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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2009,12:44   

Yet another major US evangelical has now declared himself a YEC. Mega church Pastor Charles Stanley has invided Ken Ham to  speak at his church in October:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/aroundt....atlanta

   
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Many of you will have heard of Dr. Charles Stanley, senior pastor of First Baptist Church, Atlanta.  Dr. Stanley has a worldwide TV ministry, and his very highly respected throughout the world.  I have the privilege and honor of speaking at both morning church services, and a special evening session at his church, on October 4.  You can find more details from the AiG online calendar.


I hate to bring this up again (as I'll be hounded by certain quarters) but where does this leave evolution Sunday ? I firmly support the concept, however, I strongly feel that unless a mainstream evangelical comes out in support of it, evolution Sunday is really dead in the water. Are there any main evangelicals in the US that aren't YEC ? Ham appears to have duped them all.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2009,14:54   

First Baptist in Jacksonville, FL has also invited Ham or the equivalent. I'll try to get details.

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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2009,15:52   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2009,14:54)
First Baptist in Jacksonville, FL has also invited Ham or the equivalent. I'll try to get details.

Is it a mega church ?

I went to several (Baptist churches) in Florida when I was on holiday there. One was in the back of beyond,as they say in these parts. The experience was, well, interesting to say the least.

The other was more mainstream and not unlike the Crescent church in Belfast

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2009,17:20   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 25 2009,12:44)
...I hate to bring this up again (as I'll be hounded by certain quarters) but where does this leave evolution Sunday ? I firmly support the concept, however, I strongly feel that unless a mainstream evangelical comes out in support of it, evolution Sunday is really dead in the water. Are there any main evangelicals in the US that aren't YEC ? Ham appears to have duped them all.

I guess your definition of an "evangelical Christian" would affect the answer to that question. When I hear the label of "evangelical Christian" I automatically link it to "born again fundy", I readily admit that is not a literal =. It is just what springs to mind.

Neither the clergy project nor evolution Sunday is going to convert a single fundy to accept evolution directly. What it will do, is give thinking religious people an argument that they can use to counter the claims of folks such as FL.

IMO, that is a good thing.

  
Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2009,11:51   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 25 2009,17:20)
 
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 25 2009,12:44)
...I hate to bring this up again (as I'll be hounded by certain quarters) but where does this leave evolution Sunday ? I firmly support the concept, however, I strongly feel that unless a mainstream evangelical comes out in support of it, evolution Sunday is really dead in the water. Are there any main evangelicals in the US that aren't YEC ? Ham appears to have duped them all.

I guess your definition of an "evangelical Christian" would affect the answer to that question. When I hear the label of "evangelical Christian" I automatically link it to "born again fundy", I readily admit that is not a literal =. It is just what springs to mind.

Neither the clergy project nor evolution Sunday is going to convert a single fundy to accept evolution directly. What it will do, is give thinking religious people an argument that they can use to counter the claims of folks such as FL.

IMO, that is a good thing.

I would differentiate between the two Stephen.

Having moved in evangelical circles here (many of my relatives are evangelical), I would describe the likes of Stanley, Sproul, or even Macarthur as being realatively sensible, as distinct from say Parsley, Jakes, or Hagee,  the latter appearing to me as being way out and extreme. I would draw the distinction between evangelical and fundie. The Evangelical Alliance in the UK would be evangelical in it's approach, but not fundie i.e.they wouldn't protest outside the BBC at the screening of Gerry Springer the opera (like Steve Greene and Christian Voice did), though they may write a letter. I think there is a difference between the two.

  
Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2009,13:11   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 26 2009,11:51)
I think there is a difference between the two.

Such as disapproving of someone/something versus protesting to have him/her/it burn in Hell for ever and ever and ever for offending their sensibilities?

  
MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2009,17:25   

I think that at the end of the day it is bums on seats. You don't know what is going on inside his head but a large part of it would be that Ken Ham is a crowd puller.

The moment that they sense that their congregations are dropping because of their archaic ideas a lot of them will flip.

I think that we saw this with global warming. I get the sense that a few evangelical leaders flipped from "God wouldn't allow global warming and it is our duty to rape the planet" to "God requires us to be good stewards of the environment" because people starting wandering off.

People will shop for the religion that fits their predisposed ideas and the combination of people laughing at creationists and other religions accepting evolution may create a market share for people who think evolution is ok but Obama is still the anti-Christ.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2009,18:16   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 25 2009,15:52)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2009,14:54)
First Baptist in Jacksonville, FL has also invited Ham or the equivalent. I'll try to get details.

Is it a mega church ?

I went to several (Baptist churches) in Florida when I was on holiday there. One was in the back of beyond,as they say in these parts. The experience was, well, interesting to say the least.

The other was more mainstream and not unlike the Crescent church in Belfast

http://www.icr.org/conference/

Yep

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2009,18:24   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 26 2009,11:51)
   
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 25 2009,17:20)
       
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 25 2009,12:44)
...I hate to bring this up again (as I'll be hounded by certain quarters) but where does this leave evolution Sunday ? I firmly support the concept, however, I strongly feel that unless a mainstream evangelical comes out in support of it, evolution Sunday is really dead in the water. Are there any main evangelicals in the US that aren't YEC ? Ham appears to have duped them all.

I guess your definition of an "evangelical Christian" would affect the answer to that question. When I hear the label of "evangelical Christian" I automatically link it to "born again fundy", I readily admit that is not a literal =...   

I would differentiate between the two Stephen...

So did I.

  
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