by: jeannot on May 11 2006,11:38

Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 11 2006,18:22



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?


---------------------QUOTE-------------------



If it was working before, I don't see how.

From iTextParser.pm:



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


$Txt =~ s{\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]}   {
                  $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE'});
                  qq[<!--QuoteBegin-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$1<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->];
                }eisgx;

       $Txt =~ s{\[quote=(.+?),\s*(.+?)\](.+?)\[\/quote\]}   {
                   $auth = $1;
                   $time = $2;
                   $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE', EXTRA => "($auth \@ $time)"});
                   $extra = "-\-$auth\+$time";
                  qq[<!--QuoteBegin$extra-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$3<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->];
                }eisgx;


---------------------QUOTE-------------------



The regular expression,

\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]

means "look for a quote tag, gather and remember the text from that point to the next closing quote tag". Which means that in any "nested" quote, it matches the outer opening quote tag to the innermost closing quote tag. To do nested quotes, I'm thinking that you would need a real parser, not just some regular expression matches.


Posted by: Russell on May 12 2006,02:39

I never did figure out how to do nested quotes. If it's working now, can someone give me a clue?

(I certainly hope that box Wesley just posted was not the procedure!;)
Posted by: Mr_Christopher on May 12 2006,04:10

I think Midnight was asking for an ignore button where you could ignore certain users here and not see their comments.

And Russell, if you make a new post you'll see a Quote button along the menue about the new post, experiment with that button.  Also, when you read my post here you'll see a different Quote button.  Try that one as well and use the Preview button alot  :-)
Posted by: Henry J on May 12 2006,06:03

I suppose a work around for the nested quote thing would be split the nest up into separate quotes. More work, but it might even make it easier to read. I.e., instead of (A said (B said (C said ...) ... ) ... )
put
(C said ... )
(B said ... )
(A said ... )

Henry
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,09:01

The first of those regular expressions only matches quotes with no attribution. The second mathes only one with them. So as long as you do something like



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

 {quote=A,B}
   {quote} .... {/quote}
 {/quote} and don't nest any deeper you should be OK

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Quote (A @ B)
 

 xxxxxxx
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
yyyy
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




---------------------QUOTE-------------------



This has been driving me crazy for ages. Thanks for the code snippet.
Posted by: jeannot on May 12 2006,09:10

Quote (test @ test)

test


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
test
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


test

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


test

EDIT, it works!
Posted by: Henry J on May 12 2006,10:11

So inner quotes aren't allowed to say who said whatever it is? That seems like a strange limitation to have.

Henry
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,11:02

Not sure that a full parser is necessary. If you add a (.*) to the front of your pattern (To slurp up the longest text that doesn't contain {quote}, you can find the last complete inner quote. Then iterate until you find no more or you hit a limit (to avoid infinite loops if there is a mistake). I also combined the handling of {quote=} and {quote} forms, otherwise it still gets hopelessly muddled.




---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
#! perl

$_ = <<END;

{quote=wes, 08:00:10}
  {quote}
     {quote}
        Three quotes
          {quote=steve, 01:15}  yes but  {/quote}
          {quote}  no but {/quote}
          {quote=xxx, 01:17}  yes {/quote}
          get a life, steve
      {/quote}
  {/quote}

  {quote=blah, blah} blah blah {/quote}
  {quote} yawn {/quote}
{/quote}
END

$MAXQUOTES=20;
$n=0;
for( $i = 0; $i < $MAXQUOTES &&  $_ ne $old; $i++)
{

  $old=$_;
  s{(.*)\{quote(=(.+?),\s*(.+?))?\}(.+?)\{/quote\}} {
       $n++;
       if ($2 ne "")
       {
        $x = "$1 {QT$n of=$3 at=$4} $5 {/QT$n}";
       }
       else
       {
         $x = "$1 {QT$n} $5 {/QT$n}";
       }
    }eisx;

 #   print "Iteration $i:\n $_";
}

die "unmatched quotes" if (/{\/?quote}/);
print;

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------




produces


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

{QT8 of=wes at=08:00:10}
   {QT7}
      {QT6}  
        Three quotes
           {QT5 of=steve at=01:15}   yes but   {/QT5}
           {QT4}   no but  {/QT4}
           {QT3 of=xxx at=01:17}   yes  {/QT3}
          get a life, steve
       {/QT6}
   {/QT7}

   {QT2 of=blah at=blah}  blah blah  {/QT2}
   {QT1}  yawn  {/QT1}
{/QT8}  

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



edit: purged spurious last if.

My deepest sympathy to anyone that can make any sense of the above "edit" comment.

Do you have the code that handles hyperlinks handy? They've caused me considerable annoyance of late.
Posted by: UnMark on May 12 2006,16:10

Would it be possible to display links to the last few pages in a long thread on the topic page?  For instance, if the last post I read in the UD thread was on page 93 and want to catch up on my lunch break (without logging in), I have to click the link to page 95, then go backwards.

Thanks!
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,18:17



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Not sure that a full parser is necessary.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



I learned long ago that if one asks, "Does anyone know how to do X?", one is likely to listen to the crickets chirping in response. Say instead, "I don't think X is possible," and you may soon be drowning in code. The slice of humble pie that goes with it is just the price of admission.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,18:45

Here's the code that generates the page links on the forum display page. I'm willing to experiment if someone wants to take a shot at code to also display the links to the final three pages when there are more than seven pages total.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


   my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'};
   my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages;
   $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int);
   $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1;
   if ($Pages > 1) {
       $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ];
       my $i = 0;
       for(0 .. $Pages-1) {
           my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1;
           if ($PageNo == 4) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=] . ($Pages - 1) * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_\
POSTS'} . qq['>..$Pages </a>]; last; }
           $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CGI_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSI\
ON;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>];
           ++$i;
       }
       $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>];
   }


---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Note that for topics with 4 or more pages, it simply terminates with linking to the final page. That's what "last" does in Perl as a command.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,20:18

And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:



---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

       $Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\&quot\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\&quot\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,21:49

Testing...

Quote (wes @ 08:00:10)



---------------------QUOTE-------------------



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

       Three quotes
Quote (steve @ 01:15)
 yes but  
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




---------------------QUOTE-------------------
 no but < NCSE says >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Quote (xxx @ 01:17)
 yes
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


         get a life, steve < and visit TalkOrigins >

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Quote (blah @ blah)
blah blah < or PT >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




---------------------QUOTE-------------------
yawn
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Way to go, Steve_h!


Posted by: Stephen Elliott on May 12 2006,21:56

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 13 2006,01:18)
And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:



---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

       $Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\&quot\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\&quot\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Good grief. Trying to read code makes my eyes bleed.
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,23:47

Wow thanks Wes. I didn't expect you to implement it. I thought you'd say it would be far too slow because it has to loop once for each quote tag. One way to make it faster would be to do this only when text was being input by the user  and turn matched "quote"s to matched IQUOT../IQUOT (or similar) and save that in the DB. Then when viewing you could process the start and end tags separately with simpler regexps (Simple string replacement for end tag) in one pass because you know they already match up. Of course you then have to handle internal tags entered directly by the user. And you'd have to turn IQUOT back to QUOTE for editing. Etc. etc. etc.

Re. the other topic: I'd like to see the page number which contains the first post entered after my last page view (not made in the current session) so that I could go directly to where I left off last time. Alas, I fear that may be impossible  :)
Posted by: jeannot on May 12 2006,23:50

While you're at it, Wesley, could you change some smiley codes? We often add this one  :0 by mistake.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2006,04:49

An O(n) algorithm seems worth it to me. If it had been O(n^2) or something, that would have been cause for concern.

BTW, the form of the comments in the database is just a lightly filtered version of what you enter. All of the iB code stuff remains in its original form. Otherwise, editing would require re-coding and then decoding.

Hmmm, emoticons... :0 or :O . OK, the "wow" emoticon now is a colon followed by a capital "O", not the numeral zero.


Posted by: stevestory on May 13 2006,04:51

test removed
Posted by: Henry J on May 13 2006,17:35

This should work for the page link generation, if Perl follows rules similar to the languages I've used. It lists the page if page# is 1 or within 3 of the number of pages, and excludes any page#'s between those two ranges.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

   my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'};
   my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages;
   $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int);
   $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1;
   if ($Pages > 1) {
       $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ];
       my $i = 0;
       for(0 .. $Pages-1) {
           my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1;
           if ($PageNo == 1) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; }
           else if ($PageNo > $Pages-3)
                             { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; }
           ++$i;
       }
       $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>];
   }

---------------------QUOTE-------------------




Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2006,18:25

Thank you, Henry J. I still had a half hour of work there. I really wanted the two-dot ellipsis. Plus, Perl has a reserved word for "else if" that is not "else if" : elsif. The error message was not very helpful, either.
Posted by: stevestory on May 14 2006,10:26

What Daylight Savings Time kicked in, this board went an hour behind, as displayed on my computer.
Posted by: UnMark on May 14 2006,16:06

Thank you, Henry and Wesley!
Posted by: Henry J on May 15 2006,17:01

I noticed it now gives links to the first three, then an ellipsis (...), then links to the last three (for topics that have 7 or more pages, I guess). If I'd known those were the specs I could'a done it that way to start with. :)

Not to mention if I'd known that Perl spells "else if" as one word (or if I'd simply put braces around the second "if" statement, as in { if (condition) { ... } else { if (condition2) { ... } else { ... } } }, but I didn't think of it at the time. [Don Adams]Sorry about that, chief [/Don Adams] ).

Henry
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 20 2006,08:31

Dr. Elsberry

Is there a possibility that recognised file extensions for images could include .JPG, as that's how my image files are stored on my web host?

(And the spellchecker still wants to call you Dr. Elderberry.)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 20 2006,15:04

Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 20 2006,21:35

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 20 2006,15:04)
Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


.jpg yes but not.JPG (Capitals). I can load pics on to Blogger and elsewhere, but not here.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 21 2006,02:57

Hmmm. Try it now.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,08:23

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57)
Hmmm. Try it now.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,08:27

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57)
Hmmm. Try it now.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Cool!

(I'll reduce any future items)
Posted by: jeannot on May 21 2006,09:09

Nice crow. :p

Where is this from?
Posted by: sir_toejam on May 21 2006,10:05

no...

that ain't no crow, it's a heavily laden african swallow.
Posted by: jeannot on May 21 2006,10:21

I wonder how many coconuts it can carry...
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,21:13

Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,10:21)
I wonder how many coconuts it can carry...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I don't think He(?)'s a swallow, I'm guessing some kind of eagle, perhaps with a feather-loss problem. I was wondering if Wesley thought he might be amenable to training, as he seems quite friendly. (he seems particularly interested in anyone sunbathing.) I thought I might call him Eric.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,21:19

Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,09:09)
Nice crow. :p

Where is this from?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Les Aigles de la Cité, Carcassonne.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 22 2006,04:40

The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a < Griffin Vulture > or close relative.

As for the sunbathers, consider that motionless people without inconvenient wrappings might be of inherent interest to a vulture.

As for training, it might be done, but I sure wouldn't want to be the guy to do it. Other vultures are known for regurgitating stomach contents all over anything they deem a threat. I suspect that you'd have the same problem with a vulture, though, that you do for an osprey... even if you man them and train them to come to you, once they are loose, there is basically nothing that you can provide for them that they want. An osprey nails a fish target 19 times out of 20, and vultures don't exactly have a problem in obtaining "prey" once spotted. For red-tailed hawks going after rabbits, the success rate is more like 1 time in 20 attempts, so a falconer can well improve things by providing a reliable food source.
Posted by: stevestory on May 22 2006,05:44

Wesley Elsberry iiiiissssss....

The Falconer!
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 22 2006,07:22

< Here > is where I got the pic. They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.
Posted by: jeannot on May 22 2006,07:26

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2006,09:40)
The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a < Griffin Vulture > or close relative.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Indeed, it is Gyps fulvus, the only vulture we can find in France.
In French "vautour fauve" (fauve is the color of lions. Does 'deer' refer to a color in English?)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 22 2006,07:55



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Thanks for the info. It sounds like they do better than ospreys as training subjects.
Posted by: Renier on May 25 2006,00:44

I cannot amend any of my posts. I get an error, something like this "You are not permitted to use this board...blah blah... you are logged in as Renier"

???
Posted by: stevestory on May 28 2006,10:07

sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">".
Posted by: Ved on May 28 2006,10:17

I just had that happen. Posting in the thread seems to fix it.  :D Ahh, I love computers. If something doesn't work just bang on it a bit with your fist or a sonic screwdriver...
Posted by: stevestory on May 28 2006,10:29

my 'test' post didn't fix it for me. It was a good 10 minutes more before I could see page 30
Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 28 2006,11:09

Quote (stevestory @ May 28 2006,15:07)
sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing    

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">".
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I'll corroborate this.  Yesterday I had two duplicate posts because of this bug.  It turned out the first post was at the top of the next page and Steve's query here shows me there really was some problem.

Steve after several minutes of closing windows, resetting cookies, and logging in/out, I eventually restarted my computer and that seemed to let me into the next page.  Although by that point other posters had dropped comments and I don't know that it wasn't those that kicked the system into letting me onto the next page rather than my restart.
Posted by: Henry J on May 28 2006,13:05

Too air is human, but two really screw up won needs a computer. :)

Henry

testing edit function
Posted by: ericmurphy on May 28 2006,16:46

Quote (Paul Flocken @ May 28 2006,16:09)
sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing        

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">"
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The problem seems to arise when comments flow onto a new page. I've had the delay be as long as an hour or two, but eventually the new comments do show up.

It seems to be only the "AF Dave's UPDATED Creator God Hypothesis" thread that has this problem. Maybe God has a problem with Dave's hypothesis?
Posted by: stevestory on May 29 2006,09:03

That thread is malfunctioning again. I know there's a new comment on a new page, page 32, but it's not showing me page 32.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 29 2006,09:23

I've mentioned before that iB has a problem when people enter very long comments. That can cause the symptoms being described. I have not seen a fix for it.
Posted by: sir_toejam on May 29 2006,09:52

Wes, this seems to be turning into a valuable thread.

maybe sticky it?
Posted by: Henry J on May 29 2006,11:24

Re "maybe sticky it?"

Where's that duct tape...

Henry
Posted by: stevestory on June 04 2006,12:50

to everybody who's having problems with that updating on AFDave's thread, here's how you get around it. When you go to AtBC, you're at this page:


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=14
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



when you go to an AtBC thread, you get something like


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



that t=1958 part at the end is the thread number. When you click on a page, like page 41, you get this



---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



that st=1200 part means throw away the first 1200 comments, and don't show any comments higher than 1230. If there have been 1202 comments on the thread, and you click on the link and it has st=1200, you get a page with only comments 1201 and 1202 on them. sometimes, whatever updates the page 41 / 1200 numbers doesn't kick in after the next thirty comments, and in this for instance, you'll see, on the AtBC page, a link going to page 40 (st=1170) even though there've now been over thirty comments past comment 1170. So you see only comments 1170-1200, even though you've already seen them. So the solution is this--if you know there are updated comments beyond what it's showing you, go to the last page it will give you. click on the URL in that field of the browser, and manually add thirty to the number. In this case, you'd change

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1170
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


to

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


and then it'll take you to the hidden page.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 05 2006,15:06

nice catch, Steve.

Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far.
Posted by: stevestory on June 05 2006,17:12

Yeah, and it doesn't just have to be Mod 30. You can throw away any number of comments you want. Me, I'm using an old computer, and it's a little slow, so sometimes I'll calibrate based on the reply number, for instance, if there've been 1245 replies, and I think I've only missed the last few, I'll modify the link to "T=1238" replies, and only have to wait for the last 7 replies to load. It's very comprehensible, whereas some content systems aren't.
Posted by: stevestory on June 06 2006,18:38

small correction, just to be an absolute pedant about it--

t=1200 doesn't mean throw away the first 1200 comments. It actually means throw away the first 1199 comments. The first page only shows 29 comments, because it contains the original post. So the 30th reply is the first thing you see on the second page, and so on.
Posted by: jeannot on June 11 2006,08:58

To me, the number of topics displayed in a forum page is too small. Interesting threads get hidden too quickly.
I don't know what you think of it, folks.
Posted by: stevestory on June 11 2006,10:15

Jeannot: Here's a small improvement you can make, though not related to the problem you mentioned. The junk up at the top of the page, like the Why Intelligent Design Fails ad, is clutter, and meant I had to scroll down to see the topics each time I loaded the page. So I got the firefox extention Remove It Permanently, and now that stuff is gone gone gone.

Another thing you can do with Remove It Permanently is get rid of most of those right-side items at Panda's Thumb, so you don't have to scroll down 5 pages to get to the Recent Comments box.

check this out:


isn't that better?
Posted by: jeannot on June 11 2006,10:43

Tanks for the tip, I know this extension, but I use safari most of the time.
Posted by: Crabby Appleton on June 13 2006,19:56

I ran into a problem similar to Alan Fox's, the board recognizes .gif but not .GIF as a valid format.
Posted by: stevestory on June 14 2006,13:15

I recognize .GIT as your valid format. -dt
Posted by: Renier on June 15 2006,04:40

I still cannot edit a post once it is posted. I get a "You are not permitted to use this board. You are logged in as Renier..."

Anyone?
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 15 2006,10:00

make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.

delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)

close and restart your browser.

log yourself back in and see if that works.

if not,

write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 15 2006,11:41

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 15 2006,15:00)
make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.

delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)

close and restart your browser.

log yourself back in and see if that works.

if not,

write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hey dude, I enabled your mom's cookies in her browser just last night.-ds
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 15 2006,11:55

the topic of traffic at this site and Uncommonly Droll have occured periodically, so I thought I would point out a nice site that measures traffic for comparitive purposes, Alexa.com.

< http://www.alexa.com/data....umb.org >
Posted by: Ved on June 16 2006,11:49

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 05 2006,21:06)
nice catch, Steve.

Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Yes, nice detective work!

Also, in case anyone hasn't figured it out, a one click solution is to just hit "add reply" and the missing posts show up, though in reverse order.

Steve, is there any correlation between the length of a thread and this error? It seems like it doesn't happen on short, non-trolly threads. And, if so, maybe the number of posts that cause the error is a clue to what is causing the error in the first place...
Posted by: Chris Hyland on June 21 2006,10:23

At the moment the front page says my last post on the gay marriage thread was at

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
June 21 2006,20:08
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

when it was actually at

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
June 19 2006,14:01
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



When I made that post I also remember the next last post by stevestory was given on the frontpage as being much newer than it was
Posted by: Henry J on June 21 2006,11:35

I'm guessing here, but maybe the date on the topic index gets updated when somebody votes in the poll? So for a poll, the date/time last reply doesn't necessarily apply to the "last post by" id given right under that date.

Henry
Posted by: Chris Hyland on June 21 2006,11:52

Ah yes, hence the title 'Last Action' as opposed to 'Last Post'.

Oops.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 22 2006,07:47

The Uncommonly Dense thread is now doing that same thing that the AFD thread has been doing, i.e., not showing all the messages if it's just clicked over to a new page. This is the first I've noticed any other thread doing that.
Posted by: Henry J on June 22 2006,16:27

Must be the size of the datafile (or files?) containing the thread. Since UD has a way larger post count than AF so far I'm guessing it isn't just (or mainly?) the page count.

UD - 4107 posts in 137 pages over a period of 5+ months since 1-16. (Approx. 26 posts per day.)
AF - 2491 posts in 84 pages over a period of 2- months since 5-1. (Approx. 49 posts per day.)

Wonder if somebody wants to start a continuation thread for each of them, post a link to the continuation thread at the bottom of each old thread, and then close the old thread to new replies?

Henry
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 23 2006,16:15

I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a quote.

example:

I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "[quote]", as this example of the system ignoring the above quote code in the body demonstrates.

take the same thing and put it in a quote:

[quote]I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
", as this example of the system NOT ignoring the above quote code when placed in a quote demonsrates.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



just noticed this as sometimes folks will quote parts of others' posts that have code or "pseudocode" in them already, and it ends up looking rather odd.
Posted by: Henry J on June 30 2006,06:57

On the forum topic index page line:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread (Pages 1 2 3 ..144 145 146 )

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


the 146 is linking to page 146,
the 145 is linking to page 145,
but the 144 is linking to page 145 instead of 144.

The other threads with 7 or more pages show similar symptoms.

Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 01 2006,06:19

Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday.
Posted by: Henry J on July 05 2006,04:03

Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 05 2006,06:36

Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03)
Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It wasn't just you.
Posted by: Stephen Elliott on July 06 2006,14:38

Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03)
Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Same for me. Also this site is very slow atm for me. Anyone else having problems? Reminiscent of dial-up.

EDIT: Things seem to be improving now.
Posted by: Henry J on July 18 2006,06:06

Re "Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday. "

Which holiday? ;)

Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 19 2006,08:15

What probability?
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 20 2006,01:09

whose code?
Posted by: Flint on July 21 2006,15:09

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to bitch, but I am unable to comment to Ed Brayton's blog. I enter my name, my email address, and a comment. I poke the POST button, and it says the comment is rejected because my name and email address are missing (which they are not). The help button says to use the zap cookies link for some reason. I click on that link, and get a page-not-found error. Great.

But I see that some people are able to leave comments. How are they doing this? I'd complain to Ed, but I can't comment on his forum! I'd complain on the offending PT thread, but it doesn't allow comments! Perhaps Ed is worried about critical comments?
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 21 2006,15:15

try to manually locate the cookie for that site in your browser temp files folder.

delete it, and then re-enter the site.

that is the function of a "cookie zapper", so manually doing this might solve your problem if his auto-zapper isn't working.
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 21 2006,16:54

Wes -

could you please at least double the size of the personal mailbox system?

it fills up so fast it's scary at this point.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2006,13:50

The comment authentication situation at ScienceBlogs could be better. They have all those different blogs, and many of them are set to use different forms of authentication. However, the cookie names are the same across the lot, so if you enter a comment at one blog, odds are that you will encounter a problem if you proceed to try to comment at another. As Neal says, the answer is to nuke the site-specific cookies and try again. You will likely have to do that more or less regularly as you switch around between blogs there.

I've fixed the fencepost error on the topic links.

And I've doubled the number of PMs allowed. Have fun.
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 22 2006,14:28

Whee!

I'm like a kid in a candy store.

thanks Wes.
Posted by: steve_h on July 22 2006,16:45

Is there any way to search for all my own comments? - or those of another person?  I seem to recall seeing the posting history of a particular naughty person one time, but maybe that was recreated manually, or maybe I subsequently constructed a false memory, as can happen.
Posted by: Henry J on July 22 2006,17:11

Just wondering, why was the error called a "fencepost error"?

Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2006,19:13

Steve_h: Somewhere, I have a PHP file that queries the Ikonboard database directly. I'll try to figure out where I put that.

Henry_J: If you have a hundred foot of fence, and put a fencepost every ten feet, how many fenceposts do you need? A common error is to say "ten", when you actually need eleven of them. In programming, when an index ends up one-off, that's often called a fencepost error.
Posted by: Flint on July 23 2006,05:50

I've also seen it called "the nefarious OBOB" which stands for 'off by one bug'. Very very common.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 23 2006,06:47

The DNS entry for AE, PT, TD, etc. is changing today. Expect some confusion/loss of access for a bit as the change propagates.
Posted by: Henry J on July 24 2006,05:52

Re "Expect some confusion"
Course, for antievolutionists, that's situation normal... ;)

Looks like PT's reply entry thing is down for now - last reply listed was from 12:07 yesterday. When I tried a reply preview a minute ago it timed out. Is that from the DNS thing?

Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 24 2006,07:30

Drat. Yes, it is from the DNS switchover. One more domain needs tweaking.

Update: The change is in, and I was able to add a test comment over at PT.


Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 27 2006,01:50

I've added the ability to display a single comment on its own, which may be useful for referencing specific comments rather than a comment thread or page. Click on the small "iB" icon just before "Posted:" to go to single comment view for any comment.

The "(Permalink)" URL is the same thing, just a bit more prominent.


Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 09 2006,07:17

I'm having lots of trouble getting PT and AtBC to load these days. For about a week now, it's very unreliable.
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 09 2006,15:16

Re "For about a week now, it's very unreliable.  "

I've noticed that too. Sometimes I'll load the index page, then nothing else will load from there until quite a while later.

Henry
Posted by: Paul Flocken on Aug. 13 2006,13:55

What gives with the edit function telling me I am not allowed to use this board, but I can still post and the system recognizes that I am logged in?
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 17 2006,13:41

just to add to the obvious...

still getting lots of DNS errors for this and PT.

usually, it seems to worsen in the afternoon (PST).

totally off/on situation.  site will be unreachable for 15 minutes or so, then it will be just fine.  cycles on and off at seemingly random intervals.

I'd take a guess and say a switch is misconfigured somewhere, and is causing interrupted traffic to the DNS.

might even be far up the line from wherever the DNS is currently being hosted; I've seen that before too.

of course the only way to tell is if traffic local to where the DNS is located is affected similarly or not.

anybody out there NOT having any problems reaching PT or antievolution.org in the last week or so?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 18 2006,10:44

Yes, I know that there is a problem. I'll be looking into it more closely over the weekend. I'm also looking into having the Foundation buy a speedier server.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 18 2006,10:58

I spent time building both large and small server systems for a living.

let me know if i can be of help.

cheers.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 18 2006,13:30

On the DNS errors: I noticed that if I used a dialup and got an error, I could go to another IP and I could bring up the site.

I was wondering if this might have something to do with the anti-flooding script?
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 18 2006,16:40

One funny (not haha funny) thing that might (or might not) be a clue - frequently in a session I'll get the first attempt to connect to PT or ATBC, then nada for a period of several minutes following that. (Esp. for the first session of the evening from home.)

Henry
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 18 2006,16:45

I've also seen the "old" PT site (the text only version) pop up from time to time recently.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Aug. 19 2006,13:34

I realize that Wesley et al. are volunteers of the best kind, that newer-bigger-better servers cost money, etc., etc.

And I realize that Wesley is hoping to work on the issues.

But, grrr, this does get quite frustrating.  Not knowing whether your comment has posted, not posted, multiply posted, wasting time hitting "preview" and "post" over and over again, getting the "can't find page" page, going back, starting over.

I've written admin with no response and no improvement.  It took me four tries to get THIS page to open.

We've had multiple complaints in the PT threads themselves: me, Flint (I think), Popper's Ghost...

Help!  How are we gonna have any chance of snagging that Science and Tech award again when our own "internal" tech is so kludgy.

There, I've vented.  I feel temporarily better...
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 19 2006,14:21

Is it time to ask us to pay money to support a new server?  Tis done on other boards - after all, someone has to pay for us to have fun
Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 19 2006,15:48

I'd be happy to chip in with an insubstantial donation for a new server. It would be nice if you could indicate how much is needed and how long into the future at current rates the running costs are covered etc. as I wouldn't want to be subsidising a life of luxury.

I also often get the "text only version". I guess that's because an attempt to retrieve the images and  stylesheet, have failed. Have you been under DoS attack, or has your "declining popularity" since Kitzmiller reversed?
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 19 2006,23:20

I can certainly chip in for a server. PayPal or whatever.
Posted by: Louis on Aug. 19 2006,23:31

Id be happy to mail over some pictures of the Queen's head to you guys for giving me so much enjoyment.

Louis

P.S. Yes,let us know what you need and dammit we'll get spending!
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 20 2006,04:41

On another board I used to send a fixed (small but double digit) amount every month directly to the guy who owned the server
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 20 2006,05:28

The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit < this page >.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 20 2006,08:36

Done. Sent 10 months worth.

Remind me again in 10 months please!!
Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 20 2006,13:40

Ditto. Please don't spend it all on beer and prostitutes
unless you really have to.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 22 2006,01:50



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Thank you! You've successfully completed your purchase from TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc.
You've sent a secure payment of $XXXX USD to TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc. through PayPal. The payment will appear on your card statement as "PAYPAL *TALKORIGINS".
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Please spend it all on watery beer and tarts wielding swords in a lake. Or a server.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 22 2006,02:16

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 20 2006,10:28)
The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit < this page >.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


And for those of us in the US of A, I understand it is tax deductible.  I know that, given the salaries of scientists, that is not a biggie, but every little helps.  :D

“The wages of Sin are death:
The wages of scientists are worse”
Posted by: skeptic on Aug. 23 2006,02:57

Wes, have polls been temporarily disabled?  I no longer see the link to start a new one.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 23 2006,12:01

our bad; we had a poll frenzy week before you arrived, and Wes decided enough was enough.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Aug. 23 2006,13:08

Just sent in my donation-for-new-server.  Pretty painless and relieved a scootch or two of my increasing frustration.

Now for a Scotch or two...
Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 26 2006,09:39

Argy asks:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve,

What's the moderation policy around here these days?  Do annoying "Paley, you are, uh, blithering again" posts disappear entirely, or will there be use of the bathroom wall?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



This is a good question. Let's start by looking at Wesley's rules for the board:



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Antievolution.org Discussion Board Rules

   * MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message.
   * MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages.
   * No illegal messages. Posting an illegal message will be considered excessively annoying.
   * No obscenity or foul language. There is no need to express a message in vulgar language.
   * There are many different fora. Be sure to pick the *most appropriate* forum for your message. That could be at a different board.
   * Advertisements should be limited to items of a scientific interest and should not be posted by those with a vested interest in the item being sold, unless specifically requested by another participant.
   * Messages which insult or attack an individual are not appropriate. As those messages should be regarded as inappropriate, it is also inappropriate to follow up such a message with a reply. Use email for such correspondence, or to register a complaint with the moderator(s). Pointing out gaps in fields of reference (otherwise known as "ignorance") is *not* an attack.
   * Messages making claims about the actions, beliefs, or intentions of identifiable participants are an implicit call for discussion. The claimant is responsible for such claims. Failure to retract unsupported claims about other participants is grounds for banishment.
   * Each user is requested to consider the quantity and quality of his/her messages. One specific item to be aware of is that repetition of the same quoted material at a frequency greater than once per month is considered annoying.
   * Science makes no claim to be a source for all truth, i.e. events and activities which are unobservable and/or untestable are outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Religious beliefs that are outside the limits of science may be true or not; science is silent on the issue.
   * *Supporting* or *attacking* religious belief is inappropriate on this discussion board. A variety of other fora are more appropriate for such discourse.
   * Moderation messages not entered by the moderator are NOT appropriate on the board. Responses to moderation messages will be made via email, not on the board. Violators may be deemed "excessively annoying" at the moderators' discretion.
   * :Annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion. Repeatedly being annoying will be considered excessively annoying.
   * :Excessively annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion to such a degree that immediate termination of access is warranted or demanded.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Glancing through those quickly, I think I've violated 90% of those rules myself. Argy even violated one of them by publicly asking me about them. So we can safely say that these rules will be generally followed, but not all that strictly. You can violate the rules somewhat. and as long as there's some meat to what you're saying, I won't object. Although Wesley still might--my moderation powers augment his, they do not replace his.

What I'm most concerned about, is threads staying on topic. I don't care if the topic is a lovefest or a shouting match, as long as there's substantive discussion. We all hang out here and make snarky jokes and such, and those don't threaten threads.  Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work. That said, there have been a few comments I have just outright deleted. They're the type of throwaway comments that make you roll your eyes. You know the type. "Hey you creationist, suck my balls".

Enforcement of these rules is kind of like enforcement of speeding--spotty at best. For the same reasons. And if you want a rough estimate of how mean I am, there have probably been 500 comments since my moderation began, and I've deleted about 8.

My moderation is going to be imperfect, but I don't think it's going to hurt anybody. And it'll help me if everyone sends private messages to voice their opinions about the matter.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 27 2006,07:23

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 26 2006,14:39)
 Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


On some boards (vBull) the Mods have a "split thread" option for exactly these circumstanves.
Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 27 2006,09:21

Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 27 2006,10:41

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 27 2006,14:21)
Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


But that would be a service to the whole community  :D
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 29 2006,04:43

Hello.  Wee call for help actually.  :(

Attempting to activate my registration on ATBC, unfortunately my computer skills are about as good as my driving skills (sorry).  So I hope I'm posting this at the right place.   ???

I keep getting this error message:


"An error occured, not all of the required fields were sent from the validation link. Please ensure that they whole link was entered, it's possible that your email clients auto-wrapper cut the link in half. Please try again.

You are NOT logged in"


I've tried pressing the links provided in the email and also copying & pasting them into my browser.  Even when already logged in, going into these particular links, they dont seem to recognise me being logged in and I get the same error message.  I don't seem to have a problem logging in otherwise or with posting comments on a thread, but of course, I won't be able to after 30 days if I can't activate this darn thing.  Could anyone help?  Thanks.

Sincerely,

Darth Robo
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 29 2006,10:00

I don't see a problem in "Darth Robo" member record. Not sure what the error message thing was about.
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 29 2006,12:20

Well I only registered with this forum the other day and have since tried to confirm the membership as I was asked to in the initial email and kept getting that error message.  But if everything looks cool, then I guess that's cool.  Thank you for checking up on me.   :)
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 30 2006,22:45



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
"Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



uh, is that from a certain special droid we all know and love from KOTOR?

ahh, yes, now that i take a closer look at your avatar, I see it is.

I suspect I saw you on one of the Kotor forums at one point or another?
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 31 2006,14:04

Nope, 'fraid not.  I'm not much of a computer expert.  Actually, Pandas was my first foray into internet forums (lurked for nearly a year before posting).  

I do think this droid deserves to be in a movie, though.   :)
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 31 2006,17:43

I do believe the actor that did the voice for HK47 has in fact been in several movies, though I'd have to look up which ones.

yes, that character would be a good one for a flick.
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 01 2006,04:18

Just a note: everyone might want to doublecheck their spam filters. I just learned that Gmail considered basically anything from Iconboard to be spam.
Posted by: Alan Fox on Sep. 07 2006,20:51

Steve,

Now you have your new role as moderator, with that additional responsibility, I wonder had you considered reviewing your listed interests in your profile?
Posted by: Ved on Sep. 08 2006,06:49

What happened to the "Plan B" thread? I don't see it anymore...
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 08 2006,07:03

I was kind of reluctant to begin with. It was intended to spur discussion about some thorny bioethics questions. It really didn't belong here anyway, despite the bio prefix. But then GoP showed up and started repeating the usual talking points, and when it was clear that if the thread continued, it would become the GoP Debates a Political Issue Thread #28, I deleted it.
Posted by: snoeman on Sep. 13 2006,18:48

A request:

One of the features I like about PT is that the browser automatically scrolls down to the newer comments.

I'm assuming AtBC uses different software, so the same feature might not be easily added here, but it would be a "nice to have," should the idea strike Dr. Elsberry favorably when he has literally nothing else to do.

Thanks.
Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 21 2006,09:41

I wonder something. -

Since a link like [...];act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=6000
shows replies 6001 through 6030,

and a link like [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958
shows all replies,

could we have [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958;st=6000
to show all replies from 6001 to the end of the thread?

If the act=SA and st=6000 parameters could be used together, then the link on the highest page number on a multipage thread could use that, and show the rest of the thread even if the last page number given on the index page is out of date.

Henry
Posted by: Ved on Sep. 27 2006,10:22

Steve, thanks for splitting afdave's broken thread. Can I make one suggestion? What I've seen done elsewhere is to put a link to the original thread right at the very top of the new one. I know Davey's been concerned about the original "Best Thread Ever" slipping off the top page, and he's said he's going to be reposting links to it throughout the new one. Maybe we can save him the trouble so he can have more time to consider backing up his hyper-thesis.

Also, I know that the UD thread isn't broken, but could it's size be contributing to sever performance issues? When I hung out at reefcentral I remember seeing some huge threads getting split up before, and the reason given was that the large size was taxing the server.
Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 27 2006,10:29

The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).

Henry
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 29 2006,07:44

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2006,16:29)
The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The bathroom wall is very broken in this way, and the UD thread is slightly broken. I'll think about it.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 01 2006,08:39

I think I have a workaround for threads busted by the post count bug. If I manually update the thread_posts field in forum_topics, that should allow people to browse normally, until such time as whatever causes the counts to diverge from the actual strikes again. I'm thinking that an error that occurs after the post is inserted into forum_posts but before the thread_posts field can be updated is the likely culprit.

I've manually updated the BW and UD topics thus far.
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 01 2006,09:22

thanks
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Oct. 01 2006,12:51

Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 03 2006,08:41

Is there any way to have a series of quick links to all of a users posts appear in the "Antievolution.org Discussion Board > iB::Viewing member profile" section?

I bet there is. Might be able to turn it on and off from control panel or something. There are times when it would be very useful. When having multiple conversations on one thread for example. (AFDave)
Posted by: Mike PSS on Oct. 05 2006,04:23

That winking smilie is annoying.
It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:

;)
OR
';)

I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Oct. 05 2006,08:10



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Oct. 05 2006,19:08

Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 05 2006,13:10)
   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Pron spam? Sounds like some kind of seafood thing they'd eat in Hawaii... :O

Either way, your secret is safe with me.
Posted by: ericmurphy on Oct. 06 2006,08:21

Quote (Mike PSS @ Oct. 05 2006,09:23)
That winking smilie is annoying.
It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:

;)
OR
')

I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Before you post your message, uncheck the box below the text entry field that says "Do you wish to enable emoticons for this post?

Annoyingly, you have to do it every single time you preview your message, and before you post it, because it keeps defaulting to "checked."

I just disabled it for this post, and as you'll note, your smilies are gone.
Posted by: Russell on Oct. 07 2006,12:26

This question has probably been asked and answered before...

But what's with the extremely frequent "page currently not available" errors for this site? And for Panda's Thumb? It seems that whenever the one is unavailable, the other one is also unavailable. I'm pretty sure the frequency of those unavailabilities is a lot higher than any other site I ever visit.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2006,00:24

Yes, downtime is a problem that we know about. We've been working on it, but there doesn't seem to be a simple fix for an intermittent problem.
Posted by: Russell on Oct. 08 2006,03:14

Do we know what the source of the problem is? Is it a software issue, or a hardware issue (an overburdened server, for instance)?
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 09 2006,08:47

I notice that the Britney thread seems to have disappeared - maybe it didn't have enough CSI or something? :p
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 10 2006,10:43

I found the Britney thread excessively annoying.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 10 2006,12:11

To say the least, yeah.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 23 2006,08:25

Now what's wrong with Degas?

Monday morning, 10/23, there appear to have been no new posts on PT since Friday evening.  Refreshing does zippo, whether on a given thread or on the main site.  Posting--er, attempting to post, er, make that, even attempting to preview--a comment results in "409 Forbidden."

Wha?!?

This really does get old.  If money is needed, one of the member-posters needs to go on the main site, start a post, and ask for the money.  What is so hard about getting a bigger server, better interface software, whatever.

Were we so bowled over with getting the SciAm award last year that we're determined to retreat into obscurity?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 23 2006,10:25

Clear your browser cache.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 23 2006,16:08

Thanks, Wesley.  Not only was that easy to do, but it worked!  I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here (even one that I partially moderate).  But I'm far from an expert, so I'll reserve judgment on why PT and my one-and-only cache-overload "appear" to be correlated.

Thanks for the prompt response and the effective assistance..
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 23 2006,16:30

Steviepinhead,
Re "I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here"

Do any of those have forums that approach the level of traffic that this one gets? (Esp. with that several hundred page thread that started less than a year ago... )

I figure a website that isn't a forum of some sort would be unlikely to present that type of problem, since its pages wouldn't generally change that much on a daily basis.

Henry
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 24 2006,08:43

Henry: possibly not and, again, I don't have the tech knowledge to defend any claim that PT's infrastructure isn't performing comparably to a "comparable" site or forum.

But problems continue to occur with accessing the site, slow loading of the site, accessing the comments, slow loading of the comments, previewing and posting the comments, unintentional duplication of comments, accessing AtBC, etc., that I either NEVER have anywhere else or have very rarely.

I realize that we are in some sort of a server changeover, so I'm not going to jump up and down any further until that's been given a fair chance to shake out.

But, ultimately, if problems continue to occur, it would seem that at least one of several hypotheses becomes increasingly reasonable: we simply need more horsepower--let's make a concerted effort to fund and purchase it; we need better interface software (degas: ugh!)--let's investigate the options and obtain something that does a better job.  Etc.

I'm fully aware that when I say "we," I actually mean hard-working souls like Wesley and Reed, who have a lot on their own plates...so I'm being patient.

Being patient.

Being patient...
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 24 2006,15:17

Something remains screwy.  The site continues to "freeze" at various points in time, particularly refusing to update to show more recent comments.

One sincerely hopes that "Clear cache" hasn't been substituted for "Refresh."
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 25 2006,09:17

Same thing again today, 10/25: opened PT and was still looking at "Recent Comments" which has frozen with one of Lenny's on the Poynter Institute from early yesterday.  "Refresh" did nothing.  Cleared the cache again (sigh) and got to see the new posts (Obama, Miller, etc.) and new comments.

This ain't right, folks.  I'm using XP and IE, hardly the best but certainly the most whitebread operating system and browser out there.  They're giving me zero trouble with any other site.

What is up, really?
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 25 2006,17:11

(The moderator returns home after being in town half the day. Pulls up AtBC...Let's see...About 6 active threads...Lookin good...Maybe a halloween idea... ~40 or so new comments explaining why AFDave's new claims are wrong 27 different ways... Everything's normal...Several more comments on that worthless ghetto thread of Paley's... Revisiting the reasons pro/con for taking action about that mess...checking out the UD thread...chuckle chuckle...)
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 26 2006,07:07

SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.

Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 26 2006,09:37

Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.
Posted by: ScaryFacts on Oct. 26 2006,09:46

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,15:37)
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Go to Google and type in:

postername site:antievolution.org

it will give you all of the pages where the poster posts or is mentioned.  It's not perfect, but at least it's something.
Posted by: hereoisreal on Oct. 29 2006,16:13

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,14:37)
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Steve, this site has that feature if you sign in.

You can find every post of mine with one click.

< http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=161 >

zero
Posted by: Ichthyic on Oct. 29 2006,21:01

Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,12:07)
SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.

Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


uh, why can't you click on the search button at the top of the page, then use the search by field to select "user name"?  then simply type the name of the user in the keywords field, and select the range of dates you want to search in, and the forum.

works for me.
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 30 2006,18:38

I am not getting individual posts. I am getting the whole thread.  ???
Posted by: Ichthyic on Oct. 30 2006,20:55

ah yes, the posts selector doesn't work like it's supposed to.

sorry.

I usually am just looking for the threads themselves, so hadn't bothered to notice before.

oh well.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 31 2006,05:53

What about (after identifying which thread), downloading the whole thread using the "All" link (as text file if you don't want to mess with the html code), load that into a word processor or text editor, then use the search function in that?

Henry
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 31 2006,10:11



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Server Issues

Reed A. Cartwright posted Entry 2679 on October 31, 2006 03:33 PM.
Trackback URL:

When we switched to our new server software, it appears to have screwed up how some browser’s manage their cache. This means that some browsers are stuck on an out dated front page.

To fix this issue, you need to clean out your cache (or temporary internet files).

I also recommend that you upgrade to a modern browser like Firefox if possible.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Iow, each time we see one of these discrepencies, clear the disk cache right then, and then reload the page(s)?

Henry
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 31 2006,10:48

Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Oct. 31 2006,10:53

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48)
I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


100% success on page loading so far today.

But the computer's version of 25 seconds between posts differes from that of my watch  :(

I think the problems might be restricted to those who have not donated enough money  :D
Posted by: ericmurphy on Oct. 31 2006,14:01

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48)
Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It seems like it's an all-or-nothing proposition. Either pages come up pretty quickly, or the connection times out.

