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Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,18:59   

Our buddy Kevin comes produces some choice tard:
http://artsandfaith.com/index.p....y156433
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The interesting thing about this debate, Peter, is that the Darwinists are the ones who are desperately trying to link religion to ID, not the IDers. The ID folks are merely saying that ID is friendly to religion in a way that classical Darwinism (a blind, mechanical, purposeless process driven by random mutations and natural selection) is not. Just witness how many Darwinists are writing books about religion while IDers are writing books about science.

my bold.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,19:08   

The formerly lorn and bereft CrossroadsTheMovie.com now has a home, in case anybody wants to put some content there...

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Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,19:49   

Pleasantly surprised by Kevin:
http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwi....ed.html

I also realize my tard quote above was quite old. Well aged, you might say. Apologies for the typo as well.

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,20:01   

DI finally responds.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....fa.html

No unexpected TARD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,20:09   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 21 2008,20:01)
DI finally responds.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....fa.html

No unexpected TARD.

I was just reading that at Bruce Chapman's "blog" (which doesn't allow comments).

I like how following the same procedures as everyone else means that Dawkins "stoops to gate-crashing".

What color is the sky in these people's world?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,20:35   



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,20:45   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 21 2008,20:01)
DI finally responds.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....fa.html

No unexpected TARD.

This is certainly expected, and truly classic, given what happened in Minneapolis.
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I am getting more excited about Expelled myself and can’t wait to see the finished version. I suspect I’ll wish that the film was twice as long and had twice as much from Dawkins, P.Z. Myers, et al. From what I already have seen, they really expose themselves as the anti-intellectual, bullying poseurs they are -- small men who above all are afraid of a fair contest.

- Bruce Chapman


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,20:48   

I do believe I got reply #666.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,21:42   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 21 2008,20:35)

Excellent work midwifetoad... and you know you should explain your moniker, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,22:55   

So, on the Disco website Bruce Chapman writes, regarding the PZ Expelled Incident, that Dawkins didn't have a ticket to see the film.

However, NONE of the attendees had tickets since tickets were not provided nor required.

Bruce Chapman writes that Dawkins wasn't invited, but NONE of the attendees were invited, rather, they signed themselves up.

Since Chapman writes this with the explicit intention to deceive that makes him a liar.  Or is he just dishonest?

Or is it just those whacky creationists putting the best spin possible on a very bad story?

I suggest we get some high school students together, present both sides, and let them decide.

Good idea, Bruce?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,00:34   

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Excellent work midwifetoad... and you know you should explain your moniker, right?


Paul Kammerer

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,01:33   

Oh, I didn't know Bruce Chapman was there! Was he the one wearing a dress? :p
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There is a growing fear by the producers that Darwinists may be trying get into the showings to make bootleg copies (for the Web?), possibly in hopes of damaging the commercial value. Others may be crashing because they want to trash it before it even gets reviewed by the media. P.Z. Myers, who was not let into a showing last night in Minnesota, probably falls in the latter category.

Amazingly, the best selling Oxford scientist/author Richard Dawkins also crashed a showing of Expelled in Minnesota last night and he not only was let in, but introduced at the end of the showing.

Um, he was introduced after he stood up and told everyone that he had been interviewed for the film.
 
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Dawkins, understandably is nervous about this film,

Well, Rev. Barky and I had dinner with him tonight. He was grinning over this pile'o'crap. People have been tee-heeing about it all day. :) What people? Oh, you know, the 500-strong atheist conference that happens to have been scheduled in Minneapolis for this weekend, months before some twit scheduled this supposedly top-secret "no ticket required" screening that was open to everyone who clicked that web link.

Yeah, we scheduled this conference just to conspire against this film, too. And I chose to be born on same day as the NY Times article just to turn the knife. Witches can do that. *Sticks pins in Ben Stein doll*

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,01:51   

Skatje has written a review.
 
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I'm trying very hard to be unbiased, but that's pretty difficult in this situation. Regardless of content, the movie was surprisingly unpolished and cheap-looking. It might be due in part to being unfinished, but how far off can they be when it's released in less than a month? The camera-work was shakey, obnoxious, and they seemed to like to zoom into ultra-close-ups. Ever wonder what's up Dawkins' nose? Here's your chance to find out.

