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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,03:15   

I also ran across this in Expelled Challenge FAQ:

 
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Q: Will someone from our administration be able to screen the entire movie prior to the movie’s release?

A: There will be opportunities for screenings in certain markets across the country, but not in every market. Please email us at expelledchallenge@groundforcenetwork.com if you’re interested in being a part of a pre-release screening, and we’ll let you know of the availabilities in your area.


so there's another totallly public route to finding extra-special-super-ninja-secret RSVP site.  Oh, hey, did you know RSVP means "répondez s’il vous plaît"?  That's like French and stuff for "Please respond".  DaveScot taughted me that on UD.

Of course, I can confidently predict that the response to that would be that you gamed the system by misrepresenting yourself as an educator and that you are therefore an evil Darwinist scum who's NOT INVITED.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,09:30   

Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,22:33)
OK, I found this nifty bit from a guy who saw one of the Expelled screenings:

   
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I saw the movie on Tuesday and was given a DVD with over 30 minutes of raw clips. We were told as teachers to show it in class and use it as a debate opportunity for our students to discuss the issue of censorship, and so on. Of course, they want it to go to people who will promote it and get our friends to come out to see the movie. (Yes, it's a vast right wing conspiracy!;)



Emphasis mine. Here's the full entry

This dude is one of the faithful as well, so no axe to grind unless it's with atheists and such.  I have to say, I'm not too enthused about them telling teachers to show this in class, and you know which class they want it shown in too.  If it's like a current events or social studies thing, I'm fairly cool with that, but the only time it should be in a science class is to provide an object lesson in pseudo. I'll try to find some corroboration on this.

Re that blog:

 
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Check back for my random thoughts on eschatology, world missions, God's Law and Society, theonomy, Christian Reconstruction, pro-life activism, evangelism testimonies, Neo-Puritan theology and social theory, revival and spiritual awakening, church history, and so on.


So I did.

 
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What we [Christian Reconstructionists] do believe is that God's Law is just. If God commands execution for a capital crime, then it is a just punishment. We can't be squeamish about these Old Testament capital laws. This is what our God commanded.

Now whether our society today ought to enforce these laws "lock, stock and tablets" is another argument. There has been a change under the New Covenant regarding certain Old Covenant Laws. Every theonomist we interviewed agreed with this idea. I have always found it strange that people who are opposed to Christian Reconstruction always jump to the claim that we want to stone incorrigible children. No Reconstructionist has argued that we ought to do that.


[Emphasis mine] Oh, I’m so relieved. :(

Anyway, I left a comment merely asking who told him, as a teacher, to show it in class.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,10:27   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2008,23:40)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 26 2008,15:15)
 
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WHERE ARE MY FIVE QUESTIONS?

Sorry Richard  - Here you go: (BTW - your question almost flounced at me just like FTK!)

1.  Kevin, what is your educational background?

2.  Why were you so easily duped by Cornelius Hunter and his book "Sciences Blind Spot?

3.  Please comment on the fact that Cornelius Hunter had trouble distinguishing between a wolf and a thalycine, and tried to use a picture of a thalycine from a coloring book as a teaching tool.

4.  As an ID supporter, please tell us what the actual Theory of ID is. (Telling us what is wrong with TOE does not count.)

5.  Which god is the right god?  Is it Zeus, the Christian God (and which sect for extra credit), Allah or Other?

edited for sp

added in edit - The Corny Hunter Thread.  Coloring Book stuff on Jan 26

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....+hunter

Nother edit :  I forgot about Wes taking Hunter to task for "fudging" the differences between wolves and thalycines in a presentation Hunter made...  link is at Wes' site:

http://austringer.net/wp/?p=493

Rich:  So maybe ask Kevin :  What is it about Liers at the DI?

My only question is, Kevin, since you argued for a link between Darwinism and Hitler, why didn't you tell your audience that Hitler was a creationist*?

Don't bother answering, the reason is obvious.

(* http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....805448)

i was discussing this with friends last night and one piped up "But Hitler was an Atheist!". Factual correctness has no bearing on how many times it gets said at church, apparently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,11:06   

Re: "Hitler was an atheist!"

Hitler was a nutcase with obsessions and a thirst for power. It is obvious that he (and his followers) used whatever was around opportunistically to manipulate people. It's way too simplistic to try to say that "Hitler was an X!" for just about any X that includes a substantial proportion of non-nutcase humans and pretend that we have determined the basis of what drove the Nazis to do what they did.

Did evolutionary ideas get used in Nazi propaganda? Sure. So did lots of ideas from Christianity. The mere presence of some idea in Nazi propaganda only shows directly that the propagandist thought that a chunk of his target audience would respond well to it. The notion that one can come up with simple, exclusive causes for Nazis and Hitler doing the things they did is ludicrous. Many of the folks high in the Nazi hierarchy were people without much in the way of formal education and who never showed much tendency to apply a principled view of things to their actions, even misunderstood principles. Principled application of some one viewpoint would imply a consistency in publicly-stated justifications that was notable by its absence in Nazi propaganda output.

