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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,14:21   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:08)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,12:35)
Hey Joey,

Can you tell me the difference between these two Morse code sequences?

... --- ...
and
... --. ...

Does it change the resulting meaning?

Now, can you tell me the difference between these two DNA sequences?

AGG ATC CCG
and
AGG GTA CCG

Does it change the resulting protein?

Kevin, You are a moron. What does any of that have to do with anything I am discussing?

The difference between the Morse code sequences is ine is SOS and the other is SGS.

And in the DNA sequences the second one has GTA as the middle codon whereas the first has ATC.

The DNA would be transcribed into mRNA so the resulting mRNAs would be:

UCC UAG GGC
and
UCC CAU GGC

UAG is a stop codon whereas CAU is the amino acid histidine.

So yes if those codons were part of an expressed gene there would be a difference in the resulting product.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,14:23   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,14:17)
yeah, I messed that all up. Ah well.

The point is that multiple codons code for the same amino acids.

Which neatly discredits all the points about "information" in the ID playbook.

Anyway, the point is that you have no evidence that the genetic code (to use the casual name) is required to have been designed. Just because humans create coding systems doesn't mean that nothing else can create a coding system.

Again, all you can do is attack evolution... and, as I told you... I mean "Fred", without positive supporting evidence for ID you don't have anything but bluster and whining.

The only reason you are here is because I banned you... again.

LoL! So what that the genetic has redundancies? How does that discredit any points about information in the ID playbook?

The evidence the genetic code was designed is this- nature cannot produce codes and only intelligent agencies can. Science 101, moron.

And you have to ban people because you are a lowlife cowardly ignorant loser.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,14:26   

Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,15:29   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:26)
Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

Damn Chubs but you're a dumb one.

One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.  That's what tree rings do.  That's what the genetic code does.  It doesn't have to use symbols as abstract representations of other data like Morse does and it doesn't have be intelligently designed.  Moran was simply using Morse to illustrate the concept of input-->output mapping, not saying Morse and DNA are both designed codes.

Joke the idiot strikes again.   :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,15:58   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,15:29)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:26)
Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

Damn Chubs but you're a dumb one.

One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.  That's what tree rings do.  That's what the genetic code does.  It doesn't have to use symbols as abstract representations of other data like Morse does and it doesn't have be intelligently designed.  Moran was simply using Morse to illustrate the concept of input-->output mapping, not saying Morse and DNA are both designed codes.

Joke the idiot strikes again.   :D

I asked for a scholarly reference to support you claim that tree rings were a code and like the typical coward that you are you FAILed to produce one.

Trees are a type of data recorder. And guess what? Evolutionism cannot explain the existence of trees.

I never said Moran said the genetic code was designed. That is the only explanation for it. Nothing else can produce a code. Dumbass.

$3.1 million to solve the code problem- we all know no one will will win it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,16:03   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,15:29)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:26)
Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

Damn Chubs but you're a dumb one.

One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.  That's what tree rings do.  That's what the genetic code does.  It doesn't have to use symbols as abstract representations of other data like Morse does and it doesn't have be intelligently designed.  Moran was simply using Morse to illustrate the concept of input-->output mapping, not saying Morse and DNA are both designed codes.

Joke the idiot strikes again.   :D

Wikipedia doesn't support you, loser

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,16:41   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,15:58)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,15:29)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:26)
Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

Damn Chubs but you're a dumb one.

One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.  That's what tree rings do.  That's what the genetic code does.  It doesn't have to use symbols as abstract representations of other data like Morse does and it doesn't have be intelligently designed.  Moran was simply using Morse to illustrate the concept of input-->output mapping, not saying Morse and DNA are both designed codes.

Joke the idiot strikes again.   :D

I asked for a scholarly reference to support you claim that tree rings were a code and like the typical coward that you are you FAILed to produce one.


Sorry you fat turd but I don't hop to your commands.  Here is one example.