Today's been one of the worst in the recent past in terms of time-outs.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 01 2006,05:44

On the T.O. website, the page < http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/2006.html >
needs updating with links to the  August and September feedback pages.
Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 02 2006,18:56

BTW, you guys are developing a reputation. Occasionally in my blogosphere travels I encounter a creationist who I think will provide lots of entertainment for us. Sometimes I contact them and let them know that a good fiesty discussion can be had by starting a thread here which focuses on their ideas.

The last two times I've done this, upon mention of AtBC, the response has been, "Yeah, uh, thanks but no thanks." They react like I'm asking if I can throw them bodily into a Troy-Bilt chipper shredder.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Nov. 02 2006,19:10

"The Chipper Shredder"

oooh, i think i just found the name for a new blog.

...and it appears it's not taken!

muhahahaha.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 08 2006,16:01

I was about to ask how come some of the threads on PT are coming up as blank pages, but decided to clear cache first. All the threads opened after that. Coincidence, or not? :p

Henry
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 09 2006,17:01

This morning, 11/9/06, the main PT site wouldn't open at all.  

This afternoon, in a miracle that almost equals that of the recent election, the site seems to be working fine.  Not only does it open, but the comments open, new comments post without problems, and everything refreshes in real-time, without need for cache-clearing.

Now, if only that kind of performance could be sustained.

But I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Nov. 10 2006,12:40

steve:  what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.

Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.

Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 10 2006,13:38

Re "And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? [...] "

Not to mention the, uh, "advertisement fliers" cluttering up the "Intelligent Design News" forum... ;)
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 10 2006,16:06

I sent in $50 too!

Which is why I feel entitled to whine...!

Sorry about all the pizza boxes though.  I do bus mine, when I'm not too drunk to forget.

(Hmmm.  There's a good country song in this thread somewhere:
"The servers never pick up the pizza cartons...
The stupid servers don't seem to do much at all!
Guess I'll just chug down another coupla bottles,
Then kick old a-f-dave on down the hall!"
)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 15 2006,20:43

The new server box is being assembled. Components include an Intel Core2Duo 2.4 GHz CPU, 4 GB of PC6400 DDR2 800MHz RAM, and two 250 GB SATA drives. Reed and I are planning the changeover for this weekend.
Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 15 2006,22:03

Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 10 2006,13:40)
steve:  what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.

Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.

Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Steve: wakes up dead, on his horse: C&^%suckers!

No, sorry, DVD's of Deadwood notwithstanding, the servers here are maintained by Wesley Elsberry and Reed Cartwright. They are doing their level best, despite the huge problems connecting with this site. Some kinda problem laid in about July and ain't resolved itself since then. I trust in those which maintain the servers, despite my gripes.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 16 2006,16:10

Thanks, guys!  All efforts to better the situation are appreciated.

Hope the transition this weekend goes as smoothly as such things ever do, heh heh, and I'll keep my fingers crossed that things actually improve.

Dang!  Almost forgot to take that pizza box with me.  Again...
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 16 2006,16:51

Looks like the PT thread < chapter 3 > has been targetted by pest(s).
Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 19 2006,08:07

Wow, is the new server up and running now? ... because this place (and PT, too) is F'ing ROCKIN'.

It hasn't even thought about balking this morning.

('Course it's Sunday morning, but still it's quick, slick, and something else that should rhyme with quick, but I can't think of nuthin.)

Anyways, I know y'all probably always hear the bad stuff, I thought you should hear an "Attaboy".
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 20 2006,00:32

The planned complete switchover, unfortunately, had to be postponed. The gear I got didn't play nice with FreeBSD, so I had to return it.

I did, however, get 2 GB of the fastest memory that would work in the current system and put that in. That happened later in the day, though.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 20 2006,01:00

You should set a paypal for donations. I'm good for it. Just don't splurge it on copies of "Of pandas and people".
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 20 2006,01:07

< Donate via PayPal to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation >

This link is found on the TOA front page (text: "Make a Donation") and on the PT front page (in the "Information" box on the right sidebar, text: "    * Support PT: Donate to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation").

Is there something that should be done to make those more visible?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 20 2006,01:22

Just sent a little something.

Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch?
Posted by: deadman_932 on Nov. 20 2006,14:19

The new memory seems to have done the trick for the most part, El Jefe Elsberry. Cheers!
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 20 2006,14:29

Things were working slick for a while on the PT site.

But now we're back to "Can't be found."  Sigh.  Still seems better overall, time-averaged, than a week ago...
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Nov. 21 2006,13:32

As of yesterday afternoon, it was no better. I had at least 4 times where ATBC wouldn't load, once where it wouldn't load for more than 5 minutes. I don't see that the new memory did much.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 21 2006,14:24

Well, the new memory is apparently just a band-aid.  Both PT and AtBC remain hard to access, but at least once you get on them, commenting isn't nearly the pain it was getting to be (not saying it's smooth as silk, either, but comments can generally be previewed and posted...).

Once you can get the site to load in the first place, which seems to be running about 60%.

On a good day.
Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 22 2006,22:26

Yeah, I guess I had on my Sunday Morning Rose Colored Glasses.

I'll be chippin' in.  It's still choking, but not nearly as much as before.  That's somethin'.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Nov. 26 2006,16:17

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)
Just sent a little something.

Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


What I do is keep bringing up the subject  :D
Posted by: Russell on Nov. 27 2006,07:43

A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out:

(1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?

(3) What does the _@ Code button do?

(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?

(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?

(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?

-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast.
Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,18:42

Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)
A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out:
Method 1.
(1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:            

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


1a. Use the "quote" button, shown at the top-right of every comment, to quote an entire post.
1b. Enter some text in the first window, cut bits from the quote which you don't want  in the second window.
1c. Preview - you see a preview of your post. The first window is now modified to include the quoted text in quote tags. You can now proceed exactly as if you'd entered the quote using method 2. Normally I preview again at this point.
Method 2.
2. and/or enter quoted text between


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
[quote=x,y] blah blah blah[/quote]
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


where x is normally the poster name, and y the date. You can write anything in place of x and y but they must be seperated by a comma.  (see page one of this thread for some convoluted examples).
     
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It does the same as the "permalink" link. It gives you a way to provide a link to an individual comment which you can, for example, post to interested others. To use it, click on the icon, and then copy the link from the address bar of your browser. That was completely wrong. It lets you write code segments which are pretty much taken exactly as you type them. The first time you press it, a code tag is added at the end of the input box. You then enter your code sample and then press the code button a second time to generate a closing tag.  For example, I use a code segments below to show how to use EMAIL tags.   
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)

(3) What does the _@ Code button do?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It asks you for an email address. The email address will be displayed an an email link by dressing it up with bb stuff which eventually gets replaced by html stuff. The stuff gets written at the end of the input area, not at the current cursor position so you may have to cut and paste. Alternatively click not the button but enter

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
[email]email@xxx.com[/email]
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

instead.      
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?

(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?

(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I don't know if 4 & 5 are possible. Answers to 1,2, and 3 have so far proved dissapointing in regards to improving wealth and influence
   
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



edit: the bit about CODE was completely wrong.
Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,18:52

Using guesswork and preview


---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

[*] point 1
[*] point 2

---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------


  • point 1
  • point 2

    I couldn't get level 2 items using

    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
    [**]
    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



    Wesley, what software are you using? Is there a  version freely available for inspection somewhere?
    Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,19:00

    I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.

    (edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 30 2006,22:43

    IkonBoard 3.02a is the version of the software running. It was freely available, though I don't know where you would find a zip or tar file of it now.

    No, at least I don't use any special HTML for my own posts. I don't think that anyone else here is able to do so, either. The iB code stuff is very much similar to UBB code, which many people have experience with.
    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 30 2006,23:07

    Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 27 2006,20:00)
    I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.

    (edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Actually, I enter my posts using Assembly Code. That gives me Total Control, NOOB!

    (not really)
    Posted by: steve_h on Dec. 01 2006,13:03

    I found a ib301.zip by guessing at filenames:
    A list
    • one
    • two
      • 2a
      • 2b

    red otherBig
    non-proportional font
    MMMMMMMMMM.  Thanks for the correction, Scary



    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
    A list[list][*] one [*] two [list] [*]2a [*] 2b [/list][/list]
    [color=red]red[/color] [color=#00FFCC]other[/color][size=12]Big[/size]
    [font=courier]non-proportional font
    MMMMMMMMMM.  Thanks for the correction, Scary.[/font]
    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



    Comic sans
    Edit: corrected font name as per the following post.
    Posted by: ScaryFacts on Dec. 01 2006,18:15

    Very helpful post--one minor correction on non-proportional fonts...

    I think you had a typo in the font name--courier.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 05 2006,08:31

    My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days?
    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 05 2006,13:33

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 05 2006,09:31)
    My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    not much worse than normal. One or two hours where it was totally unreachable.
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Dec. 12 2006,11:24

    The AE server is still very slow to respond. I am currently being rationed on my blogging by my wife and an egg-timer. It is very frustrating to watch the minutes tick by waiting for a page to update.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 20 2006,02:10

    We switched to a new connection a couple of hours ago. We should have more bandwidth to play with.

    I also have an order in on a server box. It may take a while to get it, install software, and ship it. I'll keep you posted.
    Posted by: ericmurphy on Dec. 20 2006,10:52

    Once I flushed my DNS cache, things seem to work pretty well. Pages definitely seem to load faster, and (fingers crossed) I haven't had a page timeout yet.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 20 2006,11:59

    For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?

    Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today.
    Posted by: ericmurphy on Dec. 20 2006,12:19

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 20 2006,11:59)
    For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?

    Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Interesting; this site has gone from being one of the slowest-loading to one of the fastest overnight. Thanks Wes! And whoever your new ISP is.

    If you're using OS X, I'm thinking the problem with your laptop is you need to refresh your DNS cash. If you're logged in as an administrator, type

    sudo lookupd -flushcache

    then enter your admin password when prompted. If you're not logged in as an admin, su to an admin account, then type in the above command.

    If you're using Windows, the command is ipconfig /flushdns



    That will flush the DNS cache and you should be able to connect.
    Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 21 2006,09:53

    It has been very clunky for a couple of days, but today it is fast.  New server of a lot of people giving up for a while?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 21 2006,12:07

    The switch to our new internet connection happened early on the 20th. The switch from Apache to Lighttpd took place last night.

    I don't know about whether people stopped using the box coincidentally, but I do know that total bandwidth use has increased.

    Average upstream for the server right now is about 520kbps. This is significantly more than our total maximum upstream was on the old connection.


    Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 21 2006,12:52

    Do we have a whoopee, jumping up and down smilie?

    :D

    Great news.  I am a happy camper
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Dec. 21 2006,14:01

    Great stuff Dr Elsberry, myself, my wife and the egg timer thank you.
    Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 22 2006,10:31

    It really has been a delight this couple of days.

    Thankee muchly.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 27 2006,00:43

    Howdy Wes,

    How goes the TO battle?  I wonder when the feedback might come back online?  I should enjoy the respite, but I pathologically miss it.

    Gary
    Posted by: Richard Simons on Jan. 01 2007,20:43

    I added this at the end of a post on Afdave's thread before I realized I should have come here.

    I've been having problems logging in. When I come to the main page, it frequently says I'm logged in, but when I go to, say, ATBC it tells me I am not logged in and I am not allowed to make replies. I've tried logging in, it goes through the procedure and welcomes me, showing my name amongst the list of people logged in, but apparently logs me out when I try to do anything. The problem happens with Netscape and Firefox and I've tried various things like rebooting the computer with no effect. Any suggestions for what is going wrong?
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 11 2007,13:42

    Post batching?

    I see threads have new posts from teh contoll screens but when I click on the posts they're not yet there.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 15 2007,11:22

    It's still happening.. I know there's new stuff, I just can't see it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 15 2007,13:51

    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 15 2007,13:59

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51)
    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 15 2007,14:30

    Yeah, reeeeeally long threads seem to do that. That's the reason the earlier afdave thread got closed and a new one started.

    Henry
    Posted by: argystokes on Jan. 17 2007,19:44

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 15 2007,11:59)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51)
    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Interesting. I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 18 2007,13:30

    Re "I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment. "

    I've seen that a few times, too.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 23 2007,11:09

    What happened with the "recent comment" box on the main PT page? Did somebody get tired of it being swamped by the "nothing's word doing" spam pests?

    Henry
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 23 2007,13:52

    Update: the "recent comment" box on PT is working now.
    Posted by: Louis on Jan. 24 2007,03:56

    Hi Wesley,

    This isn't exactly board mechanics, but your ATBC message box is full (either by design or evolution ;) ). I've been trying to PM you for a couple of days, any hope of a wee gap to slot a message into please?

    Louis
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 24 2007,11:02

    Yes, but does RM + NS fully account for the complexity of, uh, on second thought, never mind.
    Posted by: Louis on Jan. 24 2007,11:26

    HenryJ,

    Funny!

    Louis
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 25 2007,09:48

    On the T.O. page "What's New",
    the link to " October 2006 Post of the Month: Skepticism of Piltdown Man." doesn't work.

    It says "The requested URL /origins/postmonth/oct06.html was not found on this server."

    (Also the link was never added to the page "Posts of the Month for 2006")

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 25 2007,11:29

    I've changed the default behavior for emoticons. You can check the box if you want them, but the box is unchecked by default.

    The TOA pages were restored from a mid-November backup that apparently refers to a POTM that wasn't actually in that backup. We'll be fixing that by and by.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 25 2007,14:48

    Wonder if that Sten31846 guy and his/her/its/their relatives could be banned from PT, or do he/she/it/they change IP addresses too often to make that practical?
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 30 2007,17:01

    That Sten#### guy is at it again on several older PT threads.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on Jan. 30 2007,21:36

    henry-

    those messages are just place markers; tests to see if the spambot can make it through ok.

    sites are then marked in their database as acceptable targets for spam.

    fortunately, it seems that the filtering software on PT is at least sufficient to prevent the followup spam messages from posting.
    Posted by: stevestory on Feb. 01 2007,15:30

    < Renewed Moderation Efforts >
    Posted by: Fractatious on Feb. 02 2007,03:15

    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 01 2007,17:30)
    < Renewed Moderation Efforts >

    Beginning now, everyone here treats everone else here with respect or they get Bathroom Walled or just deleted. A little snark will be allowed. We're a snarky lot, so things like "check out this new blog by Casey Luskin, what a dork" will be permitted, but that's about it. If you have to be mean or rude, put it on the Bathroom Wall. The Bathroom Wall is the place to scrawl all your obscenities and dirty limericks, and it won't be moderated like the rest of the board.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ah bu.. but  ;) obscenities are allowed, right?!?  ???  Oh phooey! *scampers off to the Bathroom*
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Feb. 02 2007,03:58

    Steve

    Have you checked your inbox, lately?
    Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,16:18

    Has anyone else had trouble with the "http://" button when posting messages?  When I click on it, I get the following error:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Error!
    You must enter a URL
    You must enter a title
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Anyone else getting this?  Anyone have any ideas what to do to fix it?  Thanks all.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:23

    look to see if you get a little yellow bar towards the top of the page (in your browser) when you click on the link or image button.

    In mine it says:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    This website is using a scripted window to ask you for information...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    click on that bar, and then the option to allow scripted windows.  

    You can also change the default setting in your browser; instructions vary on the type of browser, of course, though I would recommend just leaving it where it is and utilizing the "allow temporary scripted windows" bar.
    Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,18:30

    Yeah, that did the trick.

    That's weird.  I had no problem with it until just recently.  I'll have to figure out what changed on my browser.  Anyway, thanks fishy.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:43

    likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one.
    Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,18:45

    Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:43)
    likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Hmmm, I'll bet that's it.

    Darn you to heck Microsoft!!!!!1111!!!!111234!!!!!
    Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:58

    well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".

    let's see....

    you will have to change the scripted window settings under

    tools(on main menu bar)->interenet options(bottom of list that pops up)->security(second tab from left on top)->custom level (in the box that says: security level for this zone)

    set the following to "enabled":

    Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows

    (it's towards the bottom of the list; scroll down all the way and then back up a few lines)

    done.
    Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,19:07

    Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:58)
    well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".

    let's see....

    you will have to change the scripted window settings under

    tools->interenet options->security->custom level

    set the following to "enabled":

    Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows

    done.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Done.

    Thank you once again.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,19:09

    np.

    be careful if you frequently browse new sites, though, as you could get a scripted window running in the background without your knowledge.

    If you trust the site, it's not an issue.
    Posted by: Freelurker on Mar. 05 2007,20:24

    Whenever the word "new" appears in a comment it has the color red.
    Started happening a day or so ago.

    Test: new (without quotes)

    EDIT: Well, I guess it's not every time ... I'll try to pin down the circumstances.

    EDIT2: Among other places it happens here:
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board > All About Antievolution > Intelligent Design > Scientific Status of Intelligent Design
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Mar. 11 2007,09:47

    Is there a reason why PT arguments (http://antievolution.org/features/mtexp.php?form_author={author name}) links no longer connect with the actual comment, but just take you to the current PT homepage?
    Posted by: Henry J on April 29 2007,18:14

    Glad the server is back up today! :)

    Henry
    Posted by: stevestory on May 01 2007,19:32

    A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:

    "I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight."
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 01 2007,19:40

    Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,19:32)
    A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not me.

    I simply ignore you.     -F-  authority.

    (big fat evil grin)
    Posted by: stevestory on May 01 2007,19:47

    That's alright. I pity you. I had the good sense to get the #### out of Florida.

    :p
    Posted by: Alan Fox on May 02 2007,05:26

    Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32)
    A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:

    "I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight."
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I think you do a thankless job well.

    I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.

    I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman < here. >

    *dons helmet, ducks under parapet*
    Posted by: argystokes on May 03 2007,16:51

    I am unable to make any links or post pictures because h t t p (no spaces, of course), gets changed to 'e' whenever I hit post (or preview).

    For example, I am right now typing the address for Panda's Thumb:

    <a href="e://www.pandasthumb.org" target="_blank">e://www.pandasthumb.org</a>
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on May 03 2007,18:41

    Quote (Alan Fox @ May 02 2007,05:26)
     
    Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32)
    A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:

    "I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight."
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I think you do a thankless job well.

    I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.

    I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman <a href="http://alanfox.blogspot.com/2007/03/for-david-springer-to-get-down-in-mud.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

    *dons helmet, ducks under parapet*
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Larry is not being honest with you about how he got banned from Brayton's blog. See < here > and < here >.

    Larry is about two steps away from being one of those people who stands on traffic islands yelling about the mind-control device the CIA planted in his brain. That's why he's banned everywhere.
    Posted by: Steviepinhead on May 03 2007,19:08

    I wouldn't have a big problem with allowing Larry F a single "ghetto" thread here like GoP and zeroheroisreal (or whatever his number is) have.

    People could then choose to interact with him or not.

    Allowing LF back at PT would be pointless.  (Indeed, I'm surprised that "realpc" has been tolerated this long.  It's probably just the dearth of any other amusingly knuckleheaded crea-YEC-IDiots...)

    Not that my opinion's likely to count for much one way or t'other.
    Posted by: GCT on May 03 2007,19:45

    Hey Louis, clean out your inbox so I can PM you.
    Posted by: Louis on May 03 2007,19:51

    GCT,

    Done

    Louis
    Posted by: GCT on May 03 2007,19:52

    Quote (Louis @ May 03 2007,20:51)
    GCT,

    Done

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks, and sent.
    Posted by: stevestory on May 03 2007,20:51

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2007,19:41)
    Quote (Alan Fox @ May 02 2007,05:26)
     
    Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32)
    A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:

    "I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight."
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I think you do a thankless job well.

    I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.

    I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman <a href="e://alanfox.blogspot.com/2007/03/for-david-springer-to-get-down-in-mud.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

    *dons helmet, ducks under parapet*
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Larry is not being honest with you about how he got banned from Brayton's blog. See <a href="e://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/wont_the_real_dave_fafarman_pl.php#more" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="e://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/the_real_dave_fafarman_reveale.php" target="_blank">here.</a>

    Larry is about two steps away from being one of those people who stands on traffic islands yelling about the mind-control device the CIA planted in his brain. That's why he's banned everywhere.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    There were several street preachers when I was at NCSU. Now that I'm around UNC, there are also street preachers. Some the same (Gary, who's kind of famous), and some are different. But the nuttiest guy I saw, was preaching to a Jeep. A parked Jeep. No people in it. A Jeep, parked on the side of the road. The guy was preaching to it. Aggressively.
    Posted by: Henry J on May 04 2007,16:07

    Maybe it was in a no parking zone? :p
    Posted by: stevestory on May 10 2007,14:38

    As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora.
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 10 2007,17:41

    I'm quite sure I speak for everyone here when I say:


    Good riddance.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on May 10 2007,18:57



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    woo hoo!

    I'd like to thank all those that put relentless pressure on the idiot after he "revealed" his loki trolldom.

    Louis, this means you, especially.

    virtual beers all around!
    Posted by: Louis on May 11 2007,02:40



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Steve,

    Well I'm not going to lie and say I am unhappy about this, but I AM disappointed (see previous comments on my optimism). I'm always disappointed when an unreconstructed, unrepentant troll is not converted to useful participation. However, that said since GoP was clearly and self admittedly ONLY here to troll and annoy, his removal is a good thing I support wholeheartedly....perhaps that's an understatement.

    I would question two things and make one suggestion:

    1) Given his proclivities was it ever possible for him to have any form of productive discussion here? I would strongly argue (with plenty of evidence) that it wasn't and has been obviously the case for many many months.

    2) He's moving on to other fora? The mind reels, these future fora have my sympathy. I wonder if he will be a productive contributor there, he wasn't here and given the evidence I doubt he can be.

    3) The Shadow of Paley account is also part of the supposed two person trolling regime, it should also go.

    Louis
    Posted by: skeptic on May 11 2007,18:11

    hmm, I wonder if the bull's eye has moved...lol.
    Posted by: Louis on May 11 2007,18:49

    There is no bullseye. There's a dislike of bullshit, this is true, but no bullseye.

    Louis
    Posted by: Ichthyic on May 12 2007,12:12

    Quote (skeptic @ May 11 2007,18:11)
    hmm, I wonder if the bull's eye has moved...lol.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    no need for a bullseye with broad spectrum BS detectors.

    strange you should find it amusing, though...
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on May 12 2007,18:51

    The page turnover bug appears to be worsening at Official Uncommonly Dense - most recently, two posts were made that should have forced a rollover from one page to the next that didn't happen for something like an hour.  I made a third to force the issue (which worked).
    Posted by: Henry J on May 14 2007,15:28

    The solution to that would seem to be start a new thread and lock the old one (after making sure that all replies already posted on the old one have actually shown up).

    Henry
    Posted by: Jim_Wynne on May 16 2007,14:06

    I'VE RED ALL THRU THIS THREAD (UNLESS YOUR AS SMART AS ME YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAST I READ THINGS) AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT A BORED MECHANIC. GET ON TOPIC OR HIT THE RODE.
    -DT

    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 16 2007,19:00

    Sorry bout that if you tried to post in the last fifteen minutes. Making some tweaks to the code.
    Posted by: Henry J on May 16 2007,21:35

    Re "AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT A BORED MECHANIC."

    What, you missed the conversation about the Maytag repairman?

    Henry
    Posted by: stevestory on May 23 2007,20:13

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 16 2007,20:00)
    Sorry bout that if you tried to post in the last fifteen minutes. Making some tweaks to the code.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Could you make some tweaks to your mail folders? Like, empty them?

     :p
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 25 2007,14:15

    They'll just fill up again.
    Posted by: stevestory on May 25 2007,16:10


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 25 2007,16:44

    Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on May 25 2007,17:00

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 25 2007,16:44)
    Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The bar?
    Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 25 2007,21:00

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 25 2007,16:44)
    Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That's easy Wesley.

    Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 25 2007,21:02

    And while I was looking about for that pic of Steve I came across a fantastic set of solar images.
    < http://www.star.uclan.ac.uk/~sac/ >

    Paul

    edit:Unfortunately I can only figure out how to get one image to come up.  < Sun Pic >

    second edit:Ah, my own tardness comes to the fore.  The images are < here. >
    Posted by: Henry J on May 30 2007,21:56

    I just thought of something that might save a bit of bandwidth around here - maybe the "reply with quote" option could automatically omit images (especially large ones, if it could tell that) from the post being quotes, perhaps replacing with some text that says the image was omitted.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 31 2007,12:47

    Since the images are hosted on other servers, the only bandwidth that will save is each user's.
    Posted by: Henry J on May 31 2007,15:12

    Re "the only bandwidth that will save is each user's."

    Exactly! Some of those image-heavy threads can take a long time to load, and when they have several copies of each image, it takes that much longer.

    Henry
    Posted by: steve_h on May 31 2007,17:18

    board v. slow. Why board slow?
    Posted by: Ichthyic on May 31 2007,20:36

    Denial Of Service attack.

    Reed has whacked a few IP's to fix it, but it appears the collateral damage is indeed extensive.
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 31 2007,22:50

    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 31 2007,20:36)
    Denial Of Service attack.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Wow, maybe DaveTard is NOT really as stupid as he looks . . . .!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Posted by: Ichthyic on May 31 2007,23:07

    I rather think the "goldstein" clan is behind it, myself.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on May 31 2007,23:19

    TODAY WAS RUBBISH. ME AND FTK WERE GOING TO HAVE TEH SEXI_HAWT_CHAT BUT IT WAS RUINED BY SERVER GLITCHES. WHAT IS THIS, UD? I EVEN PUT SOME MONIES IN TEH PAYPALS AND OBVIOUSLY WESLEY JUST USED IT FOR HIS EVERQUEST SUBSCRIPTION.


    GRRRrrrrrrr.


    :angry:
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 02 2007,15:57

    for those that use it, there is a new version of firefox out.

    includes a very nice automatic spell checker which you don't even need to configure.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 02 2007,23:47

    Everclear? Rest assured I buy better stuff than that.

    Reed is working on configuring the new server this weekend. Things are progressing. The new server is a dual Zeon 2.8GHz box with 4GB of RAM and two 250GB hard disks.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 03 2007,01:17

    what database is he using for the backend?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 03 2007,01:48

    MySQL for AE, Austringer, Baywing, and PostgresSQL for PT.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 03 2007,06:22

    sounds fine and dandy.

    postgres would have been exactly what I would have suggested if going open source.  MYSQL was always a bit clunky for large jobs i tried it on; at least a few years back, anyway.

    Postgres shouldn't have any problems at all with either request type or load from something like PT.

    should be positively zippy when he's done.

    I bet he's looking forward to it!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2007,12:27

    On June 6th, the server for PT, AE, and a slew of other domains developed some hardware issues.

    We have managed to get the data transferred to the development server, which has been pressed into service a bit before we expected to do so. Let me know if you find problems: the software setup has changed a bit, so things are not exactly the same as before.

    Kudos to Reed Cartwright, who did the transfers and setup on the new server, and Marc and Zach Nowell, who did the hands-on work with reconfiguring the old server so that we could get to the data.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 07 2007,12:45

    major speed increase in display!

    getting 404 errors trying to post to threads on PT.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2007,15:19

    The PT backend is not yet set up, so no new post, comments, trackbacks, etc. There is a hand-edited note at the top of the PT home page explaining that. Hopefully, Reed will get that sorted this evening. He's got to juggle having both the legacy PT system and the new PT system on the same box now.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 07 2007,15:23

    fun fun fun!

    no worries from my end; the speed increase is already obvious, even unfinished.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 07 2007,19:01

    Re "configuring the new server"

    But it's still a server! It hasn't evolved into a new species!!!!!!!

    :p

    Henry
    Posted by: J-Dog on June 08 2007,10:46

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2007,12:27)
    On June 6th, the server for PT, AE, and a slew of other domains developed some hardware issues.

    We have managed to get the data transferred to the development server, which has been pressed into service a bit before we expected to do so. Let me know if you find problems: the software setup has changed a bit, so things are not exactly the same as before.

    Kudos to Reed Cartwright, who did the transfers and setup on the new server, and Marc and Zach Nowell, who did the hands-on work with reconfiguring the old server so that we could get to the data.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks - A New Server for My Birthday!  Just what I wanted!
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 10 2007,11:48

    Absolutly, congratulations.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 11 2007,09:15

    Lenny is taking a week off to spend time with his family. He will be back on the 18th.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 11 2007,13:51

    *whew* I was afraid FTK scared him away.

    :p
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 12 2007,07:38

    I want to thank everyone who contributed to help us get our hardware upgraded. It took a while, starting with the quick fix of adding more memory to the old server, and most recently culminating in the installation of our new server. The performance on the new server is looking good so far.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 12 2007,10:22

    Keeping our evolved fins crossed!
    Posted by: stevestory on June 12 2007,20:59

    A clarification about the JAD stuff. The ban on Davison just means that we don't allow him to post or anyone else to act as a proxy for him. You can discuss his hypotheses, though. So "Professor Davison's theory says that..." is fine, but "Professor Davison said to tell you..." is not.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 12 2007,21:21

    Professor (ex) Davison said to tell you you're absolutely right, steve.

    *evilgrin*
    Posted by: Lou FCD on June 13 2007,18:27

    Funny.  He told me that there used to be a Steve, but now he's dead and moderation has stopped.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 13 2007,18:43

    True. All this information coming from me was actually programmed in long ago, before I expired. That makes so much sense.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on June 20 2007,13:37

    Bored Mechanics:


    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 20 2007,15:59

    board mechanic:


    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 21 2007,10:57

    test post - upon attempting to edit a post I am getting a message stating I am not permitted to post on this board, although logged in as Reciprocating Bill.
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 21 2007,17:48

    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 21 2007,10:57)
    I am not permitted to post on this board
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Alright, what'dya do THIS time   . . . ?
    Posted by: Steviepinhead on June 22 2007,14:23

    Oops!  Sorry, sorry.

    I thought the topic said "broad" mechanics and my gf has been saying I could use some eddication in that area.

    Guess the visual hallucination is just more evidence of my desperation.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 22 2007,18:16

    Quote (Steviepinhead @ June 22 2007,14:23)
    Oops!  Sorry, sorry.

    I thought the topic said "broad" mechanics and my gf has been saying I could use some eddication in that area.

    Guess the visual hallucination is just more evidence of my desperation.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    With that occipital cortex you've GOT to have a lot going on that way.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 23 2007,23:30

    Where's K.E. been lately? I miss him.
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 23 2007,23:35

    he's blazing trails in New Guinea, IIRC.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 24 2007,16:47

    k.e blew through < here > back on May 31.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 25 2007,10:38

    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 23 2007,23:35)
    he's blazing trails in New Guinea, IIRC.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    < Shopping for these, > I assume. To frighten FTK when he gets back, probably. :p
    Posted by: Ichthyic on June 25 2007,16:54



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Contrary to popular belief, there is little correlation between the size or length of the koteka and the social status of the wearer.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    funny, but social status wouldn't have been my first guess at a size correlation.

    :p
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 30 2007,08:34

    At long last, I've programmed a button for moderators here to bounce comments to the Bathroom Wall without fuss. One small step for ikonBoard, one giant leap for topicality.
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,10:30

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 30 2007,08:34)
    At long last, I've programmed a button for moderators here to bounce comments to the Bathroom Wall without fuss. One small step for ikonBoard, one giant leap for topicality.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Oooh, oooh, let me be your first:


    Bah, topicality is over-rated anyway.


    :)
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,10:32

    (Looks at Bathroom Wall)

    Holy cow, I think I already WAS your first !!!!!!!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 30 2007,11:42

    The flesh may well be weak, but I can help with that now.
    Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,12:40

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 30 2007,11:42)
    The flesh may well be weak, but I can help with that now.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I remain your loyal minion.    :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 01 2007,14:28



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    I remain your loyal minion.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 01 2007,14:40

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2007,14:28)
    Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Further, what happens when you decide to mutiny against yourself?

    Can you ban yourself?  Would you install a big red button on your control panel that says "Do Not Push" and then push it?

    Would AtBC implode?

    There's probably a grant proposal in there for some young psychology student.  Or an IT student, I'm not sure...
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 01 2007,16:09

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2007,14:28)
     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    I remain your loyal minion.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Given that child is father to the man, why not?

    (So said Erik Erikson...)
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 02 2007,19:35

    Hey Steve, your bouncing all those messages to the Bathroom wall screwed up the ability of that thread to click over to the next page. It's stuck on page 85, even tho there are several posts after that.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 02 2007,20:00

    I know. It's a bug that will be fixed eventually. In the meantime, go up to the address bar and manually increase the last number to advance the page.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,12:57

    Steve, your mailbox is full.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:08

    Dammit. It feels like I just deleted all that stuff. Sorry about that. Try in 2 mins
    Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:10

    okay



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here.
    You have 0 total messages in all your folders.
    You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    So that should last at least a week.
    Posted by: Louis on July 03 2007,13:11

    Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,19:10)
    okay



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here.
    You have 0 total messages in all your folders.
    You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    So that should last at least a week.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    DO you really get that much PM mail? Wow. Maybe it was your opening of application for moderator that did it!

    ;-)

    Louis
    Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:17

    The mailbox fills up usually every week or two. People generally do a good job working out problems discreetly, before they become bigger problems.

    Actually, nobody has applied to be moderator. If anyone wants to make the case they'd be a good moderator, please send me a message explaining why, and we will consider it.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,13:25

    Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,13:17)
    The mailbox fills up usually every week or two. People generally do a good job working out problems discreetly, before they become bigger problems.

    Actually, nobody has applied to be moderator. If anyone wants to make the case they'd be a good moderator, please send me a message explaining why, and we will consider it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Steve and I will be dueling with pistols at dawn.*









    *We hope to prevail over the pistols.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 03 2007,14:20

    "I'm with the BANNED" graphics...

    Since many regular commenters here have tried to post comments  on IDC-advocate forums and have ended up being banned from those places, the graphic plays off the ability for IDC skeptics to gather here and discuss it fully.

    [Who first suggested this bit of wordplay? They should get a mention here.]







    I've put one of these to use on the right-hand side of the Antievolution.org main page.


    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,14:21

    Nice - perhaps you might want some text to explain the significance to new folks?
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 03 2007,14:23

    Quote (Louis @ July 03 2007,13:11)
     
    Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,19:10)
    okay

       

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here.
    You have 0 total messages in all your folders.
    You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    So that should last at least a week.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    DO you really get that much PM mail? Wow. Maybe it was your opening of application for moderator that did it!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nah, it was when he announced THIS:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    I've had relationships with a wide array of women. Rich, poor, smart, dumb, beautiful, ugly.* The only deal breaker is, No Fundies.

    (friend of mine used to say, "big, small, short or tall, I Love Em All)  
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Now the chicks are all over him like white on rice.  :p
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 06 2007,18:39

    The hyperlink button does not appear to work with Vista.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 09 2007,06:36

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 03 2007,14:20)
    "I'm with the BANNED" graphics...

    Since many regular commenters here have tried to post comments  on IDC-advocate forums and have ended up being banned from those places, the graphic plays off the ability for IDC skeptics to gather here and discuss it fully.

    [Who first suggested this bit of wordplay? They should get a mention here.]

    (images snipped)

    I've put one of these to use on the right-hand side of the Antievolution.org main page.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I believe that was Kristine, but I don't have a link handy.
    Posted by: Zachriel on July 25 2007,08:30

    I've noticed that the AtBC forums don't Google. For example, if I search for < Zachriel, "paternal family tree" > it comes back empty—even though it is a term I have used repeatedly on this forum. The reason for this is to check if I have previously posted on an issue, and if so, to provide a link rather than a verbatim rehash.

    I understand this is a rather informal venue, but I do try to avoid boring repetition (though I suppose some is inevitable due to the nature of the discussion).
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,09:06

    Unfortunately, many if not most bulletin board software packages use URLs full of various parameters, and Google doesn't seem to like handling that sort of thing.

    Added: I did find a < thread > about hacking ikonBoard to be search-engine friendly. When I get some spare time, I'll look into that.


    Posted by: Zachriel on July 25 2007,09:55

    No problem. I was just curious. I would find it to be a significant enhancement, though.
    Posted by: Louis on July 25 2007,10:27

    Quote (Zachriel @ July 25 2007,15:55)
    No problem. I was just curious. I would find it to be a significant enhancement, though.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ditto Zachriel, on all counts.

    Oh and Wes, thanks for the brief background as to why it doesn't work. As the world's most computer illiterate scientist I just blamed it on gremlins.

    ;-)

    Louis
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,11:25

    I'm not sure that I understand it all, but basic redirection < appears to be working >. I've listed that link on the main AE page, so search engine bots should run across it sometime. Apparently, the search engine bots don't have Javascript capabilities, and see plain text, while your browser does, and will be redirected to the usual view.

    Added: Just tried it with Lynx, and I'm not seeing anything to index in the view that comes up. Apparently I need to do a bit more hacking before this is ready to play.

    Added: I think I have it working now. At least Lynx can browse the pages via the "index" representation.

    Added: The logs show that Yahoo and Google bots are beginning to spider the site.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,21:07

    I've figured out how to make a sidebar for the board. What sort of things could populate a sidebar here that people would find useful to have handy, and what other things might just be considered annoying?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 25 2007,23:19

    A link bar would be nice.  Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.

    ...



    what?

    :D
    Posted by: Darth Robo on July 27 2007,12:08

    But now it's all thinner!   :(

    Everywhere is changing their layouts!  I swear, it's like going to your local shop only to see them change everything 'round every coupla weeks!

    :angry:
    Posted by: JohnW on July 27 2007,12:16

    Quote (Lou FCD @ July 25 2007,23:19)
    A link bar would be nice.  Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.

    ...



    what?

    :D
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Links to the usual antiscience suspects (UD, OE, FTK, Telic Thoughts, etc.), while not necessarily "nice", would be useful.  

    Why not link to ISCID also, so we can keep up to date with all their publications.
    Posted by: Zachriel on July 27 2007,12:42

    Quote (JohnW @ July 27 2007,12:16)
     
    Quote (Lou FCD @ July 25 2007,23:19)
    A link bar would be nice.  Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.

    ...



    what?

    :D
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Links to the usual antiscience suspects (UD, OE, FTK, Telic Thoughts, etc.), while not necessarily "nice", would be useful.  

    Why not link to ISCID also, so we can keep up to date with all their publications.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That would be a Tardroll

    ... or Tardbar.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 27 2007,13:48

    I hereby cast a vote against the sidebar.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 27 2007,13:54

    Re "I hereby cast a vote against the sidebar."

    Me too. It scrunches up the display of the BB contents.

    Henry
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 28 2007,00:05

    Having the links and books at the bottom of the page complicates navigating there - instead of just hitting the END key to scroll down for newest posts, now I've got to scroll.

    Suggestion:

    Have these links and books appear on index pages only.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 28 2007,05:35

    The point was to have links available for quick reference and copying into comments, which means that appearance only on index pages would make it precisely backwards from the intent.

    What I've done is added a link at the bottom for opening a page of "Useful Links". You can right-click in your browser to have that open in a new window, and then be able to flip between the "Add Reply" form and the links page.

    Of course, I'll need to add a bunch more links for this to be as useful as possible. Please drop links into this thread as suggestions.
    Posted by: Louis on Aug. 13 2007,05:01

    I'm sure we've all noticed the recent upsurge in threads about products to make willies work better. Out of curiosity, are they all coming from similar accounts/IPs?

    Seems interesting that we should merit such attention so suddenly.

    Louis
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 14 2007,22:12

    < CafePress shop section for "After the Bar Closes" >




    Posted by: argystokes on Aug. 16 2007,15:48

    Any particular reason for the influx of spammers on this site?
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 16 2007,16:31

    Probably, but the hard part is getting hold of him/them to ask what it is.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 16 2007,16:43

    They've just shifted from other sections of the board to this one. They've been posting junk for a long time.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Aug. 18 2007,13:33

    Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.

    If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Aug. 18 2007,14:41

    Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:33)
    Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.

    If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    **raises hand**

    It wasn't even an electric typewriter.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 18 2007,14:53

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,14:41)
    Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:33)
    Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.

    If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    **raises hand**

    It wasn't even an electric typewriter.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That's nothing! I had to write my class reports with a chisel on a big stone slab!

    Goddamn kids these days...  :angry:
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 18 2007,17:33

    It's not the typing that's at issue, since those question marks are showing up in posts that displayed without them before.

    Henry
    Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 19 2007,15:01

    There seem to be question marks where UD has changed normal quotation marks to special left and right curly quotation marks (66 and 99) which have codes higher than 127.

    On page one of this thread, multiple spaces (in a code block) in my comments, have been replaced by a character which looks like an A with a caret (^) symbol over it. ?

    Testing some german chars: ??????

    Those should have been aou and AOU with umlauts. So I guess anything outside of 0x01-0x7F is potentially a problem.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 19 2007,16:31

    Quote (steve_h @ Aug. 19 2007,15:01)
    There seem to be question marks where UD has changed normal quotation marks to special left and right curly quotation marks (66 and 99) which have codes higher than 127.

    On page one of this thread, multiple spaces (in a code block) in my comments, have been replaced by a character which looks like an A with a caret (^) symbol over it. ?

    Testing some german chars: ??????

    Those should have been aou and AOU with umlauts. So I guess anything outside of 0x01-0x7F is potentially a problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    < This > is all you need to know about umlauts.
    Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 19 2007,18:15

    I was sitting in a coffeeshop drinking a latte and reading the New Yorker (add 'Latte-sipping' to church burning, ebola tossing, etc) and for some reason the umlaut they put over the second 'o' in 'cooperate' really seemed obnoxious.

    Of course, excessive sensitivity to diacritical marks probably strikes some people as obnoxious too. I'm willing to forgive most abnormal language usages.

    Except those cretins who use ` as the left quote mark. That should be a hanging offense.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 19 2007,20:03

    Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 19 2007,18:15)
    I was sitting in a coffeeshop drinking a latte and reading the New Yorker (add 'Latte-sipping' to church burning, ebola tossing, etc) and for some reason the umlaut they put over the second 'o' in 'cooperate' really seemed obnoxious.

    Of course, excessive sensitivity to diacritical marks probably strikes some people as obnoxious too. I'm willing to forgive most abnormal language usages.

    Except those cretins who use ` as the left quote mark. That should be a hanging offense.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The only diacritic use in English that really annoys me is 'ro^le'.

    (I couldn't make the o-circumflex show up on the screen. ANOTHER layer of annoyance.)
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Aug. 20 2007,02:51

    "r?le"  :angry:
    &#947;&#957;&#959;&#952;&#953; &#963;&#949;&#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#957; ???

    No French or Greek characters

    :(
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 20 2007,19:31

    Was PT's reply mechanism hung today? There was about 12 hours of no replies added. Or was it just me? (Not too likely since I checked on two different machines.)

    Henry
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 20 2007,21:00

    Quote (Alan Fox @ Aug. 20 2007,02:51)
    "r?le" ?:angry:
    &#947;&#957;&#959;&#952;&#953; &#963;&#949;&#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#957; ???

    No French or Greek characters

    :(
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I dunno, Louis is kind of a Greek character.

    Ba-dum ching!





    Thank you, thank you. The ten o'clock show is totally different.
    Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 20 2007,21:30



    I tell you, with my doctor, I don't get no respect.  I told him, "I've swallowed a bottle of sleeping pills."  He told me to have a few drinks and get some rest.
    Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 20 2007,21:34



    I remember the time I was kidnapped and they sent back a piece of my finger to my father.  He said he wanted more proof.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 20 2007,21:51

    "I tell you, a hooker is more important than a doctor. I mean, four o'clock in the morning, drunk. I'd never walk up five flights of stairs to see a doctor."