But the modern propaganda wants us to accept that there is a clear, simple causative explanation for the phenomenon of Hitler and Nazism, and that "Darwinism" is it. In doing so, they have to discard or otherwise overlook the evidence that many other factors influenced the leaders of Nazi Germany, and that in the single most famous case, that of Hitler, one most often finds him couching his arguments in terms of allusions to Christian theology and mythology.

The rhetorical ploy, though, has features that make it function, even if it is wrong. People like simple explanations. People don't like being told that understanding will take effort and scholarship, and can't be delivered via sound bite or "Lord Privy Seal" cutaway. That all sounds too much like work.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,22:10   

OK, indisputable proof of Hitler's true religious position:



Courtesy of  http://www.superdickery.com/

(edited 11/4/2008: Image broken)

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,01:09   

Gatecrashing == BAD.  But smuggling for Jesus....:



(edited 11/4/2008: Broken image)

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,09:28   

Well, now we know what happens (or doesn't)  when you get invited:
 
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This is where I was supposed to be telling you what I thought about the film Expelled after having paid (yes I know, “boo, hiss”) $10 to Biola university for a ticket to “Expelled! The Movie and the Event“.

Here is their description of the event:

EXPELLED!
The Movie and the Event
with Ben Stein

Intelligent Design: What happens when a group of scientists get terminated for thinking it is reasonable to believe in ID? Actor Ben Stein makes a funny and thought-provoking movie about it. Join us for an exclusive backstage film pass and hear from Stein himself as well as a panel of experts.

“The Movie and the event”, “backstage film pass“, sounds like you might actually see the movie right? Wrong! Instead all you get for your ten clams and your forty minute drive (one way) is essentially a commercial for the movie with a few clips and a lot of ID babble from Stephen C. Meyer, Ben (Mad Dog) Stein, and three or four also spokes.

Needless to say I am a bit peeved about this.

So now they’re making people plop down $10 to see the pre-show cartoon because they’ve lost their nerve about showing the whole thing. :)

Uh-buh, uh-buh, THAT’S ALL FOLKS! :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,10:08   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 27 2008,11:06)
Re: "Hitler was an atheist!"

Hitler was a nutcase with obsessions and a thirst for power. It is obvious that he (and his followers) used whatever was around opportunistically to manipulate people. It's way too simplistic to try to say that "Hitler was an X!" for just about any X that includes a substantial proportion of non-nutcase humans and pretend that we have determined the basis of what drove the Nazis to do what they did.

Did evolutionary ideas get used in Nazi propaganda? Sure. So did lots of ideas from Christianity. The mere presence of some idea in Nazi propaganda only shows directly that the propagandist thought that a chunk of his target audience would respond well to it. The notion that one can come up with simple, exclusive causes for Nazis and Hitler doing the things they did is ludicrous. Many of the folks high in the Nazi hierarchy were people without much in the way of formal education and who never showed much tendency to apply a principled view of things to their actions, even misunderstood principles. Principled application of some one viewpoint would imply a consistency in publicly-stated justifications that was notable by its absence in Nazi propaganda output.

But the modern propaganda wants us to accept that there is a clear, simple causative explanation for the phenomenon of Hitler and Nazism, and that "Darwinism" is it. In doing so, they have to discard or otherwise overlook the evidence that many other factors influenced the leaders of Nazi Germany, and that in the single most famous case, that of Hitler, one most often finds him couching his arguments in terms of allusions to Christian theology and mythology.

The rhetorical ploy, though, has features that make it function, even if it is wrong. People like simple explanations. People don't like being told that understanding will take effort and scholarship, and can't be delivered via sound bite or "Lord Privy Seal" cutaway. That all sounds too much like work.

Believe it or not...Mr Joseph Goebbels ...a famed Christian  said this on the 9th of January 1928

 
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Then one can say that a person has a worldview—not because he knows a lot or has read a lot—but because he sees all of life from a certain standpoint, and measures everything by a certain standard. I am a Christian when I believe that the meaning of my life is the heavy responsibility to love my neighbor as myself.


One could ask who were the opertunists.

....Oh we have an answer to that....

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And he couldn't help but ask, he said, "But wait, how-there's something wrong - how do I get this mansion while that good and holy man only gets a single room?" And St. Peter said, "You have to understand how things are up here. We've got thousands and thousands of clergy. You're the first politician who ever made it."