Global and Planetary Change

     
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ABSTRACT
Separating temperature and precipitation signals encoded in tree rings is a complicated issue. Here, we present a separation method by combining two tree-ring width chronologies of Schrenk's spruce (Picea schrenkiana) from the upper and lower timberlines in the western Tien Shan Mountains, northwest China. Correlation analyses show that both chronologies correlate positively with precipitation. However, temperature correlates positively with the chronology from the upper timberline, while negatively with the chronology from the lower timberline. This suggests that the two chronologies contain similar precipitation information but opposite temperature signals. In light of this, we calculated the average and difference of the two chronologies, and found that each of them has a much stronger correlation with precipitation or temperature alone. Finally, we reconstructed local precipitation and temperature variations over the past 201. years by using the average and difference of the two chronologies. The two reconstructions do not have a significant correlation, but they have significant positive and negative relationships on the high- and low-frequency band, respectively


Tree rings are but one of many climate proxies used to reconstruct past climate conditions by the data the proxies encode.

 
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What is a proxy?

A proxy is something that preserves a physical characteristic of the past.  You can measure it to infer the value of a variable in a past climate.  Basically, proxies encode the climatic conditions that prevailed during much of the Earth's history.


Clueless moron.

 
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I never said Moran said the genetic code was designed. That is the only explanation for it. Nothing else can produce a code.


Intelligence is only required for codes that use symbols as abstract representations of data.  For physical encoding processes that map input to output like tree rings and DNA no intelligence is required.

Ronery dumbshit.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:04   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,16:41)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,15:58)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,15:29)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,14:26)
Larry Moran on the real genetic code. He even uses Morse code to show the two are the same type of code.

Damn Chubs but you're a dumb one.

One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.  That's what tree rings do.  That's what the genetic code does.  It doesn't have to use symbols as abstract representations of other data like Morse does and it doesn't have be intelligently designed.  Moran was simply using Morse to illustrate the concept of input-->output mapping, not saying Morse and DNA are both designed codes.

Joke the idiot strikes again.   :D

I asked for a scholarly reference to support you claim that tree rings were a code and like the typical coward that you are you FAILed to produce one.


Sorry you fat turd but I don't hop to your commands.  Here is one example.

Global and Planetary Change

     
Quote
ABSTRACT
Separating temperature and precipitation signals encoded in tree rings is a complicated issue. Here, we present a separation method by combining two tree-ring width chronologies of Schrenk's spruce (Picea schrenkiana) from the upper and lower timberlines in the western Tien Shan Mountains, northwest China. Correlation analyses show that both chronologies correlate positively with precipitation. However, temperature correlates positively with the chronology from the upper timberline, while negatively with the chronology from the lower timberline. This suggests that the two chronologies contain similar precipitation information but opposite temperature signals. In light of this, we calculated the average and difference of the two chronologies, and found that each of them has a much stronger correlation with precipitation or temperature alone. Finally, we reconstructed local precipitation and temperature variations over the past 201. years by using the average and difference of the two chronologies. The two reconstructions do not have a significant correlation, but they have significant positive and negative relationships on the high- and low-frequency band, respectively


Tree rings are but one of many climate proxies used to reconstruct past climate conditions by the data the proxies encode.

 
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What is a proxy?

A proxy is something that preserves a physical characteristic of the past.  You can measure it to infer the value of a variable in a past climate.  Basically, proxies encode the climatic conditions that prevailed during much of the Earth's history.


Clueless moron.

   
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I never said Moran said the genetic code was designed. That is the only explanation for it. Nothing else can produce a code.


Intelligence is only required for codes that use symbols as abstract representations of data.  For physical encoding processes that map input to output like tree rings and DNA no intelligence is required.

Ronery dumbshit.

So what, exactly, is the CODE? Just because data is encoded in tree rings doesn't mean tree rings are a code, dumbass. It takes humans to decode that data and create information from it.

Tree rings are not a code and only a total asswipe would even try to say they are.