    Whoa. Tough room.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 20 2007,23:38



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    Was PT's reply mechanism hung today?

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I just did a test comment that went through OK. Are you seeing an error message of any sort?
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 21 2007,11:33

    I didn't try replying anywhere, it's just that no new replies got added between 6 or 7 in the morning through about 6 that afternoon. It's unusual for it to go that long between comments or replies.

    Henry
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 21 2007,16:23

    Maybe the lack of replies yesterday was just that nobody had much they wanted to say at the time? I dunno. It's just unusual for PT to be that slow.
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Aug. 22 2007,17:45

    Quote (steve_h @ Aug. 19 2007,15:01)
    There seem to be question marks where UD has changed normal quotation marks to special left and right curly quotation marks (66 and 99) which have codes higher than 127.

    On page one of this thread, multiple spaces (in a code block) in my comments, have been replaced by a character which looks like an A with a caret (^) symbol over it. ?

    Testing some german chars: ??????

    Those should have been aou and AOU with umlauts. So I guess anything outside of 0x01-0x7F is potentially a problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I recompiled/upgraded the database software a week or so ago.  The new one has apparently compiled with different options, making causing some character issues with old text.  It's easy enough to fix once we determine which parts of the database are affected.

    I fixed PT a couple days ago.

    As far as getting PT 2.0 out, I'm still working on it, testing a lot of stuff out on my own machine.  I'm working with SixApart to make sure that our licensing of the blog software is in order before I upgrade.
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 22 2007,20:41

    Ah, so shortly the only questionable characters here will be the ones posting in favor of ID and/or C! :p

    Henry
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Aug. 23 2007,12:45

    Apropos of nothing at all, an image that says it all.

    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 27 2007,22:28

    Some people who have been banned here say things elsewhere. But quoting banned people is essentially letting them post by proxy, and that is not acceptable. We don't have gratuitous banning here; people get banned for cause.

    As I come across instances, I will either delete comments if they are primarily about such a quote, or remove the quote(s), at my discretion. It's either that or the people doing the quoting will be losing posting privileges.

    Fair warning.

    Wesley
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Aug. 29 2007,09:31

    Test. Posting issues. Please delete if this goes through.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Aug. 29 2007,09:35

    Okay:

    whenever I try and edit a post, I get.

    "Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as Richardthughes"
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Aug. 30 2007,16:09

    I still get this..



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as Richardthughes

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    but others seem to be able to edit fine.
    Is it because I'm too sexy?
    Posted by: J-Dog on Aug. 31 2007,18:11

    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 23 2007,12:45)
    Apropos of nothing at all, an image that says it all.

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    Damn!  How'd they get my picture?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 05 2007,17:31

    I'm no prude, but I've pretty much had it with the porn spammers. I've changed the default group on registration to be "Probationers", whose privileges do *NOT* include starting topics. So if you register and have made some on-topic posts, you can PM me about getting topic-creation privileges.
    Posted by: IanBrown_101 on Sep. 05 2007,18:09

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 05 2007,21:31)
    I'm no prude, but I've pretty much had it with the porn spammers. I've changed the default group on registration to be "Probationers", whose privileges do *NOT* include starting topics. So if you register and have made some on-topic posts, you can PM me about getting topic-creation privileges.
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    Sounds fair to me.

    Oh noes, I may now look like a lickspittle to the likes of FtK!!!1!111!ONE

    Never mind, it's still a good idea.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 05 2007,19:39

    It's sad, but it was annoying to wake up, delete porno threads, go to work, come home, delete porno threads, watch tv, delete porno threads...
    Posted by: Altabin on Sep. 06 2007,10:52

    Away for a while - came back to find that AtBC is peppered with ?'s and Unicode cruft.  I see that this has been a problem for a while - any solutions?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 06 2007,11:21

    Not as yet.

    There is a place in the board options to set a default character set, but I haven't tried out anything. I don't know why this has suddenly become an issue here, after several years of no character set trouble at all.
    Posted by: Louis on Sep. 06 2007,11:30

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 05 2007,23:31)
    I'm no prude, but I've pretty much had it with the porn spammers. I've changed the default group on registration to be "Probationers", whose privileges do *NOT* include starting topics. So if you register and have made some on-topic posts, you can PM me about getting topic-creation privileges.
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    Oh noes! Now how am I get information about UD and lesbian teens at the same time?

    Oh well, I guess it's back to www.creationiststoogesand hotnakedflesh.com

    Louis

    P.S. Good call btw. The porn spammers were getting annoying.
    Posted by: Louis on Sep. 06 2007,11:32

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 18 2007,20:53)
    Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,14:41)
     
    Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:33)
    Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.

    If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter.
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    **raises hand**

    It wasn't even an electric typewriter.
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    That's nothing! I had to write my class reports with a chisel on a big stone slab!

    Goddamn kids these days... ?:angry:
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    Baaaah! You youngins with your new fangled technology.

    My message took so long to get here because I sent it to the pigeon loft using smoke signals and they relayed it using drums.

    Louis

    Added in edit: Feeble as it was, I've wanted to makew that joke for ages. Secret of comedy?

    Timing
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Sep. 07 2007,10:14

    Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,10:52)
    Away for a while - came back to find that AtBC is peppered with ?'s and Unicode cruft.  I see that this has been a problem for a while - any solutions?
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    The solution is to go in and edit the database to make it UTF-8 compatible.  I did this for PT a while ago.  Send me some examples and I will look at it.
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Sep. 07 2007,10:16

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 06 2007,11:21)
    Not as yet.

    There is a place in the board options to set a default character set, but I haven't tried out anything. I don't know why this has suddenly become an issue here, after several years of no character set trouble at all.
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    Because the MySQL database is now compiled with the UTF-8 flag enabled.  (This is because we will be porting to Postgresql which assumes utf-8 strings.)

    Try setting the default characterset to utf-8.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 07 2007,13:42

    OK, UTF-8 set as default.

    Testing...



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    Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2] It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, modified to avoid specifying the nature or identity of the designer.[3][4] Its primary proponents, all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute,[5][6] believe the designer to be God.[7] Intelligent design's advocates claim it is a scientific theory,[8] and seek to fundamentally redefine science to accept supernatural explanations.[9]

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    Posted by: steve_h on Sep. 07 2007,17:07

    Once  I saw Gödel at a Motörhead concert.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 07 2007,17:20

    Does the new setting affect already posted posts, or just new posts entered after the new setting was set?

    And is this covered by set theory? :)

    Henry
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Sep. 07 2007,17:52

    Quote (steve_h @ Sep. 07 2007,17:07)
    Once  I saw Gödel at a Motörhead concert.
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    Ooh ooh, let me try that!

    Mötörhëäd

    Whoa... I think I need to go lie down now...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 07 2007,22:40

    I'm not sure, but I think that stuff entered before the explicit character set switch is permanently hosed.
    Posted by: IanBrown_101 on Sep. 09 2007,07:39

    Is anyone else getting this with the Uncommonly Dense thread?


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 09 2007,08:31

    The message before it had a very confused partial enclosure of a URL. I've edited it to fix the markup.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 10 2007,06:29

    How about all those questions about the ridiculous content of UD? I don't think you can make those go away either.
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Sep. 11 2007,12:44

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 07 2007,22:40)
    I'm not sure, but I think that stuff entered before the explicit character set switch is permanently hosed.
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    Not necessarily, most hosed characters are in a limited ranged misused by Microsoft.  If I get sent examples, I can work to modify the database and fix the characters.

    I did it for PT already.
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Sep. 11 2007,13:01

    As far as I can tell, those <?> symbols near the 'quote' and 'edit' buttons are being caused by some weird whitespace character in the templates.  They can be safely deleted from the templates.

    A trick in trying to figure out what the wrong character is supposed to be is to change the encoding in your browser from utf-8 to 'Western' or 'ascii'.  It's under view:character encoding in firefox.
    Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright on Sep. 12 2007,14:29

    I've fixed the <?> characters showing up.  The templates contained an Extend Ascii "non-breaking space" character \xA0.  So I just replaced all instances of that character with the html friendly &nbsp;.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 22 2007,20:47

    Having been provided evidence that Supersport didn't believe the things he said, and was just entertaining himself by getting a rise out of everyone, we have removed his posting privileges.

    We don't like banning anyone. We're sciency types who enjoy discussion and believe the more speech the better. And we loathe the practice, common to ID blogs, of < 'ruthlessly' > evicting critics. We're not worried that we're becoming like Dembski. We've banned 2-3 people this year and he probably did that this morning before pouring milk on his Cheerios. We don't like banning people, but on rare occasions we have to.  

    Explanations of why this was the dumbest decision ever made by anyone anywhere should be PMed to me, and not Wesley.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 22 2007,23:49



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    Explanations of why this was the dumbest decision ever made by anyone anywhere should be PMed to me, and not Wesley.
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    I'm sorry, that wasn't clear. PM Wesley all you want about my terrible decisions. I meant to say the blame for this should be on me, and not him.
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Sep. 23 2007,09:51



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    I'm sorry, that wasn't clear. PM Wesley all you want about my terrible decisions.
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    I only suggest there might be scope for more than just one sanction. Whether a decision is "terrible" or not is less important if it results in suspension rather than an unappealable ban. I guess the new "pariah" status is along these lines.
    Posted by: Ftk on Sep. 23 2007,14:50

    I made a suggestion to Steve that might be kinda fun.  

    Wesley was interested in pulling in some creationists to beat up on, and Steve was insistant that they should be "intelligent", "educated" creationists (for a change).

    I had to kinda giggle at that because the only creationists you folks would deem "intelligent" would be those who you can convert to Darwinism.  I figured an "intelligent creationist" would be an oxymoron in Darwinese.

    So, I suggested letting AFDave, SS, and I all post freely...like even on the same thread.  That might be fun, huh?  20 or so to 3, rather than 20-1?  

    So, whatcha think?  Fun times, no? :)
    Posted by: Ftk on Sep. 23 2007,16:10

    Come on, people...it would be a blast!  Are ya scared of having to address more than one of us at a time??

    LET'S DO IT!!
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 23 2007,16:44

    Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 23 2007,15:50)
    I figured an "intelligent creationist" would be an oxymoron in Darwinese.

    So, I suggested letting AFDave, SS, and I all post freely...like even on the same thread.  That might be fun, huh?  20 or so to 3, rather than 20-1?  

    So, whatcha think?  Fun times, no? :)
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    Of course there are creationists with high IQs; "intelligent creationist" is not an oxymoron.

    However, in 2007, "intelligent creationism" and particularly "intelligent young earth creationism" certainly are oxymoronic. Something other than interest in a veridical scientific account of the natural history of life on earth motivates high IQ creationists (their fundamentalist Christian commitments and community membership, most obviously.)

    I, for one, am unsure why anyone would want to attract a "professional" YEC - the sort who has gigabytes of pre-cooked baloney on file - to any sort of discussion of those topics here. As has been amply demonstrated by AFDave's (and others') efforts, the only way to maintain that the earth is 1/750,000th the age we know it to be is to ignore centuries of cumulative, consilient science and proffer in its stead idiosyncratic and often determinedly ignorant assertions that simply discard that science. I don't find that interesting at all. Not that much fun, either. Speaking my for myself: not "scared." Rather, "bored."
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 23 2007,17:05

    But would "pariah" status be better or worse than "parahna" or "paranha" status? :p

    Henry
    Posted by: Ftk on Sep. 23 2007,17:14

    Hmmm....well, here's the thing, Bill.  If you get bored, you wouldn't have to participate.  Perhaps we won't be discussing the age of earth.  Perhaps, we'd merely like to understand how you people believe that man originated from a primordial sludge walking microbe.  

    Personally, I thought SS was asking some very good questions.  His OP is something that I wonder about all the time, and nobody seriously addressed the question.

    Isn't this forum titled "anti-evolution".  Shouldn't you be confronting those who are "anti-evolution" and help us become believers?  Even if you think there is no hope for us, lurkers will surely profit from the dialogue...right?  

    Steve, let SS back in...it was unfair to ban him, because regardless of that quote you found, he is a creationist. That was pretty darn obvious, and I'm sure you realize it.  So, that leaves me to really question why you banned him.
    Posted by: Ftk on Sep. 23 2007,17:15

    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 23 2007,17:05)
    But would "pariah" status be better or worse than "parahna" or "paranha" status? :p

    Henry
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    Hardy, har, har...
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 23 2007,18:35

    Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 23 2007,18:14)
    Perhaps, we'd merely like to understand how you people believe that man originated from a primordial sludge walking microbe.
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    FTK - and this isn't said with an intent to wound or insult - I disbelieve that you are interested in understanding that.

    The answer to your question is simple: consilient evidence and increasingly comprehensive theory spanning dozens of disciplines support that conclusion (minus the parody, e.g., "walking microbe."). To genuinely strive to understand why most in this community are moved and excited by that world picture is to strive to understand that theory and evidence. AFDave and supersport are not the least interested in undertaking that. I don't see that you are, either.



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    Hmmm....well, here's the thing, Bill.  If you get bored, you wouldn't have to participate.  Perhaps we won't be discussing the age of earth.
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    You are certainly correct to say that I can avoid such threads. If you inspect the lengthy AFDave threads, for example, you'll find zero posts from me.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 23 2007,18:43

    This is not really the thread for this, so this will be my last comment here on this topic. But since we (and FTK) are on the topic of moderation, I am reproducing below some thoughts I posted on FTK's blog that go to this discussion - a message she did NOT allow to appear. It pertained to her putative "open mindedness," which I find less than genuine. Note that this was a reconstruction from memory later the same day; I didn't anticipate it would be blocked, and didn't keep a copy of the original:
       

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    You’re right: it is certainly my belief that creationism of all types (scientific creationism, ID) is pseudoscience, adopts “sciencey” language for the purpose of advancing a cultural and religious agenda, and has no place in a science classroom. No scientific research has been performed (or even attempted) from within this framework; why would you allow it in a science classroom?

    With respect to dogma, so long as students are introduced to the engine of empirical scientific investigation, critical thinking and open inquiry will take care of themselves.

    But all that has been done to death.  

    My point is that your characterization of yourself as open-minded with respect to the main claims of evolutionary biology is inaccurate, as demonstrated by the above posts, including your reply to mine.  Indeed, “open mindedness” in the sense of being open to any and all ideas regardless of their coherence or value is not a virtue. Are you open to Scientology, in that you are willing to spend considerable time and money to remove your body thetans? Similarly, I am not open to the “scientific” claims of creationism and/or intelligent design, because I have concluded that they are either absurdly inaccurate (in the case of YEC assertions regarding the flood, the age of the earth, etc.) or scientifically empty (in the case of ID), and because I have concluded that the principals who advance them are untrustworthy, sometimes due to wrong-headedness but more often due to dishonesty.  

    You have obviously concluded that you are not open to evolutionary biology and its naturalistic framework, as indicated in your posts and the parody of your little blob story, perhaps for similar reasons.

    So why not drop the pretense?
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    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 23 2007,19:12



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    are on the topic of moderation

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Those who want to stick around will get off of it quickly.

    Email or PM for that.

    Wesley

    Added in edit: Of course, anybody who wants to complain about my moderation on other fora are welcome to do so, and complaints about moderation elsewhere can be topical here.

    But discussion of moderation here will be done via email or PM here.


    Posted by: Ftk on Sep. 23 2007,19:15

    delete
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Sep. 24 2007,06:23

    Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 23 2007,17:14)
    Personally, I thought SS was asking some very good questions.  His OP is something that I wonder about all the time, and nobody seriously addressed the question.
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    FtK

    This is an example of why threads dominated by you and your ilk would be worthless. You conveniently ignore facts. In fact, I did address sporty's OP. He then showed his complete ignorance of the definitions of the words needed to understand it (e.g. "fitness").

    Additionally, in my reply I asked him to provide, in return, some evidence for a particularly egregious claim that he made. In the course of subsequent posts, I asked again and again and again. He never responded. He is apparently not interested in gaining understanding; he is interested only in generating noise. There is enough noise on the internet already.

    These traits (ignoring, misunderstanding or not having the vocabulary to argue cogently about a reply to a question, AND galloping off on a new topic without answering questions about the old one) are a hallmark of the MO of you, afdave, and supersport. Until all of you can promise to cease and desist those pathetic behaviors, there is no reason to believe that you are capable of honest discussion of any single issue, much less several.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 25 2007,10:39

    Okay, now I can't start a new topic, becuase I'm "not logged in", 'cept I am.

    Here it is, in case I lose it.


    Morality & Evolution.

    May I suggest that Morality poses no problem from NDE?

    Morality and laws lead to a stable society with a high quality of life, survival chance and reproduction rate.

    Specialization of labour and technology have long been major drivers of benefit for our species and they are largely facilitated by being social and communal animals. Morality facilitates this.

    Is there any decent research out there on this?


    *looks at Wes*
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 25 2007,12:03



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    Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as Richardthughes


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    STERNBERGERS!  :(
    Posted by: Richard Simons on Sep. 29 2007,10:32

    For about a year I was unable to contribute (including contacting the admin) because, although being listed as logged in, it would tell me I was logged out. The only way I found around the problem was to get a new password every time and to re-log in, and that was not reliable.

    About a week ago the problem vanished. I do not know if the computer had a belch and removed an internal blockage or if someone here fixed something but, anyway, thanks.
    Posted by: someotherguy on Sep. 29 2007,10:37

    Quote (Richard Simons @ Sep. 29 2007,10:32)
    For about a year I was unable to contribute (including contacting the admin) because, although being listed as logged in, it would tell me I was logged out. The only way I found around the problem was to get a new password every time and to re-log in, and that was not reliable.

    About a week ago the problem vanished. I do not know if the computer had a belch and removed an internal blockage or if someone here fixed something but, anyway, thanks.
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    I had that same problem, but I emailed steve and, presumably, he fixed it for me because the problem went away.
    Posted by: Richard Simons on Sep. 29 2007,11:13

    Someotherguy:  

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    I had that same problem, but I emailed steve and, presumably, he fixed it for me because the problem went away.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    On one of the occasions when I was able to get on I posted < here > but I never saw a response so I assumed it was unfixable.

    (But thanks to composing this, I've found out why the http key was not working.)
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 29 2007,17:23

    The software creates problems with accounts sometimes. Our apologies. Email Wesley when that kind of thing occurs. I don't have any ability to fiddle with that directly.
    Posted by: Richard Simons on Sep. 29 2007,17:58

    Steve - I tried e-mailing Wesley but I couldn't do it through this site as it was always insisting I was not logged on. As I recall, at the time getting a new password was not working either. It never allowed me to make more than a single post at the best of times. I found another email address for Wes somewhere but it could easily have been defunct as I got no reply.

    Although it was frustrating at times, especially when someone was posting idiotic statements, I don't feel upset with anyone as I've done some programming and I know how difficult it can be to sort out problems.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 30 2007,00:11

    Sorry that you had that amount of problems. If anyone else has those kind of problems contact Wesley through his other website < http://austringer.net/ > A friend of mine had a problem where his account wasn't approved for a month or so. It would be nice if everything worked automatically but bugs and spammers create problems. BTW, has anyone noticed that you no longer get that "You are posting too soon" message? We used to enforce a 2-minute waiting period between comments to hinder spammers, but that's been turned off for a while now.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 30 2007,22:25

    Moderation may be strained over the next few days. There was < a hugenormous fire at my apartment complex > and I found out a few hours a go a friend was hurt jumping off her balcony.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 30 2007,22:34

    Youch. Take care, Steve.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 30 2007,22:42

    You should see this building. It is no more. Just a bunch of ashy metal crap left. She's going to be okay, but she's pretty banged up.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 30 2007,22:49

    No idea what made it go up so fast. It was such an inferno that it melted the fronts of 8 nearby cars.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 01 2007,00:04

    There's a little row of trees obscuring the view from my apartment. On the other side is a near building, and a far building where my friend lived. My phone is down momentarily while VirginMobile's customer support fixes a glitch in my account, so last night when I saw the raging fire I was sure it was in the near building because the flames were so huge, it couldn't possibly be at the far building, and there was no phone call to indicate trouble. I was horror-struck today to casually mosey over to her place to take back Harry Potter 7 to her, to find her building a pile of ashes. I found out she was okay, her dad drove here from Ohio, but it was disconcerting to know that at 2 am, while i casually had a cigarette and watched the flames, she was out behind the building with broken ankles and then getting wheeled into an ambulance. We're going to take her some teriyaki Beef Jerkey --her favorite comfort food-- at UNC hospital tomorrow.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 01 2007,20:15

    I just came from the hospital. It's much worse than I thought. Won't walk again for six months and several surgeries kind of worse. I'll be spending most of the week at the hospital.
    Posted by: Ftk on Oct. 01 2007,20:54

    I'm really sorry to hear about your friend, Steve.  The whole thing sounds awful.  Hopefully she'll heal quickly, and it's nice that you live close by in case she needs anything.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 01 2007,21:22

    Thanks. The whole thing's just cruel. This happened shortly after she got back into town Saturday from some 5 mile race somewhere. After several more surgeries this week she's going to have to move back to Ohio and learn to walk again. I'm not ashamed to admit that I have some selfish grief that I won't see her for quite a while after that. And now I'll stop hijacking the Board Mechanics thread.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Oct. 19 2007,09:20

    Still can't edit my own posts...
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Oct. 27 2007,10:23

    Just for fun Rich, try going to your account options and changing your skin.  I was just playing with the skins and noticed that some stuff is different from the "Standard Iconboard" to the "AE Custom Skin" (like the little diamond question marks come back in the custom skin).

    Functionality really shouldn't be affected by which skin you choose, but stranger things have happened.

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the custom skin)

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the standard skin)
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 07 2007,02:23

    Wes,

    Hate to bug you with this, but my "Move to the BW" button, while very lovely, isn't functioning and your inbox is full.

    I'm getting a message that reads



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    "You do not have permission to carry out that function

    You are currently logged in as Lou FCD "
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    message when I try to use it.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 07 2007,09:58

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 27 2007,10:23)
    Just for fun Rich, try going to your account options and changing your skin.  I was just playing with the skins and noticed that some stuff is different from the "Standard Iconboard" to the "AE Custom Skin" (like the little diamond question marks come back in the custom skin).

    Functionality really shouldn't be affected by which skin you choose, but stranger things have happened.

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the custom skin)

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the standard skin)
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    Thanks Lou, it seems to be working now.


    *doffs tard cap*
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 07 2007,11:23

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 07 2007,10:58)
    Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 27 2007,10:23)
    Just for fun Rich, try going to your account options and changing your skin.  I was just playing with the skins and noticed that some stuff is different from the "Standard Iconboard" to the "AE Custom Skin" (like the little diamond question marks come back in the custom skin).

    Functionality really shouldn't be affected by which skin you choose, but stranger things have happened.

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the custom skin)

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the standard skin)
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    Thanks Lou, it seems to be working now.


    *doffs tard cap*
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    Changing your skin worked?  Well I'll be darned.

    Glad I could help, Rich.  The girls send their love.
    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 10 2007,10:52

    < http://scienceblogs.com/insolen....ese.php >

    moderation would be a breeze with one of these things.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 12 2007,02:54

    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 10 2007,11:52)
    < http://scienceblogs.com/insolen....ese.php >

    moderation would be a breeze with one of these things.
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    'cept it'd probably immediately zap everything I've ever said about UD, and that would suck.  There's a few funny ones in there I'd hate to lose.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 12 2007,08:58

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 07 2007,11:23)
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 07 2007,10:58)
     
    Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 27 2007,10:23)
    Just for fun Rich, try going to your account options and changing your skin.  I was just playing with the skins and noticed that some stuff is different from the "Standard Iconboard" to the "AE Custom Skin" (like the little diamond question marks come back in the custom skin).

    Functionality really shouldn't be affected by which skin you choose, but stranger things have happened.

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the custom skin)

    (EDIT - testing the edit function in the standard skin)
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    Thanks Lou, it seems to be working now.


    *doffs tard cap*
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    Changing your skin worked?  Well I'll be darned.

    Glad I could help, Rich.  The girls send their love.
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    Thanks - but sadly it's broken again.

    here's the thread I was going to start, parked.

    It's an oldie I re-discovered. Decent break over sweet dreams. They change the hook in places and use lennox's voice as in instrument proper, so I think they do enough. I rate this

    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1ywpX-g34 >

    Sexi_Hawt
    Zachriel the Angel of Memory from Jupiter <<<
    Tarden Chatterbox
    FtK
    AFDave

    This is teh muzik ratings system.

    It's @ 136 BPM. How fast was the origional?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 12 2007,09:43

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2007,09:58)
    Thanks - but sadly it's broken again.

    here's the thread I was going to start, parked.

    It's an oldie I re-discovered. Decent break over sweet dreams. They change the hook in places and use lennox's voice as in instrument proper, so I think they do enough. I rate this

    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1ywpX-g34 >

    Sexi_Hawt
    Zachriel the Angel of Memory from Jupiter <<<
    Tarden Chatterbox
    FtK
    AFDave

    This is teh muzik ratings system.

    It's @ 136 BPM. How fast was the origional?
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    Well, do not despair, young Grasshopper.

    Wes is still monkeying around trying to figure out what's up with me and the BW button, so he may have changed something that caused the re-breakage of your Sexi Hawt Thang.  You may find it rights itself as time wears on and adjustments are made.

    In the meantime, I'd be happy to copy and paste that to a new thread for you, if you'd care to give me a title/subtitle.  You can feel free to PM me as well, with new threads/comment edits/whatever until you're all straightened out.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 12 2007,10:26

    Cheers chief.

    It was going to be "Now Spinning.."
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 12 2007,10:39

    < As you wish, Buttercup. >
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Nov. 30 2007,12:17

    Gee, there's a user called "escortservLatvian" logged on right now! However, I am an optimist about human nature and refuse to believe that he is a spammer who wants to tell us about this amazing new deal on generic Viagra. I eagerly await his observations about the politically charged issues about ID and the teaching of evolution.[/snark]

     

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    30 guests, 19 Public Members and 0 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >Arden Chatfield >jeannot >BWE >jupiter >Tom Ames >Mister DNA >improvius >EoRaptor013 >Henry J >Assassinator >Erasmus, FCD >Mr_Christopher >Bob O'H >Trefer33 >Albatrossity2 >Tracy P. Hamilton >dhogaza >JohnW >escortservLatvian
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    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 30 2007,23:13

    Or a variant of it that's spelled something like "v|i_a.g+r-a".

    For some reason, the email spammers stuck various punctuation marks between the letters of the word in the email subject line. Huh.

    Henry
    Posted by: Annyday on Dec. 02 2007,23:07

    I have a question mark where my edit button should be. This is annoying. RT has the same problem, I do believe.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 02 2007,23:17

    Newcomers don't get edit or topic creation privileges immediately.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 03 2007,13:44

    But people who do have edit privlege get the question mark to the left of the "edit" button. Or at least that's what I see from here, so the question mark isn't replacing the button.

    Henry
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 03 2007,19:51

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 03 2007,14:44)
    But people who do have edit privlege get the question mark to the left of the "edit" button. Or at least that's what I see from here, so the question mark isn't replacing the button.

    Henry
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    I can vouch for that, although now my question mark is between the BW button and the delete button.

    I just ignore it, although in a perfect world it shouldn't be there.  It's probably just a stray character at the beginning of the code that adds those standard buttons.  I'm assuming that the BW button is custom code that appears before the standard buttons code.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 04 2007,14:16

    So what insightful comments on the evolution controversy does our new member toponlineepornrponv wish to make?



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    35 guests, 18 Public Members and 0 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >Arden Chatfield >someotherguy >theloneliestmonk >toponlineepornrponv >Assassinator >incorygible >Albatrossity2 >Tom Ames >Zarquon >JohnW >Richardthughes >Lou FCD >Raevmo >Gunthernacus >Bob O'H >Erasmus, FCD >BopDiddy >J-Dog
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    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 04 2007,14:25

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 03 2007,20:51)
    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 03 2007,14:44)
    But people who do have edit privlege get the question mark to the left of the "edit" button. Or at least that's what I see from here, so the question mark isn't replacing the button.

    Henry
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    I can vouch for that, although now my question mark is between the BW button and the delete button.

    I just ignore it, although in a perfect world it shouldn't be there.  It's probably just a stray character at the beginning of the code that adds those standard buttons.  I'm assuming that the BW button is custom code that appears before the standard buttons code.
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    Hey, it's disappeareded!

    See what happens when you pray to the One True Code Fixerupper?  All your question marks shall be resolved.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 04 2007,17:20

    Or maybe it were a mutation that got selected for... think?  :p
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 04 2007,20:48

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 04 2007,18:20)
    Or maybe it were a mutation that got selected for... think?  :p
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    Well if evolution by mutation is dependent on sexual reproduction it sorta begs the question of how exactly the One True Code Fixerupper is Fixerupping, doesn't it?

    Of course, it's obviously just microevolution anyway...
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 04 2007,23:09

    Yeah, but it's still just code! :p

    Henry
    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 05 2007,11:12

    So now you've got a working BW button? Coolness.

    Somewhere, in a house a few thousand miles away:



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    Louis's wife: What's the matter, honey?
    Louis: I don't know...I just felt a little...uneasy for a second...
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    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 05 2007,11:55

    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 05 2007,12:12)
    So now you've got a working BW button? Coolness.
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    Um, no.  We were discussing the stray question mark, and the question mark that was replacing the edit button for some accounts.

    My BW button is still out of order, but Wesley is working on it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 11 2007,17:04

    Have had a bit of upheaval at home. Our elderly dog was in renal failure, and we've put her down.

    I'm around, but may not be commenting much for a bit.

    I've also changed the link structure in the RSS feed. It should point to individual entries, but load a whole page at a time.


    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 11 2007,20:46

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 11 2007,18:04)
    Have had a bit of upheaval at home. Our elderly dog was in renal failure, and we've put her down.

    I'm around, but may not be commenting much for a bit.

    I've also changed the link structure in the RSS feed. It should point to individual entries, but load a whole page at a time.
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    Sorry to hear that Wesley.  You and yours have my sympathies.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 13 2007,15:23

    Checking some code...
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 13 2007,15:41

    My button works.
    Posted by: VMartin on Dec. 18 2007,11:57

    After Lou closed my thread and after one of my post has  disappeared and after Lou has deleted all my Friday's posts from "Evolution of the horse" there is another inconvinience I experienced. I cannot get at AtBC forum using Slovakian provider - the message is


    The page you are looking for is currently unavailable.


    So I am using services of a proxyserver to send this message. There are so many inconviniences for a critique of darwinism to participate here last time. Oddly enough no such problems existed when W.R. Elsberry was admin.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 18 2007,12:33

    Marty, if you have an actual issue with the board mechanics, it goes here.

    Bitching about moderation goes in PM.

    Your bitching about Darwinismus can go either in your cosmology thread, or on the BW.

    If you ever have a thought that might contribute to the discussion in a thread, it goes there.

    Edited to add:

    Your posts were not deleted, they were moved to the Bathroom Wall where they belonged, along with a whole boatload of other peoples' comments, probably mostly my own.




    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 20 2007,06:49

    We seem to be experiencing the roll-over issue on the BW.

    FYI.

    ETA:

    For those that don't know, when comments roll over onto a new page but there's no link to the new page, go to the last page that you can see in that thread.

    Look up at your URL bar, which ends in a number.  Edit that number to add 30 to it.  For instance, the URL to this page ends in "st=450".  You make that say "st=480".

    Click your "go" button on your browser.


    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 21 2007,01:03

    Man, am I sick of seeing my name on this board. I don't think I'm contributing too much or anything, I'm just sick of seeing "Posted by: Stevestory" "Last comment by: Stevestory" "Topic Started by: Stevestory" etc. It's enough to make me want to get an account under my alias, Bill Jackson, just so I don't have to see my name 100 times.
    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 21 2007,01:06

    (Why Bill Jackson? My friend Mike spent a year thinking up the most absurd sounding alias he could, and occasionally goes under the result, Ralph Vienna. I couldn't top that for absurdity, so I thought of the most asshole-sounding name I could, and Bill Jackson sprang to mind. Although truth be told, Arden Chatfield is so great I want to bury him in an unmarked grave and assume his identity.)

    (*Just kidding, Arden. (Plays with shovel absentmindedly))
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 21 2007,15:49

    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 21 2007,01:06)
    Although truth be told, Arden Chatfield is so great I want to bury him in an unmarked grave
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yeesh. You treat all your friends that way? :O



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    and assume his identity.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Are you prepared to assume my mortgage payments?
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 21 2007,15:54

    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 21 2007,01:03)
    Man, am I sick of seeing my name on this board. I don't think I'm contributing too much or anything, I'm just sick of seeing "Posted by: Stevestory" "Last comment by: Stevestory" "Topic Started by: Stevestory" etc. It's enough to make me want to get an account under my alias, Bill Jackson, just so I don't have to see my name 100 times.
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    I've made the decision that if the day ever comes when my number of posts looks like it's about to surpass 'Sternberger' Steve's, that's the day I retire from this board. Having the biggest no. of posts in all of ATBC, even more than all the moderators, is just too nerdy, even for me.  :O
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 21 2007,17:00

    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 21 2007,02:03)
    Man, am I sick of seeing my name on this board. I don't think I'm contributing too much or anything, I'm just sick of seeing "Posted by: Stevestory" "Last comment by: Stevestory" "Topic Started by: Stevestory" etc. It's enough to make me want to get an account under my alias, Bill Jackson, just so I don't have to see my name 100 times.
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    I know the feeling.  Sometimes I'll pop in, read every thread that's been updated since last I was in, make a few comments, next thing I know "Last comment by Lou FCD" like seven or eight times in a row.

    Then nothing.  Nothing for like an hour, and I have to wonder how one man can kill so many conversations in like five minutes.

    I need to shut up more.
    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 21 2007,19:15

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 21 2007,16:54)
    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 21 2007,01:03)
    Man, am I sick of seeing my name on this board. I don't think I'm contributing too much or anything, I'm just sick of seeing "Posted by: Stevestory" "Last comment by: Stevestory" "Topic Started by: Stevestory" etc. It's enough to make me want to get an account under my alias, Bill Jackson, just so I don't have to see my name 100 times.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I've made the decision that if the day ever comes when my number of posts looks like it's about to surpass 'Sternberger' Steve's, that's the day I retire from this board. Having the biggest no. of posts in all of ATBC, even more than all the moderators, is just too nerdy, even for me.  :O
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Right now you're rolling at 6.47 posts per day, and I'm at 7.0. So you don't have anything to worry about for a while.
    Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 21 2007,21:43



    Man, I'm getting tired of seeing my name. Getting closer to Bill Jackson time.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Jan. 02 2008,20:18

    Dudes, we broke our record today:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Most users ever online was 141 on Jan. 02 2008,16:56
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Pretty remarkable, given that the previous record was on December 27, 2007.

    We have Sal and FTK to thank.  :p
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 02 2008,22:34

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 02 2008,21:18)
    Dudes, we broke our record today:

     

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    Most users ever online was 141 on Jan. 02 2008,16:56
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Pretty remarkable, given that the previous record was on December 27, 2007.

    We have Sal and FTK to thank.  :p
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    *cough*

    And by quite a bit.  The old record was like 71.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 03 2008,16:29

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 02 2008,19:18)
    Dudes, we broke our record today:
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Well, somebody find some duct tape and fix the thing! :p
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 04 2008,21:13

    In the Unreasonable Kansans thread, the subject of a PotW badge came up.



    Comments?
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 08 2008,23:29

    I really like the Slashdot moderation system. Once you've paid your dues, you're given the power to rate a random group of comments. More experienced people then meta-rate your rating. It creates a self-policing community. And no deletion is required--you can select what level of comments to view. The flamey idiocy is still there, you can select to view it if you want, or you can select higher-rated comments to view.

    My appreciation of that system stumbled a bit when I realized that if implemented here, FtK would actually receive some moderation power, and, because she's an ID Creationist, presumably try to delete a bunch of comments she didn't like. But then I remembered that her horrible moderation would be meta-moderated and her powers would diminish, and my appreciation of that system rebounded.
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 08 2008,23:32

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,22:13)
    In the Unreasonable Kansans thread, the subject of a PotW badge came up.



    Comments?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I like it. It's succinct. Simple. Not too wordy. Unlike some horrible graphics I could mention.


    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 08 2008,23:37

    You could probably give an entire Graphic Design lecture on how horrible that Evolutionary Crusade image is.
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 08 2008,23:43

    I can't get over how horrible that graphic is. I can tell you 5 things wrong with it. Is there anything at which the creationists are competent? Anything at all?
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Jan. 09 2008,09:36

    Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2008,23:37)
    You could probably give an entire Graphic Design lecture on how horrible that Evolutionary Crusade image is.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Actually, the best part of it is the URL. it is posted at someplace called "onlinefantasyart.com".

    Onlinefantasyart is a pretty concise description of ID, actually. Or maybe onlinefantasyfart...
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 10 2008,07:30

    Is the board exceptionally slow to load for anyone else this morning?

    It's been a very long time since I've had it get cantankerous like this.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 10 2008,15:11

    Seems to have cleared up, whatever happened to be the issue.

    ETA: FYI


    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Jan. 10 2008,18:36

    Question vis the bathroom wall:

    I wuz wondering if your BW facility could be modified to include an automatic indication of the thread from which the offending post was removed. Perhaps even a link back. I sometime have the itch to put an offending post in context.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 10 2008,19:28

    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 10 2008,19:36)
    Question vis the bathroom wall:

    I wuz wondering if your BW facility could be modified to include an automatic indication of the thread from which the offending post was removed. Perhaps even a link back. I sometime have the itch to put an offending post in context.
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    Implementation of something easy would be up to Wesley, and I'd like to see that as well.  I think I even mentioned it on the BW a while back.

    When I first started moving posts there I think I did include a link back, but at some point dropped the practice.

    I'll try to remember to do it in the future.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 14 2008,14:48

    The script is running to fill in the < AE Public BB Archive page > right now. I've added a link to the AE navigation menu, so search engines should start spidering those pages within a few hours to days.

    If you click on the "Official Uncommonly Dense Thread" page from there, though, beware: it's a mere 115MB of HTML, plus the linked graphics. It may serve as a torture test for web browsers, I guess.
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 19 2008,23:10

    Whenever I build a nice computer I wind up giving it to a friend whose computer breaks, so I'm actually working on a '99 vintage Dell right now. PIII, 500 mhz, etc. If I were to hit the 'All' button, it would probably start smoking.
    Posted by: csadams on Jan. 20 2008,10:08

    The email address listed in my personal profile isn't valid anymore.  Do I need to re-register or something under the current one?

    . . . hoping I didn't overlook a FAQs link . . .
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 20 2008,10:27

    I don't think so.  I recently changed mine without issue from a defunct email account.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 20 2008,10:43

    If you don't have a "Modify Account" link when you go to your profile, send me your new email address and I'll change it out.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 28 2008,09:06

    A thought about the RSS feed for comments:

    The feed tells me who's commented and in which thread, but doesn't show the actual comment.

    I pop in a half-dozen times a day to check on things and my custom is to scroll down the main page to the thread with a last comment that I'm sure I've read, then work my way up the page one thread at a time, searching there for the last comment I've read and then reading all the subsequent comments.  I then hit my back button, move up one thread, repeat.

    On threads in which my interest is only passing or less, I'm mostly just scanning for flat-out insults without support or substance, or at least the redeeming factor of humor.

    It would be helpful to me, and I hope useful to everyone else, if the RSS feed could include the comments in their entirety, to speed up that process and let me get to the good stuff.

    Is this possible/desirable?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 28 2008,14:26

    I imagine "possible" is the right word. Absolutely nothing will happen on that until after my current deadline.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 28 2008,19:17

    Okee Dokee.  I didn't know if it might just be a radio button somewhere or if you had to do a bunch of hard coding, or what.

    Take care of your deadline.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 28 2008,23:18

    The RSS here has some hacked-in code in the posting module that puts something information out to a file. There is a PHP file that manipulates that data and puts it in RSS. That PHP is all mine. IkonBoard is all Perl. So I need to add some more information to the output, parse it and encapsulate it so XML parsers don't get offended. Doable, but not real soon.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 01 2008,11:38



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board welcomes our newest member hidlidahimi making a total of 2903 registered members.
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 94157 posts (88988 replies to 5169 Topics)
    Most users ever online was 197 on Feb. 01 2008,10:16
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    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 03 2008,11:05

    Could the folks who have experienced difficulty in editing or other access give it another try and send me a PM about the result?

    Wesley

    PS: That is, people with "Member" status, and not new users, who can neither edit nor create topics. Once one establishes a posting history, one can request an upgrade.


    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Feb. 26 2008,17:20

    The Pharyngula Effect, revealed.

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    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 29 2008,09:47



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    The Pharyngula Effect,
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Wonder if they've found a treatment for that yet? :p
    Posted by: Paul Flocken on Feb. 29 2008,21:01

    Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 29 2008,09:47)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    The Pharyngula Effect,
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Wonder if they've found a treatment for that yet? :p
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Take two cephalopods and call me in the morning. ;)
    Posted by: Frank J on Mar. 02 2008,08:55

    [QUOTE]The RSS here has some hacked-in code in the posting module that puts something information out to a file. There is a PHP file that manipulates that data and puts it in RSS. That PHP is all mine. IkonBoard is all Perl. So I need to add some more information to the output, parse it and encapsulate it so XML parsers don't get offended. Doable, but not real soon.[QUOTE]

    Ironically, you computer people are helping me understand how rank and file creationists think. IOW, it's tempting to think that you are a vast conspiracy, making up stuff as you go along, and shutting out us non-geeks who desperately seek a simpler explanation. We don't want to know that there are all sorts of simpler "explanations", but none of them work.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 04 2008,16:21

    When I search for a word or a phrase, I get the thread but not the post.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 04 2008,18:24

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2008,16:21)
    When I search for a word or a phrase, I get the thread but not the post.
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    Yes, that's standard (but annoying) IkonBoard search behavior. There is a complex hack to improve search behavior, and when I get spare time to deal with it, I may add that.

    In the meantime, it looks like search indexes are actually using one or the other of the more SE-friendly means I've come up with for data on the board, which means that you may get a more specific result using Google.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 15 2008,10:11

    I'm doing some hacking on ikonBoard, so you may see error messages from time to time. Please be patient and retry after a few minutes if you encounter an error message.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 15 2008,10:31

    I'm working on the addition of post text to the RSS feed at the moment.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 15 2008,10:53

    I do not seem to be able to save out a raw copy of the comment text that does not drop characters so far.
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 15 2008,12:44



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    I do not seem to be able to save out a raw copy of the comment text that does not drop characters so far.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    This BB has plenty of characters, so that shouldn't be a problem. :p

    Henry
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Mar. 16 2008,08:25

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 15 2008,11:31)
    I'm working on the addition of post text to the RSS feed at the moment.
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    Thanks Wesley.  I'd really appreciate that.