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,10:47   

Ray Comfort says that he's been invited next. How do you like them bananas?  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,13:25   

The Wiki article on Expelled has been taking shape lately.  Still very messy but it's improving.  Check it out here

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,15:15   

The idiot Mathis has spoken again.  This is a cross-post from Talkorigins:

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The public is not aware of the materialist, atheistic agenda

Yeah, funny that.  You'd think the public would be aware of a materialist, atheistic agenda pushed by pastors and priests, people from all religions, cultures, and perspectives--since that seems so unlikely and unbelievable.  But they're just not, they tend to think that if religious and irreligious folk alike can agree on chemistry, biology, and physics, that it's just chemistry, biology, and physics.  It takes a real dedicated religious moron to assume that the science done in Catholic schools is part of the materialist, atheistic agenda, and that heroic dedicated religious moron is Mark Mathis.  Here's part of his interview:

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Mark Mathis is Associate Producer of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, a forthcoming documentary that says the Darwinists of American universities are suppressing scientific inquiry.

World on the Web: What makes Expelled different from other “radical idea” documentaries, like the ones Michael Moore has produced?

Mark Mathis: This film is not told from a conservative worldview, though that accusation will happen. Most of the documentary films that have been well done are driving an agenda that comes from the left side of the political spectrum. Films that do (come from this perspective) are less ambitious, more true to documentary form. Our agenda is that science needs to be free, and that the freedom’s not there. When you come to a Michael Moore or Al Gore film, the message is, “we have the answer; and everyone else, just shut up.” Expelled wants to do the opposite: stop the shutting down of scientific inquiry and return freedom to science.

WoW: Who is the film’s target demographic?

Mathis: Our target is the general public. The public is not aware of the materialist, atheistic agenda that is driven by elitists. We know that within the academic elitist institutions across this country, we are going to persuade almost absolutely no one. They’ve stopped looking at the evidence in an unbiased way.

WoW: And who do you think will be most interested in seeing this?

Mathis: People who care about freedom. People who are sick and tired of elitists dictate to them what truth is, people who believe that when they look at nature, they see reason to pursue scientific inquiry, and people who believe in God will have a strong interest in seeing this film. Having a free society will ultimately show us the truth.


The rest is here:

http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/28/mark-mathis-interview/

Let's see, dishonest Mark, Stein has already told us that this is a free society, which he attributed to capitalism.  And having this free society will ultimately show us the truth?  Looks like it already did, which is why you want an unfree society to enforce your lies into the curricula and into the science labs.

And gee, Mark, you're not going to persuade anyone who's well-educated, including the many religious academics?  Why not?  Don't you have any truth to tell us?  I'd think that if you had any truth, you'd be able to persuade some people.  What's the point of merely persuading those who don't know enough to judge?   Money and propaganda?  'Fraid so.

"...People who believe in God will have a strong interest in seeing this film."

Ooh, you just contradicted yourself there, idiot boy.  You said that the academic elites wouldn't be interested, and a significant number of those happen to be religious folk (like at the Catholic university I attended for a couple of years).  The intersection between religious folk and "academic elites" just happens to make a contradictory claim by you, hence you're lying once again.  

Then again, do you ever cease to lie in your interviews, Mathis?

Glen Davidson


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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,17:06   

Re: their cluelessness about the "atheist agenda":
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Some of you know that the producers of Expelled had a conference call this afternoon…a carefully controlled, closed environment in which they would spout their nonsense and only take questions by email. I listened to it for a while, and yeah, it was the usual run-around. However, I dialed in a few minutes early, and got to listen to a tiresome five minutes of Leslie and Paul chatting away, during which time they mentioned the secret code (DUNH DUNH DUNNNNH!;) for the two way calls. I know. Sloppy, unprofessional, and stupid, but that's the way they work.

So … I redialed. (DUNH DUNH DUNNNNH!;)

Then I listened along quietly until I could take no more.

They repeated the usual lies (the Minneapolis event was a private screening [which was publicly linked on the web, where any idiot could get to it]; their blog was #1 on blogpulse [near as I can tell, it wasn't—it was my exposure of their hypocrisy that was #1]; they didn't lie to get interviews [totally bogus], etc.). They made amusing contradictions. Walt Ruloff first claims that the genesis of the movie was in 2006, when he claims to have started investigating biotechnology and discovered that there are "questions that can't be asked" and that people were suppressing information that called Darwinism into doubt — note, though, that he never stated what those unnameable questions are. A moment later Mark Mathis comes on to say that the subject of the film was a work in progress, that they hadn't settled anything, and that the name wasn't even decided upon. Come on, they registered expelledthemovie.com in early 2007, well before they asked us to be interviewed.

They threw out a bunch of softball questions to Ben Stein: "How can you be so intelligent and question Darwinism", I kid you not.

One good question got through on email: KMOX radio contested the claim that there was no distortion of the interviews of Dawkins and Myers because they surrounded the interviews with film clips of Nazis — I think it's obvious how they were trying to bias the discussion, and I was floored by Stein's reply. He wanted more goose-stepping Nazis all over the place.