Also mRNA codons are abstract representations of amino acids. There isn't any physiochemical connection between mRNA codons and the amino acids they abstractly represent. There isn't any law that can account for the genetic code. There isn't a physical encoding processes that map input to output. It is the same as Morse code, imbecile.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:06   

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One meaning of "code" is any process that maps the inputs to the outputs.


Reference please.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:12   

Process mapping maps inputs to outputs...

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:33   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,17:04)
Just because data is encoded in tree rings doesn't mean tree rings are a code, dumbass. It takes humans to decode that data and create information from it.


Yes it does you ignorant turd.  Tree rings are there with the climate data encoded whether humans look at them or not, just like DNA produces amino acids whether humans look at it or not.  By definition anything that physically encodes data is a form of coding.  It's not an intelligently designed code that uses symbols as abstract representations but it's still a code.

Sorry Chubs but your pitiful ignorance is showing again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:38   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,17:33)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,17:04)
Just because data is encoded in tree rings doesn't mean tree rings are a code, dumbass. It takes humans to decode that data and create information from it.


Yes it does you ignorant turd.  Tree rings are there with the climate data encoded whether humans look at them or not, just like DNA produces amino acids whether humans look at it or not.  By definition anything that physically encodes data is a form of coding.  It's not an intelligently designed code that uses symbols as abstract representations but it's still a code.

Sorry Chubs but your pitiful ignorance is showing again.

You said tree rings were a code and yet you cannot say what the code is.

You provided a bogus definition of "code" and you cannot find anyone who supports your claim that tree rings are a code.

If I encode a message onto a CD does that mean the CD is a code? By your "logic" it does. Moron.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,17:40   

BTW, DNA doesn't produce amino acids, you ignorant turd-eater.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:29   

Fascinating, Joey, did you know that "genetic code" has a completely different definition than that of "code"?

But don't let the fact that ice is made of H2O stop you from complaining.

Here's the thing Joe, YOU don't get to make the definitions that you use when arguing science. Not you, not Dembski, not Behe. The people who do are the entire body of scientists.

You CONTINUE to argue semantics about what one person said instead of arguing for or against anything else.

You can't argue for ID because there is nothing supporting ID. It doesn't matter if DNA is a code or not. There is nothing that requires a code be developed by an intelligence. It's up to ID people to show that what they think is true. It's not up to anyone else. And they continue to not do that.

You want to say that DNA is a code that can only be developed by intelligence, then you have to support that claim. And "so and so" said so is not evidence. "All codes we know of are developed by intelligence" is not evidence. You'd know that if you knew anything about how science actually works. But you're too stupid and too arrogant to learn anything.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:34   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:29)
Fascinating, Joey, did you know that "genetic code" has a completely different definition than that of "code"?

But don't let the fact that ice is made of H2O stop you from complaining.

Here's the thing Joe, YOU don't get to make the definitions that you use when arguing science. Not you, not Dembski, not Behe. The people who do are the entire body of scientists.

You CONTINUE to argue semantics about what one person said instead of arguing for or against anything else.

You can't argue for ID because there is nothing supporting ID. It doesn't matter if DNA is a code or not. There is nothing that requires a code be developed by an intelligence. It's up to ID people to show that what they think is true. It's not up to anyone else. And they continue to not do that.

You want to say that DNA is a code that can only be developed by intelligence, then you have to support that claim. And "so and so" said so is not evidence. "All codes we know of are developed by intelligence" is not evidence. You'd know that if you knew anything about how science actually works. But you're too stupid and too arrogant to learn anything.

Kevin, are you retarded? The genetic code is a code and has the exact definition of a code.

I know ice is made up of H2O- I never said otherwise, asshole.

I didn't make the definition you fucking loser.

I argue semantics when people provide bogus definitions and bullshit examples.