    Posted by: stevestory on Mar. 21 2008,00:46



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board welcomes our newest member Badidea making a total of 4128 registered members.
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 99632 posts (94418 replies to 5214 Topics)
    Most users ever online was 356 on Mar. 21 2008,00:29
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    and just for contrast, Young Cosmos Discussion Forum:



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    Our users have posted a total of 787 articles
    We have 54 registered users
    The newest registered user is Joe Smith
    In total there are 2 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 2 Guests   [ Administrator ]   [ Moderator ]
    Most users ever online was 39 on Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:38 am
    Registered Users: None
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    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 21 2008,03:13

    I could look at the logs, but I'll just hazard the guess that it is Kristine's first-hand account from the "Expelled" screening that is pulling in the visitors. The link has been posted on Pharyngula and Digg at the least.
    Posted by: Bob O'H on Mar. 21 2008,04:19

    Keep a look out for the 100 000th post - coming soon!
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Mar. 21 2008,10:11

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 21 2008,03:13)
    I could look at the logs, but I'll just hazard the guess that it is Kristine's first-hand account from the "Expelled" screening that is pulling in the visitors. The link has been posted on Pharyngula and Digg at the least.
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    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board welcomes our newest member camanintx making a total of 4134 registered members.
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 99672 posts (94458 replies to 5214 Topics)
    Most users ever online was 519 on Mar. 21 2008,10:10
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    I.e., three minutes ago.
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Mar. 21 2008,10:12

    Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 20 2008,23:19)
    Keep a look out for the 100 000th post - coming soon!
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    Will  there be a prize?

    Say, a one-on-one debate with Kairosfocus, for instance?
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Mar. 21 2008,11:19



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    Most users ever online was 529 on Mar. 21 2008,10:12
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    All-time record set just an hour ago.

    PZ needs to show up at more movie premieres...
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 21 2008,11:27

    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 21 2008,11:19)
     

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    Most users ever online was 529 on Mar. 21 2008,10:12
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    All-time record set just an hour ago.

    PZ needs to show up at more movie premieres...
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    HA HA THIS IS PZ


    Posted by: stevestory on Mar. 22 2008,01:19

    Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 21 2008,11:12)
    Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 20 2008,23:19)
    Keep a look out for the 100 000th post - coming soon!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Will  there be a prize?

    Say, a one-on-one debate with Kairosfocus, for instance?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    [lame joke]
    Second prize is two debates with him.
    [/lame joke]
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Mar. 22 2008,14:54

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 21 2008,04:13)
    I could look at the logs, but I'll just hazard the guess that it is Kristine's first-hand account from the "Expelled" screening that is pulling in the visitors. The link has been posted on Pharyngula and Digg at the least.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Quite likely.  JanieBelle's place is getting a ton of traffic from Amused Muse, and there's not even a link there in Kristine's post, just in the sidebar.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Mar. 23 2008,20:23

    Hey, guys, check it out:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 100000 posts (94784 replies to 5216 Topics)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Yay! The odometer clicked over!

    Dunno who it was -- Jack Krebs, I think.
    Posted by: Mister DNA on Mar. 23 2008,20:32

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 23 2008,20:23)
    Hey, guys, check it out:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 100000 posts (94784 replies to 5216 Topics)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Yay! The odometer clicked over!

    Dunno who it was -- Jack Krebs, I think.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Here's a < screen cap > of the historic occasion.

    What does JKrebs win? Two tickets to Expelled? Does the runner-up get four tickets?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 10 2008,08:34

    The DFW area had a major storm last night. The server was offline for a few hours and needed some hands-on intervention to get back to a happy state, but we've managed that now.
    Posted by: Henry J on April 10 2008,14:16

    When I tried to post a reply on PT just now it says "500 - Internal Server Error".

    The latest reply showing now was posted at 2:10 this morning.

    Henry
    Posted by: Jkrebs on April 11 2008,13:19

    Wow, and cool - I just read that I won a prize for making the 100,000 post, and I didn't even know it.

    I really don't deserve it - there are some of you here with many, many more posts than I'll ever make.

    Thanks to Wesley for making it all possible.

    P.S. - I'm afraid I must decline the opportunity to debate with kairosfocus - I find him a little, well, hard to focus on.
    Posted by: steve_h on April 11 2008,18:12

    Mr DNA's screen capture indicates that the 100000th post was on the UD thread on 23rd March 2008 at 20:19 and yet there is no post on the UD thread at that time.  I suspect some sort of Manufactroversy (duh duh duuuh). The nearest is < here >.

    (Also there's nothing on the B.W at that time. Hmm, do BW entries get new times? )
    Posted by: carlsonjok on April 11 2008,18:16

    Quote (steve_h @ April 11 2008,18:12)
    Mr DNA's screen capture indicates that the 100000th post was on the UD thread on 23rd March 2008 at 20:19 and yet there is no post on the UD thread at that time.  I suspect some sort of Manufactroversy (duh duh duuuh). The nearest is < here >.

    (Also there's nothing on the B.W at that time. Hmm, do BW entries get new times? )
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    < This > is the 100K post.  I am in the same time zone (Central Time - US) as both Jack and Mr. DNA and it shows up as 20:19 on my screen.  Aren't you in jolly old England?  This post should show 13:19 for you.
    Posted by: steve_h on April 11 2008,18:56

    Do'h! you are right. Mostly. We are in front of you. I'm in Switzerland which is one hour ahead of jolly old blighty.  So the time was actually 2008-03-24 02:19 here, unless I've inexplicably screwed up again.

    It was followed by a particularly crappy post from me (*), written under the influence (*), which I am relieved to say was not noted as a landmark post on this forum.

    (*) see also any of my other posts.
    Posted by: Henry J on April 11 2008,23:59



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Hmm, do BW entries get new times?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I've wondered about that, too. I have the impression that they keep their original post times, based on the fact that they seem to get inserted before stuff that was already on the BW thread.

    Henry
    Posted by: stevestory on April 12 2008,01:34

    Quote (Jkrebs @ April 11 2008,14:19)
    Wow, and cool - I just read that I won a prize for making the 100,000 post, and I didn't even know it.

    I really don't deserve it - there are some of you here with many, many more posts than I'll ever make.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Don't stress about it. 4500 of my posts were total crap.

    :D
    Posted by: Louis on April 13 2008,17:20

    Quote (stevestory @ April 12 2008,07:34)
    Quote (Jkrebs @ April 11 2008,14:19)
    Wow, and cool - I just read that I won a prize for making the 100,000 post, and I didn't even know it.

    I really don't deserve it - there are some of you here with many, many more posts than I'll ever make.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Don't stress about it. 4500 of my posts were total crap.

    :D
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Now now, false modesty is as bad as arrogance you know. It was at best 4250 posts of total crap, the rest were absolute gems. ;-)

    Louis (Looking forward to post 4500 when he too can claim 4500 posts of total crap. In fact given the length of some of them, I reckon I can claim 5000 posts of total crap at post 4000!)
    Posted by: Henry J on April 14 2008,11:44

    Quote (Henry J @ April 11 2008,22:59)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Hmm, do BW entries get new times?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I've wondered about that, too. I have the impression that they keep their original post times, based on the fact that they seem to get inserted before stuff that was already on the BW thread.

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Since the date/time's in quoted stuff generally agrees with the date/time on the post being quoted (once timezone difference is accounted for), I conclude that posts moved to the BW keep their original date/time.

    Henry
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 14 2008,21:27

    Quote (Henry J @ April 14 2008,12:44)
    Quote (Henry J @ April 11 2008,22:59)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Hmm, do BW entries get new times?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I've wondered about that, too. I have the impression that they keep their original post times, based on the fact that they seem to get inserted before stuff that was already on the BW thread.

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Since the date/time's in quoted stuff generally agrees with the date/time on the post being quoted (once timezone difference is accounted for), I conclude that posts moved to the BW keep their original date/time.

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I never really paid that close attention, but I'd assume that's the case.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on April 16 2008,04:32

    My edit button no workee.  

    Specifically, I can go in and edit the post to my hearts content, but when I try to post or preview, I get the following error:
     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as carlsonjok
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I think RTH had this same problem some time ago, if that is a help.

    EDIT:Test

    EDIT2:  Workee!! Thank you.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 23 2008,08:40

    It would be cool if in the comment panel there were a button to switch the font to Comic Sans for quoting and/or P-A-R-O-D-Y of creationists (a la PZ Mephistopheles).

    Just a thought from my shower.
    Posted by: Stevo on April 24 2008,20:20

    I'm confused... I came from the panda's thumb, and this msg board is antievolution.org

    soooo... is everyone pro or anti evolution??
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 24 2008,20:35

    Quote (Stevo @ April 24 2008,21:20)
    I'm confused... I came from the panda's thumb, and this msg board is antievolution.org

    soooo... is everyone pro or anti evolution??
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Hi Stevo,

    Welcome to the board.  It's a rough and tumble place, much less formal than the 'Thumb.

    Hang around for more than five minutes, and I think it'll become pretty obvious on which side of that fence most of our commenters fall.

    (Hint: A pretty good hunk of them are actual working scientists, and a good hunk of that group are in biology.)
    Posted by: Stevo on April 24 2008,23:27

    Thanks for the heads up :p

    any hint on when I'll be able to post a topic?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 25 2008,03:02

    Sure.

     
    Quote (hint @ highlight below)
    At some point in the future
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 25 2008,07:29

    Why would you want that?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 25 2008,07:33

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 25 2008,08:29)
    Why would you want that?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Cuz I'm a dork and didn't think I could do it that way
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 25 2008,09:13

    Testing
    Posted by: Lou FCD on April 25 2008,11:04

    Mucho Coolio
    Posted by: Zarquon on April 25 2008,22:03

    Page numbers are now distinct! Thanks be to FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster or Finite State Machine, take your pick)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 26 2008,08:00

    I haven't done anything with page numbers in a couple of years. What's changed?
    Posted by: Zarquon on April 27 2008,03:28

    The font changed. It must have been something cached in my browser/xfs, because it's changed back again.
    Oh well.
    Posted by: stevestory on April 28 2008,22:33

    A few days ago (a week?) someone PM'd me about a thing. You know who you are. But I misplaced your PM. Could you ask me again?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 05 2008,18:14

    If one of our Photoshop gurus would care to collaborate on a T-shirt design I'm thinking of for my Cafepress site, please PM me.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 09 2008,22:44

    Two new redirects added for the site:

    < Bathroom Wall as "antievolution.org/bw" >

    < AtBC as "antievolution.org/atbc" >
    Posted by: Lou FCD on May 10 2008,06:38

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 09 2008,23:44)
    Two new redirects added for the site:

    < Bathroom Wall as "antievolution.org/bw" >

    < AtBC as "antievolution.org/atbc" >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm thinking there should be a few more.

    The UD thread:

    antievolution.org/tardcentral
    antievolution.org/drdrandgrannyspice
    antievolution.org/icanhazstoopid
    antievolution.org/sadbuttrue
    antievolution.org/ixnayontheesusjay
    antievolution.org/fartyjokesareus
    antievolution.org/urdoinitrong


    The BlogCzar Years thread:

    antievolution.org/nixplanatoryfilter
    antievolution.org/igottheaxe
    antievolution.org/udrip
    antievolution.org/boneyard
    antievolution.org/gonebutnotforgotten


    The Explore Evolution thread:

    antievolution.org/paulnelsonsightings
    antievolution.org/paulducksquestions
    antievolution.org/drivebyequivocations
    antievolution.org/writethebookthendotheresearch
    antievolution.org/drhurdcheckshismailbox


    The Expelled Thread:

    antievolution.org/pos
    antievolution.org/propaganda
    antievolution.org/darwinandhitlerandnazisohmy
    antievolution.org/bensteinisanidiot
    antievolution.org/waitingtoexpel


    The Young Cosmos thread:

    antievolution.org/lying4jesus
    antievolution.org/quoteminecentral
    antievolution.org/disgustingpieceofdonkeyspooge


    The Unreasonable Kansans thread:

    antievolution.org/denyingrealitysince1962
    antievolution.org/nuhuh
    antievolution.org/stopbeingmeantome

    Zero's thread:

    antievolution.org/wtf


    The Florida thread:

    antievolution.org/pleasesecede
    antievolution.org/canwejustcutyouoff
    antievolution.org/floridadoomed


    The Libations and Comestibles thread:

    antievolution.org/fatdrunkchanceworshippers


    This thread:

    antievolution.org/heywesleyitsbroke
    Posted by: Leftfield on May 15 2008,13:02

    Following up on JonF's comment in the UD thread, this morning (5/15) when I looked in, the list of topics page showed 940 pages for the thread. I read 939, clicked on 940, and on 940 there were no posts showing. I've never seen that before. That may have been in the midst of the copying and moving of the space travel posts to the new thread and the BW. FYI/YMMV, etc.

    ETA: I read page 939 this morning, not all 939.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on May 20 2008,21:48

    We (and by "we" I mean "you") might want to start thinking about a captcha thingy for registrations...

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    51 guests, 17 Public Members and 0 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >Doc Bill >Lou FCD >snoeman >Dr.GH >hereoisreal >EyeNoU >Occam's Aftershave >olegt >Reciprocating Bill >deejay >xxxlYouenhanced >swwatch_swwatchs >Texas Teach >jerkazoid >charlie d >sparc >Fkrgpkry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I mean, "Reciprocating Bill"?  C'mon, you know that's gotta be smut spam.  (also maybe that "xxxlYouenhanced", but that's a little less clear - we might want to hear what he has to say first)


    Posted by: stevestory on May 20 2008,23:23

    "Jerkazoid" has got to be a misspelling of "Louis"....
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 24 2008,03:44

    "DavidMabus*" is no more welcome to spam my sites than he is to spam my email. The "DavidMabus2006" login has been changed to "Pariah" group membership. If he abuses the PM system, let me know and I will bust him down to "Guest".

    Fanatic -- someone who won't change their mind and won't change the subject.


    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on May 24 2008,17:21

    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 20 2008,22:48)
    We (and by "we" I mean "you") might want to start thinking about a captcha thingy for registrations...

             

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    51 guests, 17 Public Members and 0 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >Doc Bill >Lou FCD >snoeman >Dr.GH >hereoisreal >EyeNoU >Occam's Aftershave >olegt >Reciprocating Bill >deejay >xxxlYouenhanced >swwatch_swwatchs >Texas Teach >jerkazoid >charlie d >sparc >Fkrgpkry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I mean, "Reciprocating Bill"?  C'mon, you know that's gotta be smut spam.  (also maybe that "xxxlYouenhanced", but that's a little less clear - we might want to hear what he has to say first)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Strictly a mechanical allusion. Nothing sexual. Like the reciprocating Stirling engine:



    (ETA: No shit, that's the Wiki illustration of a Stirling engine.)
    Posted by: Alan Fox on May 25 2008,03:30

    Still a problem with new posts showing up on the UD thread. A post I entered disappeared into the ether, and the topic list showed Rich had posted something but I tried posting after him to see what happened and there's no trace of his post. (Please feel free to delete my test post). The old workaround of adding 30 to the page count no longer seems to work.

    < RB doesn't make stuff up >
    Posted by: RupertG on June 28 2008,15:56

    I feel a bit of a n00b for asking this but... how does search work here? (I normally search for answers before asking on boards but in this case, uh...)

    I ask because I recently came across
    < this prime bit of grade-A wallaby cortex > and thought I'd better check to see whether the author ("Rana's work has been published in peer-review journals and he has made presentations at scientific meetings showing that good science garners the respect of the scientific community, even when it supports creation.") has been mentioned here before.

    So I searched. All I get back is the thread in which the author appears and not the message itself, which as it's the nigh-on 1000 page Uncommonly Dense epic is, uh....

    What am I missing? How do I find the message with the search hit in it, rather than the entire thread?

    Rupert (currently enjoying a rather fine saffron gin - but that's not important right now)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 28 2008,20:14

    Unfortunately, the default search function in ikonBoard doesn't yield anything more specific than a thread in which the search terms appear.

    I saw a hack once, but it looked like it was pretty complex.

    Despite the hacks I've applied to this version of iB, it may be worth considering shifting the board to a newer software package. There have been continuing problems with a small proportion of people being unable to register and get access. So I am open to suggestions for new bulletin board software. The basic requirements I have are:

    - Open source and free code.
    - Runs under FreeBSD.
    - Hackable for extending functionality.
    - Flexible permissions capability.
    - Ability to specify public and private fora.
    - Good tools for moderators.

    Nice features to have out of the box:

    - RSS feed for new comments in public fora.
    - Ability to redirect comments to other threads by admins.
    - Spam reduction by CAPTCHA.
    - Search function that returns links to individual comments.

    I can run the scripts to convert all the posts in the iB databases so that all that has transpired can be accessible by static HTML files.

    If I can find a good alternative software package, then changing over to that is something that can be considered. At the moment, though, I don't really have the time to be looking at a bunch of candidate packages. So if anyone or a group would care to look into that and reporting back here, it would be appreciated.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 28 2008,20:21

    For the present time, though, use Google to search and include "site:antievolution.org" with your search terms. Stuff with "aebb-archive" will be pages from the bulletin board.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 28 2008,22:14

    Quote (RupertG @ June 28 2008,16:56)
    I feel a bit of a n00b for asking this but... how does search work here?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Poorly!


    Posted by: Henry J on June 28 2008,22:15

    I've no idea if the package used by < http://www.xprodigy.net/board/ > and < http://www.trucker2000.net/forum/ > meets those specs or not, but it seems to work pretty well for those two BB's.

    Henry
    Posted by: khan on July 06 2008,20:02

    I get this message when I click on certain parts of
    Telic Thoughts Thread



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=SC;c=5

    403 - Forbidden
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 06 2008,22:29

    Are you simultaneously hitting the PT server? 403s come up because the HTTPD server is set to deny multiple simultaneous browser requests from the same IP address.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 06 2008,23:05



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    87 user(s) active in the past 15 minutes
    68 guests, 19 Public Members and 0 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >stevestory >Arden Chatfield >Guts >Richardthughes >EyeNoU >Lou FCD >AnalJar >Krubozumo Nyankoye >JAM >Dr.GH >Freelurker >Rettydiesse60 >Inhasseboon >Zarquon >Reed >medsinsurance >Texas Teach >Jasonstawnos >SergioRamas
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    For Monday morning at midnight that's pretty impressive.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 07 2008,14:05



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    403s come up because the HTTPD server is set to deny multiple simultaneous browser requests from the same IP address.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Ah so. That would explain why I get 403's sporadically when trying to load all the recent threads in separate tabs at the same time.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 07 2008,16:03

    Yes. I load a set of tabs that all hit the same server, and I end up having to hit refresh on most of them because of the lockout of simultaneous requests. As with many things, that became necessary because of spammers overloading the comment submission systems on the various sites. By requiring such requests to be spaced apart in time, it cuts down on the server load quite a bit.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 07 2008,20:47

    I've also encountered 403s while rapidly paging back through a single thread one page at a time.

    I find myself locked out for a few minutes.  

    (Getting to a deeply buried post more rapidly by changing the message number in the URL appears to break the permalink mechanism - so if I want a permalink I've got to page through the thread)
    Posted by: Henry J on July 07 2008,21:42



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    (Getting to a deeply buried post more rapidly by changing the message number in the URL appears to break the permalink mechanism - so if I want a permalink I've got to page through the thread)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    If you haven't been making sure you put a multiple of 30 for the message number, try doing that (i.e., starting from a mid-page position might confuse the software).

    Henry
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 07 2008,21:54

    Quote (Henry J @ July 07 2008,22:42)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    (Getting to a deeply buried post more rapidly by changing the message number in the URL appears to break the permalink mechanism - so if I want a permalink I've got to page through the thread)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    If you haven't been making sure you put a multiple of 30 for the message number, try doing that (i.e., starting from a mid-page position might confuse the software).

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That seems to be the case. Thanks.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 10 2008,15:05

    Teh_witch is Teh_moderatrx?

    Black magics, I tells ye!
    Posted by: Kristine on July 10 2008,16:08

    My Bathroom Wall function seems to not work. Sad that I tried using it so quickly!
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 10 2008,16:22

    Quote (Kristine @ July 10 2008,16:08)
    My Bathroom Wall function seems to not work. Sad that I tried using it so quickly!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Just put a hex on her instead!
    Posted by: Kristine on July 10 2008,16:26

    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2008,16:22)
    Quote (Kristine @ July 10 2008,16:08)
    My Bathroom Wall function seems to not work. Sad that I tried using it so quickly!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Just put a hex on her instead!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Love to.
    Posted by: argystokes on July 10 2008,16:53



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Edited by Dr.GH on July 09 2008,22:47
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Is Gary a moderator here now? Or is there a way for all of us to do the edit stamp?
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 10 2008,16:59

    Quote (argystokes @ July 10 2008,16:53)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Edited by Dr.GH on July 09 2008,22:47
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Is Gary a moderator here now? Or is there a way for all of us to do the edit stamp?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Different bits have different mods, I think:

    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....rd.cgi? >
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 10 2008,17:31

    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2008,17:59)
    Quote (argystokes @ July 10 2008,16:53)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Edited by Dr.GH on July 09 2008,22:47
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Is Gary a moderator here now? Or is there a way for all of us to do the edit stamp?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Different bits have different mods, I think:

    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....rd.cgi? >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That's correct, but the stamp is global.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on July 18 2008,07:45

    Shouldn't the original UD thread be stickied to the top?  It would be a shame to let it roll down off the front page.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 18 2008,18:14

    I'd think the parent note of the new thread should have a link to the old thread.

    Henry

    Oh, and ideally, the end of the old thread should have a link to the new thread.
    Posted by: Louis on July 20 2008,04:10

    I had a bit of a thought on the "Unreasonable Kansans" thread: awards.

    TO has it's Chez Watts and POTMs, and I don't think it would be too hard to encourage that here. I often look at the "antievolution" site and think that AtBC is such a tiny part of the serious effort of the site that we could contribute more and more usefully.

    Recently the management insertion of POTW stickers into posts has had a brief renaissance. And Lou has started his "Science Break" thread. Why not combine and formalise all this a bit more?

    Posters suggesting a post for POTW which then gets the illustrious POTW sticker (the in-joke being that 20 POTWs are handed out per day some days!) means that post can be considerd for the POTM. There could be two categories: POTM Science and POTM comedy. Thus keeping in the two best traditions of AtBC. I think it would even encourage better science writing etc. We even have the poll technology available on the board for simplified voting.

    Also there is a tradition of adding outrageous comments to one's sig file. This is a proto-Chez watt of sorts. Why lose those gems when the sig file changes? Why not have them preserved for posterity as an AtBC Chez Watt (or whatever we call it)?

    The revival of the "Brave Sir Robin Award For Running Away" is another addition that can be awarded for something so abundantly common in dealing with IDCists that I think it merits inclusion also. Others may differ!

    So I reckon, if the lords and lady high muckety mucks approve of course {tug forelock, tug forelock}, this could blossom nicely. I reckon there are enough serious regulars here to take a lot of the work on board (not that there is too much, the post could be copied and stored at the same time the POTW award is editted in for example). A sticky thread of POTM could be made, with corresponding non-sticky monthly POTM voting threads, easily. As could threads for other awards.

    I think, if this idea meets with general approval, that we need to decide 3 things:

    1) What awards to have.

    2) Who will administrate them.

    3) How they will be awarded/monitored/managed.

    Thoughts?

    Louis
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 20 2008,20:40

    I like the general idea, Louis.

    If we can work out the details, I'm for it.  As I'm sure you know my time is somewhat more limited lately than it has been in the past, what with writing essays for scholarships and whatnot and school starting in a few short weeks, but I'm game if it doesn't suck up too much time.
    Posted by: Louis on July 21 2008,03:54

    Quote (Lou FCD @ July 21 2008,02:40)
    I like the general idea, Louis.

    If we can work out the details, I'm for it.  As I'm sure you know my time is somewhat more limited lately than it has been in the past, what with writing essays for scholarships and whatnot and school starting in a few short weeks, but I'm game if it doesn't suck up too much time.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great!

    I think I would advocate a "minimal intrusive work" policy for this anyway!

    Like I said above the POTM award would involve nothing more than collating the posts that have been voted in thread to deserve a POTW stamp. The mod who has to insert that stamp could easily copy that post at the same time they stamp it. "Select all-copy-change docs-paste" is a few seconds extra effort. It doesn't even matter if multiple mods have different posts. Once a month, c + p them into a PM to that month's volunteer and bingo. Not a huge amount of work I think you'll agree. Especially as POTWs are handed out on the basis of in thread clamouring/possibly PMs as and when they are written. All the volunteer has to do is properly quote mark the posts sent to them (basically done already), setup a poll, post set a due by date for votes and retire!

    As for Chez Watt (or the new AtBC version), there is a thread of sorts already made by young Ras. A quick retitle, people adding their tardworthy sigs, a cheeky vote for this month's winner from a randomn 10 (suggested by we the readership perhaps) and boom, job done!

    The Brave Sir Robin Award, easy: ask a question 3 times, if the person keeps running away (an honest refusal =/= running away) and pretending they have answered it or have no need to (sans explanation): bingo! The thing awards itself. I predict that there will be months of one person winning it generating comedy comments like "18th yellow streaked month of glory for....".

    Louis
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 21 2008,06:21

    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 18 2008,08:45)
    Shouldn't the original UD thread be stickied to the top?  It would be a shame to let it roll down off the front page.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    My concern is just that if we sticky too many threads, we'll have to scroll half way down the page to get to unskickied threads.

    I suppose four isn't too many, though.  If it doesn't work out, I'll let the Science Shorts thread float.

    ETA:  It's already too many, to my eye.  I'm going to unstick it and I'll discuss it with the other mods and see what we come up with.  Steve makes a similar point < in the Unreasonable Kansans thread >.


    Posted by: Henry J on July 21 2008,11:36

    What about just having the parent note of the new UD thread link to the first or last (or both) pages of the old thread?

    And perhaps have the last note of the old thread link to the beginning of the new thread.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 21 2008,13:56

    I've added a couple of lines of links in the forum view. If those are not too disruptive, we could unsticky everything and just add links there.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 21 2008,20:58

    I have to say, i'm liking the no stickies. It's more convenient to just look at the top of the list, rather than compare the update info for the top several threads.
    Posted by: Bob O'H on July 22 2008,01:27

    Shouldn't this thread, at least, be stickied?  Better to only have one meta-thread like this, and it's liable to drift off the first page otherwise.
    Posted by: stevestory on July 22 2008,01:34

    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 22 2008,02:27)
    Shouldn't this thread, at least, be stickied?  Better to only have one meta-thread like this, and it's liable to drift off the first page otherwise.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'll sticky your thread.


    Posted by: Leftfield on July 22 2008,12:20

    For me at least the new links (to the former stickies) go to the first page of the linked threads. Can the 1 2 3 . . . 291 292 293 be reproduced in the links area of the page, to give the user direct access to the latest pages as well as the first?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2008,12:37

    Quote (Leftfield @ July 22 2008,12:20)
    For me at least the new links (to the former stickies) go to the first page of the linked threads. Can the 1 2 3 . . . 291 292 293 be reproduced in the links area of the page, to give the user direct access to the latest pages as well as the first?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not easily. When I get more time, I'll have another look.

    In the meantime, you click on the link, then click on the ">" symbol, and that will get you to the final page.
    Posted by: Leftfield on July 23 2008,13:41

    I said:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Can the 1 2 3 . . . 291 292 293 be reproduced in the links area of the page, to give the user direct access to the latest pages as well as the first?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    After getting used to the new layout for a couple of days, I've changed my mind. I don't think what I requested is really needed. Most of the time I want to look at the latest pages of a stickied thread. Since they still appear in the main list, with the page numbers, they are easy enough to access there. The original UD thread will drift down, but there aren't any new messages to see there, so a link to the first page in it is as good as any other.

    So, never mind.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 01 2008,14:51

    "Legion" showed up again today, despite being a banned user. The spewage is cleaned up now.
    Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 01 2008,18:08

    I was wondering who that was. IP somewhere in TX or KS. Didn't have time to look further.
    Posted by: khan on Aug. 10 2008,19:37

    I have received an email from someone offering to educate me on creationism.

    I think it tracks from here.

    Should I report it, post it...?

    (I don't feel threatened.)
    Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 10 2008,21:00

    i got one too, a link to a godtube video

    Creation - A Historical Reality
    guiguysjohn



    Group: Probationers
    Posts: 0
    Joined: Aug. 2008
    Posted: Aug. 10 2008,18:52
    I have put together a short presentation on creation and I am wondering whether you might be interested in reviewing it?

    < http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=582eeb375acf271f9c86 >

    Thank you,

    John Phillips

    haven't looked at it yet.  is this what you meant khan?
    Posted by: Gunthernacus on Aug. 11 2008,15:12

    I have (what I hope is) a silly question.  When I'm logged in, I cannot see the relatively new links bar for "stickied" threads.  But when logged out, it is there.  I have cleared my cookies, to no avail.

    ETA:  I use Firefox v3
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Aug. 11 2008,15:23

    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 10 2008,21:00)
    i got one too, a link to a godtube video

    Creation - A Historical Reality
    guiguysjohn
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I got it as well, and deleted it.
    Posted by: khan on Aug. 11 2008,16:36

    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 10 2008,22:00)
    i got one too, a link to a godtube video

    Creation - A Historical Reality
    guiguysjohn



    Group: Probationers
    Posts: 0
    Joined: Aug. 2008
    Posted: Aug. 10 2008,18:52
    I have put together a short presentation on creation and I am wondering whether you might be interested in reviewing it?

    < http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=582eeb375acf271f9c86 >

    Thank you,

    John Phillips

    haven't looked at it yet.  is this what you meant khan?
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    Yes that's the one.

    How many people were contacted by the creotard?
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 12 2008,11:16



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    At 3:34 in the morning? Are most of the readers here insomniacs? :p
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Aug. 13 2008,10:09

    Bots.
    Posted by: Louis on Aug. 13 2008,10:32

    Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 13 2008,16:09)
    Bots.
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    {Insert standard response}

    {Insert LOLcat}

    {Print text = "Dembski's argument falls down" {insert standard rebuttal of Teh Argument Regarding DesignTeleology old enough to give Bertrand Russell pause}

    {Insert image "fat bloke"}

    {Print text = "HA HA THIS IS YOU!!!!one111!!"}

    Louis

    P.S. Is it staggeringly obvious I know nothing about programming?

    P.P.S. 3 am EST is about 9am GMT. Many of AtBC's UK fans are usually getting coffee at this point and staring dejectedly at something.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Sep. 04 2008,10:40

    I don't know where else to put this and this is the closest place.  I have been having minor problems with my PC.  Some programs like Firefox, Outlook, and Quicktime have either been unable to start or crash sometime after starting.  Additionally, when I <CTRL-ALT-DEL> to get the task manager, I only get the part of the task manager that shows the running user software and doesn't show all the background tasks that are running.  I am thinking that I may be having problems with my OS and was thinking of re-installing Windows XP.  Will this help potentially?  Will I have to re-install all my aftermarket software?

    Also, my XP installation disk came with my now-retired Dell computer and sasys it is for installation only on a Dell computer.  My current computer was built from parts by a local company and they ghosted my old hard drive over to the new drive so my existing setup is identical to my old. Will I have any problems using the "Dell specific" reinstallation CD?

    Thanks and sorry for the off-topic post.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 04 2008,10:44

    Carlson - try a 'system restore' from a date when you know your PC was working well.

    Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > System restore
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Sep. 04 2008,10:51

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2008,10:44)
    Carlson - try a 'system restore' from a date when you know your PC was working well.

    Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > System restore
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks, but no go.  The task manager problem goes back about a year and the problem with programs crashing about a month. I don't have any restore points back that far.

    I guess I need to establish a repair point when (if) I ever get this resolved.  Apparently, having a back-up drive isn't sufficient.

    Thanks, though.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 04 2008,10:57

    Silly, but you never know:

    there are tabs on the top of task manager for user and system tasks - just in case you didn't check there..
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Sep. 04 2008,11:01

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2008,10:57)
    Silly, but you never know:

    there are tabs on the top of task manager for user and system tasks - just in case you didn't check there..
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    Thank you, but I am not a complete moron.  ;)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 04 2008,11:58

    I haven't tried putting the Dell OEM WinXP on a non-Dell machine, but I would think that they put that warning in as boiler-plate. When you get a CD or DVD that is a disk image of an installed system, then there would likely be trouble, but WinXP is pretty much WinXP, so far as I know.

    Mucking about with the Task Manager is a favored trick of malware. Have you been running a couple of spybot detection/removal programs in addition to antivirus?
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 04 2008,12:26

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 04 2008,11:58)
    I haven't tried putting the Dell OEM WinXP on a non-Dell machine, but I would think that they put that warning in as boiler-plate. When you get a CD or DVD that is a disk image of an installed system, then there would likely be trouble, but WinXP is pretty much WinXP, so far as I know.

    Mucking about with the Task Manager is a favored trick of malware. Have you been running a couple of spybot detection/removal programs in addition to antivirus?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Isn't there a 'repair' option as part of the install on the CD (IIRC)?
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Sep. 04 2008,12:34

    I'm a veteran of about 50 XP repairs and reinstalls. The most critical thing is to make sure you don't change the CD key on a machine that has been activated. This is sometimes problematic when you have a machine cobbled together from bits and parts.

    There are a couple of programs -- one of them happily named Keyfinder -- that will tell you what is installed. I have found that Dells and Gateways often have a key installed that doesn't match the sticker on the side of the computer.

    The next problem is making sure your CD key matches the type of installation CD. There are numerous kinds of installation CDs. Windows comes in two flavors, Home and Pro. For each flavor there are three colors, Retail, OEM and Upgrade. That makes six possible CDs, and each is tied to a specific list of keys. To make it even more fun, there are three versions -- Original, SP1 and SP2. If you can find an SP2 CD, that's the one to use. Keys are not tied to version.

    The next problem is that except for the Retail versions, activation seems to be tied to either the hard drive or the motherboard, or both. Sometimes you have to call Microsoft and fight with them over activation. The OEM versions are technically tied to the original hardware, so if you get into a fight over activation, you better be aware that Dell CD keys cannot be transferred to a new computer.

    Now, I have worked around most of these activation issues, with only a couple of failures. For OEM installations, MS seems to allow you to put an old hard drive into a new computer. Or to replace a dead hard drive in the same computer. Or upgrade a hard drive. But if you do too many of these things too quickly, you can find yourself on the phone.

    There is a secret version of reinstall called Repair. (This may only work for Professional. that's all I work with.) To do a Repair, you boot from the CD, follow the menus for installation. After the installation script finds an existing installation it will ask if you want to repair it. If you say yes, it replaces all the system files, but leaves all your third party programs untouched and still installed. It will look exactly like an install, even asking for your CD key. If your key doesn't match the CD version, or the version already installed, the repair will fail, leaving a mess.

    I have managed to repair a lot of computers that were trashed by viruses or disk errors, mostly because I stick to one flavor of Windows, OEM Pro. All my headaches have occurred when someone bought a cheap Dell for office use, and the Home version had to be upgraded to Pro. This route sucks. It's cheaper in the long run to buy a copy of Pro and do a clean install.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Sep. 04 2008,12:49

    I recently built half a dozen new computers to replace an assortment of five year old business computers -- Dells, Gateways, eMachine and such.

    All of these involved new motherboards with different CPUs. For these, I simply installed the old hard drive in the new machine.

    Before even attempting to boot these, I booted from a Windows CD and did the repair process. (Needless to say, based on long and painful experience, I recorded the CD keys while the old machines were still running.)

    This almost always gets Windows running correctly. Next, you install the motherboard drivers, just as you would if building a completely new machine. The only thing left is to run all the windows updates. These may already be downloaded, so the installation may go a bit quicker.

    Several of these machines had replacement hard drives. I think if you wait a few months between hardware updates you don't get activation issues. If you replace the hard drive and the motherboard at the same time you can find yourself on the phone.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 06 2008,12:27

    I'd like 'moved to the bathroom wall' tags to be name-stamped by the admins that move them, please. UD at least puts names to actions.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 06 2008,12:51

    Often you can tell who did the moving by going to the main page
    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....rd.cgi? >

    and seeing who's around.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 06 2008,12:56

    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 06 2008,12:51)
    Often you can tell who did the moving by going to the main page
    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....rd.cgi? >

    and seeing who's around.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Wes is anononanonymous and a paper trail is probably a good thing, in the interests of transparency.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 06 2008,13:55

    The signing on BW move is operational.

    If you want to discuss moderation issues, take it up in PM or email.

    Check the rules. This stuff will be deleted in the future. Don't invest a lot of time into comments on moderation posted into public threads; they won't stick around long.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 17 2008,21:53

    Let us goes and sees how teh board is doing:



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    90 guests, 3 Public Members and 1 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ]
    >stevestory >Reciprocating Bill >keiths

    Most users ever online was 1043 on Aug. 12 2008,05:34
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    Okay quick check against teh competetars:

    < http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/ >



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    n total there are 2 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 2 Guests   [ Administrator ]   [ Moderator ]
    Most users ever online was 39 on Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:38 am
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    < http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/ >



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    Who's online
    There are currently 0 users and 1 guest online.

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    < http://www.iscid.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=pntf >



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    Mebbe thay should calls it "ISCID BOREDS" LULS!!!!!!!!111111111

    All quiets on teh tard front
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 19 2008,21:31

    that's weird. Right now i can get everywhere in FF, including PT, but not here. In IE I can get here. And yeah, I cleared Cache.
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 19 2008,21:51

    Hmm...now i can get here in FF. Weird.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 21 2008,12:15

    Is there any chance we might be able to get subscript and superscript code going on the board?

    I for one would find it immensely helpful and somewhat less confusing in the Bio 111 thread, for instance.

    (Editated for punctuashualmation.)


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 21 2008,14:46

    Fun with [ sup ] and [ sub ].

    x<sub>1</sub> = y<sup>2</sup>

    ETA: Interesting. It worked in Preview... it probably converted then, and the HTML got clobbered by entity translation.

    I'll send it straight to the board this time:

    x1 = y2


    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 21 2008,14:51

    test:

    normal1
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 21 2008,16:38

    Thanks 2


    Posted by: Louis on Sep. 21 2008,18:15

    I can has chemistry?

    H2O

    Louis

    Edited for celebrations and incompetence:

    Let's get our C2H5OH on!
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 21 2008,18:16

    If you remember the / character, you can.
    Posted by: Louis on Sep. 21 2008,18:17

    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2008,00:16)
    If you remember the / character, you can.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Damn you caught me!

    LOL!

    Louis
    Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 21 2008,18:17

    Dang, now my comment doesn't make sense because Louis used the edit button to rewrite history, much like his hero FtK.

    ETA:  :D


    Posted by: Louis on Sep. 21 2008,18:19

    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2008,00:17)
    Dang, now my comment doesn't make sense because Louis used the edit button to rewrite history, much like his hero FtK.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ouchie!

    a) I marked my edit.

    b) I admitted to my error.

    c) FTK =/= my hero.

    Your attempt at comparison and humour = FAIL.



    Louis

    ETA Picture
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 21 2008,19:20



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    I can has chemistry?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Certainly. It is after all an elementary subject.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 24 2008,23:07

    10 log10 (p2 / p0 )

    Previewed and posted... I think that fixes the preview problem.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 25 2008,06:39

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 25 2008,00:07)
    10 log10 (p2 / p0 )

    Previewed and posted... I think that fixes the preview problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks.

    When I get a moment, I'll have Janie send you a great big peek above her garters.
    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 06 2008,17:20

    Wesley, Steve, Lou, Kristine,

    Pretty serious clean up needed on aisle 5 (the Abiogenesis thread).

    Someone managed to post some hardcore porn. I've PMed Wesley.

    Incidentally Arden's browser is stuck on that thread, if you could help him out....

    Louis
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 06 2008,17:32

    fixed. thanks.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Oct. 06 2008,19:37

    damn. I was in class and missed it.

    Anything good?
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 06 2008,19:41

    Not really. Kind of a hodge podge. Mostly links.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Oct. 06 2008,21:18

    I am curious about the fact that some people don't have an edit button.  Is this something that is actually activated on a case-by-case basis?  Are there criteria upon which this is based?  Is this a reasonable public question, or would someone like to explain via PM?

    Thanks
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 06 2008,23:13



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    I was in class and missed it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    That's ironic - missing the biology lesson due to being in biology class. :D

    Henry
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 06 2008,23:14



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    I am curious about the fact that some people don't have an edit button.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Most long-time users have an edit button. Recently registered users don't.

    Some forums have a time limit on how long a post or reply can be edited after it was posted. Seems like that feature might reduce the amount of maintenance needed for a forum.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 06 2008,23:58

    Between spammers trying to get links on the board and people thinking that the way to win arguments is to reshape the Infinitely Plastic Past, newly registered users get set up with membership in the "Probationers" group. Probationers can PM and respond to existing topics in AtBC. They cannot start new topics and they cannot edit their comments. Up until this week, the restriction on topic creation did a great job of reducing spam on the board.

    Adding the edit button is a matter of changing a user's group membership. I have to do that personally, and it's about ten clicks worth of menu navigation plus entering the username to search on. We tend to do that if someone has been posting for a while, seems not likely to abuse the privileges, and asks for it.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Oct. 07 2008,06:52

    Thanks for the explanation about the edit button.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 08 2008,13:35

    Anybody else feel that when using a computer in a public place, where someone walking by may glance over at your screen and see, in huge letters, ANTIEVOLUTION, perhaps there's a good chance the glancer would form exactly the wrong impression about you?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2008,13:44

    Hmmm. Do you have a suggestion for a change in header graphic?
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Oct. 08 2008,13:47

    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2008,13:35)
    Anybody else feel that when using a computer in a public place, where someone walking by may glance over at your screen and see, in huge letters, ANTIEVOLUTION, perhaps there's a good chance the glancer would form exactly the wrong impression about you?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes and, having done so recently in several airports, I have been curious what kind of conversations might result because of it and the reaction I might get by proclaiming myself a Darwinist. Alas, no one has brought the subject up.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 08 2008,13:48

    What? You expect someone griping to have a constructive suggestion?

    You haven't been on the intertubs much have you?

    :p
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 08 2008,14:07

    how about this?




    Posted by: Ftk on Oct. 08 2008,21:50

    Screw you, Steve.  How would you like it if some loon was fucking with you *constantly*?  Why act respectable when I'm dealing with stalker that is *anything* but respectful???  I'm not kidding around.  I'm *seriously* pissed about this.

    I can't believe you locked my thread because I'm upset with Blipey's insanity.  I'm at my wits end with that jerk.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 08 2008,22:18

    The thread is reopened now. Everyone act like adults please.
    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 09 2008,08:41

    Ignoring FTK's latest hysteria and mental meltdown for the moment, our friendly local abiogenesis thread spammer is back.

    Unfortunately he or she has posted the same pictures as last time, and whilst they were fascinating, repetition is less than fulsomely desirable. If someone with power could remove the spam, or at least replace it with something novel, I would be intensely grateful.

    Not grateful enough to perform the acts depicted in the spam you understand, just generally well disposed.

    Cheers

    Louis
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 09 2008,09:00

    The spammer likes to promote ###########.net.

    Or link to ###########.net.


    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 09 2008,09:04

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 09 2008,15:00)
    The spammer likes to promote ###########.net.

    <a href="###########.net" target="_blank">Or link to ###########.net</a>.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    {doffs cap}

    Thankee kindly, sir.

    Louis
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 09 2008,09:19

    Unfortunately, I doubt that will inconvenience Mr. Spammer unduly. We'll just need to look out for his next approach. He'll need a different domain to promote than ###########.net, though.
    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 09 2008,09:35

    Something somewhere is awry. I tried to reply to the above post and got told I had posted too many images.

    This came as something of a surprise as I had posted no images.