The entire movie was interspliced with stock footage and older movies. A comment from an interview about "Big Science" picking on the little guys would be followed by a 1940's-looking clip of two guys slapping each other. A comment from someone who supposedly lost their job over ID would be followed by a clip from Planet of the Apes, with an ape water-hosing Heston and calling him a freak. While they were obviously trying to be funny, it just got so tiring and distracting.

It started out going one-by-one through the people who've had their jobs affected by their talking about ID. This was also pretty boring. You hear one, you basically hear them all. They asked Michael Shermer what he would say about people losing their jobs because of ID, and he said that as far as he knew, that's never happened, and if it did, it probably involved other factors than just ID. This was basically ignored, and Stein continued to assert that ID was the only reason they were fired.

There was also a part where Stein wandered around Seattle saying "Where is it? Oh, I'll just keep walking. Where is it?" He reaches a building and says "The Discovery Institute must be this entire building." Soon after: "Oh, but it has to be at least one of these floors." But no, it turns out it's only half a floor out of a 20-story building. They also point out the half-dozen people at the office, clearly making the point that IDists are the underdogs when it comes to money. You have to be kidding.

*snip*

Before I'd seen this movie, I was of the opinion that it would be worthwhile to see, but I'd pay money for something else and walk into the "wrong" auditorium. Now I realise that it really wasn't worth the hour-and-a-half of my time. I cannot emphasise how utterly boring this film was. Half of it was annoying clips of people knitting, people making toys, people laying bricks, tanks, Hitler, and people chipping at the Berlin wall. Half of the other half was different people saying the same things.

She forgot a few things...like Ben Stein scratching his back in a classroom with a backscratcher (which produced hysterical giggles from the audience for some reason); Ben Stein interjecting a description from Michael Ruse about the idea of abiogenesis piggybacking off of crystals with a Swami bellowing, "Look into my crystal ball!" (huh?); and that fake "stock footage" of little boys kicking a ball over the Berlin Wall. (Gee, they could walk right up to it and everything! Gosh, this film is so realistic.)

As for Bruce Chapman and his "Dawkins is nervous" spiel, all I can say is, there's another Expelled trailer out there. No link yet. It's pretty funny. :) (You won't believe what those wacky scientists are trying to censor this time!;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,02:02   

Writer of Expelled repents!! Read about it here: www.kevinmillerxi.com.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,02:54   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Mar. 22 2008,02:02)
Writer of Expelled repents!! Read about it here: www.kevinmillerxi.com.

You earn many kudos in my book for the ability to admit mistakes. If you'll just repent your heresies against the One True Church and renounce heliocentrism, we might not even have to burn you! Mutterings of "eppur si muove" need not apply.

Though:

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So if PZ followed the correct procedures, why was he still kicked out? I'll let the producers of Expelled speak to that--which they will do shortly. And trust me, it's not because they were afraid of him.


I don't buy this at all, and I'll believe it when I see it. They might be telling you they've got a good reason and will soon reveal it, but they've failed to do so thus far and have made what looks a lot like lame excuses. I mean, if they did have a good reason, why lie about him "sneaking in without a ticket"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,03:04   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Mar. 22 2008,02:02)
Writer of Expelled repents!! Read about it here: www.kevinmillerxi.com.

Shit. He stole the image I stole fair and square from Expelled. Is there no honor?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,03:30   

Preserved for posterity:


Should put to rest the idea that PZ and Dawkins hacked the RSVP site or "crashed" the event.  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,03:50   

Quote (Reed @ Mar. 22 2008,01:30)

Whoops. Actually, that pictured page just leads "tour" events, and the tour is over.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,07:57   

Quote (tacitus @ Mar. 21 2008,17:15)
   
Quote (1of63 @ Mar. 21 2008,08:05)
Crossroads was also the name of a long-running British TV soap, notable for bad scripts, bad acting, shaky sets and improbable storylines...hmm, that sounds familiar...

Dammit.  I can't get that stupid Crossroads theme tune out of my head now (and it hasn't even been on the telly for 20 years now!).  Thanks a bunch!