The genetic code is evidence for ID, asshole, ignorant fuck. I don't want to say that DNA is a code. there is no debate that the genetic code is a real code. And "all codes we know are developed by intelligence" is the way to interpret the evidence, moron. You don't have anything that can produce a code, dipshit.

You are so ignorant of science you are pathetic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:38   

I linked to Larry Moran, an evolutionist with no love for ID, who said the genetic code is a real code comparable to Morse code.

It is also a fact that you don't have a mechanism capable of producing codes. No one knows how to model such a thing. You lose, assholes. And the $3.1 million is very safe from you imbeciles.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:52   

Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

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The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:53   

Quote (Joke G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:38)
I linked to Larry Moran, an evolutionist with no love for ID, who said the genetic code is a real code comparable to Morse code.

He said it's comparable only in that both do input-->output mapping.  But poor dumbass Joke doesn't understand subtleties like that.  Joke just need to rant and spew and show everyone one again what a clueless clown he is.

Mission accomplished Chubs!  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:54   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

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The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:57   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 15 2015,18:53)
Quote (Joke G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:38)
I linked to Larry Moran, an evolutionist with no love for ID, who said the genetic code is a real code comparable to Morse code.

He said it's comparable only in that both do input-->output mapping.  But poor dumbass Joke doesn't understand subtleties like that.  Joke just need to rant and spew and show everyone one again what a clueless clown he is.

Mission accomplished Chubs!  :D

Process mapping is not a code, asswipe. They are both comparable because they both use abstract symbols to represent the final product.

The CD is not the code and tree rings are not codes. Your bogus definition of "code" just proves that you are a desperate loser.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:57   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:54)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

 
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The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

Wow. I'm impressed, you found and read a 12 page peer-reviewed article and the associated references, understood all the diagrams and the complete system that they were describing in...

TWO FUCKING MINUTES!?!?!?!?  including the time it took you to write the response.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a bad case of the Behe's. "I've never read those, but they don't crush my claims at all."

Edited by OgreMkV on Oct. 15 2015,18:58

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,18:59   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:57)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:54)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

   
Quote
The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

Wow. I'm impressed, you found and read a 12 page peer-reviewed article and the associated references, understood all the diagrams and the complete system that they were describing in...

TWO FUCKING MINUTES!?!?!?!?  including the time it took you to write the response.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a bad case of the Behe's. "I've never read those, but they don't crush my claims at all."

Make your case, asshole. Your literature bluff means nothing. Even you said it was an old article, assface.

You are an absolute dickhead, Kevin.

Make your case, I dare you

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,19:15   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:59)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:57)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:54)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

   
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The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

Wow. I'm impressed, you found and read a 12 page peer-reviewed article and the associated references, understood all the diagrams and the complete system that they were describing in...

TWO FUCKING MINUTES!?!?!?!?  including the time it took you to write the response.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a bad case of the Behe's. "I've never read those, but they don't crush my claims at all."

Make your case, asshole. Your literature bluff means nothing. Even you said it was an old article, assface.

You are an absolute dickhead, Kevin.

Make your case, I dare you

Why Joey?

Why should I do what you tell me? It wouldn't matter. You are incapable of learning (wavelengths Joey, wavelengths). You are also incapable of admitting any form of error (everything you've ever said). Even further, in the 5 years that I've been seeing your vomit plastered over the internet, I can't think of a single time when you said something that was correct. You could have learned a lot in those years Joey, but you haven't.

I've downloaded and read hundreds of peer-reviewed papers. I've written reports on them. You have been saying the same shit for 5 years and no one listens to you. No one cares. Your own team think you're a moron.

So, read the article, pretend that you a competent human being with a functioning brain and read the article.

I don't have any hope that you will. Hell, you didn't even read the portion of the abstract. You just blithely dismissed it.

You ignore the simple fact that what you say can't happen... already has.
http://www.pnas.org/content....96.full

Here's some software designed to build these models
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc....3596977

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,19:24   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,16:54)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

 
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The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

None of the crap that you spew shows in any way that your imaginary sky daddy exists.