    Louis
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 09 2008,09:46

    No, that's a little puzzle for Mr. Spammer to work out.
    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 09 2008,10:02

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 09 2008,15:46)
    No, that's a little puzzle for Mr. Spammer to work out.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ahhhhhhhh wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.*

    Louis

    * Pathetic attempt to pretend that the subtleties of computer science are not utterly opaque to me.
    Posted by: dnmlthr on Oct. 09 2008,16:10

    < Penile dysfunction drug spammer in the telic thoughts thread >

    ETA: Two fake-quoting spammers within a day or two, must be a new bot around.
    Posted by: dnmlthr on Oct. 11 2008,11:59

    < More spam >

    Should I stop linking to the spam here, or is it a good idea?
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 11 2008,12:21

    the best thing to do is use the 'report this post to a moderator' button.
    Posted by: dnmlthr on Oct. 11 2008,14:22

    Point taken. I had succeeded in completely missing that link all this time(!)
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Oct. 11 2008,14:38

    Quote (dnmlthr @ Oct. 11 2008,15:22)
    Point taken. I had succeeded in completely missing that link all this time(!)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Insert "missing link" joke here. As this is a transitional forum.

    I'll get my coat.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 14 2008,23:16

    WTF is wrong with Firefox 3. It won't stop chewing on my hard drive. It's irritating as hell. I can even close out all tabs, and sit there, and the hard drive just churns, and churns, and churns. It's relentless. When FF3 first came out, I tried it, and after and hour of listening to my harddrive I went back to 2. I hoped that misbehavior would be fixed by now. Apparently not. Back to Version 2 again.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2008,08:23

    I added a CAPTCHA field to the registration form here, so hopefully that will slow down the spammers a bit.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 20 2008,08:36

    Since the FF3 debacle, I'm having all kinds of weirdo problems. Now the buttons an inch above this field don't work. Neither clicking on them with the mouse nor the keyboard shortcuts do anything. If I manually type out the tags they still work though.
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Oct. 20 2008,08:42

    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 20 2008,08:36)
    Since the FF3 debacle, I'm having all kinds of weirdo problems. Now the buttons an inch above this field don't work. Neither clicking on them with the mouse nor the keyboard shortcuts do anything. If I manually type out the tags they still work though.
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    The buttons don't work for me in FF3, but they had previously worked in FF3, so I am not sure it is a Firefox problem.

    Good thing I am used to typing HTML tags; I never used the buttons much anyway :-)
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Oct. 20 2008,08:56

    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 20 2008,08:36)
    Since the FF3 debacle, I'm having all kinds of weirdo problems. Now the buttons an inch above this field don't work. Neither clicking on them with the mouse nor the keyboard shortcuts do anything. If I manually type out the tags they still work though.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I can't get them to work in either Firefox 3 or IE6
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 20 2008,09:16

    Huh. I guess it's not just me.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2008,09:34

    The buttons are dependent upon Javascript.

    However, I know that I just did some editing recently when checking the "Comic Sans" font situation that involved using the buttons, and they worked for me then. They aren't now. So I have to think about what changes I've made recently in the code base and whether any of that might be a cause for why all the Javascript fails to work now.
    Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 20 2008,09:54

    i thought i had perpetuated unforgivable transgressions, and maybe i have, but i also had the same problem with quotes, links and images.  still a problem.  fortunately i know the codes too.
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Oct. 20 2008,20:07

    Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 20 2008,06:56)
    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 20 2008,08:36)
    Since the FF3 debacle, I'm having all kinds of weirdo problems. Now the buttons an inch above this field don't work. Neither clicking on them with the mouse nor the keyboard shortcuts do anything. If I manually type out the tags they still work though.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I can't get them to work in either Firefox 3 or IE6
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Likewise. *None* of the formatting buttons work for me, in either IE or Safari. But I can type out the formatting manually. I first noticed this 2 days ago.

    I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 20 2008,23:00

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
    I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

    Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2008,23:11

    The buttons are back. My attempted fix to Comic had busted them.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 20 2008,23:12

    I'm sure everyone recognizes my little attempt at humor...

    (looks around nervously)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2008,23:28

    I wish I had something sippable and somewhat alcoholic. We're too broke for beer at the moment.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2008,23:30

    I just noticed the Firefox "Error Console" function under "Tools". That helped a bunch in tracking down the button problem.
    Posted by: Louis on Oct. 21 2008,02:30

    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,05:00)
    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
    I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

    Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    But but but Steve, I thought you loved me?

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

    Louis
    Posted by: J-Dog on Oct. 21 2008,06:58

    Quote (Louis @ Oct. 21 2008,02:30)
    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,05:00)
    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
    I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

    Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    But but but Steve, I thought you loved me?

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Oh, we think he does love you Louis.  We're just not sure if it is the wholesome -type romantic love he's searching for.
    Posted by: BopDiddy on Oct. 21 2008,07:06

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2008,23:30)
    I just noticed the Firefox "Error Console" function under "Tools". That helped a bunch in tracking down the button problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    For me, professional nerd, < Firebug > rocks.  Integrates cleanly with Firefox.  Check it out.
    Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 21 2008,10:12

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2008,23:28)
    I wish I had something sippable and somewhat alcoholic. We're too broke for beer at the moment.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------




    Hey, it works for Arden!

    buttons working!  thou rocketh, plurally.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 24 2008,23:42

    It's been a few days since I added the CAPTCHA stuff to the registration process here. Has anyone successfully registered with that in place? I just noticed that there have been no registration requests left pending since then, and we had been averaging four or five of those per hour before. So either the system is working great and the bots are being held at bay, or the system is busted and nobody at all is able to register.
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 25 2008,01:00

    Well, maybe you could get yourself a temporary email id and try to register a new id using that.

    Henry
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 27 2008,22:39

    I've noticed a minor glitch in the way PT tracks what's old and what's new in a thread. If the last couple of replies in a thread have the same time stamp, it will show one of them when the thread is first loaded, then when the refresh button is hit, it shows through the last one, and says "1 new reply". Ideally, it should do that behavior only once, then on following days it should just show all the replies on first load, and no new replies on refresh.

    For example, "The double edge sword" (By PvM on February 6, 2008 1:32 PM   | 52 Comments  | No TrackBacks) does this.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 28 2008,14:49

    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 25 2008,01:00)
    Well, maybe you could get yourself a temporary email id and try to register a new id using that.

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It is easier to ask, though apparently less effective.
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 31 2008,12:07

    Was the PT & AtBC server down for an hour or two this morning, or was that just me?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 04 2008,00:43

    Apparently there was another porn-spam comment entered today.

    I could go over to the database and do something like switch people to non-posting guest access if they haven't ever posted and registered more than some number of months ago. I think I can write an SQL statement to do that. But... is that going to inconvenience anyone unduly? I wouldn't think so, but I thought I would mention it before simply nuking a bunch of accounts.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 04 2008,00:44

    Yes, we had an outage on the server the other day. Sorry for the downtime. I don't like it either; it means I don't get my email, too.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 04 2008,10:51

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 04 2008,01:43)
    Apparently there was another porn-spam comment entered today.

    I could go over to the database and do something like switch people to non-posting guest access if they haven't ever posted and registered more than some number of months ago. I think I can write an SQL statement to do that. But... is that going to inconvenience anyone unduly? I wouldn't think so, but I thought I would mention it before simply nuking a bunch of accounts.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nuke 'em, Duke.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Nov. 27 2008,10:39

    Is there any way to get either this site or Uncommon Descent to do the RSS feed thing (which I know nothing about) so I would get notified of new posts?  Any help explaining how RSS feeds work would be much appreciated.
    Posted by: JLT on Nov. 27 2008,13:54

    Do you have Firefox? Then there is an orange icon in the adress line, a dot with two bows, if the page you're looking at does have an RSS feed (maybe there is something similar in IE?). If you click on it a new page will open and ask you whether you want to get this RSS feed and gives you some options (in my case Google reader, My Yahoo and Bloglines). I use Google reader which is IMO easy to use and well arranged, but you need a Google account for it. You can open one < here >.

    If there is an RSS icon on the page itself (on ATBC there is one at the top right) you can click on that and get the same options (if using firefox, don't know about IE). Another possibility is to right-click on it and Save link address. Than you can add this link manually to the feed reader of your choice.

    If you don't want to get a Google account then another option is Wizz RSS, that's an Firefox add-on (< Download >). It opens in a sidebar in Firefox and adds a toolbar. I don't like the toolbar because it takes away space. You can close it with a right click on the toolbar and uncheck Wizz toolbar. Under options (where you can uncheck the toolbar) you can find a small Wizz icon and drag & drop it where ever it fits, so you can open the Wizz sidebar with a click on that icon. Wizz has a RSS feed search function and if it finds a feed you can add it simply by drag & drop. I used it for quite a while and still like it but if you read a lot of feeds than IMO Google is more convenient.

    I know that you can use Thunderbird as a feedreader, too, but I've never tried it.  I think you have to add a new account for RSS feeds and than add the RSS feed addresses manually.

    New posts on ATBC < http://www.antievolution.org/aebbrss.php >

    New posts on UD < http://www.uncommondescent.com/feed/ >

    New comments on UD < http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-commentsrss2.php >

    I hope that helps you to get started.
    Or at least didn't confuse you.
    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 27 2008,14:58

    I used RSS feeds many years ago, but I found them to be sometimes annoying. Slate, for instance, their article titles were often completely uninformative about what the article was about, and I couldn't tell if it was interesting or not. So I quit using RSS years ago and have little idea what it's like now. I do have one question, though. Is there a way to rig up RSS in such a way that every so many hours it preserves the new comments at UD in such a way that if the comment is deleted, the RSS won't go back and delete it next time it updates?
    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 27 2008,15:23

    btw, if anybody out there is very familiar with using the Windows CMD line, please PM me. I have a question, and I can't find the answer on any sites I've looked on.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Nov. 27 2008,15:27

    Thanks, JLT.  That's exactly what I wanted to know.  I'm using my email client, Mail on a Mac, and I needed the URL you rpovided for UD comments.  It all got setup easily and in moments.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Nov. 27 2008,15:41

    Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?
    Posted by: JLT on Nov. 27 2008,15:47

    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 27 2008,20:58)
    I used RSS feeds many years ago, but I found them to be sometimes annoying. Slate, for instance, their article titles were often completely uninformative about what the article was about, and I couldn't tell if it was interesting or not. So I quit using RSS years ago and have little idea what it's like now. I do have one question, though. Is there a way to rig up RSS in such a way that every so many hours it preserves the new comments at UD in such a way that if the comment is deleted, the RSS won't go back and delete it next time it updates?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    A lot of the feeds from commercial sites still just have the title and maybe a single line summary of the article. But many blogs (even UD) do have the whole post (and comments) as feed. I just delete feeds from my reader that don't give me more than the title.

    Google reader doesn't have the option to save all posts from one feed but let's say you opened GR in the morning and looked at some amusing UD comments/posts and later in the day some of them are obliviated on UD, then you can still find them in your GR in most of the cases. But if you didn't look at GR in the morning than GR hasn't updated your feeds and you'd never see those comments/posts that were obliviated in the meantime*.

    It may be easier with a feed reader that can work offline, like Thunderbird. I think Thunderbird actually downloads the posts/comments to make them available to you when you are offline. If you were online all the time it would download all the posts/comments as soon as they are posted and than they are stored until you delete them. But as I said earlier, I haven't used Thunderbird as a feed reader, yet, so I don't know for sure.**

    * I hope that sentence makes sense, I'm not too sure about the grammar... and my computer-related vocabulary isn't that extensive. I blame Thanksgiving. If all those interwebs-savvy Americans weren't eating Turkey all day long they could answer your question probably much better than poor me...

    ** See above.
    Posted by: JLT on Nov. 27 2008,15:58

    Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 27 2008,21:41)
    Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    There is a time delay between the moment the post or comment is posted and the moment it's available over feed and some sites seem to update their feed more frequent than others. AtBC is especially slow - or maybe the posters are exceptionally fast...
    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 27 2008,16:12

    I'm taking a look at Wget right now.
    Posted by: Jkrebs on Nov. 27 2008,16:24

    Things are coming in now.  I set my RSS to check every five minutes.  This is quite handy, as I have my email open all the time.  Thanks to all for the help.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 27 2008,22:17

    Quote (JLT @ Nov. 27 2008,15:58)
    Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 27 2008,21:41)
    Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    There is a time delay between the moment the post or comment is posted and the moment it's available over feed and some sites seem to update their feed more frequent than others. AtBC is especially slow - or maybe the posters are exceptionally fast...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't see how that's possible. The system is dynamic. Each posted comment adds an entry to a data file. Each call to the "aebbrss.php" script opens the data file and outputs it in the RSS XML format.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 27 2008,22:20

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 27 2008,23:17)
    I don't see how that's possible. The system is dynamic. Each posted comment adds an entry to a data file. Each call to the "aebbrss.php" script opens the data file and outputs it in the RSS XML format.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nevertheless, I often read here by RSS, and there is in fact a delay of several minutes or longer.

    ETA: Just loaded up google reader fresh, and neither your comment nor mine appears yet, although my comment in the libations and comestibles thread from 20 minutes ago does.


    Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 27 2008,22:25

    google is probably keeping a local cache of it dum-dums
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 27 2008,22:45

    I can't vouch for the schedule a third-party service updates the RSS feed from here. If you directly open the RSS from this server, there should be no discernible delay between post and appearance in the RSS feed.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 30 2008,05:49

    Sorry for the outage. That comes of messing with MySQL admin stuff in the middle of the night.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 30 2008,15:44

    There's a new firewall in place, and a new internet-accessible power strip for those times when a good, hard reboot is needed ... from a distance.

    Unfortunately, there seems to be a new problem with the server that handles the email. Still working on that.

    Update: It was a cable issue. Sometimes, you just need to have someone on location.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 10 2008,18:41

    The company that hosts the TalkOrigins Archive is migrating to a different data center. The site should be back up after another three hours or so.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 10 2008,23:49

    Well, I've run into an apparent Catch-22. I can't get logged into the domain registrar to change the TOA IP address until the registrar can email my new password to... a talkorigins.org address. I don't know whether Lunarpages set up any machine to forward mail from the previous IP address. I have a ticket in on this at Lunarpages, but they aren't going to be available until morning. This could be a royal pain to get resolved.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Dec. 11 2008,11:32

    Bill Gates recommends writing passwords down as a better alternative than using weak passwords.

    I should talk. I find myself frequently asking to have a password emailed to me. Obviously much less secure than having a written list that's not on the net.
    Posted by: dpheddle on Dec. 11 2008,16:24

    Arrgggghhhh It happened again.

    First I was heddle--then that account went bad (can log in but no messages, cannot post)

    Then for the longest time I was dheddle  --and now the same thing has happened to that account. Hint: I updated my email. After that, I can log in but the dheddle account is lobotomized.

    So I made a dpheddle account just to post this message--but I want to be dheddle, dammit!

    Anyway to fix this problem?
    Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 11 2008,16:40

    Quote (dpheddle @ Dec. 11 2008,14:24)
    Arrgggghhhh It happened again.

    First I was heddle--then that account went bad (can log in but no messages, cannot post)

    Then for the longest time I was dheddle  --and now the same thing has happened to that account. Hint: I updated my email. After that, I can log in but the dheddle account is lobotomized.

    So I made a dpheddle account just to post this message--but I want to be dheddle, dammit!

    Anyway to fix this problem?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I say make a virtue out of necessity. When your original account starts working again, log on under both names and start arguments with yourself. Maybe even have one of the accounts demand that the other be banned.
    Posted by: dpheddle on Dec. 11 2008,16:43

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 11 2008,16:40)
    Quote (dpheddle @ Dec. 11 2008,14:24)
    Arrgggghhhh It happened again.

    First I was heddle--then that account went bad (can log in but no messages, cannot post)

    Then for the longest time I was dheddle  --and now the same thing has happened to that account. Hint: I updated my email. After that, I can log in but the dheddle account is lobotomized.

    So I made a dpheddle account just to post this message--but I want to be dheddle, dammit!

    Anyway to fix this problem?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I say make a virtue out of necessity. When your original account starts working again, log on under both names and start arguments with yourself. Maybe even have one of the accounts demand that the other be banned.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Both names? Now I have three names, and can't edit with the only one that works, this one.
    Posted by: EyeNoU on Dec. 11 2008,16:45

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 11 2008,16:40)
    Quote (dpheddle @ Dec. 11 2008,14:24)
    Arrgggghhhh It happened again.

    First I was heddle--then that account went bad (can log in but no messages, cannot post)

    Then for the longest time I was dheddle  --and now the same thing has happened to that account. Hint: I updated my email. After that, I can log in but the dheddle account is lobotomized.

    So I made a dpheddle account just to post this message--but I want to be dheddle, dammit!

    Anyway to fix this problem?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I say make a virtue out of necessity. When your original account starts working again, log on under both names and start arguments with yourself. Maybe even have one of the accounts demand that the other be banned.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Only 47 more and Erasmus will be a very happy man.....
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 12 2008,12:26

    Interim TOA access is now available via

    < http://toarchive.org >

    Thanks to Douglas Theobald for loaning us his domain name.
    Posted by: Tony M Nyphot on Dec. 12 2008,12:43

    Thanks Douglas.

    Thanks Wes.

    I have not visited the TO site since it was hacked. I followed your link just to catch up on one of my favorite sections, the "Post of the Month" archive.

    The scary thing is, one of my favorites was from < March 2005 >, which just goes to show how long I've been addicted to watching the deconstruction of TARD.

    I suppose thanking Wes is like a junkie thanking his supplier.
    Posted by: RickK on Dec. 13 2008,08:24

    Wow, just found this forum and had to jump in and say a HUGE "Thank You" to Wesley for providing the amazing Talk Origins website.  I use it many times per day for reference material to help fight the unbelievable flood of creationist nonsense.  You should be very proud of your contribution to truth and reason.

    Good luck with the technical problems.

    RickK
    Posted by: JonF on Dec. 19 2008,08:33

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 12 2008,13:26)
    Interim TOA access is now available via

    < http://toarchive.org >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not working ... redirects to Lunarpages web hosting.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 19 2008,10:47

    Quote (JonF @ Dec. 19 2008,08:33)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 12 2008,13:26)
    Interim TOA access is now available via

    < http://toarchive.org >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not working ... redirects to Lunarpages web hosting.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Hmmm. Calling tech support...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 19 2008,21:20

    I've been on the phone twice and entered a ticket online. This is just weird, since nothing has changed about the toarchive.org DNS and it was serving fine earlier this week. It took just minutes for Lunarpages to set up the toarchive.org domain and have it serving pages a week ago. They have spent all day today without getting the domain working. I'm told that the ticket will be worked on over the weekend.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 23 2008,10:56

    The < http://toarchive.org/ > link is working again, one email support ticket and six "please hold" calls to tech support later. I was told on three separate occasions that my ticket was being "escalated" to administrator attention. The email I got at the close of the ticket had something about "fixing" the domain's zone record... something that makes no sense, since the hosting service is not the domain registrar for the toarchive.org domain and has no ability to change SOA or DNS records for the domain.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Dec. 23 2008,11:01

    Don't lose that password again. And use gmail or something for your contact address. ;)
    Posted by: dnmlthr on Dec. 23 2008,11:03

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 23 2008,16:56)
    The < http://toarchive.org/ > link is working again, one email support ticket and six "please hold" calls to tech support later. I was told on three separate occasions that my ticket was being "escalated" to administrator attention. The email I got at the close of the ticket had something about "fixing" the domain's zone record... something that makes no sense, since the hosting service is not the domain registrar for the toarchive.org domain and has no ability to change SOA or DNS records for the domain.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nice!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 05 2009,12:45

    The QuickLinks section now will take you to the last page of a topic iff the topic is also shown in the current view. I'll have to think some more about getting last page info for the rest.

    ETA: Part of what I did set up default values, so I added current last page numbers for everything.


    Posted by: DMB on Jan. 21 2009,10:25

    Why am I refused the ability to reply to some threads? Is it because of their age?
    Posted by: Kristine on Jan. 21 2009,10:56

    Quote (DMB @ Jan. 21 2009,10:25)
    Why am I refused the ability to reply to some threads? Is it because of their age?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That shouldn't be a problem if they're not closed.
    *Scratches head*
    Posted by: DMB on Jan. 21 2009,11:33

    I wanted to reply to this thread:

    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....=1;t=40 >

    It is old, but I can't see any indication that it is closed. Is there something wrong with my eyesight?
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 21 2009,11:40

    that thread seems to work for me.
    Posted by: DMB on Jan. 21 2009,11:43

    I keep getting



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Sorry, you do not have permission to reply to that topic

    You are currently logged in as DMB


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: Kristine on Jan. 21 2009,12:30

    It works for me, too. What if you do the old log out-log in again?
    Posted by: DMB on Jan. 21 2009,12:46

    I did it once and it still didn't like me. Perhaps I smell bad.

    Never mind, I'm logging off now for the rest of the day. I'll try again tomorrow.  :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 21 2009,14:16

    I don't think the new-users group has permission to reply outside of AtBC.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 22 2009,07:26

    I've added CSS to set a "max-width" property for "IMG" display. For more recent browsers, that should help keep big images from adding scrollbars to a page view.
    Posted by: Woodbine on Jan. 25 2009,07:40

    Quick question....

    For better or worse i've become addicted to the Uncommonly Dense juggernaughts.....Is there anyway to download the complete threads in one chunk so I can browse offline at my leisure?

    Ta.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 25 2009,08:59

    < Complete UD I thread >

    < Complete UD II thread >

    Look for the "(All)" links in the forum view.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 28 2009,12:50

    I think that the "password change" function in the profile may be faulty. Several people who have changed passwords have ended up with their group reset to "Awaiting Authorization". I'll put having a look at that on the to-do list.
    Posted by: Saddlebred on Jan. 29 2009,16:55

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 28 2009,12:50)
    I think that the "password change" function in the profile may be faulty. Several people who have changed passwords have ended up with their group reset to "Awaiting Authorization". I'll put having a look at that on the to-do list.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I can't login to my account (American Saddlebred).  It is rejecting the password for some reason.  I never attempted to change it either o.0
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 15 2009,16:29

    When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Feb. 15 2009,17:10

    Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,17:29)
    When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Odd, seems to be working for me.
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 15 2009,17:40

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 15 2009,18:10)
    Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,17:29)
    When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Odd, seems to be working for me.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Did it a couple times; now seems to be working.

    Must have been leprechauns.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Feb. 15 2009,17:51

    Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,18:40)
    Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 15 2009,18:10)
    Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,17:29)
    When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Odd, seems to be working for me.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Did it a couple times; now seems to be working.

    Must have been leprechauns.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Darn leprechauns.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 17 2009,07:55

    One of the partitions on the server had a glitch and required a manual fsck-ing. That had to await the person on the spot arising this morning.
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 17 2009,18:59

    Just an observation:

    ATBC time stamp is ahead of my PC time.

    When first noticed a while back was 3 minutes; is now up to 6.

    Right now PC says 7:52 PM
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 17 2009,19:35

    Quote (khan @ Feb. 17 2009,18:59)
    Just an observation:

    ATBC time stamp is ahead of my PC time.

    When first noticed a while back was 3 minutes; is now up to 6.

    Right now PC says 7:52 PM
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Your profile edit page should show a time zone tab where you can enter your desired timestamp relative to antiev central time (ACT)
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 17 2009,20:03

    Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 17 2009,20:35)
    Quote (khan @ Feb. 17 2009,18:59)
    Just an observation:

    ATBC time stamp is ahead of my PC time.

    When first noticed a while back was 3 minutes; is now up to 6.

    Right now PC says 7:52 PM
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Your profile edit page should show a time zone tab where you can enter your desired timestamp relative to antiev central time (ACT)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't know how to find said stuff.
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 17 2009,20:14

    No prob.  At the top of this page, click on "Your Control Panel", then the tab "account options", then the first clickable box that  says "adjust base time zone".  enter + or - the # of hours you want your timestamp to be relative to "ACT" which is listed near the box.
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 17 2009,20:30



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    The time (including your current adjustment) is:   Feb. 17 2009,21:29
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    PC says 21:23
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 17 2009,20:41

    That's better agreement than I get between my cell phone, my laptop, the microwave, and my alarm clock:p  I guess now you'll have to right click on that offending PC clock and make it agree with the "official" ACT.
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 17 2009,20:46

    Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 17 2009,21:41)
    That's better agreement than I get between my cell phone, my laptop, the microwave, and my alarm clock:p  I guess now you'll have to right click on that offending PC clock and make it agree with the "official" ACT.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It doesn't bother me all that much, I just note that the discrepancy has been increasing.

    I just wonder if there is a problem somewhere deep in ATBC.

    "Never mind."
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 17 2009,20:50

    Did I mention that you also have to click the "change my account options" at the bottom of the page?

    My DVD/VCR player says 12:00...12:00...12:00...  I have no idea how to change it.
    :p
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 17 2009,20:57

    Test: 21:50 here

    21:57 ATBVC
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Feb. 17 2009,21:24

    Maybe it's a relativistic effect?
    Posted by: JLT on Feb. 18 2009,03:30

    Are you sure your PC has got the right time? Your PC should synchronise the time with an internet server automatically, but it doesn't always do that. If you've got windows, right click on the time in your task bar and click Adjust Date/Time. The third tab in the opening box is Internet Time. There you can update the time manually.
    Maybe that'll help.
    Posted by: khan on Feb. 18 2009,08:47

    Quote (JLT @ Feb. 18 2009,04:30)
    Are you sure your PC has got the right time? Your PC should synchronise the time with an internet server automatically, but it doesn't always do that. If you've got windows, right click on the time in your task bar and click Adjust Date/Time. The third tab in the opening box is Internet Time. There you can update the time manually.
    Maybe that'll help.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I have the same time on both computers and on the cable box.
    Posted by: JLT on Feb. 18 2009,09:45

    Quote (khan @ Feb. 18 2009,14:47)
    Quote (JLT @ Feb. 18 2009,04:30)
    Are you sure your PC has got the right time? Your PC should synchronise the time with an internet server automatically, but it doesn't always do that. If you've got windows, right click on the time in your task bar and click Adjust Date/Time. The third tab in the opening box is Internet Time. There you can update the time manually.
    Maybe that'll help.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I have the same time on both computers and on the cable box.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Then the only other possible explanation is that aliens are performing a time distortion experiment in the area where you live. The government is probably also involved.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 18 2009,10:35

    I've altered the ntp.conf configuration file. The time should, after an adjustment period, reflect that of time servers keyed to the WWV and GPS standards.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 18 2009,10:36

    Yes, WWV and GPS have government involvement.
    Posted by: Louis on Feb. 18 2009,11:12

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 18 2009,16:36)
    Yes, WWV and GPS have government involvement.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I KNEW IT!!! It's space aliens and a lizard conspiracy. Quick to the bunker children, be sure to have your tinfoil hats. Time is an illusion, AtBC time doubly so.*

    Louis

    *Apologies to D N Adams.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 20 2009,10:23

    If you haven't looked lately, please check out the front page for < AntiEvolution.org >. I have added an "Antievolutionists Say the Darndest Things" block and coded stuff so that it and the books block are dynamically updated. Plus, a "Random Articles" block is now on the left sidebar.

    I'm going to start a new topic for people to suggest examples for the "Invidious Comparisons" compilation.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 20 2009,12:41

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 20 2009,10:23)
    If you haven't looked lately, please check out the front page for < AntiEvolution.org >. I have added an "Antievolutionists Say the Darndest Things" block and coded stuff so that it and the books block are dynamically updated. Plus, a "Random Articles" block is now on the left sidebar.

    I'm going to start a new topic for people to suggest examples for the "Invidious Comparisons" compilation.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nice stuff, but doesn't bingo require grid coordinates? Like B2, I3, N4 and such?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 20 2009,12:58

    Not that I know of. That is common, but that doesn't make it necessary.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Feb. 20 2009,13:31

    Though instead of BINGO, it might say, "IDiot" so there's something to yell at the end. That might add just the finishing touch to it.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 20 2009,13:36

    I guess printing BINGO or IDIOT across the top is just a convenience, making finding the square faster. If you're playing fifty cards you can't have too much help.

    Can you arrange to sell these at 7-11s?
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Feb. 25 2009,21:44

    Here is an odd bug.  In < this post >, everytime I submit the post, a [/color] close tag gets changed to </span>. It happens in the same place, about half way down, right after the phrase "supplemental material." I've changed it several times and the same thing keeps happening.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 25 2009,23:06



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Here is an odd bug.  In this post, everytime I submit the post, a [ /color ] close tag gets changed to < /span >. It happens in the same place, about half way down, right after the phrase "supplemental material." I've changed it several times and the same thing keeps happening.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I notice that the paragraph that starts "[ color=red ]>     I find the use of this quote odd" doesn't have a closing [ /color ] tag. Could that be it?
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Feb. 25 2009,23:36

    Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 25 2009,23:06)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Here is an odd bug.  In this post, everytime I submit the post, a [ /color ] close tag gets changed to < /span >. It happens in the same place, about half way down, right after the phrase "supplemental material." I've changed it several times and the same thing keeps happening.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I notice that the paragraph that starts "[ color=red ]>     I find the use of this quote odd" doesn't have a closing [ /color ] tag. Could that be it?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That seemed to be it. Thanks.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Mar. 04 2009,18:07

    Today I have had problems with editing posts. I get sent to a screen that says, "You can not access this board."

    Wa ta hey?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 04 2009,18:38

    Have you changed anything in your profile lately?

    You should also try clearing all cookies and cache for antievolution.org.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Mar. 04 2009,18:46

    The same problem occured to me once today. When the page came back to my pending post with the "post" button grayed out, I went to the "preview post" button, then proceeded and it worked.

    ps: I haven't changed anything to my profile...
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Mar. 04 2009,22:26

    I logged in again, and it works again.

    That said, it earlier worked, didn't and did, then didn't- all without any changes.
    Posted by: dnmlthr on Mar. 05 2009,07:05

    Dr.GH: Might be due to some issue with the authentication cookies. The same thing happened to me, I logged out and logged in again and now it works.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Mar. 07 2009,08:59

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 04 2009,19:07)
    Today I have had problems with editing posts. I get sent to a screen that says, "You can not access this board."

    Wa ta hey?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I've been getting a LOT of that too, beginning over the last two or three days. To wit:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as Reciprocating Bill
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Typically while obsessively editing a post that is already up, suggesting frequency of posting over short periods is the trigger.

    After a couple minutes, I can post.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Mar. 07 2009,15:41

    While we are complaining, I have never been able to login and ost from a public computer.

    That is, I can't post unless I check the remember me box when signing in.
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 07 2009,16:42



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    While we are complaining, I have never been able to login and ost from a public computer.

    That is, I can't post unless I check the remember me box when signing in.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Just a guess, but I wonder if public computers limit the use of cookies for websites accessed on them?

    Henry
    Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 07 2009,16:45

    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 07 2009,08:59)
    Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 04 2009,19:07)
    Today I have had problems with editing posts. I get sent to a screen that says, "You can not access this board."

    Wa ta hey?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I've been getting a LOT of that too, beginning over the last two or three days. To wit:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

    You are currently logged in as Reciprocating Bill
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Typically while obsessively editing a post that is already up, suggesting frequency of posting over short periods is the trigger.

    After a couple minutes, I can post.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    i've found just copying the text and reloading the page has worked too.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Mar. 07 2009,17:39

    Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 07 2009,16:42)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    While we are complaining, I have never been able to login and ost from a public computer.

    That is, I can't post unless I check the remember me box when signing in.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Just a guess, but I wonder if public computers limit the use of cookies for websites accessed on them?

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Nope. They're my puppies. I control the horizontal and the vertical. They're business computers and I don't want any passwords or login names kept.

    They have no restriction on session cookies.
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 11 2009,22:17

    On those sporadic problems with editing a reply: I tried to add a P.S. to my last note on Daniel's thread. First attempts failed. I then put the addition in a separate note; that posted, incidentally starting a new page. Then tried again to edit earlier reply; after adding a line break after the last line the edit took. However, I then played around with it some more, and having a line break after the last line doesn't seem to be the answer; behavior of system was inconsistent.

    It also took several tries to edit the newer reply (at top of next page) to say simply "(deleted ...)".

    Henry
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Mar. 15 2009,21:00

    I'm locked out of editing too.
    Posted by: khan on Mar. 15 2009,21:07

    I tried to edit a PM before sending and the send button was greyed out.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Mar. 15 2009,21:11

    I'm managing to get the edit button to work after (many) repeated attempts.

    Test edit, no preview.

    Second edit, with preview.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 15 2009,21:32

    A comment to test editing on.

    First edit, no preview.

    Second edit, with preview.


    OK, hopefully that takes care of the intermittent post/edit problems.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 16 2009,00:37

    About moderation at AtBC:

    We have a set of rules that are lightly enforced. It pays to < read those >. The goal of moderation here is to enhance discussions here by trimming away from threads comments that are not topical, not legal, simply abusive, simply trolling, or otherwise not conducive to good conversation. Everything but spam and illegal messages that is moderated is transferred intact to the Bathroom Wall, where almost anything goes. Context does matter; the same sort of witty aside that might have passed a week ago on a thread may not be appropriate to it now.

    Eventually, moderation can lead to trimming away users who can't seem to work within even this broadly permissive framework. These don't admit of "bright-line" rules. There is a wide degree of subjective judgment that is called for in making a moderation decision about a comment. That judgment lies with our moderators. Users are welcome to take up specific issues with moderated comments or other decisions of our moderators, but *always* via PM, email, or other offline channel of communication. (This applies, also, to possible commentary on this comment itself.)

    The olden days of online discussion on FidoNet saw the development of a broad meta-rule: don't be annoying. Repeatedly being annoying, or being annoying in a spectacular way once, will be considered excessively annoying, and excessively annoying people are hindrances to good discussion that won't be tolerated here. Beyond all the ways of being annoying that have been mentioned to this point, messages sent in public topics about moderation issues are annoying; multiple instances will be deemed excessively annoying. Rude and abrasive messages to moderators sent privately are annoying. If being annoying is important to you, maybe this isn't the place to be spending your time.

    Please be aware that moderation is a necessary activity. Unmoderated fora tend towards an abusive anarchy shortly. Our moderators are volunteers with the best interests of the continued health of our discussion community in mind. That doesn't mean that we will always be perfect in our decisions. It does mean that our aim is toward better topicality on the topical threads, and thus, hopefully, better discussions there.
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Mar. 16 2009,10:32

    I responded to a message from RTH about his disappearing messages. That message, quoting his message, also disappeared. I tried to respond to the next RTH message, and got this error message.


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Ikonboard CGI Error    Ikonboard has exited with the following error:

    Died

    This error was reported at: Sources/Post.pm line 1637.

    Please note that your 'real' paths have been removed to protect your information.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    What's happening? Any insights?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 16 2009,10:55

    Post.pm was what I edited last night. I probably introduced a new bug while killing the old one. I'll see what I can do about that.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 16 2009,10:57

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 16 2009,10:55)
    Post.pm was what I edited last night. I probably introduced a new bug while killing the old one. I'll see what I can do about that.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks Wes. Seems resolved, my posts are now persisting.
    Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 16 2009,15:08

    Now dvunkannon's post disappeared from the UD2 thread, and I was never able to see it (page prob again).
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 20 2009,10:19

    Looks like a page problem on page three of "Texas and Antievolution"
    Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 20 2009,12:41

    Ugh! I no can do anything.  :(
    Posted by: Nerull on April 12 2009,16:24

    Any chance of adding .png to the allowed filename list for avatars?
    Posted by: Leftfield on April 22 2009,13:24

    How does one make a nice, standard underlined link? On the commenting page, when I click on the button that says < http://, > I get a message saying I have to enter a URL and a title. Where do I enter them?

    I'll hang up and listen for my answer.
    Posted by: Henry J on April 22 2009,16:23

    When I tried it, a pop-up window appeared asking for the URL, and after putting something nonsensical in that, another pop-up appeared asking for the title.

    If no pop-up appears, see if you're suppressing them.

    Henry
    Posted by: Richardthughes on April 22 2009,16:36

    Pop up blocker does kill them. You have to maybe right click and 'allow pop ups' or some-such depending on which blocker you use.
    Posted by: Leftfield on April 22 2009,16:42

    Thanks for your responses. It was the pop-up blocker. I know the http button has worked for me in the past, but I guess the settings changed or it was on a different machine, or something. Grumble, grumble, grumble.

    Anyway all fixed. I just wish I had something interesting to link to.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2009,23:04

    deadman,

    The site search does, as you put it, suck.

    Unfortunately, I doubt that I will have time to do much about it until after my next job transition and relocation later this summer.

    Even then, the question is whether I just need to archive the IkonBoard version of the forum and switch over to a different software system, rather than do further hacking on 2002-vintage Perl code.
    Posted by: deadman_932 on June 07 2009,23:06

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2009,23:04)
    deadman,

    The site search does, as you put it, suck.

    Unfortunately, I doubt that I will have time to do much about it until after my next job transition and relocation later this summer.

    Even then, the question is whether I just need to archive the IkonBoard version of the forum and switch over to a different software system, rather than do further hacking on 2002-vintage Perl code.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I didn't mean to sound mean, but yeah. After running a board now, I get the idea. Ack, it's a time-eater.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2009,23:46

    I get the feeling that this forum goes well beyond the usage the IkonBoard folks envisioned. There was a MySQL field definition with a max value of 32K for counting thread views. The site search facility would likely be adequate on a board where threads are mostly just one or two pages of comments, and not in the tens or hundreds.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 10 2009,22:14

    Is PT down? It haven't been able to get to it for 2-3 hours now.

    Henry
    Posted by: Timothy McDougald on June 10 2009,22:36

    Quote (Henry J @ June 10 2009,22:14)
    Is PT down? It haven't been able to get to it for 2-3 hours now.

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Works for me...

    Edit to add: I just added a couple of links to the links page so PT seems to be working okay...
    Posted by: Henry J on June 10 2009,23:11

    After a reboot and clearing of history, I could get to it again. (Seemed rather slow, but I guess starting with a cleared history might do that.) I infer something was mucked up in either my cache or my machine's memory. (Oh well, they do say memory is the second thing to go.)

    Henry
    Posted by: Richardthughes on June 15 2009,16:43

    I'm getting a '403 forbidden' on my main 'puter .....
    Posted by: deadman_932 on June 15 2009,17:07

    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,16:43)
    I'm getting a '403 forbidden' on my main 'puter .....
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    RicherdtHugs broke teh internets.
    Posted by: Louis on June 16 2009,03:26

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 08 2009,05:46)
    I get the feeling that this forum goes well beyond the usage the IkonBoard folks envisioned. There was a MySQL field definition with a max value of 32K for counting thread views. The site search facility would likely be adequate on a board where threads are mostly just one or two pages of comments, and not in the tens or hundreds.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Forgive me Wes, I am as frequently admitted, computer illiterate. If Ikonboard is inadequate, is there a (simple, time frugal, cheap, easy etc) method to move AtBC away from Ikonboard and onto something that can perhaps cope with its demands a little better?

    I'm not asking you do this, I'm really just asking if this is possible as I honestly don't know.

    Cheers

    Louis

    P.S. I only came to this thread because I misread it as "Bored Mechanics" and figured Deadman would be hanging out here looking for action. DAMN! The compulsion to mock DM came upon me during a vaguely sensible question. Oh the huge manatee!
    Posted by: deadman_932 on June 16 2009,14:06

    Quote (Louis @ June 16 2009,03:26)
    I only came to this thread because I misread it as "Bored Mechanics" and figured Deadman would be hanging out here looking for action.

    DAMN! The compulsion to mock DM came upon me during a vaguely sensible question. Oh the huge manatee!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ahem.

    Louis is only viciously lashing out at me because *I* know about his dirty little secret:


    Posted by: Henry J on July 14 2009,17:30

    The < http://www.talkorigins.org/ > website is getting "Page Load Error".
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 14 2009,17:51

    Lunarpages, the commercial host for the TOA, seems to have gone missing. I see that they recently picked another data center, so hopefully this is a switchover hiccup.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on July 28 2009,13:13

    AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

    That is all.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 28 2009,13:39

    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 28 2009,13:13)
    AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

    That is all.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're just supposed to say that.

    The power company in Irving, TX decided this was a fine day to replace a transformer. They warned that voltage spikes could result, so the computers were taken offline to prevent damage during the maintenance. Sorry for the interruption in flow.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 28 2009,13:44

    It's not about good.

    It's not about evil(ution).

    It's about power.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on July 28 2009,13:53

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 28 2009,14:39)
    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 28 2009,13:13)
    AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

    That is all.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're just supposed to say that.

    The power company in Irving, TX decided this was a fine day to replace a transformer. They warned that voltage spikes could result, so the computers were taken offline to prevent damage during the maintenance. Sorry for the interruption in flow.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Maybe he was dictating it.
    Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 17 2009,11:07

    When I load a thread on PT for which comments have been closed, a pop-up error box comes up that says "Text area not found". I don't think the lack of a text area should be an error in that case.

    Henry
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 18 2009,01:44

    Reed will probably fix that once he's finished moving to Houston.

    Hopefully.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Sep. 01 2009,13:56



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    As everybody should be aware by now, Denyse Oâ??Leary is offering a prize for the original code for Dawkinsâ?? Weasel program which illustrates cumulative selection [1]. Oâ??Learyâ??s offer arises from people challenging Dembskiâ??s misrepresentation of the Weasel program, as he has misrepresented it yet again in a trivial non-id paper. To get some much needed perspective, read Joe Felsensteinâ??s excellent article (and its follow-up) and those of Chris Mark Chu Carroll (here and here)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Some weird formatting going on here. Just this one thread.

    < http://pandasthumb.org/archive....ts-open >

    EDIT: I verified this problem with FireFox.
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Sep. 29 2009,16:53

    Has anybody else's fonts gone completely nutso, or is it just me?  (Firefox 3.5.3)
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 29 2009,17:04

    Quote (sledgehammer @ Sep. 29 2009,17:53)
    Has anybody else's fonts gone completely nutso, or is it just me?  (Firefox 3.5.3)
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I have the same version of FF and it seems fine from here.
    Posted by: khan on Sep. 29 2009,17:11

    Everything seems OK here, same version
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Sep. 29 2009,17:33

    Thanks.  That narrows it down considerably!
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 29 2009,17:56

    OK on OS X FF 3.5.3 (Safari too).
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 29 2009,18:54

    P.S. Windoze Vista (against my will), if that helps at all.
    Posted by: khan on Sep. 29 2009,19:02

    XP3
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 29 2009,20:04

    My TI 99/4a struggles a bit.
    Posted by: dvunkannon on Oct. 08 2009,08:13

    I just have had a post gone missing on AtBC. I saw my name as last poster on the list, so it must be there somewhere. Now there have been several posts since.

    Is there a spam filter that buckets really short messages that are perhaps only links? I forget if I added some text beyond the link.

    If so, can we filter the filter to allow such messages if they only reference UD?
    Posted by: Zachriel on Oct. 09 2009,09:12

    ALERT!

    Learned Hand says he's locked in a closet with J. Davison and D. Scott! He's obviously desperate.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Hi -

    I was recently banned from UD as Learned Hand. (I assume, as a man of erudition, that you were a fan of my work.) Id love to contribute to the ATBC board, but for some reason Im stuck in limbo. Ive sent some emails, but Im still awaiting authorization, and cannot post or contact members whose email addresses are private. Is there a feedback link Im missing somewhere, or some part of the process Ive skipped?

    Its hugely frustrating to be barred from UD and ATBC simultaneously! Probably not many people are unwelcome at both boards, after all. I feel as if Im locked in a closet with J. Davison and D. Scott. For the love of god, and the spite of Barry Arrington, please help free me from this indignity!


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Please lend Learned Hand a hand!



    anfractuous at gmail.com

    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 09 2009,18:45

    Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 08 2009,08:13)
    I just have had a post gone missing on AtBC. I saw my name as last poster on the list, so it must be there somewhere. Now there have been several posts since.