Sorry about that.  But for anyone who's curious this is what we're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyIA26sFi_g&feature=related

It was written by songwriter Tony Hatch who later perpetrated the musical atrocity of the theme to the Aussie soap Neighbours

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,08:25   

Expelled! is opening in 1000 theaters on April 18; Time to find a theater, get tickets and avoid those long lines. Off to the theater locator!

Oops...no theaters listed in Ohio.

Oops...no theaters listed in 38 other states. Nor DC.

Oops...98 total theaters listed nationwide: 32 in California, 31 in Florida, 9 in Georgia, a scattering in eight other states.

The others must be located in secret ID labs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,08:26   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 22 2008,00:34)
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Excellent work midwifetoad... and you know you should explain your moniker, right?


Paul Kammerer

Thanks - I thought it would prove to be an intersting story.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,09:52   

If they're really opening on a thousand screens, then there's some serious money behind this movie.  Figure $1500-$2000 per print.  $1500 times 1000 and you're talking $1.5 million bucks!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,10:40   

Well, now they're removing screenings.

Geez. This has really, um, backfired *expel*, hasn't it? :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,11:06   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 22 2008,10:40)
Well, now they're removing screenings.

Geez. This has really, um, backfired *expel*, hasn't it? :)

One can only hope that this is because they (again) failed to get permission to use the XVIVO "Inner Life of a Cell" animation, and Harvard has sent them another cease-and-desist.

:p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,12:19   

In case anyone's wondering and doesn't want to give out their email, here's what you receive when you sign up for their RSVP service:
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Dear Shira Kawasuna,

This is a confirmation of your RSVP for the free "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" movie screening.  Venue information is below.  

Theater: Calvary Chapel of Philadelphia
Calvary Performing Arts Center, 13500 Philmont Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19116

Date: March 28
Time:  9:30 AM

Number of seats reserved: 1

YOUR NAME WILL BE ON A LIST AT THE DOOR. NO TICKET IS NEEDED. IDs WILL BE CHECKED.

NO BAGS, CELL PHONES OR RECORDING DEVICES WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE THEATER. PLEASE LEAVE THEM IN YOUR CAR.

More information about "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" can be found at http://expelledthemovie.com;  http://getexpelled.com

Sincerely,
Motive Entertainement

If you need to cancel or make an important change to an existing RSVP, please email [EMAIL=jessica@motivemarketing.biz.]jessica@motivemarketing.biz.[/EMAIL]  Be sure to reference the screening city, date, and time in your email.


Sorry if this is available elsewhere and if anyone cares, I *did* email them to take me off the list.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,12:25   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 22 2008,08:25)
Expelled! is opening in 1000 theaters on April 18; Time to find a theater, get tickets and avoid those long lines. Off to the theater locator!

Oops...no theaters listed in Ohio.

Oops...no theaters listed in 38 other states. Nor DC.

Oops...98 total theaters listed nationwide: 32 in California, 31 in Florida, 9 in Georgia, a scattering in eight other states.

The others must be located in secret ID labs.



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,12:40   

Poking around the "Expelled" site, I notice that Stein is listing himself with Galileo and Einstein (and Bono, too, for who knows what reason). There's a quote from Galileo:

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Galileo Galilei
Class Clown
“In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”


How apropos, since "intelligent design" creationism seeks to override the humble reasoning of thousands of individuals by the authority of a few individuals.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,13:06   

Ah, so that's how he'll respond to the criticisms that Expelled is badly made.  He'll appeal to its emotional impact: "And yet it moves".

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,14:37   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 22 2008,12:40)
Poking around the "Expelled" site, I notice that Stein is listing himself with Galileo and Einstein (and Bono, too, for who knows what reason). There's a quote from Galileo:

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Galileo Galilei
Class Clown
“In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”


How apropos, since "intelligent design" creationism seeks to override the humble reasoning of thousands of individuals by the authority of a few individuals.

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....ry71870

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2008,15:13   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 21 2008,21:01)
DI finally responds.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....fa.html

No unexpected TARD.

I liked this part:
   
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I have to say something else, personally. I have been sandbagged by one TV and documentary crew after another. So have Discovery-affiliated scientists.

Looks like Chapman recognizes that the movie producers of Expelled have been caught cold lying about the movie name. He's using the "everybody does it" defense.

Edit: "of Expelled"

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