Hey YEC joey, don't you IDiots believe and claim that trees have a 'designed' genetic code? And don't you IDiots believe and claim that a 'designed' genetic code in trees enables and controls the existence and patterns of tree rings? In other words, don't you IDiots believe and claim that a 'designed' genetic code in trees is what enables and controls the 'design' of trees? If you say no, let's see you go to UD and belligerently claim that trees have no 'designed' genetic code or that a 'designed' genetic code in trees has nothing to do with tree rings (or the lack thereof). Be sure to call any IDiots who disagree with you assfaces, liars, cowards, cocksuckers, child molesters, etc., and also threaten to beat them up and/or kill them and/or complain to their employers just for disagreeing with you.  

joey, were there any genetic codes before humans existed? If so, who called them 'codes' and defined them back then?

One more thing for now, joey. Can a code be defined (by humans) as a pattern and can a pattern be defined as a code?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,20:12   

Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,16:59)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:57)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,18:54)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 15 2015,18:52)
Here you go.

Evolution of a coding system. Sella, G. & Ardell, D. The Coevolution of Genes and Genetic Codes: Crick’s Frozen Accident Revisited. J. Mol. Evol. 63, 297–313 (2006).

   
Quote
The recent  application   of   mathematical   modeling   to   study   the  effects of errors on the course of coevolution, suggests
a   different   conclusion.   It   shows   that   coevolution readily   generates   genetic   codes   that   are   highly redundant   and   similar   in   their   error-correcting organization   to   the   standard   code.   We   review   this  recent   work  and suggest   that  further affirmation  of  the   role   of   coevolution   can   be   attained   by   investigating the extent to which the outcome of coevolution   is   robust   to   other   influences   that   were   present  during the evolution of the code.


There you go. You can donate the money to the researchers who did the work.

Not that I expect you to actually admit that this work exists (indeed, is a decade old at this point).

Umm this in no way shows that nature can produce codes. You must be an absolute moron.

Wow. I'm impressed, you found and read a 12 page peer-reviewed article and the associated references, understood all the diagrams and the complete system that they were describing in...

TWO FUCKING MINUTES!?!?!?!?  including the time it took you to write the response.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a bad case of the Behe's. "I've never read those, but they don't crush my claims at all."

Make your case, asshole. Your literature bluff means nothing. Even you said it was an old article, assface.

You are an absolute dickhead, Kevin.

Make your case, I dare you

So then, joey, every reference that you and every other IDiot-creationist has ever made to an article that is a decade old or older is worthless, right? By the way, how old are the koran and the bible (both of which were butchered together from even older religious crap)?

And it's really funny when you bash Wikipedia but then turn around and rely on it, just like your fellow two-faced theocratic goon gordo mullings.

You "dare" Ogre to make his case? What are you going to do if he doesn't make his case to your satisfaction, double "dare" him? Believe it or not, YEC narcissist joey, no one has to satisfy you in any way whatsoever. You're just a loud mouthed nobody who has no effect on the practice of science.

Have you sued your kids' school(s) yet, for teaching evolutionary theory? If not, what are you waiting for? Doesn't a big shot legal expert like you want to have an IDiotic effect on law? Your multitude of followers (the ticks in your butt crack) are counting on you to get rid of icky evolutionary theory in schools and replace it with allahoo-yahoo-yeshoo-holy-spook-ism. Get crackin', joey!

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,20:37   

Careful Joey, they're arresting people for making false claims about their service history now...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015....a-agent

I note with sadness that they don't say anything with "journalists" lie.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2015,12:38   

Joey is doing his thing at TSZ again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2015,14:36   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 19 2015,18:38)
Joey is doing his thing at TSZ again.

And you're responding! :)

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SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2015,15:09   

But he didn't like me, even though I agreed that sky fairies designed everything. I'm crushed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2015,17:00   

bug

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SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
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