    Is there a spam filter that buckets really short messages that are perhaps only links? I forget if I added some text beyond the link.

    If so, can we filter the filter to allow such messages if they only reference UD?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I wondered about that, that I saw your name but no post. Nor did your post appear in the RSS feed, which doesn't get modified even if something gets deleted or moved. So I think that is a glitch.
    Posted by: Doc Bill on Oct. 09 2009,18:46

    Same with me and it was a POTW!
    Posted by: ppb on Oct. 09 2009,19:15

    I think the first posts don't show up on a new page until a second post is made.  That happened to me as well.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Oct. 09 2009,19:20

    Quote (Doc Bill @ Oct. 10 2009,01:46)
    Same with me and it was a POTW!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    POTW? Proofs, Doc, we need proofs!

    EDIT: this "new page" glinch is very common here, and ppb is quite right. The first post of the new page doesn't usualy appear before someone else posts, which coul be cumbersome at times...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2009,19:54

    The Perl version got upgraded, which meant that the various additional modules needed to make IkonBoard go weren't installed to begin with. Let me know if there are ones I've missed so far.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 11 2009,01:58

    Last night, I started having the usual symptoms of the common cold. I headed off to sleep without bothering to log out my chat client. The following was in a chat window I found up just now:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    AIM IM with CarLuppino11/10/09 11:45 PM
    Hi, is this Mr. Elsberry of the AntiEvolution forum?
    I'm trying to gather information on your forum for a research paper. I'm at a freshman at Ohio State University. It seems everyone who I have tried to contact has ignored me or told me they could not talk about the board or answer my questions.
    One referred me to you...
    11:53 PM
    Ah, okay, I'm starting to see a pattern. Silence. A little like a cult, right? Thanks for your help.. I think I just found my thesis.
    11/11/09
    12:04 AM
    CarLuppino has gone offline.
    1:19 AM
    CarLuppino is now online.
    CarLuppino has gone offline.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I think the freshman researcher has yet to discover the term "effective notice". It certainly isn't provided by unsolicited electronic chat starting at 11:45 PM. Anybody here have contact information for this fellow?
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 11 2009,02:04

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2009,02:58)
    Last night, I started having the usual symptoms of the common cold. I headed off to sleep without bothering to log out my chat client. The following was in a chat window I found up just now:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    AIM IM with CarLuppino11/10/09 11:45 PM
    Hi, is this Mr. Elsberry of the AntiEvolution forum?
    I'm trying to gather information on your forum for a research paper. I'm at a freshman at Ohio State University. It seems everyone who I have tried to contact has ignored me or told me they could not talk about the board or answer my questions.
    One referred me to you...
    11:53 PM
    Ah, okay, I'm starting to see a pattern. Silence. A little like a cult, right? Thanks for your help.. I think I just found my thesis.
    11/11/09
    12:04 AM
    CarLuppino has gone offline.
    1:19 AM
    CarLuppino is now online.
    CarLuppino has gone offline.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I think the freshman researcher has yet to discover the term "effective notice". It certainly isn't provided by unsolicited electronic chat starting at 11:45 PM. Anybody here have contact information for this fellow?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    He hasn't contacted me, though I have to wonder why he didn't just make an account and post his questions.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 11 2009,02:09

    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 11 2009,02:04)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2009,02:58)
    Last night, I started having the usual symptoms of the common cold. I headed off to sleep without bothering to log out my chat client. The following was in a chat window I found up just now:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    AIM IM with CarLuppino11/10/09 11:45 PM
    Hi, is this Mr. Elsberry of the AntiEvolution forum?
    I'm trying to gather information on your forum for a research paper. I'm at a freshman at Ohio State University. It seems everyone who I have tried to contact has ignored me or told me they could not talk about the board or answer my questions.
    One referred me to you...
    11:53 PM
    Ah, okay, I'm starting to see a pattern. Silence. A little like a cult, right? Thanks for your help.. I think I just found my thesis.
    11/11/09
    12:04 AM
    CarLuppino has gone offline.
    1:19 AM
    CarLuppino is now online.
    CarLuppino has gone offline.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I think the freshman researcher has yet to discover the term "effective notice". It certainly isn't provided by unsolicited electronic chat starting at 11:45 PM. Anybody here have contact information for this fellow?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    He hasn't contacted me, though I have to wonder why he didn't just make an account and post his questions.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The same occurred to me. Would it be hasty to surmise that he wasn't particularly interested in answers?
    Posted by: deadman_932 on Nov. 11 2009,03:04

    Smells bogus to me. A young person familiar with IM-ing wouldn't look at a few minutes of non-response as anything unusual.

    I'd suspect a young person who uses what appears to be a proper name (Carl Luppino, Carla, Carlo, Carlotta, etc.) would have some trace on the internet, particularly facebook.

    The semi-threat of "Silence. A little like a cult, right?...I think I have my thesis"  seems abrupt,  like a person with an axe to grind.

    Smells fishy to me. Much like ____'s mum.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 11 2009,03:10

    There isn't much to go on, but I think I'll be contacting the Ohio State University < Committee on Academic Misconduct > tomorrow. There's a section in "Prohibited Conduct" that appears applicable:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    6. Falsification, fabrication, or dishonesty in creating or reporting
    laboratory results, research results, and/or any other assignments;  

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 11 2009,03:19

    The people search feature at OSU doesn't return any hits for "Luppino".
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Nov. 11 2009,05:45



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Smells bogus to me. A young person familiar with IM-ing wouldn't look at a few minutes of non-response as anything unusual.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Obviously the paper is due this morning.
    Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on Nov. 18 2009,06:50

    When I click "add reply" or "quote" but am not logged in, the board sends me to a "you are not logged in" page.  Wouldn't it make more sense to just send me to the login page?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 18 2009,17:28

    Probably. It seems doubtful that I'm going to attempt to hack something on that scale of thing, though.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 18 2010,13:49

    I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 18 2010,13:57

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,13:49)
    I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the "to-do" list.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 18 2010,14:08

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 18 2010,13:57)
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,13:49)
    I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the "to-do" list.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks Wes. I know there are few plug-ins so hopefully it's not too hard. You've done well resisting the urge to monetize the website..

    < http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.antievolution.org >
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Jan. 18 2010,18:30

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,14:08)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 18 2010,13:57)
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,13:49)
    I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the "to-do" list.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks Wes. I know there are few plug-ins so hopefully it's not too hard. You've done well resisting the urge to monetize the website..

    < http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.antievolution.org >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    But, really, who can put a price on the vast cultural archive that is the UD threads.  Some historian/archaeologist will thank Wes some day.*



    *Probably not with cash, but you never know.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 18 2010,23:06

    For the record, I just installed the Sitemeter now, right about the start of January 19th in the Eastern time zone.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 18 2010,23:13

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 18 2010,23:06)
    For the record, I just installed the Sitemeter now, right about the start of January 19th in the Eastern time zone.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Coolness! Wes, you rock.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 19 2010,22:06

    23 hours, 836 visits recorded. Not too shabby.

    The Sitemeter thing is not on the RSS feed, either, so this is just picking up when people visit the IkonBoard forum pages.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 20 2010,03:36

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,14:08)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 18 2010,13:57)
     
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,13:49)
    I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the "to-do" list.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks Wes. I know there are few plug-ins so hopefully it's not too hard. You've done well resisting the urge to monetize the website..

    < http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.antievolution.org >
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It is awfully tempting...



    Hmm... not sure that really fits our theme, though.
    Posted by: J-Dog on Jan. 20 2010,08:02

    Well, I think it makes a good impression on people, but I'll put my ear to the ground...

    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 20 2010,08:43

    *Harrumph* -


    Over 1k now, half a million by year end is my optimistic target. Depends if ID tries to get back into schools I suppose.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 21 2010,18:43

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2010,08:43)
    *Harrumph* -


    Over 1k now, half a million by year end is my optimistic target. Depends if ID tries to get back into schools I suppose.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Visits would have to average over 1,470 per day, and summer is notoriously low traffic for everybody. I'll be happy if the visits are over 200K at year's end.

    Of course, we could start a pool...
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 21 2010,19:24

    Put me down for 500k. Faint heart never loved an elephant.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 13 2010,19:47

    Had a MySQL stash of binary logs fill the /usr partition. Got that purged, so AtBC is back up.
    Posted by: Thought Provoker on Mar. 13 2010,19:55

    Just what you wanted to do on a Saturday afternoon, right?

    Thanks
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 13 2010,20:03

    And Panda's Thumb?

    I wonder if the bathroom over there got so full that the whole thing got clogged, or something? Nah, probably not.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 13 2010,20:31

    PT had to have all the entries rebuilt. That took a bit.
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 13 2010,21:11

    Some of the PT threads are still only partially built. Of the ones I checked: Bathroom wall, Smithsonian's Human Origins, Science blogs: ur doin it wrong, Sand Dune, Evolution Weekend – 2010.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Mar. 14 2010,00:56

    I get "text area not found" on main entries, and no comments box on bw.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 14 2010,11:21

    I'm trying to rebuild PT again, but am hampered by having to do the sign-in over and over as the process goes. I'll bring it up with Reed.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Mar. 14 2010,22:06

    Seems to be working fine now, thanks guys!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 09 2010,21:18

    Server Moving

    Saturday, 2010/04/10: the server for AE, PT, and TalkDesign.org will be physically moving to its new home -- and faster ISP. However, the ISP change also means a DNS change, and that is only guaranteed to propagate and update for everyone on a 48-hour schedule. Oftentimes, DNS updates faster than that, but everyone should be forewarned that it could take until sometime Monday before you'll see the sites again.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 10 2010,20:03

    Update: the email server did get moved today, but moving the PT/AE server has been postponed until tomorrow.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 11 2010,19:08

    The server has been moved, and all the DNS changes have been requested. AE is responding where I am, but PT is not showing the new IP address yet according to my ISP's nameservers.
    Posted by: sledgehammer on April 11 2010,21:01

    PT is baaaack  as of 4/12 1:00  GMT (for me anyway).
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 12 2010,03:33

    Actually, I could have been getting PT earlier if I had thought to expand my DNS nameserver list earlier.
    Posted by: Richard Simons on April 12 2010,18:55

    I've been travelling around in the last week, using computers in hotel lobbies, and find I can only log on if I tick the 'yes' box for my password to be remembered.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 04 2010,21:34

    This is a routine down in the IkonBoard text parsing module:



    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

    sub chomp_url ($$) {
       my ($obj, $the_red_sea) = @_;
       return $the_red_sea   if    $the_red_sea =~ /^<img src=/;
       return $the_red_sea unless length($the_red_sea) > 70;
       return $the_red_sea unless $the_red_sea =~ m!://!;
       # Fix up 'dem pesky ampersands
       $the_red_sea =~ s!&amp;!&!g;
       $the_red_sea =~ s!(?:(\?)|[&;])s=[\w\d]{16,32}(?:&|;|$)!$1!g;
       my ($moses, $did_indeed) = split /\:\/\//, $the_red_sea;
       my @miracle = split "/",$did_indeed;
       my $worker = substr($miracle[1], 0, 7,);
       my $maybe  = substr($miracle[$#miracle],length($miracle[$#miracle])-7);
       return $moses.'://'.$miracle[0].'/'.$worker.'....'.$maybe;
    }

    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



    A busted URL seems to be 140 characters to the break. The 70 character bit in the above seems a bit suspicious in that light. Anybody got a comment?

    ETA: Never mind... that just truncates URLs for viewing. Something else must be doing the damage.


    Posted by: MichaelJ on May 05 2010,00:25

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 05 2010,12:34)
    This is a routine down in the IkonBoard text parsing module:



    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------

    sub chomp_url ($$) {
       my ($obj, $the_red_sea) = @_;
       return $the_red_sea   if    $the_red_sea =~ /^<img src=/;
       return $the_red_sea unless length($the_red_sea) > 70;
       return $the_red_sea unless $the_red_sea =~ m!://!;
       # Fix up 'dem pesky ampersands
       $the_red_sea =~ s!&amp;!&!g;
       $the_red_sea =~ s!(?:(\?)|[&;])s=[\w\d]{16,32}(?:&|;|$)!$1!g;
       my ($moses, $did_indeed) = split /\:\/\//, $the_red_sea;
       my @miracle = split "/",$did_indeed;
       my $worker = substr($miracle[1], 0, 7,);
       my $maybe  = substr($miracle[$#miracle],length($miracle[$#miracle])-7);
       return $moses.'://'.$miracle[0].'/'.$worker.'....'.$maybe;
    }

    ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------



    A busted URL seems to be 140 characters to the break. The 70 character bit in the above seems a bit suspicious in that light. Anybody got a comment?

    ETA: Never mind... that just truncates URLs for viewing. Something else must be doing the damage.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Who named the variables?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 05 2010,06:36

    IkonBoard has a lot of contributed Perl routines in it. That particular one isn't credited to anyone, though, but there are a number of other places with interesting choices of variable names.
    Posted by: Albatrossity2 on May 05 2010,08:33

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 05 2010,06:36)
    IkonBoard has a lot of contributed Perl routines in it. That particular one isn't credited to anyone, though, but there are a number of other places with interesting choices of variable names.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It only seems to bust the URLs if you preview them, in my experience.

    Maybe that's a clue.  Maybe not.
    Posted by: Quack on June 05 2010,16:07

    Just curious, what or where are they coming from, those strange threads that always pop up when I use the search New Posts function?
    Posted by: socle on June 23 2010,11:55

    Uh, anyone else notice some fairly NSFW pics being displayed in the upper right hand corner of the page?   ???
    Posted by: midwifetoad on June 23 2010,13:00

    Quote (socle @ June 23 2010,11:55)
    Uh, anyone else notice some fairly NSFW pics being displayed in the upper right hand corner of the page?   ???
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Had a virus scan recently?
    Posted by: socle on June 23 2010,13:49

    I think my antivirus and malware software is up to date.  I just cleared my cache and everything's back to normal now.  Odd.  It was the search, members, and help icons that were borked, FWIW.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on June 23 2010,13:58

    Quote (socle @ June 23 2010,13:49)
    I think my antivirus and malware software is up to date.  I just cleared my cache and everything's back to normal now.  Odd.  It was the search, members, and help icons that were borked, FWIW.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Posted by: fnxtr on July 03 2010,01:23

    Ikonboard has exited with the following error:

    Hey! Trying the "forum" link from PT gives this:

    Can't query the data from 'active_sessions' Reason: Table 'ib_active_sessions' is marked as crashed and should be repaired Query: SELECT * FROM ib_active_sessions WHERE RUNNING_TIME > 1278136762 ORDER BY RUNNING_TIME DESC

    This error was reported at: Sources/iDatabase/Driver/mySQL.pm line 269.

    Please note that your 'real' paths have been removed to protect your information.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 03 2010,11:16

    It probably lost critically specified information due to a random chance mutation...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 11 2010,07:29

    Something changed on the server, knocking the main antievolution.org site off the air. I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened and what needs to be done to fix it. I suspect an upgrade to PHP 5.3.2 may be part of it, so I'm trying to find out from Reed if he upgraded that with the other maintenance he was doing on the server.


    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on July 11 2010,08:15

    There were a lot of access problems yesterday on both AtBC and PT.

    Wish I could help, but I know jack shit about ze intertubes...
    Posted by: Kattarina98 on July 11 2010,08:24

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 11 2010,07:29)
    Something changed on the server, knocking the main antievolution.org site off the air. I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened and what needs to be done to fix it. I suspect an upgrade to PHP 5.3.2 may be part of it, so I'm trying to find out from Reed if he upgraded that with the other maintenance he was doing on the server.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------




    Thank you for working on a summer weekend.
    Posted by: Quack on July 21 2010,11:42

    This is the _URL I use to access AtBC:
    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....SF;f=14 >

    The bottom line on my screen reads ”topics sorted by last post date in ascending order from the beginning”

    6 threads are listed, with Book club at the top, date of last post July 20.
    Bathroom Wall at the bottom, date of last post July 21.

    the list used to be in the opposite order, a descending list  with the newest entries at the top instead of at the bottom.

    Now I am unable to get back to that order. Has anything been changed at the forum, or is the problem here with me? How can I get back to the old ordering of topics?
    Posted by: Gunthernacus on July 21 2010,12:35

    Quote (Quack @ July 21 2010,12:42)
    This is the _URL I use to access AtBC:
    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....SF;f=14 >

    The bottom line on my screen reads ”topics sorted by last post date in ascending order from the beginning”

    6 threads are listed, with Book club at the top, date of last post July 20.
    Bathroom Wall at the bottom, date of last post July 21.

    the list used to be in the opposite order, a descending list  with the newest entries at the top instead of at the bottom.

    Now I am unable to get back to that order. Has anything been changed at the forum, or is the problem here with me? How can I get back to the old ordering of topics?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Those are drop-down boxes for me - the sort by criteria, the beginning time frame, and the ascending/descending.  If you can, just switch from ascending to descending.  If it switches back on you the next time you visit, I dunno - but, as is our IT motto, let's hope it was a one-time thing...
    Posted by: J-Dog on July 21 2010,13:04

    Quote (Quack @ July 21 2010,11:42)
    This is the _URL I use to access AtBC:
    < http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....SF;f=14 >

    The bottom line on my screen reads ”topics sorted by last post date in ascending order from the beginning”

    6 threads are listed, with Book club at the top, date of last post July 20.
    Bathroom Wall at the bottom, date of last post July 21.

    the list used to be in the opposite order, a descending list  with the newest entries at the top instead of at the bottom.

    Now I am unable to get back to that order. Has anything been changed at the forum, or is the problem here with me? How can I get back to the old ordering of topics?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    PRAISE JESUS IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

    The last shall be first and all that...
    Posted by: Quack on July 21 2010,16:14

    Just to make it clear - I have of course tried changing all of the parameters but they all are even worse than what I am using now.

    Which works all right in every respect - except for the inverse order.

    Besides, the problem suddenly was there for no reason that I am aware of.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 21 2010,17:19

    To change the order in which topics are listed, click on the check mark beside the "descending order" or "ascending order" box, then click on one of the items on the pull down menu that should appear, then click the "Go!" button that's to the right of the selection boxes.
    Posted by: Quack on July 22 2010,16:30

    Quote (Henry J @ July 21 2010,17:19)
    To change the order in which topics are listed, click on the check mark beside the "descending order" or "ascending order" box, then click on one of the items on the pull down menu that should appear, then click the "Go!" button that's to the right of the selection boxes.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Dammit, I was trying to compose a reply but hit the wrong button.

    There are just three parameters, what selections should I use?

    I want the last page to show the latest posts in descending order.

    That's what I used to see, but there's something funny about this, I am am confused.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 22 2010,16:50

    Mine reads "last post date", "descending order", "the beginning", which sounds like what you want. If yours has a different setting on one of them, pick the one that's wrong, by clicking the little check mark beside it, then selecting the option you want for that item.
    Posted by: Quack on July 23 2010,09:31

    Quote (Henry J @ July 22 2010,16:50)
    Mine reads "last post date", "descending order", "the beginning", which sounds like what you want. If yours has a different setting on one of them, pick the one that's wrong, by clicking the little check mark beside it, then selecting the option you want for that item.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes, that's what I want.

    But when I use that and the board/forum selection is
     Antievolution.org Discussion Board > From the Panda's Thumb > After the Bar Closes...

    The first item in the list is Page 59, Dilbert Does ID"St   (All)   Last action May 16 2005,00:24

    Page 1 shows the latest activity today.

    IF I change from descending to ascending, Page 59 contains the latest activity but in ascending* order.

    What I can't understand is that I've always used to open the last page number, and it has always shown the latest activity in descending order.

    The only way I can find to achieve that  now is  to start reading from page 1 instead.

    Maybe that's what I'll have to do and forget about how it used to be.

    *Edit: correction: descending; was ascending.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 23 2010,12:23

    Huh. Must be gremlins.
    Posted by: Quack on July 24 2010,14:46

    Quote (Henry J @ July 23 2010,12:23)
    Huh. Must be gremlins.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I made an error in my previous post, it has been corrected.

    But as I see it; I can have posts listed with the newest at the top of the page - but ordering will be from page 1 downwards, with the earliest post on the highest numbered page.

    As said before, I used to have the same ordering on the pages - but with the newest post on the highest numbered page. There is something illogical about that but I can swear that is how it used to be.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on July 27 2010,17:37

    I would like to see all my posts, but whenever I try to, it displays this:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    form_srcid: Schroedinger's Dog

    form_cmd: view_author

    Your IP address is **.***.*.***

    View Author detected.

    view author posts:

    Retrieve source record and display it.

    form_author:

    form_srcid: Schroedinger's Dog

    q: SELECT AUTHOR, MEMBER_NAME, IP_ADDR, POST_DATE, TOPIC_ID, t1.FORUM_ID, POST, POST_ID, FORUM_VIEW_THREADS from ib_forum_posts AS t1 LEFT JOIN (ib_member_profiles AS t2, ib_forum_info AS t3) ON (t1.forum_id = t3.forum_id AND t1.author = t2.member_id) WHERE MEMBER_NAME like 'Schroedinger\'s Dog%' and forum_view_threads LIKE '*' ORDER BY POST_DATE ASC

    DB_err:

    DB_result: Resource id #4
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Is this normal or am I just not talented at all when it comes to the intertube?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 27 2010,20:29

    It looks to be a problem for anyone with an apostrophe in their user name.

    Unfortunately, it may be a while before I get around to revisiting that code. I have stuff to put together for two papers I'm collaborating on currently.

    ETA: I did have a look at the MySQL table, and the names with apostrophes have the HTML entity "&#39;" in place of them, so the simple "escape the apostrophe" approach doesn't work for those.

    OK, anybody want to propose a PHP snippet to globally replace "'" with "&#39;" in a string? Yeah, I'm just that tired.


    Posted by: midwifetoad on July 27 2010,20:57

    Obviously it is a problem and not a problem.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on July 27 2010,21:19

    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 27 2010,20:57)
    Obviously it is a problem and not a problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That is an obvious violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction ™.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on July 27 2010,21:38

    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 27 2010,21:19)
    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 27 2010,20:57)
    Obviously it is a problem and not a problem.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    That is an obvious violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction ™.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Did you deduce that or did it just poof into existence?
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on July 28 2010,08:01

    Mmmhh.. Ok

    Next time I'll select my nick more wisely. Any chance to change it without loosing my history? (I really think it's burdensome for others to write my nick whenever they adress me, and I am not anonymous, everybody can find out who I am)...


    Thanks Wes!
    Posted by: Henry J on July 28 2010,13:48

    History? That's all in the past, anyways.  :p
    Posted by: fnxtr on July 28 2010,16:10

    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 28 2010,06:01)
    Mmmhh.. Ok

    Next time I'll select my nick more wisely. Any chance to change it without loosing my history? (I really think it's burdensome for others to write my nick whenever they adress me, and I am not anonymous, everybody can find out who I am)...


    Thanks Wes!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    "he only had the two arms and the one head and he called himself Phil..."
    Posted by: Richardthughes on July 28 2010,16:14

    I get the occasional '403 forbidden' but a refresh makes it go away.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 28 2010,17:24

    If you put in multiple browser requests to the degas server at about the same time, Lighttpd is set so that your browser gets a sort of timeout. It helps a lot to reduce the 'bot problem at PT, but it is possible to trigger it if you launch a bunch of tabs at once for PT, AE, AtBC, etc.
    Posted by: steve_h on July 28 2010,17:54

    During the meanwhile, a temporary solution to let people such as SD to view their posts would be for them to modify the URLs, replacing the single quote (') by a percent sign (%). This would find all posts by "Shroedinger's dog", "Schroedinger!!!ONE!dog" etc.

    E.g. < http://antievolution.org/feature....=Submit >
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 28 2010,18:10

    OK, I spent fifteen minutes that I'll never get back, but the apostrophe problem is fixed.

    :-)
    Posted by: Louis on July 29 2010,04:30

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 28 2010,23:24)
    If you put in multiple browser requests to the degas server at about the same time, Lighttpd is set so that your browser gets a sort of timeout. It helps a lot to reduce the 'bot problem at PT, but it is possible to trigger it if you launch a bunch of tabs at once for PT, AE, AtBC, etc.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Engrish? ;-)

    I've degassed a few things in my time. Did you use argon or nitrogen? Freeze, pump, thaw? Have I misunderstood.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    OK, I spent fifteen minutes that I'll never get back, but the apostrophe problem is fixed.

    :-)

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    A smiley from Wes? A SMILEY!? I am profoundly disturbed*. Are you ok Wes? Not feeling a little.....stretched.....from the server work? Erm, you wouldn't happen to own any, you know, ahahahaha, guns would you. Best lock them up, eh? Give Diane the key, eh? How's about a nice cup of tea and a lie down, eh champ? There's a good fellow.

    {Whispers}

    First it's the smileys. Then it's the LOLcats. Then it's the high powered rifle and the tall towers whilst screaming "THERE'S DEMBSKI!!!! THERE'S DEMBSKI TOO!!!".

    {/Whispers}

    Louis

    * I fear this has already been well established.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on July 29 2010,04:49

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 29 2010,00:10)
    OK, I spent fifteen minutes that I'll never get back, but the apostrophe problem is fixed.

    :-)
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    Thanks Wes, works perfectly now.

    I can now re-read all my posts and try to single out those were I was totaly wasted.

    Ahhh, the intertube, almost as good as a 3 am phone call to a random ex...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 04 2010,19:25

    I ran across a forum this evening featuring buttons on each post offering to "Retweet this post". I'm scratching my head a bit over this, but wanted to find out if there is interest here in doing more to make AtBC interactive with social media. If anyone has some insight on the plumbing to make that happen, please PM me.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 09 2010,22:18

    You know how on PT it has a side panel previewing the last ten replies added to threads? Would it be feasible for it to instead preview the last reply on each of the ten threads to have the most recent replies? That way when one thread is getting a Flood of replies, it would still show which other threads happened to get a trickle.

    Henry
    Posted by: khan on Oct. 27 2010,16:39

    Help.

    I can't link to anything more recent than 2005.
    Posted by: khan on Oct. 27 2010,17:09

    Seems to be working now.
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Oct. 27 2010,18:27

    Quote (khan @ Oct. 27 2010,16:39)
    Help.

    I can't link to anything more recent than 2005.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Sounds like you caught a mild strain of whatever the IDiots have.  Theirs applies to everything more recent than 1805.
    Posted by: Kattarina98 on Oct. 28 2010,05:26

    The other day, I tried to dig up some information about a member to create a personalized birthday card. Amazingly, I found that there are hundreds - thousands? - of members who have never even posted a single comment, apparently socks created by a programme. Do they serve a purpose, or are they the result of an attack?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 17 2010,18:37

    The "skeptic reborn" account has had its posting privileges revoked. It's a slog, but when it becomes obvious that a poster is getting a new account to evade consequences levied before, those accounts are liable to be shut down.
    Posted by: carlsonjok on Jan. 01 2011,07:14

    Ikonboard seems to be having problems with the characters h-t-t-p.  It converts the text, whether free standing or within an IMG or URL to the character 'e'.  Also, it is converting IMG or URL tags into the equivalent HTML.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Jan. 01 2011,07:49

    Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 01 2011,08:14)
    Ikonboard seems to be having problems with the characters h-t-t-p.  It converts the text, whether free standing or within an IMG or URL to the character 'e'.  Also, it is converting IMG or URL tags into the equivalent HTML.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I've encountered the same problem...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 01 2011,10:26

    I was trying some anti-Mabus measures that seem to have had unintended consequences.

    Let me know if there are further difficulties.
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Jan. 01 2011,12:17

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2011,10:26)
    I was trying some anti-Mabus measures that seem to have had unintended consequences.

    Let me know if there are further difficulties.
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    Take off and nuke him from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 01 2011,16:48

    The next time Mabus posts may well be amusing.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 01 2011,19:15

    Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 01 2011,13:17)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2011,10:26)
    I was trying some anti-Mabus measures that seem to have had unintended consequences.

    Let me know if there are further difficulties.
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    Take off and nuke him from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
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    Classic.

    Also classic, Wesley. :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 19 2011,05:55

    Just a reminder as we seem to be in troll season:

    Replies to posts by banned persons are subject to deletion along with posts by banned persons.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    # MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message.
    # MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Jan. 19 2011,06:30

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 19 2011,11:55)
    Just a reminder as we seem to be in troll season:

    Replies to posts by banned persons are subject to deletion along with posts by banned persons.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    # MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message.
    # MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


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    Can we still respond with silly Lolcats and general abuse?

    Please, pwetty pleeease?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 19 2011,07:52

    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 19 2011,06:30)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 19 2011,11:55)
    Just a reminder as we seem to be in troll season:

    Replies to posts by banned persons are subject to deletion along with posts by banned persons.

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    # MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message.
    # MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Can we still respond with silly Lolcats and general abuse?

    Please, pwetty pleeease?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm just saying not to be upset if your witty response disappears along with the banned person's post that triggered your response.
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Jan. 19 2011,23:33

    The Bathroom Wall thread seems to be glitching, I can't read anything past page 479.  I see that newer posts have been made and I can read them when I post on the thread, but they disappear after and I'm still limited to page 479 (which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).

    I'm using both IE and Firefox on two different machines.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 20 2011,00:06

    The BW has been rebuilt.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 20 2011,10:26

    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
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    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 20 2011,10:26

    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 20 2011,11:42

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2011,08:26)
    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    So you keep saying. :-)
    Posted by: MadPanda, FCD on Jan. 20 2011,12:21

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 19 2011,07:52)
    I'm just saying not to be upset if your witty response disappears along with the banned person's post that triggered your response.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No worries.  :)

    I should probably learn to restrain myself in the presence of the Mabus instead of generating more work and stress for the admins by playing the gadfly.

    By all means, if I must have posts vanish down the memory hole, any and all responses to the gentleman in question are disposable.


    The MadPanda, FCD
    Posted by: MadPanda, FCD on Jan. 20 2011,12:23

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2011,10:26)
    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or at least challenge somebody.  Got to push the envelope, which is why we got impressionism, fauvism, pointalism, cubism, dada, surrealism, post-surrealism, last-tuesday-ism...


    The MadPanda, FCD
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Jan. 20 2011,17:57

    Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 20 2011,12:23)
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2011,10:26)
    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or at least challenge somebody.  Got to push the envelope, which is why we got impressionism, fauvism, pointalism, cubism, dada, surrealism, post-surrealism, last-tuesday-ism...


    The MadPanda, FCD
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    lolcatism?
    Posted by: MadPanda, FCD on Jan. 20 2011,18:31

    I'm not sure about that one, but only because what passes for their manifesto is written in lolcat, and is even harder to parse than your average postmodernist essay on being and nothingness (as opposed to Sartre's work of the same name, which was simply verbose and a bit dull).

    I'm personally inclined to see lolcatism as a variation of postpostmodern dadaism on an extra shot of caffeine and too many cute cat pix rather than as an independent style of it's own, as evidenced by the proliferation of other sites in the network.

    Any work involving the lolrus and his missing bukkit, on the other hand, is clearly a cry for help cast echoing amidst the spiritually barren slums of the bourgeoisie commonly known as suburbia before being ruthlessly crushed by the banal common kultur that is conformity.

    But what the hell do I know about art?   :D


    The MadPanda, FCD
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 20 2011,18:40

    Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 20 2011,10:23)
    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2011,10:26)
    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
    which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Great art is meant to challenge you.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or at least challenge somebody.  Got to push the envelope, which is why we got impressionism, fauvism, pointalism, cubism, dada, surrealism, post-surrealism, last-tuesday-ism...


    The MadPanda, FCD
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    (singing) "Aaaalll we are saaaayinnng....."
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Jan. 20 2011,18:49

    Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 20 2011,18:31)
    I'm not sure about that one, but only because what passes for their manifesto is written in lolcat, and is even harder to parse than your average postmodernist essay on being and nothingness (as opposed to Sartre's work of the same name, which was simply verbose and a bit dull).

    I'm personally inclined to see lolcatism as a variation of postpostmodern dadaism on an extra shot of caffeine and too many cute cat pix rather than as an independent style of it's own, as evidenced by the proliferation of other sites in the network.

    Any work involving the lolrus and his missing bukkit, on the other hand, is clearly a cry for help cast echoing amidst the spiritually barren slums of the bourgeoisie commonly known as suburbia before being ruthlessly crushed by the banal common kultur that is conformity.

    But what the hell do I know about art?   :D


    The MadPanda, FCD
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    My wife is an artist (graduating with her MFA in May).

    She thinks the same about all the modern art movements as me... it's what we refer to as "steaming piles of horse hooey".
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Jan. 20 2011,22:09

    Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 20 2011,16:49)
    My wife is an artist (graduating with her MFA in May).

    She thinks the same about all the modern art movements as me... it's what we refer to as "steaming piles of horse hooey".
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Well, is it "steaming piles of horse hooey" al natural or "steaming piles of horse hooey" spray-painted in dayglo purple, and immortalized in resin and kept in an argon filled vault?

    There is a difference, ya'no.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Jan. 21 2011,04:56



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    She thinks the same about all the modern art movements as me... it's what we refer to as "steaming piles of horse hooey".
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    This!
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 21 2011,23:08

    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 21 2011,02:56)


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    She thinks the same about all the modern art movements as me... it's what we refer to as "steaming piles of horse hooey".
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    This!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    As opposed to modern music, which has for the most part, been dumbed down to the aural equivalent of unflavoured gelatin.  Brightly coloured, I grant you.
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Jan. 25 2011,07:40

    Wes: there is a not so bad but a bit annoying thing going on with PMs:

    When I type a PM and click the "send" button without having entered a title for the message, it prompts me to do so.

    Fine so far.

    But when I get back to the message-typing page, after entering a title, the "send" button is grayed-out and I actually have to go back to the main message folder (after copying my message so it's not lost) and start the whole process again.

    Is this normal?
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Jan. 25 2011,08:37

    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 25 2011,07:40)
    Wes: there is a not so bad but a bit annoying thing going on with PMs:

    When I type a PM and click the "send" button without having entered a title for the message, it prompts me to do so.

    Fine so far.

    But when I get back to the message-typing page, after entering a title, the "send" button is grayed-out and I actually have to go back to the main message folder (after copying my message so it's not lost) and start the whole process again.

    Is this normal?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Has happened to me as well.  i had to go back and redo the entire thing... all four words of it.  I was very sad.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 04 2011,18:02

    "Bob"'s IP address comes out of the same hosting block as does "Kris"'s. The "Bob" account has had its posting privileges terminated and "Kris" has been warned to only post by his original account.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 04 2011,18:04

    I will see what I can find out about the PM thing, but it may be sometime next week before I get spare time for it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 12 2011,22:55

    I decided it was about time to backup the BB again. By backup, I don't mean the relatively simple process of squirreling away a MySQL dump of the database and the BB script files; I mean getting the content out into plain HTML files that can be viewed and indexed by search engines. It's been a while, and it looked like I had a choice of getting my mind wrapped around PHP code I wrote back in 2006 or do something completely different. So I went with rewriting the backup script in Python.

    Along the way, I altered my method for getting a filename, so I've busted existing links to previous archives. But I think the new way is less prone to breaking on problem cases, so I'm inclined to keep it. Another thing: I got to thinking that the list of threads wasn't really enough, so I made a file consisting of links to the archive threads plus the first post from each topic. < It's a big file now, but check it out. >
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 19 2011,07:48

    Head's up, here's a new addition to the rules:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    Utilizing someone else's photographs or artwork without permission is annoying, and continued use after being requested to cease use is excessively annoying.

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    Reminder: being "annoying" gets you moderated, and being "excessively annoying" will get you banned.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 25 2011,22:14

    Everything seems very quiet. Just checking...
    Posted by: OgreMkV on May 25 2011,22:32

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 25 2011,22:14)
    Everything seems very quiet. Just checking...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It is kind of creepy...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 26 2011,06:51

    For a site admin, the silence of the commenters could always indicate some more tangible problem, from configuration to DDOS.


    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on May 26 2011,08:44

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 26 2011,12:51)
    For a site admin, the silence of the commenters could always indicate some more tangible problem, from configuration to DDOS.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or the Rapture...
    Posted by: Wolfhound on May 26 2011,09:09

    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 26 2011,09:44)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 26 2011,12:51)
    For a site admin, the silence of the commenters could always indicate some more tangible problem, from configuration to DDOS.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or the Rapture...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not on this particular site, surely.
    Posted by: J-Dog on May 26 2011,09:58

    Quote (Wolfhound @ May 26 2011,09:09)
    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 26 2011,09:44)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 26 2011,12:51)
    For a site admin, the silence of the commenters could always indicate some more tangible problem, from configuration to DDOS.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Or the Rapture...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not on this particular site, surely.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes, you are correct...and don't call me surely!
    Posted by: Quack on June 08 2011,04:25

    Moving all my stuff to a new hard disk Win7 installation, I find I am unable to post replies at PT from the new installation.

    I enter name and email address the same as they appear in the old installation but when I type something and click preview I get this message:

    Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:
    Invalid request.

    Browser is Firefox.

    I have no idea about what the problem may be. I hope somebody have.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 08 2011,05:48

    Quote (Quack @ June 08 2011,04:25)
    Moving all my stuff to another hard disk Win7 installation, I find I am unable to post replies at PT from the new installation.

    I enter name and email address the same as they appear in the old installation but when I type something and click preview I get this message:

    Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:
    Invalid request

    I have no idea about what the problem may be. I hope somebody have.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't have a specific cause in mind, but clear your browser's cache and re-try.
    Posted by: Quack on June 08 2011,06:08

    I got through with IE9. Have a problem clearing the FF cache, expect to fare better if I replace Norwegian edition with English. But can live with IE for a while.

    ETA: Even better, I am using Chrome now. It works too, and looks great.

    ETA1: Removed OT stuff.

    Rolf
    Posted by: OgreMkV on June 15 2011,14:47

    I'm getting the stuck page issue on the Bathroom Wall.  It says there are new posts, but I can't see anything past 12:38 Wednesday.

    I've cleared the cache in IE8.  No effect.

    Thanks
    Posted by: rossum on June 16 2011,09:05

    Is there any news on the issue at talk.origins beyond "the robo-moderator is on vacation"?

    rossum
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 23 2011,11:31

    Yea! AtBC is alive...
    Posted by: Freddie on June 23 2011,12:48

    I was beginning to think it was just me as no-one else had mentioned it!
    Posted by: Henry J on June 23 2011,13:49

    At least two people mentioned it on different PT threads.
    Posted by: fnxtr on June 23 2011,22:41

    Quote (Henry J @ June 23 2011,11:49)
    At least two people mentioned it on different PT threads.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're right! I mentioned it, and I'm at least two people!
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 23 2011,22:49

    Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2011,20:41)
    Quote (Henry J @ June 23 2011,11:49)
    At least two people mentioned it on different PT threads.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're right! I mentioned it, and I'm at least two people!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Did you forget to take your frog skin pills again?
    Posted by: fnxtr on June 24 2011,08:44

    Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2011,20:41)
    Quote (Henry J @ June 23 2011,11:49)
    At least two people mentioned it on different PT threads.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're right! I mentioned it, and I'm at least two people!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Shut up, both of you!
    Posted by: Louis on June 28 2011,10:53

    Ok, I might be behind the times here, but what the hell is with censoring the word "N.A.Z.I."?

    I realise we have a bad case of creationists, and those guys just LOVE to call people "N.A.Z.I.S.", but really? Censorship? Bad form....or at least un-purged spam filter settings. ;-)

    What next? Censoring the word "creationist"?

    Louis
    Posted by: OgreMkV on June 28 2011,10:56

    Quote (Louis @ June 28 2011,10:53)
    Ok, I might be behind the times here, but what the hell is with censoring the word "N.A.Z.I."?

    I realise we have a bad case of creationists, and those guys just LOVE to call people "N.A.Z.I.S.", but really? Censorship? Bad form....or at least un-purged spam filter settings. ;-)

    What next? Censoring the word "****"?

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What word were you asking about?  Just out of curiosity...
    Posted by: Louis on June 28 2011,10:59

    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 28 2011,16:56)
    Quote (Louis @ June 28 2011,10:53)
    Ok, I might be behind the times here, but what the hell is with censoring the word "N.A.Z.I."?

    I realise we have a bad case of creationists, and those guys just LOVE to call people "N.A.Z.I.S.", but really? Censorship? Bad form....or at least un-purged spam filter settings. ;-)

    What next? Censoring the word "****"?

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What word were you asking about?  Just out of curiosity...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Funny. I like it. You, sir, win a prize. Please collect your kiss from Denyse O'Leary at the front desk.*

    Louis

    *Not suitable? Handjob from Casey Luskin? Rusty Trombone from Ken Ham? I can go on....censorship inspires me!
    Posted by: J-Dog on June 28 2011,12:31

    Quote (Louis @ June 28 2011,10:59)
    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 28 2011,16:56)
     
    Quote (Louis @ June 28 2011,10:53)
    Ok, I might be behind the times here, but what the hell is with censoring the word "N.A.Z.I."?

    I realise we have a bad case of creationists, and those guys just LOVE to call people "N.A.Z.I.S.", but really? Censorship? Bad form....or at least un-purged spam filter settings. ;-)

    What next? Censoring the word "****"?

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What word were you asking about?  Just out of curiosity...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Funny. I like it. You, sir, win a prize. Please collect your kiss from Denyse O'Leary at the front desk.*

    Louis

    *Not suitable? Handjob from Casey Luskin? Rusty Trombone from Ken Ham? I can go on....censorship inspires me!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    BA^77 CAN HAZ SOLU^SHUN!@!111

    NA^ZI!

    KEN^HAM!

    DEN^ISE
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 02 2011,08:43

    I'm doing some changes to inconvenience trolls. Hopefully they don't inconvenience other people, or too much inconvenience other people. Our most persistent troll would like us to close down registrations. I am loath to take that step, and I think I have a strategy to make the trolling a good deal more time-consuming than the remaining anti-trolling routines that are left to the moderators.
    Posted by: Kristine on July 02 2011,09:50

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 02 2011,08:43)
    I'm doing some changes to inconvenience trolls. Hopefully they don't inconvenience other people, or too much inconvenience other people. Our most persistent troll would like us to close down registrations. I am loath to take that step, and I think I have a strategy to make the trolling a good deal more time-consuming than the remaining anti-trolling routines that are left to the moderators.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    *Thumbs up*

    I agree that no changes to the registration process is needed. :)
    Posted by: Badger3k on July 02 2011,16:24

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 02 2011,08:43)
    I'm doing some changes to inconvenience trolls. Hopefully they don't inconvenience other people, or too much inconvenience other people. Our most persistent troll would like us to close down registrations. I am loath to take that step, and I think I have a strategy to make the trolling a good deal more time-consuming than the remaining anti-trolling routines that are left to the moderators.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Can't you just block the ISP he uses, or is he using multiple ones that would cause a major blockage (like an entire city)?

    Although I'm getting used to seeing his posts in my newsreader - kinda like saying hi to the drunken bum lying in the street outside of your job everyday (or seeing the incoherent graffiti some druggie keeps putting on the sidewalk).
    Posted by: Louis on July 02 2011,16:53

    I thought there might be some Mabus involved.

    Hmmmm. What to do what to do?

    Louis
    Posted by: fnxtr on July 03 2011,01:32

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 02 2011,06:43)
    I'm doing some changes to inconvenience trolls. Hopefully they don't inconvenience other people, or too much inconvenience other people. Our most persistent troll would like us to close down registrations. I am loath to take that step, and I think I have a strategy to make the trolling a good deal more time-consuming than the remaining anti-trolling routines that are left to the moderators.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    I say let 'er rip, WRE. I'm up for a small inconvenience if it means demabusizing.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 03 2011,08:06

    He hasn't gotten a new registration through since the changes I put in yesterday. I tested a registration myself to make sure that other people could do it.
    Posted by: Kristine on July 05 2011,08:43

    Quote (Louis @ July 02 2011,16:53)
    I thought there might be some Mabus involved.