Stein just can't get enough Nazis.

Who's fault is it that they're such gauche twits that they can't keep up with atheists? :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,17:08   

Oops! He done it again!

EDIT:  Drat. Beaten by teh witch.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,18:11   

I wonder if that's legally considered phreaking or not. I mean, if someone dials in a minute early and you just outright say the number he goes on to dial ...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,18:59   

Have there been any showings of EXPELLED since Good Thursday?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,19:23   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 28 2008,18:59)
Have there been any showings of EXPELLED since Good Thursday?

Well... if you weren't wasting ALL your time studying, taking tests and doing sciencey stuff, you'd know missy...

Afaik - I think they pulled them all back, and all the "upcoming" screenings are "waitlisted", with dates and locations TBD (To Be Determined... or Thience Be Damned?)

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/special/expelled

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,19:26   

Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 28 2008,18:11)
I wonder if that's legally considered phreaking or not. I mean, if someone dials in a minute early and you just outright say the number he goes on to dial ...


I emailed Ed Brayton about this - he knows a lot of lawyers, but it seems to me that if you have a "secret" and you blab it to the world, you kind of lose credibility
and the right to think it is still a secret.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,20:24   

Expelled advertising? I submit that it's too funny to be creationist-made. No farting noises and so over-the-top it doesn't even seem pro-expelled. Really, a giant robot? It's nuanced enough that it's not preachy, even. Outside work, maybe?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,21:30   

Tard Fight

Don't get carried away dude.  

Sorry I was talking to myself.

God what do you call an aggregation of douchebags?  Anyone?  Bueller?  a discovery of douchebags?

dibs

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,22:35   

Hey, UD was actually useful for something.  Someone there posted a link to an mp3 of the conference call:

http://www.skepchick.org/pzexpelled.mp3

I'm gonna slap a torrent of it up and seed it for a good long while, so get it that way if you wish.  I'm using open trackers currently, and I put up on Sumotracker.  I'd have put it up on piratebay, but it won't let me log in currently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2008,22:43   

Oh, and on sumo, it's named pzkilledtheexpelledstar, so search on that. I'll put it up on a couple others if I can using that name.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,13:53   

It seems the eXpelled folk are so worried about theaters not wanting to show their movie and no one showing up if they do, that they are now asking devotees to "Adopt a Theater"


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,13:55   

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This is a campaign to engage churches, organizations, and anyone else that wants to be a part of this movement to get as many people from their church or organization out to see Ben Stein’s new movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed (opening in theaters April 2008).


Emphasis mine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,14:08   

Expelled: Free publicity for PZ...

http://www.alexa.com/data....=Medium

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,16:46   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 26 2008,20:41)
 
Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,21:34)
Seriously?  The guy had no part in the actual animation in the film. Wow. Just...what the hell? What'll they claim next I wonder: they exposed the Harvard footage to radiation and it evolved?  I really would dearly love to get a hold of the stuff from the film and do a frame by frame comparison to Harvard's.

No, dude did other shit-- he just said he had nothing to do with that particular bit of animation.  'He said.'

Dude appears to be a genuine computer animator, so I believe him.  Copy someone elses shit, and you will never work again, plus I assume there is something about honor in art and being original.

Seems like someone else might have had a hand in this.

Someone with access to people who are not computer animators as artists, but as a, I dunno, computer animators as a mindless computer task.

I dont know who that someone might be...........

Kevin?



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,16:55   

Checking on the expelled site, I note that fifty of their current theaters are in Florida. I believe this means Florida is getting something like 20-25% of the Expelled theaters in the country, as of now. I am certain this is merely a coincidence and has nothing to do with the antievolution legislation currently in play in Florida.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,17:46   

Quidam--

LOOOOOL!!! LUUUUUUUV!!!!

(Im sending that to Harvard, they will lol over it)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,18:01   

Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 29 2008,17:55)
Checking on the expelled site, I note that fifty of their current theaters are in Florida. I believe this means Florida is getting something like 20-25% of the Expelled theaters in the country, as of now. I am certain this is merely a coincidence and has nothing to do with the antievolution legislation currently in play in Florida.

I recounted for all states earlier this afternoon - they're up to 496 theaters. I haven't any idea how this stuff works - isn't getting a bit late to add another 500 theaters?

Check out Texas, which has 60. They know where their audience lives.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2008,20:51   

Quote (Annyday @ Mar. 29 2008,15:55)
Checking on the expelled site, I note that fifty of their current theaters are in Florida. I believe this means Florida is getting something like 20-25% of the Expelled theaters in the country, as of now. I am certain this is merely a coincidence and has nothing to do with the antievolution legislation currently in play in Florida.

Oh, fabulous! Teacher sex scandals rock Florida! :p

And Rich Hughes - good job my warlocky friend. :)

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