    Hmmmm. What to do what to do?

    Louis
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    All I'm going to say is, one can employ than one computer (one in which I am signed into my account, and one in which I'm not) and one can have more than one tab open. It got so that I could flush him before anyone sent me a notice. Why this has not occurred to him is anyone's guess, but now it's too late. :)

    ETA - grammar correction


    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 18 2011,22:38

    Ikonboard has been running/serving dog-slow the last couple weeks.

    Any notion why, and whether that can be corrected?
    Posted by: Dr.GH on July 19 2011,00:15

    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 18 2011,20:38)
    Ikonboard has been running/serving dog-slow the last couple weeks.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Same here. Vista, Firefox, ISP=Cox if that is any help.

    PT and the TO archive show up pronto.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 19 2011,05:19

    I'm not sure why, but there were about nine Ikonboard processes that were just running and running. TWEP'd. It's more responsive now.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on July 19 2011,10:37

    All peppy and bright.  :D
    Posted by: rossum on July 21 2011,07:28

    I was trying to search the Talk Origins Archive site today, but Google is rejecting all searches:

    "We're sorry...

    ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now."

    I can search Google normally from my computer.

    Has someone hacked into talkorigins.org?

    rossum
    Posted by: noncarborundum on July 21 2011,10:17

    Quote (rossum @ July 21 2011,07:28)
    I was trying to search the Talk Origins Archive site today, but Google is rejecting all searches:

    "We're sorry...

    ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now."

    I can search Google normally from my computer.

    Has someone hacked into talkorigins.org?

    rossum
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't see the symptom you describe, so I don't think it's a problem at talkorigins.  Perhaps your ISP is doing something weird?
    Posted by: Dr.GH on July 21 2011,10:32

    Quote (rossum @ July 21 2011,05:28)
    I was trying to search the Talk Origins Archive site today, but Google is rejecting all searches:

    "We're sorry...

    ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now."

    I can search Google normally from my computer.

    Has someone hacked into talkorigins.org?

    rossum
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Me too. I just checked.

    It only happend using the "search" function inside TO. An external Google search from my broswer window returned TO URLs without any problem.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 21 2011,17:42

    I've got some home improvement stuff to get down before dark, but I'll have a look at the search issue later.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 21 2011,20:39

    There's feedback on Google from other people using Google's custom web search who are getting similar results. This appears to be a Google problem.

    A non-Google person suggests generating a new Google custom search to replace the non-working one. I may give that a try.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2011,07:06

    I've updated the TOA search page with the new Google search. I'm not happy about it.
    Posted by: rossum on July 22 2011,07:26

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 22 2011,07:06)
    I've updated the TOA search page with the new Google search. I'm not happy about it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It may look strange, but it works now.

    Thanks for the fix.

    rossum
    Posted by: Dr.GH on July 22 2011,11:31

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 22 2011,05:06)
    I've updated the TOA search page with the new Google search. I'm not happy about it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It works.

    Thanks Wes.  :D
    Posted by: midwifetoad on July 24 2011,22:42

    I'm getting a Google virus warning on the uncommonly dense thread.
    Posted by: Woodbine on July 25 2011,00:15

    Same here. Using Chrome....


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    www.antievolution.org contains content from www.mathsavers.com, a site known to distribute malware.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: rossum on July 25 2011,05:47

    Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2011,00:15)
    Same here. Using Chrome....
     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    www.antievolution.org contains content from www.mathsavers.com, a site known to distribute malware.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Looking at the HTML, FtK's avatar image is from there:

    < http://www.mathsavers.com/graphics/light/light_heaven_10.jpg >

    rossum
    Posted by: midwifetoad on July 25 2011,06:24

    Could someone in the mod department look at that?

    I can't view the thread.
    Posted by: steve_h on July 25 2011,16:02

    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 25 2011,13:24)
    Could someone in the mod department look at that?

    I can't view the thread.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Temporary workaround:  

    Your Control Panel -> Account Options

    Do you wish to view members avatars when reading threads? [No]
    Posted by: khan on Aug. 13 2011,15:43

    Did the appearance of the site change? Or is that my imagination?
    Not a complaint.
    Posted by: Quack on Sep. 04 2011,05:42

    It may be my own stupidity but even if I have been able to search the forum before but today I am unable to find any of my own posts this month or year no matter what search words and options I chose.

    I got some threads when searching 'Jesus' though...
    Posted by: sledgehammer on Sep. 04 2011,09:27

    Quote (Quack @ Sep. 04 2011,03:42)
    It may be my own stupidity but even if I have been able to search the forum before but today I am unable to find any of my own posts this month or year no matter what search words and options I chose.

    I got some threads when searching 'Jesus' though...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Click on your name, and an author search box will appear w/ a pull-down menu of all authors, but if you just wait a bit, your name will appear.
    I agree, though,  search in ikonboard is just plain wierd.
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Sep. 12 2011,08:17

    Is Panda's Thumb down? or is it just me?
    Posted by: rossum on Sep. 12 2011,08:58

    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 12 2011,08:17)
    Is Panda's Thumb down? or is it just me?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Me to, so it's not just you.

    rossum
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 12 2011,10:59

    Same here.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Sep. 12 2011,12:30

    PT is down from here as well.

    IIRC, the TO archive and PT are on the same server, and TO is up and running.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 12 2011,13:45

    It's back!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 12 2011,19:56

    The TOA, the server handling PT email and AE, and the PT server are three separate machines now.

    Reed said the PT server had frozen and had to be rebooted.
    Posted by: ppb on Sep. 14 2011,13:20

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 12 2011,20:56)
    The TOA, the server handling PT email and AE, and the PT server are three separate machines now.

    Reed said the PT server had frozen and had to be rebooted.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    www.antievolution.org has been giving me "500 - Internal Server Error" all day.
    Posted by: Quack on Sep. 18 2011,04:12

    This is unimportant but i just want to show what often happens when as I often do, click on "New Posts".

    I get cryptic headers like

    Similar To Meridia
    Valium Administration IvValium Administration Muscle Spasm Feedback TruscuctTaf 0 0 Sep. 18 2011,03:16
    Last Post: -TruscuctTaf-

    The topic starters always have such odd, cryptic names.

    Suppose there is a quirk in the board engine.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 18 2011,06:39

    The "Feedback" forum doesn't require a login, therefore the spammers have a place to play.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 18 2011,17:49

    And their baloney has a first name?

    Henry
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Sep. 18 2011,19:06

    Could I mention here that Panda's Thumb picks up the wrong name from my google login? It displays my email address instead of my screen name. Kind of annoying.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 18 2011,19:26

    I'll pass that on to Reed Cartwright. That seems to be a built-in bug from Movable Type, though.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 18 2011,21:27

    Oh, one of those undocumented features?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2011,19:58

    If I recall correctly, new users are currently restricted to posting on AtBC forum threads. The rest of the bulletin board requires higher privilege to post on.
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Oct. 21 2011,12:41

    I seem to be having serious trouble with quotes today.  If there is anything after the 'quote' tag (like "=user"), it won't accept it.

    I'm just quoting, not typing in the quote myself.

    OTOH, it's Friday and I has the dumb today.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 05 2011,14:05

    Anyone else having trouble getting to PT today?
    Posted by: BWE on Dec. 05 2011,14:46

    yes
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Dec. 05 2011,16:51

    If you can't read this, then you're having trouble.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 05 2011,19:13

    Both servers seem to have independently developed problems. Degas (the host for this site) is serving pages again, but Reed's server is still down and he won't be back to work on it until sometime tomorrow. I've offered to poke around if Reed sends me access information, but I don't know whether he'll take me up on the offer or even get the message before tomorrow.
    Posted by: Kattarina98 on Dec. 08 2011,13:46

    After one day online, the Panda seems to be offline again - or is it just me?
    Posted by: Kristine on Dec. 08 2011,13:56

    Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 08 2011,13:46)
    After one day online, the Panda seems to be offline again - or is it just me?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    It just came up for me.
    Posted by: Paul Flocken on Jan. 09 2012,17:16

    Nearly two weeks of no PT and the shakes are setting in.  Is there any news about when the migration will take place?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 10 2012,23:22

    Quote (Paul Flocken @ Jan. 09 2012,17:16)
    Nearly two weeks of no PT and the shakes are setting in.  Is there any news about when the migration will take place?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I set the new DNS for PT about an hour ago.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 11 2012,13:25

    ...and there was much rejoicing.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 14 2012,09:24

    I'm having a connectivity issue from my home network to AtBC and other sites on the server. If you have experienced a problem connecting from certain networks in the past week, please send me a description of the problem that you have seen. I'm having difficulty convincing my ISP that this is serious.

    Email to w e l s b e r r at g m a i l dot c o m (remove spaces, convert to symbols as indicated). The problem is affecting my normal email, too.
    Posted by: The whole truth on Jan. 28 2012,03:34

    Can anyone here tell me why I can't post anything on Panda's Thumb? I've tried every way I can think of and nothing works. I've tried Open ID, Google sign in, Wordpress sign in, Blogger sign in, etc. I've conversed with Reed Cartright via email, with no remedy.

    When I try to post there I get the comment page, I type my comment, I click preview and the preview shows up, I click submit and then this shows up:

    "Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:
    Invalid request", in red letters.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 28 2012,07:18

    Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 28 2012,03:34)
    Can anyone here tell me why I can't post anything on Panda's Thumb? I've tried every way I can think of and nothing works. I've tried Open ID, Google sign in, Wordpress sign in, Blogger sign in, etc. I've conversed with Reed Cartright via email, with no remedy.

    When I try to post there I get the comment page, I type my comment, I click preview and the preview shows up, I click submit and then this shows up:

    "Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:
    Invalid request", in red letters.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Have you tried a different browser? What is the browser, OS, etc. that you are using?
    Posted by: The whole truth on Jan. 28 2012,10:16

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 28 2012,05:18)
    Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 28 2012,03:34)
    Can anyone here tell me why I can't post anything on Panda's Thumb? I've tried every way I can think of and nothing works. I've tried Open ID, Google sign in, Wordpress sign in, Blogger sign in, etc. I've conversed with Reed Cartright via email, with no remedy.

    When I try to post there I get the comment page, I type my comment, I click preview and the preview shows up, I click submit and then this shows up:

    "Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:
    Invalid request", in red letters.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Have you tried a different browser? What is the browser, OS, etc. that you are using?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm using Vista and the latest version of Firefox. I also tried with an older version of Firefox.

    I'm going to be off line pretty soon, until later tonight.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Jan. 28 2012,16:29

    I just left a comment. I signed in with my Facebook ID.
    Posted by: Kattarina98 on Mar. 09 2012,04:02

    Oh noes - my last post on "Joe's Tardgasm" doesn't show, even though is it mentioned as the last post of the thread. Is it my browser?
    Posted by: Freddie on Mar. 09 2012,04:17

    Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 09 2012,04:02)
    Oh noes - my last post on "Joe's Tardgasm" doesn't show, even though is it mentioned as the last post of the thread. Is it my browser?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Page bump bug - wait for the next post and it will show up on a new page I believe.
    Posted by: Lou FCD on Mar. 09 2012,05:36

    Quote (Freddie @ Mar. 09 2012,05:17)
     
    Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 09 2012,04:02)
    Oh noes - my last post on "Joe's Tardgasm" doesn't show, even though is it mentioned as the last post of the thread. Is it my browser?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Page bump bug - wait for the next post and it will show up on a new page I believe.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes. It happens sometimes when a bunch of posts get moved to the BW in one of the threads, though usually it happens in that thread.

    ETA: Should be fixed now.


    Posted by: Kattarina98 on Mar. 09 2012,06:06

    Thanks! For a moment, I thought I was in moderation.   ;-)
    Posted by: Schroedinger's Dog on Mar. 09 2012,06:54



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Yes. It happens sometimes when a bunch of posts get moved to the BW in one of the threads, though usually it happens in that thread
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    One has to wonder why... :p
    Posted by: The whole truth on Mar. 30 2012,03:10

    I've been under the impression that only certain people can start new threads here but then I noticed the new topic button. So, I'm wondering if anyone can start a new thread and if there are any guidelines, rules, or special permissions that apply?


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 30 2012,03:29

    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 30 2012,03:10)
    I've been under the impression that only certain people can start new threads here but then I noticed the new topic button. So, I'm wondering if anyone can start a new thread and if there are any guidelines, rules, or special permissions that apply?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The general rule is that you check through the already-existing threads to see if one of those is close enough for your post. Only if no existing thread is suitable should you start a new thread. It should be titled such that it can be re-used in the future. For example, a new topic I recently created was one for discussing "Religion and Co-Workers". The spur to doing so was the Coppedge v. JPL case, but with that title, it also covers the old Peloza case and any future cases with similar issues at play.

    Obviously, there has been quite a bit of topic creation that doesn't meet these desiderata. If you find an old topic that could be re-purposed with a different title, send it to me as a suggestion via PM. Birthday threads get a pass.

    If you start lots of new threads willy-nilly that are needlessly specific, that would be annoying. They will be closed and you might lose new topic creation privileges.

    Thanks for asking about what works.
    Posted by: The whole truth on Mar. 30 2012,03:33

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 30 2012,01:29)
    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 30 2012,03:10)
    I've been under the impression that only certain people can start new threads here but then I noticed the new topic button. So, I'm wondering if anyone can start a new thread and if there are any guidelines, rules, or special permissions that apply?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The general rule is that you check through the already-existing threads to see if one of those is close enough for your post. Only if no existing thread is suitable should you start a new thread. It should be titled such that it can be re-used in the future. For example, a new topic I recently created was one for discussing "Religion and Co-Workers". The spur to doing so was the Coppedge v. JPL case, but with that title, it also covers the old Peloza case and any future cases with similar issues at play.

    Obviously, there has been quite a bit of topic creation that doesn't meet these desiderata. If you find an old topic that could be re-purposed with a different title, send it to me as a suggestion via PM. Birthday threads get a pass.

    If you start lots of new threads willy-nilly that are needlessly specific, that would be annoying. They will be closed and you might lose new topic creation privileges.

    Thanks for asking about what works.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks for the information Wesley.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on May 13 2012,09:14

    This site no longer works on the Kindle Fire. It did until a few days ago, by now the latest post the comes up is 2005. If I try to limit it to the last 90 days it says there are no posts in the range.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2012,11:50

    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 13 2012,09:14)
    This site no longer works on the Kindle Fire. It did until a few days ago, by now the latest post the comes up is 2005. If I try to limit it to the last 90 days it says there are no posts in the range.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What does the Kindle Fire use for a browser?

    I don't recall making any changes to the site in that timeframe.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2012,11:56

    I see a recommendation to test sites with Chrome or Safari as similar Webkit-based browsers. I've writing this response via Chrome, and stuff is working fine.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on May 13 2012,19:43

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 13 2012,11:50)
    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 13 2012,09:14)
    This site no longer works on the Kindle Fire. It did until a few days ago, by now the latest post the comes up is 2005. If I try to limit it to the last 90 days it says there are no posts in the range.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What does the Kindle Fire use for a browser?

    I don't recall making any changes to the site in that timeframe.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Their browser is called Silk. I just realized that it started defaulting to the highest numbered thread in the AtBC section. I haven't tested it to see if this was something i did or whether it will revert to this.
    Posted by: Henry J on May 13 2012,19:57

    I don't get how a browser could limit the date range if it gets into the site at all.

    Could it be chopping off part of a list of page number links? See if forums and topics with fewer pages show everything up to their last post.

    Henry
    Posted by: midwifetoad on May 17 2012,13:39

    In case it isn't clear, I found and solved my problem.

    If you click on After the Bar Closes, the lower page numbers are always the more recent.

    Within a thread, the higher page numbers are more recent.

    Somehow I got the browser stuck in the wrong page, and asking to sort by most recent did not fix it.
    Posted by: sledgehammer on May 17 2012,17:38

    Occasionally, (just now, actually) when I enter AtBC from the anti-ev discussion page, (which recently started popping up when tabs reload after restarting firefox 12.0, even though it was pointed to AtBC)  it starts me at some random thread page, even though I have "most recent" checked.  Drove me nuts for a bit, but now I just shrug and click the appropriate numbered page.
     It started a few months ago.  Don't know if it's ikonboard, my browser, or both, but I've gotten used to it.
    Posted by: Quack on May 18 2012,15:51

    I always start with a click on the "New posts" tag.
    Posted by: Kristine on July 12 2012,22:21

    I just encountered the problem that Schroedinger's Dog mentioned: unable to post because of a "you have too many images" canned error. I have to put in (snip) and then my post in edit mode.

    ETA - Of course, here my post worked as usual.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 13 2012,06:29

    Quote (Kristine @ July 12 2012,22:21)
    I just encountered the problem that Schroedinger's Dog mentioned: unable to post because of a "you have too many images" canned error. I have to put in (snip) and then my post in edit mode.

    ETA - Of course, here my post worked as usual.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I've tried a couple of posts and haven't yet replicated the problem. I'll try to look into it some more this weekend.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on April 19 2013,06:08

    I have a new topic for proposal:

    AiG's new "Ice Age" [strike]poor job[/strike] "project".

    [Link here.]



    < The "ice age project". >
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 19 2013,06:14

    < Everything 'Answers In Genesis' >

    I re-purposed an existing AiG thread.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on April 21 2013,15:36

    Can we have a CreationWiki thread?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 21 2013,16:09

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ April 21 2013,15:36)
    Can we have a CreationWiki thread?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    < This thread > started with Conservapedia, but also mentions CreationWiki. I've changed the thread title for greater generality.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 22 2013,11:05

    Is there an Ubuntu Server / LXC container guru in the house? Please contact me via PM.
    Posted by: Kattarina98 on April 22 2013,16:15

    Hi Wesley,
    I just tried to sign in at the Panda's Thumb to thank them for commemorating the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (April 19, 1943) with the photo of a daffodil but the captchas are nearly black and not readable.
    If this is the same server, or if you can contact the person which works with it, please tell them.

    Thank you!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 22 2013,17:13

    Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 22 2013,16:15)
    Hi Wesley,
    I just tried to sign in at the Panda's Thumb to thank them for commemorating the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (April 19, 1943) with the photo of a daffodil but the captchas are nearly black and not readable.
    If this is the same server, or if you can contact the person which works with it, please tell them.

    Thank you!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't know if it was you, but someone complained in email and I forwarded that to Reed Cartwright. PT itself is on Reed's server currently.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on April 22 2013,17:23

    I complained some days ago. I had to import the captcha into photoshop and play with the contrast to read it, all the time trying to keep the login process alive. It took several tries.
    Posted by: Just Bob on May 04 2013,14:16

    Drop Sandefur! (or at least make him play by everyone else's rules)

    Bring back Harold!
    Posted by: Henry J on May 15 2013,13:34

    When I go to < http://www.talkorigins.org/....ins.org > and try to access one of its options, I get this:



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Reported Attack Page!

             This web page at www.talkorigins.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

             Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 15 2013,14:42

    Quote (Henry J @ May 15 2013,13:34)
    When I go to < http://www.talkorigins.org/....ins....ins.org > and try to access one of its options, I get this:

     

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Reported Attack Page!

             This web page at www.talkorigins.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

             Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm looking into this. Since the TOA is entirely static HTML, to get that somebody would have to have FTP level access to change things. Either that, or making a false report of a problem.
    Posted by: Cubist on May 15 2013,16:56

    Just pointed my browser to < http://www.talkorigins.org/,...., > to see if I could duplicate HenryJ's report. I did not. Instead, I got a "404—file not found" error. If this is because Wes is doing something tech-y under the hood, so be it; if not, I hope that whatever the problem is, it's not serious.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 15 2013,17:23

    Somebody, apparently in India, managed either a crack or exploit and loaded up a bunch of our files with a malware payload in script.

    We've removed anything executable, changed our passwords, and will be applying a backup.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on May 16 2013,11:53

    I just caught the 404 Not Found from my T.O. bookmark in Firefox. It affected Home page, and individual articles.

    May 16, 9:50
    Posted by: The whole truth on May 16 2013,21:31

    Quote (Dr.GH @ May 16 2013,09:53)
    I just caught the 404 Not Found from my T.O. bookmark in Firefox. It affected Home page, and individual articles.

    May 16, 9:50
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I also get a 404 page.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on May 17 2013,09:52

    T.O. is Back!

    Bravo Wes.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 17 2013,09:59

    Quote (Dr.GH @ May 17 2013,09:52)
    T.O. is Back!

    Bravo Wes.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks also to Doug Theobald, who has been regularly backing up the Archive, so we didn't have to step back far to get to a clean set of files to restore.

    The old host, Lunarpages, only permitted FTP for file transfers. We suspect the cracking was due to a man-in-the-middle attack getting the FTP login password. If that was the case, then every file transfer could potentially compromise the whole site. We aren't there anymore.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on May 20 2013,19:59

    Some of the pages of the TOA aren't working. Is it due to the Java, or what. I can't do anything than read the FAQs. Elsberry, can you fix it? Some of them, include the What's-New Page, and add a new link.

    ETA: Typo
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 20 2013,21:16

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ May 20 2013,19:59)
    Some of the pages of the TOA aren't working. Is it due to the Java, or what. I can't do anything than read the FAQs. Elsberry, can you fix it? Some of them, include the What's-New Page, and add a new link.

    ETA: Typo
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes. Everything that depended on scripting, server-side execution, etc., does not work currently. There will likely be another server change in the near future, so I'm not looking to push to get a version working now that will have to change. But, yes, getting the full system operational is in the plans.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on May 25 2013,10:38

    The section where all of the FAQs are listed isn't working. As in the url, < http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs..... >
    Posted by: Texas Teach on June 01 2013,10:17

    Had a post try to disappear earlier, though I managed to find it by going back in my browser.  I noticed that it showed as posting at the same time as another comment in another thread.  Last night, the same thing happened, and seemed to disappear a comment by J-dog that was listed as simultaneous with another.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 01 2013,12:42

    Surely you're not saying that the forum software isn't thread safe!
    Posted by: Woodbine on June 03 2013,16:46

    I'm always stuck in the past.

    My clock says 22:35 but the newest post says 22:42.

    It's been this way for donkey's years and it's not a problem; just wondering if it's only my time that's out of joint?
    Posted by: Texas Teach on June 03 2013,17:12

    Quote (Woodbine @ June 03 2013,16:46)
    I'm always stuck in the past.

    My clock says 22:35 but the newest post says 22:42.

    It's been this way for donkey's years and it's not a problem; just wondering if it's only my time that's out of joint?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Same here.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 03 2013,22:18

    Posted at 9:10 pm my time.

    Display says 21:18.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 04 2013,07:22

    I've done some messing about with NTPD, and it does look like there is a problem there. I've manually set the clock back and I'll be looking for the NTPD fix.
    Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on June 07 2013,10:26

    Why won't this board let me use the word Nostrad@mus?
    Posted by: rossum on June 07 2013,15:00

    Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ June 07 2013,10:26)
    Why won't this board let me use the word Nostrad@mus?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Mabus/Markuze is somewhat fond of it...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 08 2013,19:05

    Anybody care to work up a "Breathtaking Inanity of the Week" graphic? We could use one.
    Posted by: Cubist on June 08 2013,21:01

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 08 2013,19:05)
    Anybody care to work up a "Breathtaking Inanity of the Week" graphic? We could use one.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Will this do?



    Take it and use it with my complements, if you like.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 11 2013,16:52

    Quote (Cubist @ June 08 2013,19:01)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 08 2013,19:05)
    Anybody care to work up a "Breathtaking Inanity of the Week" graphic? We could use one.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Will this do?



    Take it and use it with my complements, if you like.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I like that.
    Posted by: Henry J on June 11 2013,23:14

    But, I need my breath! I don't want something that takes it away! ;)
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on July 17 2013,05:19

    I'd like to see Thrinaxodon's "Human Devonian" origins appear in the t.o. CC Index. Most relevant is that he occasionally pushes it in t.o. I'd like to see a resource refuting his asinine crap.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 17 2013,06:25

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,05:19)
    I'd like to see Thrinaxodon's "Human Devonian" origins appear in the t.o. CC Index. Most relevant is that he occasionally pushes it in t.o. I'd like to see a resource refuting his asinine crap.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Mark Isaac's criterion for inclusion in the Index is publication of the claim. Troll comments do not count as publication.

    Give me a citation to where it is published and a rough draft of a response for the Index.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on July 17 2013,06:59

    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >

    CLAIM: Man originated in the Devonian. There are finds indicate that Man is at least 395 Ma. They were found at the Hunsruck locality. However, the people at the Leakey Foundation are hiding the evidence. They are indoctrinating people.

    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    2. The Hunsruck locality is Early Devonian.

    3. There is no 'conspiracy against the truth'. All the evidence indicates man at least evolved 7 million years ago.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins [I]
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 17 2013,11:27

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >


    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins [I]
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No, the claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on July 17 2013,15:47

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >


    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 17 2013,15:57

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
     
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
     
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >


    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed what?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 20 2013,20:16

    Lightning + transformer = lights out.

    Things are back now.
    Posted by: Arctodus23 on July 27 2013,21:55

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,15:57)
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
       
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
       
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >


    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed what?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Look above.

    Oh! I developed a cancelbot script. Available if anyone wants to try it:

    file:///C:/Users/sciencewizz/Documents/usenetcancelbot.oy.py
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 27 2013,23:27

    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 27 2013,21:55)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,15:57)
     
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
         
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
         
    Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
    < http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian. >


    RESPONSES

    1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

    REFERENCES:

    1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

    Jamie L. Russell,

    Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

    William D. Hopkins
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Fixed what?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Look above.

    Oh! I developed a cancelbot script. Available if anyone wants to try it:

    file:///C:/Users/sciencewizz/Documents/usenetcancelbot.oy.py
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I did look above. There's still no citation of publication for the claim.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 23 2013,09:13

    Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?
    Posted by: Cubist on Sep. 23 2013,14:19

    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2013,09:13)
    Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Just tried, and got in without any trouble.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 24 2013,00:19

    Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 23 2013,12:19)
     
    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2013,09:13)
    Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Just tried, and got in without any trouble.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    my bookmark doesn't have the www, could that be it?

    eta: yup, that was it.

    eta eta: when I go back to "main" from "archives" I get the same problem.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 31 2013,18:33

    I've had one report of a problem where pages from this site partially load, then everything blanks out. I know it is tough to get feedback from those affected, but anyway... anybody else seeing that? Please post OS, browser version, and URL if you can.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Nov. 01 2013,08:33

    Kindle Fire. The only problem is that links to posts always bring up the top of the page, rather than scroll to the post. This is a common but not universal glitch with the Kindle.  TSZ works correctly.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 02 2013,00:53

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 31 2013,17:33)
    I've had one report of a problem where pages from this site partially load, then everything blanks out. I know it is tough to get feedback from those affected, but anyway... anybody else seeing that? Please post OS, browser version, and URL if you can.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm seeing that now. Last two pages of the Gary thread, and the last page there is fairly short so it isn't the length. Also this thread. If I hit escape before it finishes the stuff below the actual thread and the picture loading, I can read it.

    Firefox 3.6.28.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Nov. 02 2013,12:06

    I'm using the latest Firefox version, and have not seen any problems.
    Posted by: Glen Davidson on Nov. 02 2013,12:25

    Mine just takes a while to come up, using Firefox.  Usually it's been about as quick to appear as most any website, and now it might take a minute or so.  Once here it works fairly well, but I think a bit more slowly than previously.

    Glen Davidson
    Posted by: NoName on Nov. 12 2013,09:47

    Do we have the reoccurrence of the page bug in the thread dedicated to Gary Gaulin?
    I posted a reply but it didn't show up.  I left the site, came back and saw I was listed as author of the most recent post, but that post is still not visible or accessible.
    Thanks for checking/fixing or clarifying what I'm doing wrong, as the case may be.

    ETA:  And now, roughly half an hour later, there's a new post in the thread, at the bottom of the page, and no sign of mine.
    Very odd…
    Posted by: Quack on Nov. 12 2013,15:25

    What a pity, I'd have loved to read it.
    Posted by: NoName on Nov. 12 2013,15:32

    Quote (Quack @ Nov. 12 2013,15:25)
    What a pity, I'd have loved to read it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You're too kind ;-)

    It had little that was genuinely new, but that's to be expected given what it was addressed to.
    But definitely an annoying surprise, I worked hard on that response (partially due to the pita of adding 'in line' remarks).
    Posted by: Quack on Nov. 12 2013,16:33

    I thought so. In such cases, I c&p the entry from the edit window to msword during the process. Then I can preview, add/edit links and quotes before posting. Html/url's can be copied between the two without any problems.

    I have even made it a habit to use tinyurl for links so I won't have to worry about non-functioning links.

    If your keybard doesn't have them (mine doesn't), I use ALT + numeric 91/93 for [ and ] when I need them.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 26 2013,03:58

    SiteMeter has turned evil. I've seen the popup video that others have mentioned, and have traced it back to stuff that comes with the SiteMeter counter. I'll be removing SiteMeter from this site the next chance I get to work on the code.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 26 2013,21:26

    Something turned evil? Call Buffy! Or the Halliwell sisters! They slay it!

    (Or vanquish it, depending on which one you call. )

    Henry
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 27 2013,12:34

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 26 2013,19:26)
    Something turned evil? Call Buffy! Or the Halliwell sisters! They slay it!

    (Or vanquish it, depending on which one you call. )

    Henry
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I was wondering what became of Ginger. Didn't know she had a sister, though.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 27 2013,22:51

    Ginger? Who's that?
    Posted by: Quack on Nov. 28 2013,03:39

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 27 2013,22:51)
    Ginger? Who's that?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ale?
    Posted by: Bob O'H on Nov. 28 2013,09:45

    Quote (Quack @ Nov. 28 2013,03:39)
    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 27 2013,22:51)
    Ginger? Who's that?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ale?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Geri, I assume.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Nov. 28 2013,14:05

    I have not seen any videos appear.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 07 2013,17:59

    The major ice storm that hit the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex late on Dec. 5th took out power to over a quarter million homes and businesses, including where the server for this site resides. The power was restored in the evening of the 6th, but the server motherboard had been damaged. Getting the system disk into a new box and configured to boot properly took a good chunk of the 7th. We are back up, though this is a stopgap measure. The transition to another server was already in the works. The first domain on the new server is talkorigins.org. As I get time, I'll be moving the web applications from the current server to the new one.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 07 2013,18:20

    Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, Wes.
    Posted by: BillB on Dec. 08 2013,21:32

    Given the timing I am fairly confident that Barry Arrington would have interpreted the event as an act of God, and an affirmation that he is right and just in his actions ...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 09 2013,01:27

    Quote (BillB @ Dec. 08 2013,21:32)
    Given the timing I am fairly confident that Barry Arrington would have interpreted the event as an act of God, and an affirmation that he is right and just in his actions ...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    If that were the case, given that the ice storm likely caused three deaths so far and cut power to over a quarter million homes and businesses, one would be justified in inferring that Arrington's deity had lousy aim and no empathy for those caught in the collateral damage.
    Posted by: BillB on Dec. 09 2013,01:54

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 09 2013,07:27)
    Quote (BillB @ Dec. 08 2013,21:32)
    Given the timing I am fairly confident that Barry Arrington would have interpreted the event as an act of God, and an affirmation that he is right and just in his actions ...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    If that were the case, given that the ice storm likely caused three deaths so far and cut power to over a quarter million homes and businesses, one would be justified in inferring that Arrington's deity had lousy aim and no empathy for those caught in the collateral damage.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    God aims in mysterious ways ... the people who died were being punished ... the people inconvenienced were also being punished because some of them are gay/muslim/not_part_of_my_preferred_branch_of_christianity/atheist ... [insert your preferred theological excuse on behalf of imaginary deity here]
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 09 2013,04:54

    Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 07 2013,16:20)
    Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, Wes.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Me Too!  :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 16 2014,11:39

    I edited a file this morning. I had no issues accessing the site from my Linux box. I assumed that things were well. There's discussion at TSZ of access problems, so I tried pulling up AtBC on my Windows laptop. No dice.

    At least I can replicate the problem.


    Posted by: Alan Fox on Jan. 16 2014,11:46

    Seems fine, now, Wes.

    Reading TSZ? Spooky!
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 17 2014,15:58

    Couldn't reach PT at 1:50PST today.
    Posted by: rossum on Jan. 17 2014,16:19

    < http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/....tme....tme.com > has PT down for everyone at 22:00 GMT
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 17 2014,17:02

    I'll see about contacting Reed. PT is on his server.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 17 2014,18:47

    ...AND... we're back. Thank yew!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 30 2014,01:35

    Trying to break things.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    This is an unfinished quote.

    [url="http://antievolution.org"
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------

    URL closed with a close-quote.

    [quote]
    Another unfinished quote.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 30 2014,01:35

    Follow-on comment.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 30 2014,01:36

    Thanks to midwifetoad, there's now an enclosing "div" around posts, which might help keep down knock-on effects of bad post formatting. We will see.
    Posted by: Quack on Feb. 04 2014,02:20

    I don't know if this little problem is local, but when I open AtBC, new posts after dec 31st do not appear at the top. I have to click (as I always have done) "New posts".
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 04 2014,08:02

    Quote (Quack @ Feb. 04 2014,02:20)
    I don't know if this little problem is local, but when I open AtBC, new posts after dec 31st do not appear at the top. I have to click (as I always have done) "New posts".
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The posts sort for me in reverse chronological order.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 04 2014,08:50

    That's happened to me. I don't recall the solution, but I think it was something I did.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 04 2014,22:58

    I'd think it would be something on a menu from one of the icons near the top of this page, or maybe from the main page of the BB, but I couldn't find it.

    Henry
    Posted by: Quack on Feb. 05 2014,05:43

    Miracles do happen! IDiots please note.
    This morning, the feb. 5th posts were at the top as they should!
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 09 2014,22:02

    Thump thump. Is this thing turned on?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 09 2014,22:46

    Turned on, just starved for disk space.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 10 2014,10:13

    Then feed it!  :p
    Posted by: Freddie on Feb. 10 2014,12:46

    Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 10 2014,10:13)
    Then feed it!  :p
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Give it a byte to eat ...
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 10 2014,14:27

    Or if not a byte, then a couple of nibbles...
    Posted by: Quack on Feb. 10 2014,16:23

    ... or maybe some NCR 12-bit Slabs.
    Posted by: sparc on Feb. 14 2014,23:43

    The link to the "Uncommonly Dense Thread IV" on the "After the bar closes" page directs my browser to an empty last page of the "Discussing "Explore Evolution"" page.
    It would be sad if all those priceless gems dug from UD would be lost for future generations.
    Posted by: Quack on Feb. 15 2014,03:15

    Seems to me AtBC lately has been somewhat creaky.

    First opening several banners in Firefox, then activating one after the other and clicking AtBC in the URL drop-down list, they  close instead of opening AtBC.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 26 2014,12:33

    Quote (sparc @ Feb. 14 2014,23:43)
    The link to the "Uncommonly Dense Thread IV" on the "After the bar closes" page directs my browser to an empty last page of the "Discussing "Explore Evolution"" page.
    It would be sad if all those priceless gems dug from UD would be lost for future generations.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks. Fixed.
    Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 13 2014,13:12

    The clock on the BB seems to be 9 or 10 minutes fast.
    Posted by: khan on Mar. 13 2014,14:19

    Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 13 2014,14:12)
    The clock on the BB seems to be 9 or 10 minutes fast.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Agreed.
    Posted by: Quack on Mar. 15 2014,03:04

    I have not seen the “Feedback” problem in a long time but now it is worse than ever. It happens only when I click "New Posts":


    Topic Title Forum Topic Starter Replies Views Last Post

    Uncommonly Dense Thread 5 (Pages 1 2 3 ..21 )Return To Teh Dingbat Buffet After the Bar Closes... stevestory 617 26380 Mar. 15 2014,02:16Last Post: Learned Hand
    hitesh langauge Feedback acfvpbugy 0 0 Mar. 15 2014,00:34Last Post: -acfvpbugy-
    cech leningrad's Feedback cfsosfsqg 0 0 Mar. 14 2014,23:45Last Post: -cfsosfsqg-
    Joe G.'s Tardgasm (Pages 1 2 3 ..244 )How long can it last? After the Bar Closes... Tom Ames 7300 868736 Mar. 14 2014,22:15Last Post: Henry J
    gnosticizing graupi Feedback outletnadou 0 0 Mar. 14 2014,21:55Last Post: -outletnadou-
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    A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin (Pages 1 2 3 ..326 )As big as the poop that does not look After the Bar Closes... keiths 9757 265454 Mar. 14 2014,20:36Last Post: stevestory
    perryville kalaazar Feedback outletncwol 0 0 Mar. 14 2014,20:04Last Post: -outletncwol-
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    EDIT:

    The problem used to show up only now and then but now it looks like it has become permanent, and the number of funny entries has exploded.



    Edit March 26 2014: Yes, it has become permanent, worse than ever!


    Posted by: Henry J on April 06 2014,18:31

    Was AtBC down earlier? I kept getting timeouts and was about to say something on PT BW, but then AtBC came up before I submitted that.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 06 2014,18:37

    A firewall update did not go as planned. This server is accessible now, but not the one hosting the TOA. Work progresses.
    Posted by: Quack on April 08 2014,04:19

    I don't know if I am the only one experiencing this problem but some threads, like the Uncommonly Dense opens ok, but I can't get the Joe G or Young Cosmos threads to open.

    Edit: Looks like the problem is intermittent. I have noe idea about what the cause may be. Anyway, it doesn't matter much to me.


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 10 2014,22:52

    The server powered itself off for reasons unknown, and was claiming the boot disk had no bootable partition. This evening it decided there was a bootable partition after all. That's certainly a spur toward the host transfer I've been plotting for months now.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on April 11 2014,12:18

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 10 2014,20:52)
    The server powered itself off for reasons unknown, and was claiming the boot disk had no bootable partition. This evening it decided there was a bootable partition after all. That's certainly a spur toward the host transfer I've been plotting for months now.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Good luck.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 12 2014,12:51

    Quote (Dr.GH @ April 11 2014,12:18)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 10 2014,20:52)
    The server powered itself off for reasons unknown, and was claiming the boot disk had no bootable partition. This evening it decided there was a bootable partition after all. That's certainly a spur toward the host transfer I've been plotting for months now.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Good luck.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I have transferred files and database contents as they stood on the 11th. I'll try and do some testing to see if I can instantiate the DBs on the new system and get the web apps running. If so, I'll try to do a new snapshot, install, and switch over. The new snapshot might fail or the old server might fail. On the other hand, differences in underlying versions might prevent getting the old stuff running on the new server. In that case, I'll likely step this forum to PHP-BB or something similar on the new host, and see about updating the static "aebb-archive" pages for the old system, then pull those across.

    All in all, I have about a half-dozen legacy Drupal installs, about the same number of WordPress installs, and this IkonBoard install to try to migrate. Fun, fun, fun.
    Posted by: Bob O'H on April 12 2014,16:16

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 12 2014,12:51)
    All in all, I have about a half-dozen legacy Drupal installs, about the same number of WordPress installs, and this IkonBoard install to try to migrate. Fun, fun, fun.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes, yes, yes. But what are you going to do after breakfast?

    Seriously, I think we all appreciate the effort you put in.
    Posted by: Cubist on April 12 2014,17:09

    Quote (Bob O'H @ April 12 2014,16:16)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 12 2014,12:51)
    All in all, I have about a half-dozen legacy Drupal installs, about the same number of WordPress installs, and this IkonBoard install to try to migrate. Fun, fun, fun.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes, yes, yes. But what are you going to do after breakfast?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Another six impossible things, of course.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Seriously, I think we all appreciate the effort you put in.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    For values of "all" which include anybody who has a clue about how much of a hassle all this is, definitely.
    Posted by: fnxtr on May 30 2014,10:43

    anyone else getting a 404 trying to open the "understanding creationism" post on PT?

    eta never mind 2 mins later it works fine.  As you were.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 09 2014,11:44

    The internet service for the servers has problems. There's a technician coming out to fix it.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 09 2014,11:48

    'sokay. The Disco Tute is not really up to anything interesting at the moment. Mostly complaining about Obama, it seems.



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Fellows' Articles

    > Obama's War On The Economy Continues Wit...
    Investor's Business Daily





    > Starvation as the New "Death With Dignity"
    First Things





    > The Paper of the Apes
    Weekly Standard





    > Another Icon of Evolution: The Darwinian...
    Evolution News & Views





    > Why does Obama block U.S. energy indepen...
    San Francisco Chronicle





    > Please, Leave the Hagia Sophia Alone
    First Things





    > Why does Obama oppose Keystone pipeline?
    The Detroit News


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    boooooooooring.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 09 2014,18:47

    Bug tracked down and exterminated on the Verizon side of the interface. The main AtBC index page loads in close to an eyeblink now for me.
    Posted by: khan on June 09 2014,19:00

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 09 2014,19:47)
    Bug tracked down and exterminated on the Verizon side of the interface. The main AtBC index page loads in close to an eyeblink now for me.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes. All better.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 09 2014,21:02

    All better now.  :D
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 10 2014,12:29

    Of course, now that it works nobody is using it.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 10 2014,12:30

    ID is a corpse twitching in a gutter...there's not much for anybody to do....
    Posted by: Dr.GH on June 10 2014,12:58

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 10 2014,10:29)
    Of course, now that it works nobody is using it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Heh heh. Ain't that the truth?

    ;)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 14 2014,15:49

    I tried using the "Take board offline function", but that doesn't seem to work. This is notice that I am working this weekend toward moving this forum to a new host this weekend. Don't get too attached to posts made after this point until further notice; I might not be dumping the database after your post.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 15 2014,00:14

    Testing, testing...

    Stuff is on the new server, and man is this ever a pain.

    I now have two versions of PHP running conditionally, and spent the last couple of hours in forced reacquaintance with Perl. I don't think either of us appreciated it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 15 2014,00:17

    So, of course, let me know somehow if things are not working right for you. I certainly did not experience any plug and play getting to this point.
    Posted by: rossum on June 15 2014,04:09

    Quotes and apostrophes on old posts have decided to change to unrecognised characters.

    Testing:

    "straight double quotes"

    “66 99 double quotes”

    'straight single quotes'

    ‘6 9 single quotes’

    That works in preview.  Presumably the problem was related to the recent transfer.

    rossum
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 15 2014,15:10

    Yeah, stuff in the database apparently has a different Unicode encoding than the server now uses. I've done a little looking, but haven't found anything particularly useful on the topic. I did add the "en_US" locale to those the server has on hand; not sure why it didn't already have that.
    Posted by: rossum on June 16 2014,05:39

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 15 2014,15:10)
    Yeah, stuff in the database apparently has a different Unicode encoding than the server now uses. I've done a little looking, but haven't found anything particularly useful on the topic. I did add the "en_US" locale to those the server has on hand; not sure why it didn't already have that.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Looking at the HTML for you pages, you don't seem to have a charset Meta statement:

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

    You might also need to do some internal conversion on the files to put things right.  Character sets are a real nuisance.

    rossum
    Posted by: Quack on June 26 2014,08:29

    I have not used the "New Posts" link for a ling time but when I tried it today all I got was


    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    Ikonboard CGI Error Ikonboard has exited with the following error:

    Permission denied

    This error was reported at: Sources/Search/API/api_mySQL.pm line 47.

    Please note that your 'real' paths have been removed to protect your information.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Never happened before. But I can do without the feature; with new posts always at the top the date is all I need.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 09 2014,08:48

    "Unable to Connect" to PT at 06:45 PST today. Maintenance?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 09 2014,10:42

    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 09 2014,08:48)
    "Unable to Connect" to PT at 06:45 PST today. Maintenance?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not sure, I'll have to check with Reed.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 09 2014,20:35

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 09 2014,08:42)
    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 09 2014,08:48)
    "Unable to Connect" to PT at 06:45 PST today. Maintenance?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Not sure, I'll have to check with Reed.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Still no work for me 12 hrs later.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 09 2014,20:42

    Won't load for me either.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 10 2014,20:39

    Iz fix.  Happy.
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Sep. 12 2014,20:36

    The JoeG thread something strange going on. The top is normal, but the end of the last page is all dark colors and the various buttons at the bottom are the missing image icons.

    I don't know if it's just me, but this has been happening since about 1PM (all posts following about that timestamp).

    I've refreshed and reloaded several times.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Sep. 12 2014,22:00

    I noticed that, too, just now (8pm PST). Weird.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 13 2014,06:54

    I've fixed several of these in the thread so far.

    When you open a "url" tag for a link, please close it with a "/url" and not a "/quote". The unclosed url messes up formatting in posts following it.
    Posted by: OgreMkV on Sep. 13 2014,08:09

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 13 2014,06:54)
    I've fixed several of these in the thread so far.

    When you open a "url" tag for a link, please close it with a "/url" and not a "/quote". The unclosed url messes up formatting in posts following it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Got it. Will do.
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 13 2014,11:44

    I noticed it too. Might be something out of sync in one of the replies.

    Uh, I mean in the HTML coding that it produces, not the contents of the replies.

    Henry

    Oh. I posted this before seeing the next page of this thread, so never mind.
    Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Sep. 25 2014,20:17

    Noticing that clicking on a participant's name from within a thread triggers an error:

    "Not Found

    The requested URL /features/aebbexp.php was not found on this server.

    Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at antievolution.org Port 80'
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 25 2014,21:20

    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 25 2014,20:17)
    Noticing that clicking on a participant's name from within a thread triggers an error:

    "Not Found

    The requested URL /features/aebbexp.php was not found on this server.

    Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at antievolution.org Port 80'
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yeah, there was some reason I pulled the plug on that. I'll need to revisit that and figure out whether it is safe to restore.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 03 2014,01:14

    Finally got around to fixing Search. Let me clarify that. It now runs, but it is still the same old Ikonboard search.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 10 2015,13:48

    A backup snapshot was taken about half an hour ago. I am going to be getting the server OS updated. If anything goes wrong, I will be stepping back to that update.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 10 2015,15:26

    The upgrade appears to have been successful, so carry on.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Jan. 10 2015,16:59

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 10 2015,13:26)
    The upgrade appears to have been successful, so carry on.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Bravo!  :D
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 26 2015,22:04

    Record 194 users here last night.
    Posted by: stevestory on Jan. 27 2015,11:30

    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 26 2015,23:04)
    Record 194 users here last night.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    weird
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Jan. 27 2015,16:38

    Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 27 2015,11:30)
    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 26 2015,23:04)
    Record 194 users here last night.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    weird
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    They heard Rich was drawing boobs over on the Gaulin thread.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 25 2015,13:54

    Spam post on "Science Break"?

    Good-bye, Donella07.
    Posted by: Cubist on Feb. 25 2015,15:28

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 25 2015,13:54)
    Spam post on "Science Break"?

    Good-bye, Donella07.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You might want to take a look at the posts of "Pasban888", which strike me as having the spam nature.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 25 2015,16:02

    Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 25 2015,15:28)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 25 2015,13:54)
    Spam post on "Science Break"?

    Good-bye, Donella07.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You might want to take a look at the posts of "Pasban888", which strike me as having the spam nature.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I didn't see any links involved, which seems to make it ambiguous between "spammer" and "spastic".
    Posted by: JonF on April 28 2015,19:49

    I can't log in to PT because the Google login is no longer supported, Opera and Chrome on my tablet can't display the WordPress login, and I don't have any of the other accounts.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 28 2015,20:03

    I will pass that on to Reed Cartwright.
    Posted by: stevestory on June 22 2015,18:35

    AtBC loads so unbelievably fast that i wondered if chrome was pre-fetching it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 01 2015,21:46

    When things work right, it hums. The software package running it is about 13 years old now. I think it was geared to work OK on the servers of the time.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 11 2015,13:02

    A branch across a high voltage line disrupted power and fried various pieces of gear, including the Verizon MOCA junction box. Other casualties included a monitor, a KVM, and the VM host machine that handles running the VMs that actually serve up this domain, TalkOrigins, and more. Fortunately, Marc had a second VM host on hand and the SAN array was unaffected. There may be a couple more interruptions for reboots as updates are applied to the VM host, but the site should be mostly back now.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Nov. 13 2015,04:54

    Just an observation. I've tweaked a few pages for small companies. In one case a parts list table generated by a code generator package had a file size of 10 megabytes.

    I imported the data into Access and hand coded a VBA script to generate the web page. My page was 20 k.

    Also,  PT and AtBC don't load crap from ad servers.
    Posted by: k.e.. on Nov. 13 2015,08:16

    Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 13 2015,12:54)
    Just an observation. I've tweaked a few pages for small companies. In one case a parts list table generated by a code generator package had a file size of 10 megabytes.

    I imported the data into Access and hand coded a VBA script to generate the web page. My page was 20 k.

    Also,  PT and AtBC don't load crap from ad servers.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Oh well there goes the IPO!
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 13 2015,08:52

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2015,11:02)
    A branch across a high voltage line disrupted power and fried various pieces of gear, including the Verizon MOCA junction box. Other casualties included a monitor, a KVM, and the VM host machine that handles running the VMs that actually serve up this domain, TalkOrigins, and more. Fortunately, Marc had a second VM host on hand and the SAN array was unaffected. There may be a couple more interruptions for reboots as updates are applied to the VM host, but the site should be mostly back now.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thank you.
    Posted by: Cubist on Nov. 13 2015,18:11

    Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 13 2015,04:54)
    Just an observation. I've tweaked a few pages for small companies. In one case a parts list table generated by a code generator package had a file size of 10 megabytes.

    I imported the data into Access and hand coded a VBA script to generate the web page. My page was 20 k.

    Also,  PT and AtBC don't load crap from ad servers.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    [nods] Makes all too much sense. The closest I've come to that in my life was, a netzine I became editor of. All the pages in the netzine were MSWord-generated HTML (my predecessor was either unable or unwilling to grapple with HTML directly), and the first thing I did was strip out all the MS-derived garbage from the pages.

    Doing that one thing reduced the filesizes by a factor of about 3.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 13 2015,21:02

    Maybe "MS" is short for Mega Size?
    Posted by: Cubist on Nov. 13 2015,22:27

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 13 2015,21:02)
    Maybe "MS" is short for Mega Size?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    [snicker] Alas, no—"MS" is short for Microsoft. The reason MSWord-generated HTML is so frickin' bloated, is that when MSWord saves a file as HTML, it insists on including mass quantities of crap which serve no purpose other than to make it possible for the resulting HTML file to be exactly and precisely re-created in MSWord if/when someone chooses to import said HTML file into MSWord. Given that the most logical reason one might wish to save a file as HTML is that one wants to put said file up on the WWW, it is unclear why Microsoft would rate compatibility-with-MSWord as a factor sufficiently vital that it's worth bloating the bejeezus out of MSWord-created HTML files.

    It is a mystery. Or perhaps not…
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 14 2015,00:21

    Interesting. I'm inclined to guess that to generate HTML without all the word formatting stuff, they'd have to add logic to bypass the word formatting in the case where it has been told that the content is HTML. I reckon that document formatting is their priority, and HTML generation options is an afterthought.

    Personally, when I've done HTML coding I've generally used notepad, or other generic text editor. Heck, I tend to avoid Word when writing text as well, because it has a bad habit of changing punctuation, letter case, spacing, or even spelling when it feels like it, whether or not I want it to. (And since most of what text I write tends to be software engineering type stuff... )
    Posted by: Quack on Nov. 14 2015,02:06

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 14 2015,00:21)
    Interesting. I'm inclined to guess that to generate HTML without all the word formatting stuff, they'd have to add logic to bypass the word formatting in the case where it has been told that the content is HTML. I reckon that document formatting is their priority, and HTML generation options is an afterthought.

    Personally, when I've done HTML coding I've generally used notepad, or other generic text editor. Heck, I tend to avoid Word when writing text as well, because it has a bad habit of changing punctuation, letter case, spacing, or even spelling when it feels like it, whether or not I want it to. (And since most of what text I write tends to be software engineering type stuff... )
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Use Tools - Options - Spelling & Grammar to enable/disable  options.
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Jan. 05 2016,11:55

    Can't access pandasthumb.org currently. Is it a general problem?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 05 2016,12:50

    Quote (Alan Fox @ Jan. 05 2016,11:55)
    Can't access pandasthumb.org currently. Is it a general problem?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes.

    I've sent Reed an email about it. Not sure what is up there.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 05 2016,14:51

    ZFS on the PT server is resilvering. Hopefully that will finish someday.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 05 2016,15:08

    Last night it would display the first and last page of a thread, but if I selected a page between those it acted like there were no messages on that page.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 05 2016,16:34

    Yeah, Reed tells me that there are problems.

    Working on it.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 05 2016,17:20

    PT is back up. Reed and the Foundation are talking about what we need going forward.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 05 2016,21:47

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 05 2016,15:20)
    PT is back up. Reed and the Foundation are talking about what we need going forward.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Reed and the Foundation. I think I saw them at the Fillmore in '68...
    Posted by: k.e.. on Jan. 06 2016,04:52

    Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 06 2016,05:47)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 05 2016,15:20)
    PT is back up. Reed and the Foundation are talking about what we need going forward.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Reed and the Foundation. I think I saw them at the Fillmore in '68...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You make them sound like a prog rock band.
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Jan. 06 2016,07:44

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 05 2016,12:20)
    PT is back up. Reed and the Foundation are talking about what we need going forward.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thanks for keeping us posted and for your efforts, Wesley.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 06 2016,11:18

    We will probably do a round of hat-passing at PT once we figure out the update parameters.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Jan. 06 2016,13:30

    PT seems good for me as of 11:25 PST.



    :D


    Speaking of PT, have you all noticed < "How an Evangelical Creationist Accepted Evolution" in Slate? >


    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 06 2016,13:58

    There are issues with comment updating, and apparently there's a problem with making new posts. Reed is away for the next few days, so that won't change until he returns.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 09 2016,17:45

    Just had the server rebooted. Sorry about the downtime.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Feb. 09 2016,21:28

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 09 2016,15:45)
    Just had the server rebooted. Sorry about the downtime.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    All seems well.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 15 2016,08:48

    The link from PT has been borked for a while now.
    Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 15 2016,16:32

    Are we back?
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 15 2016,20:22

    Some of us are back, but a few here aren't all there even when they are here.
    Posted by: Tony M Nyphot on Feb. 15 2016,21:55

    Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 15 2016,19:22)
    Some of us are back, but a few here aren't all there even when they are here.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Well of course...you can't be there when you're here.
    Posted by: Tony M Nyphot on Feb. 15 2016,22:00

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 06 2016,10:18)
    We will probably do a round of hat-passing at PT once we figure out the update parameters.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm in for a donation...a GoFundMe at AtBC for a new server?...a bit of compensation for maintenance folk?...what's needed most?
    Posted by: sparc on Feb. 15 2016,22:42

    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 15 2016,22:00)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 06 2016,10:18)
    We will probably do a round of hat-passing at PT once we figure out the update parameters.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm in for a donation...a GoFundMe at AtBC for a new server?...a bit of compensation for maintenance folk?...what's needed most?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    seconded.
    Just my 2 cents :)
    Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 15 2016,23:33

    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 15 2016,19:55)
    Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 15 2016,19:22)
    Some of us are back, but a few here aren't all there even when they are here.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Well of course...you can't be there when you're here.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Find your neutral space.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 25 2016,16:46

    There is some process or processes that loads the MySQL DB and starves the server of cycles. I suspect that some of the larger threads here may be getting hammered by bot access. I need to do some investigating, but it may be that I will need to take out the "All" links or figure out adding a CAPTCHA to them.

    There is another, somewhat more drastic, approach that likely would help. Long threads could be closed, converted to static pages, then nuked. The information would be accessible, but not via the forum software.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 25 2016,17:15

    Yep, the logs show hundreds of bot accesses loaded up within minutes by the Baidu search engine, or something calling itself that.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 25 2016,22:05

    Shazbot!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 26 2016,15:08

    I got an assist from a network guru friend who has some rules loaded to stop the DDOS-like stream of requests. 25 minutes and counting without that bot taking up bandwidth and cycles.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Feb. 26 2016,17:37

    Well done!
    Posted by: fnxtr on Mar. 08 2016,08:38

    The link here from PT seems to be borked again. :-(
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Mar. 08 2016,12:52

    Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 08 2016,06:38)
    The link here from PT seems to be borked again. :-(
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I had a problem since yesterday, but messaged Wes who has repaired it.

    Thanks, Wes.  :D
    Posted by: fnxtr on Mar. 08 2016,23:11

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 08 2016,10:52)
    Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 08 2016,06:38)
    The link here from PT seems to be borked again. :-(
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I had a problem since yesterday, but messaged Wes who has repaired it.

    Thanks, Wes.  :D
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes. Thanks, Wes.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on April 28 2016,17:15

    The server is being hammered by somebody with IP address 167.114.101.173. I need to figure out a way to block that... after dinner.

    If it is one of you mirroring the site, put a nice delay between requests, please.
    Posted by: fnxtr on April 28 2016,21:18

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 28 2016,15:15)
    The server is being hammered by somebody with IP address 167.114.101.173. I need to figure out a way to block that... after dinner.

    If it is one of you mirroring the site, put a nice delay between requests, please.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    dnsqueries says the server is in Kansas, if that helps.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 16 2016,12:22

    Server OS upgrade in progress... there may be glitches.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 16 2016,15:18

    There are definitely errors showing up in the logs. Trying to figure out how bad things are.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 16 2016,18:37

    Changes in both Perl and MySQL are going to require some hacking.
    Posted by: NoName on Sep. 16 2016,15:38

    Is anyone else having problems with their InBox?
    I got my second failure today -- that's  two message notifications I've received that are gone by the time I get to my InBox.
    Seems very odd.  I've tried responding to the senders but I don't know if those messages have  gone out or been swallowed by the system.

    NoName
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 16 2016,15:54

    Quote (NoName @ Sep. 16 2016,15:38)
    Is anyone else having problems with their InBox?
    I got my second failure today -- that's  two message notifications I've received that are gone by the time I get to my InBox.
    Seems very odd.  I've tried responding to the senders but I don't know if those messages have  gone out or been swallowed by the system.

    NoName
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Hmmm. Yep, a test message of mine went straight into the ether.

    I'll have to dig into the error logs about this. The fix, if possible, will not be immediate.

    Wesley
    Posted by: Tony M Nyphot on Sep. 16 2016,16:12

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 16 2016,14:54)
     
    Quote (NoName @ Sep. 16 2016,15:38)
    Is anyone else having problems with their InBox?
    I got my second failure today -- that's  two message notifications I've received that are gone by the time I get to my InBox.
    Seems very odd.  I've tried responding to the senders but I don't know if those messages have  gone out or been swallowed by the system.

    NoName
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Hmmm. Yep, a test message of mine went straight into the ether.

    I'll have to dig into the error logs about this. The fix, if possible, will not be immediate.

    Wesley
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Just an FYI, but I sent a couple of PMs recently that never received a reply...I just thought everyone was ignoring me like they usually do.

    The PMs do not appear in my sent items either.
    Posted by: Acartia_Bogart on Sep. 16 2016,19:33

    Quote (NoName @ Sep. 16 2016,15:38)
    Is anyone else having problems with their InBox?
    I got my second failure today -- that's  two message notifications I've received that are gone by the time I get to my InBox.
    Seems very odd.  I've tried responding to the senders but I don't know if those messages have  gone out or been swallowed by the system.

    NoName
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes, I received two message notices in the last couple weeks, only to find no new messages in my inbox.
    Posted by: Lethean on Sep. 16 2016,21:47

    I too received a notification just now. Also, nothing new in my inbox and really I have no reason to expect anyone to message me. I'm not sure if it normal forum software behavior. I don't comment much, don't really send messages, and I've only received two myself and they were a long time ago.

    There was a little popup window informing me, then a second window asking if I wanted to let it open in a new window, I clicked ok but got a message in FireFox about blocking the script trying to open a new window. I dismissed that as usual automatically without thinking. After that I saw the inbox link on the upper right said "1 new" so I clicked it annnnd nothing in the inbox.

    Possibly someone exploiting to deliver spam/phishing ?
    Posted by: Woodbine on Sep. 16 2016,23:03

    Same here - I got a pop-up warning telling me I had a PM but when I went to the inbox there was nothing new.
    Posted by: NoName on Sep. 17 2016,06:34

    Received notice of a message, 'test 1', from Wes, but nothing in the inbox.  Sending seems to be working to some extent, at least it's hitting the notification system ;-\
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 16 2016,15:59

    I think that we may have passed a certain number of messages (32,767?) and that the column for holding the total number of messages overflowed. Checking it out.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 16 2016,17:17

    A couple of error messages went away with re-defining the type of the column in question, but others remain.

    Apparently one of the things the database interface relied upon was automatic conversion of the empty string into a default integer value of 0, and that is not happening with the newer version of MySQL. Fixing that looks to be non-trivial.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 01 2016,09:08

    Trying to log in to PT, I keep getting "The connection was reset".
    ??
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 01 2016,09:16

    Quote (fnxtr @ Nov. 01 2016,08:08)
    Trying to log in to PT, I keep getting "The connection was reset".
    ??
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Same here.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 01 2016,21:59

    I think Reed got the PT server issues fixed.

    Since the 25th, there have been bot traverses of this server that were hogging the system resources. On Halloween, I installed a cron job and script to automatically restart the HTTP daemon if the system load spiked. Since a little after 2 PM on Halloween, Jetpack has not had to inform me of the server being down. So hopefully that keeps things open for the humans to use the server.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 01 2016,23:23

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 01 2016,19:59)
    I think Reed got the PT server issues fixed.

    Since the 25th, there have been bot traverses of this server that were hogging the system resources. On Halloween, I installed a cron job and script to automatically restart the HTTP daemon if the system load spiked. Since a little after 2 PM on Halloween, Jetpack has not had to inform me of the server being down. So hopefully that keeps things open for the humans to use the server.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thank you again, sir.  And Reed.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 05 2016,22:57

    Note: system scripts should be checked for typos and function *before* installation. Apparently, I was just lucky that things weren't continuing to kill the server at the time I put in the restart-on-high-load script. *Now* it is tested and worked for a threshold of 0, re-set the threshold higher so it isn't always resetting HTTP.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Nov. 06 2016,15:59

    I just noticed that PT is down for me.  ???
    Posted by: NoName on Nov. 06 2016,16:30

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Nov. 06 2016,16:59)
    I just noticed that PT is down for me.  ???
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Likewise, since mid-morning EST.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 06 2016,20:25

    PT is still giving me "The Connection was Reset" .
    Posted by: NoName on Nov. 07 2016,08:06

    Seems okay now.
    Posted by: NoName on Nov. 08 2016,06:30

    And it's borked again.  'Server unexpectedly dropped connection'.
    Posted by: KevinB on Nov. 08 2016,07:03

    Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2016,06:30)
    And it's borked again.  'Server unexpectedly dropped connection'.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Perhaps it's a poltergeist.

    Can we assume that it's the Ghost of ID and announce that we have positive "proof" that ID has died?
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 08 2016,10:44

    Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 08 2016,06:03)
    Perhaps it's a poltergeist.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Who ya gonna call?
    Posted by: KevinB on Nov. 08 2016,11:29

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 08 2016,10:44)
     
    Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 08 2016,06:03)
    Perhaps it's a poltergeist.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Who ya gonna call?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Goat Butters?  No - they're for when you have a plague of trolls.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 11 2016,13:01

    On PT, the update, preview, and submit buttons aren't working for me.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 14 2016,13:41

    When I look at PT, the most recent post reply it shows is from Thursday afternoon. Is that a coincidence, or am I not the only one who can't post over there since then?
    Posted by: gnome de net on Nov. 14 2016,16:04

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 14 2016,14:41)
    When I look at PT, the most recent post reply it shows is from Thursday afternoon. Is that a coincidence, or am I not the only one who can't post over there since then?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You are not alone.
    Posted by: ChemiCat on Nov. 15 2016,02:56



    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
    You are not alone.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------



    No, you aren't. My front page comments haven't renewed for three days now.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 15 2016,21:10

    Reed is having server problems. He is working on it.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 15 2016,22:49

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 15 2016,19:10)
    Reed is having server problems. He is working on it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    well there goes their tip.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 16 2016,12:22

    Looks like there's some progress; it let me read a reply posted on the 10th that it didn't display before.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 16 2016,22:18

    Reed says that he is replacing the server, replacing the software, and the first things back in place will be the most recent posts. Movable Type is out. Things are changing.
    Posted by: Just Bob on Nov. 21 2016,10:40

    How long, O Lord?

    I NEED my PT!
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 21 2016,12:22

    Yeah, rereading that comment about the effects of butterflies can get old after 11 days.  :p
    Posted by: Just Bob on Nov. 23 2016,19:00

    Quote (Just Bob @ Nov. 21 2016,10:40)
    How long, O Lord?

    I NEED my PT!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    How about a progress report?

    Will PT be resurrected at some foreseeable time?

    Thanks to anyone working to bring it back from extinction.  May whatever gods that be bless your endeavors and grant you speedy success.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 27 2016,21:29

    The PT transition is proceeding apace. Reed has a demo site up and has shared info to the rest of the bloggers as to how to create new posts in the new system. Comments will be via Disqus in the future, and Reed will transition our comments to Disqus.

    The new system is also designed to be more mobile-friendly.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Nov. 28 2016,16:52

    Sounds great.

    Best wishes to the crew.
    Posted by: clamboy on Nov. 28 2016,17:24

    Thank you, Dr, Elsberry, for keeping this space going all this long time!
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Nov. 28 2016,18:33

    Quote (clamboy @ Nov. 28 2016,17:24)
    Thank you, Dr, Elsberry, for keeping this space going all this long time!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Very much this!
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 29 2016,14:50

    hear hear
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 29 2016,19:23

    I just entered the DNS changes for PT to go to the new site. The usual caveats about propagation of DNS changes apply.

    Check it out.

    And I just flipped a switch on this. Reed has been doing all the heavy lifting.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Nov. 29 2016,19:34

    Looks good. Congratulations to Reed, and the crew.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Nov. 30 2016,09:11

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Nov. 29 2016,17:34)
    Looks good. Congratulations to Reed, and the crew.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yup. A bit slow loading the .jpg's, otherwise who would know? Good job!
    Posted by: k.e.. on Nov. 30 2016,09:14

    Very good effort and thank you Wes. It's been a journey.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 30 2016,09:46

    A journey? Are we there yet?  :p
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 30 2016,20:58

    How does the email verification thing on PT work? I clicked on it maybe a half hour ago, expecting the website to send an email to me, but I haven't seen one yet.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 01 2016,19:57

    I've clicked on "send verification e-mail" several times, and have yet to see an e-mail from disqus.
    Posted by: fusilier on Dec. 02 2016,06:34

    I really, really, really dislike Disqus.

    Just Sayin'....
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 02 2016,08:58

    Quote (fusilier @ Dec. 02 2016,04:34)
    I really, really, really dislike Disqus.

    Just Sayin'....
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I found signing up a bit clumsy, but I seem to be in now. Reserving judgement until further use.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 02 2016,10:06

    Quote (fusilier @ Dec. 02 2016,04:34)
    I really, really, really dislike Disqus.

    Just Sayin'....
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I really really like it.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 03 2016,16:51

    I don't think I'll like it even when it lets me post replies.

    So long as it doesn't let me post replies, I hate it, period.

    So far what it does is tell me that it's necessary to "validate email address". So I've clicked on that maybe dozens of times now (maybe a hundred?), and nothing related has appeared in my inbox.

    It's as if the Panda is all thumbs or something.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 03 2016,20:07

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 03 2016,14:51)
    I don't think I'll like it even when it lets me post replies.

    So long as it doesn't let me post replies, I hate it, period.

    So far what it does is tell me that it's necessary to "validate email address". So I've clicked on that maybe dozens of times now (maybe a hundred?), and nothing related has appeared in my inbox.

    It's as if the Panda is all thumbs or something.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Check your spam setting.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 03 2016,22:05

    My spam folder is empty.
    Posted by: gnome de net on Dec. 05 2016,08:20

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 02 2016,11:06)
     
    Quote (fusilier @ Dec. 02 2016,04:34)
    I really, really, really dislike Disqus.

    Just Sayin'....
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I really really like it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Perhaps you can enlighten us on how to deal with the following scenario:

    The first time I visit a posted topic there are 100 comments. Then you visit and reply to the second comment. Two days later I revisit and find 200 total comments. How would I find all 100 new comments starting with yours?

    In the previous Panda format — like here at antievolution.org — your comment would have been 101 and easily found just after the previous 100 and before the more recent 99. In the new format, yours is scattered somewhere along with all of the other 99 requiring a time-consuming examination of all 200 comments.

    Do you really, really like having your valuable input so hard to find?
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 05 2016,11:55

    One somewhat clumsy workaround to that is use the browser search function for "hours ago", "1 day ago", or "days ago".
    Posted by: gnome de net on Dec. 05 2016,17:00

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 05 2016,12:55)
    One somewhat clumsy workaround to that is use the browser search function for "hours ago", "1 day ago", or "days ago".
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    What do I gain for the effort of jumping through the extra hoops? The costs seem to far-outweigh the benefits.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 05 2016,20:36

    Uh - exercise, and practice in hoop jumping?
    Posted by: gnome de net on Dec. 06 2016,09:12

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 05 2016,21:36)
    Uh - exercise, and practice in hoop jumping?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    You still have a sense of humor (or perhaps humour).

    INVU.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 08 2016,10:55

    Is AtBC working again?
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 08 2016,14:21

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 08 2016,08:55)
    Is AtBC working again?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No. You didn't see this.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 08 2016,22:32

    Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 08 2016,12:21)
     
    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 08 2016,08:55)
    Is AtBC working again?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    No. You didn't see this.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    :D  :D  :D


    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 14 2016,17:10

    The really low rate of replies over on PT makes me wonder if lots of people are unable to post replies there. I still can't.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 14 2016,18:15

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 14 2016,15:10)
    The really low rate of replies over on PT makes me wonder if lots of people are unable to post replies there. I still can't.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I don't go there anymore. I understand and appreciate the efforts of the mssrs. involved. I just really miss the recent replies sidebar. And the bathroom wall.
    Posted by: Quack on Dec. 15 2016,00:01

    I don't see why anyone would go there anymore. It used to be one of the best places to go to.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 20 2016,10:20

    So can somebody tell me what went wrong when I try to do that e-mail address verification step that Disgust says you have to do before you can post replies on the downgraded PT?
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 20 2016,20:33

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 20 2016,08:20)
    So can somebody tell me what went wrong when I try to do that e-mail address verification step that Disgust says you have to do before you can post replies on the downgraded PT?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    My best guess is that your Email settings rejected the DISQUS email as 'spam."

    I had no problems.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 20 2016,21:29

    Spam goes into the spam folder, and that has nothing related to this in it.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 20 2016,22:07

    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 20 2016,19:29)
    Spam goes into the spam folder, and that has nothing related to this in it.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Well, then you are screwed.

    Or, try a different email account.

    I have used DISQUS for years with no problems.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 30 2016,01:13

    Well, I edited my Disqus profile and put in a different e-mail address, and this time received its verification mail, and it worked.

    Of course, that still leaves PT with a poorly designed comment interface, in which finding new replies requires manual searching of the thread.

    ETA:
    I wonder if the first email address would work if I changed it back to that? I don't know if something was blocking that address, or if it was a glitch in my original setup.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 30 2016,10:58

    I wish the "archive" pages would show the number of replies posted for each article. Keeping a note of how many replies have been made is one way to know how many new replies there are.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 05 2017,10:25

    Oh good, AtBC is back. No new posts yesterday? I guess the fourth wasn't with us.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 10 2017,19:36

    Well, on the bright side, Disqus does have an edit button.
    Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 12 2017,16:29

    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 10 2017,17:36)
    Well, on the bright side, Disqus does have an edit button.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    After spending a couple of hours researching, I decided to delete my Disqus account. No more PT comments from me. AtBC is more fun anyway.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 20 2017,11:10

    If you see alert notices about this site, PT, or TOA, please put the details in this thread. Thanks.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 31 2017,09:31

    It's taken much longer to work out the kinks than I had hoped, but the script to detect and respond to high server load now seems to be working. There was a period of high load this morning that showed up in the logs and was resolved through automated reset of the HTTPD process.

    What appears to be happening is bots loading up a bunch of requests for long threads in this message board, which leads to the database chewing up a lot of swap space and things slowing to a crawl. Killing the requests clears that up.
    Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 31 2017,20:56

    On the main page it says the last post to AtBC was on
    Jan. 22 2017,12:38
    In: Vox Day: Alpha Fail.
    By: Dr.GH

    But there's 4 threads that have replies since then.

    ETA
    Never mind; after posting this and telling it to mark everything as read, the main page updated.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 31 2017,21:21

    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 31 2017,20:56)
    On the main page it says the last post to AtBC was on
    Jan. 22 2017,12:38
    In: Vox Day: Alpha Fail.
    By: Dr.GH

    But there's 4 threads that have replies since then.

    ETA
    Never mind; after posting this and telling it to mark everything as read, the main page updated.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I'm glad. I don't want to have to dig for that one.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 31 2017,21:22

    In other news, I think the RSS feed may start working again. I tracked down a couple of bad file references.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Jan. 31 2017,22:51

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 31 2017,19:22)
    In other news, I think the RSS feed may start working again. I tracked down a couple of bad file references.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Thank you for all your efforts.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 16 2017,20:16

    I see AtBC broke its previous record for most users online at the same time.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 16 2017,21:10

    Unfortunately, that was probably bot visits adding up.
    Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 16 2017,21:50

    Oh. In that case never mind. Let me just say: Shazbot! (Well, it sort of fits here)
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Feb. 16 2017,22:01

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 16 2017,21:10)
    Unfortunately, that was probably bot visits adding up.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Intelligently Designed?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 17 2017,05:53

    Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 16 2017,22:01)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 16 2017,21:10)
    Unfortunately, that was probably bot visits adding up.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Intelligently Designed?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Malevolently designed, more like. Some behind the scenes changes to the server allowed the system to accommodate the load. Before, that much bot traffic wouldn't have raised the "most visits" number because the system would have become unresponsive long before it got that high.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 22 2017,09:32

    I pulled up "All" for the Uncommon Descent II thread, and got a Google warning of malware danger. Details revealed what site was involved. I went to the database and edited out the image inclusion from that site. I did not add any annotation to it.

    If anyone gets one of those warnings, if you would please click the "Details" button and pass along the info here, that would be appreciated. I can't control what happens to image-sharing sites, but I can trim references to them when they get sick.
    Posted by: fusilier on Mar. 23 2017,08:59

    I'm getting a message as I log in, purportedly from Mozilla - I use FireFox.  I cautions me that the site is "not secure," and suggests looking for a "https" component to the url.

    I only use this password here, but just FYI.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Mar. 24 2017,02:16

    Not ATBC,

    An odd thing I have noted is that the TalkOrigin logo has vanished from my "saved bookmarks" file.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 25 2017,22:24

    Quote (fusilier @ Mar. 23 2017,08:59)
    I'm getting a message as I log in, purportedly from Mozilla - I use FireFox.  I cautions me that the site is "not secure," and suggests looking for a "https" component to the url.

    I only use this password here, but just FYI.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Tried a login with Firefox, but I didn't get that message.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Mar. 26 2017,19:54

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 25 2017,20:24)
    Quote (fusilier @ Mar. 23 2017,08:59)
    I'm getting a message as I log in, purportedly from Mozilla - I use FireFox.  I cautions me that the site is "not secure," and suggests looking for a "https" component to the url.

    I only use this password here, but just FYI.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Tried a login with Firefox, but I didn't get that message.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I use Firefox as well, and have not seen any warnings.
    Posted by: Jim_Wynne on Mar. 27 2017,12:34

    Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 26 2017,19:54)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 25 2017,20:24)
    Quote (fusilier @ Mar. 23 2017,08:59)
    I'm getting a message as I log in, purportedly from Mozilla - I use FireFox.  I cautions me that the site is "not secure," and suggests looking for a "https" component to the url.

    I only use this password here, but just FYI.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Tried a login with Firefox, but I didn't get that message.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    I use Firefox as well, and have not seen any warnings.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Ditto
    Posted by: k.e.. on April 03 2017,07:56

    ??
    Posted by: Texas Teach on April 03 2017,15:58

    Quote (k.e.. @ April 03 2017,07:56)
    ??
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    !!
    Posted by: k.e.. on April 04 2017,05:36

    Quote (Texas Teach @ April 03 2017,23:58)
    Quote (k.e.. @ April 03 2017,07:56)
    ??
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    !!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    haha
    Posted by: Henry J on April 17 2017,12:04

    The main page is showing me an old date for latest post to the AtBC forum.

    ETA. After posting this note it updated it.
    Posted by: Ptaylor on June 28 2017,15:49

    I see that no comments can be added to the 'Joe G.'s Tardgasm' thread. Has it been closed?
    Posted by: Cubist on June 28 2017,20:49

    Quote (Ptaylor @ June 28 2017,15:49)
    I see that no comments can be added to the 'Joe G.'s Tardgasm' thread. Has it been closed?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Apparently so. I see a "locked" icon on each page of that thread.
    Posted by: clamboy on June 28 2017,20:58

    Same thing with the Vox Day thread and Expelled thread.

    Mind you, I am not sure what else there is to say on these three subjects, but it might be nice to have the opportunity here to point and giggle some more.
    Posted by: Bob O'H on June 29 2017,02:34

    The UD thread gets closed & a new one set up periodically, because the long length causes the software to have fainting fits(*). So perhaps the GG thread is reaching the same conclusion.

    (*) this may not be the precise technical term
    Posted by: Henry J on June 29 2017,22:07

    For a technical term, how about "SNAFU"?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 04 2017,15:04

    Found out I had not one, but two misconfigurations in the web server before getting it back. Sorry for the outage.
    Posted by: Cubist on July 04 2017,15:46

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 04 2017,15:04)
    Found out I had not one, but two misconfigurations in the web server before getting it back. Sorry for the outage.
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    THEREFORE GOD.

    CHECKMATE, FOOLISH ATHEISTS!
    Posted by: Quack on July 07 2017,14:38

    Posting to talk.origins suddenly not possible, error msg:

    Outlook Express could not post your message.  Subject '[OT]test', Account: 'NEWS.Albasani.net', Server: 'NEWS.Albasani.net', Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: '441 Article posted in the future', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9

    Anything I can do about it?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 09 2017,07:14

    Quote (Quack @ July 07 2017,14:38)
    Posting to talk.origins suddenly not possible, error msg:

    Outlook Express could not post your message.  Subject '[OT]test', Account: 'NEWS.Albasani.net', Server: 'NEWS.Albasani.net', Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: '441 Article posted in the future', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9

    Anything I can do about it?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    This is a job for David Greig, who is currently engaged in moving to distant foreign parts (Denmark, IIRC).
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 09 2017,07:16

    I should note that power is out where I am at because of the severe storms that ripped through Michigan early Friday morning. There was some exterior damage, the garage door was blown out, and a truck camper was blown over into the yard. I have a generator running. My access will be spotty until this changes.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 09 2017,13:22

    Ouch.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on July 09 2017,13:28

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 09 2017,05:16)

    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Michigan? Wut?
    Posted by: Henry J on July 09 2017,16:07

    I guess whichever of the Great Lakes he's closer to had that lake effect thing on the local weather pattern. (And Michigan has shoreline on all but one of them... )
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 10 2017,07:13

    I'm near Eaton Rapids, Michigan. A < report on wind speeds in the storm from Friday morning > indicates speeds comparable to tropical storms around my area.

    Power is back on as of Sunday mid-day.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 10 2017,13:01

    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
    Posted by: KevinB on July 10 2017,13:13

    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    No, it was that dratted butterfly flapping its wings again.
    Posted by: Texas Teach on July 10 2017,13:42

    Quote (KevinB @ July 10 2017,13:13)
    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    No, it was that dratted butterfly flapping its wings again.
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    I thought it was The Gays.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 10 2017,14:16

    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    There is a large outdoor clock in downtown Eaton Rapids that I recognized in a newspaper article. It turns out that somebody was working out the spot in Michigan that was furthest away from any of the Great Lakes, and that street corner appeared to be it.
    Posted by: KevinB on July 10 2017,15:00

    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 10 2017,13:42)
     
    Quote (KevinB @ July 10 2017,13:13)
     
    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    No, it was that dratted butterfly flapping its wings again.
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    I thought it was The Gays.
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    No, that's what caused the eruption on Montserrat.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 10 2017,15:45

    Quote (KevinB @ July 10 2017,12:13)
    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    No, it was that dratted butterfly flapping its wings again.
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    Maybe if they got some Smart person to take Control of all that Kaos...
    Posted by: Cubist on July 10 2017,17:09

    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,15:45)
    Quote (KevinB @ July 10 2017,12:13)
     
    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2017,13:01)
    So pretty close to equidistant from three of the lakes? So you can get weather from any of those three?
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    No, it was that dratted butterfly flapping its wings again.
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    Maybe if they got some Smart person to take Control of all that Kaos...
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    Missed it by that much!
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 12 2017,11:29

    Yes, I added the Net Neutrality pop-up. It will appear once per device you load this site on. I hope you will make it known to your representatives that we need Net Neutrality and the FCC to keep -- and enforce -- Title II regulations on ISPs.
    Posted by: Quack on July 16 2017,14:39

    I don't know where else I might turn to ask for help. I have been using the Albasani news server for many years without any problems whatsoever - but now I am unable to use it, and cant understand why. Pinging works ok.

    < http://www.websitedown.info/news.al....ani.net >

    I delete the old Albasani account from Outlook Express, create a news Albasani news account, add the newsgroup talk.origins, and expect things to start working again - but all I get is a message that connecting to the server fails.

    I haven't tried to see if anything of the old account has been retained and is causing the problem yet, but will check it out.

    I am flabbergasted.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 24 2017,22:35

    Over the past couple of days I have learned more about Ethernet Layer 2 issues than I ever wanted to know. Hopefully things will be better from this point on that score.
    Posted by: Henry J on July 25 2017,09:23

    And here I thought the Ether theory got abandoned after relativity was invented...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 19 2017,22:05

    Spammer access curtailed: tomsnorge
    Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 24 2017,16:51

    How come the PT main page isn't showing me the number of replies on each of the last 5 threads?

    Each thread does show the replies and number of them.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 02 2017,09:17

    "Arthurwhism" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 02 2017,11:09

    It is the dawning of the age of Spamalot...
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 05 2017,19:15

    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 02 2017,10:09)
    It is the dawning of the age of Spamalot...
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    Yep, the age of Spam is here!
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Oct. 05 2017,20:51

    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 05 2017,19:15)
    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 02 2017,10:09)
    It is the dawning of the age of Spamalot...
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yep, the age of Spam is here!
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    The Spaminiferous.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2017,18:54

    "neareesewquopedo" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2017,18:57

    "Januszek45Adany" is another spammer account blocked. I've deleted one of three posts so far. If anyone can point me to the others, please reply here.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2017,18:59

    "monclergr" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Bob O'H on Oct. 09 2017,03:31

    There are a couple on the Young Cosmos thread.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 09 2017,11:04

    Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 09 2017,03:31)
    There are a couple on the Young Cosmos thread.
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    Thanks.

    "Michaelbrame" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 20 2017,20:38

    "Antoniobrore" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 20 2017,20:58

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2017,21:38)
    "Antoniobrore" is another spammer account blocked.
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    Sorry guys, I would have killed it my new job is just wearing me completely out.
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 20 2017,22:57

    Hasta la vista, Spambino...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 27 2017,10:51

    "Vaidokser" is another spam account blocked.
    Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 27 2017,13:22

    Yeah, but they always come back.

    Usually to really old threads.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 08 2017,07:49

    Cleanup in progress.

    Good-bye to "plushbeautyspa", "Vadeamark", and "VladerUndup".
    Posted by: rossum on Nov. 08 2017,10:33

    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 27 2017,13:22)
    Yeah, but they always come back.

    Usually to really old threads.
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    There are a lot more old threads than new threads.  If they pick a thread at random then...

    rossum
    Posted by: Alan Fox on Nov. 08 2017,12:22

    < reCAPTCHA > seems to work really well at TSZ. From deleting a dozen or so spam registrations daily to none at all. No complaints about false positives so far! (Mind you, how can they?) :)
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 08 2017,16:11

    Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 08 2017,12:22)
    < reCAPTCHA > seems to work really well at TSZ. From deleting a dozen or so spam registrations daily to none at all. No complaints about false positives so far! (Mind you, how can they?) :)
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    I'll have to have a look to see about that.

    There is the issue that the latest OS upgrade broke the PM facility in the IkonBoard software. The longer-term solution may well be switching to a modern forum package, though every time I look at the feature set there is something missing that either was part of IkonBoard or that I've hacked in over the years. So reCAPTCHA and how awkward the integration might be would play into that decision.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 13 2017,08:03

    "impawl" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 13 2017,09:17

    How do they think up those names.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 15 2017,13:35

    Henglofe ?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 15 2017,14:16

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 15 2017,13:35)
    Henglofe ?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Another spammer account disabled.
    Posted by: KevinB on Nov. 15 2017,16:10

    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 13 2017,09:17)
    How do they think up those names.
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    Dawkin's Weasel Program?
    Posted by: Texas Teach on Nov. 15 2017,18:08

    Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 15 2017,16:10)
    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 13 2017,09:17)
    How do they think up those names.
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    Dawkin's Weasel Program?
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    Latching or non-latching?
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 15 2017,21:53

    Quote (Texas Teach @ Nov. 15 2017,17:08)
    Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 15 2017,16:10)
    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 13 2017,09:17)
    How do they think up those names.
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    Dawkin's Weasel Program?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Latching or non-latching?
    ---------------------QUOTE-------------------


    Yes.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 17 2017,01:44

    "Fernayzjat" is another spammer account blocked.
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 17 2017,11:19

    What language was it in?
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 24 2017,22:24

    I serviced scammer account "evelynethomas".
    Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 26 2017,12:08

    And there's yet another one, on a ten year old thread.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 27 2017,22:16

    Off to Siberia with spammer "SanuchFep".
    Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 01 2017,12:47

    Ernestlok... Deathlok's cheesy little brother.

    Though technically I guess matcha is a libation...
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 01 2017,14:13

    And it's only $9.99 ...
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 02 2017,00:02

    Spammer "ErnestLok" is unbrewed.
    Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 02 2017,17:47

    Why are they targeting this site?

    Seems odd.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 05 2017,22:34

    Spammer "Francesslepe" has been put out to pasture.
    Posted by: Henry J on Dec. 12 2017,09:21

    Well, at least KeithBoomy used our alphabet.
    Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 12 2017,18:38

    Spammer account "KeithBoomy" is now unplugged.
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