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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,20:36   

Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,20:42   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 22 2007,21:11)
I'll get you, Chatfield.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,20:49   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 22 2007,20:36)
Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

Pfffft. MY book has TWO five-star reviews, 22 used copies, and clocks in at #2,149,716!

Oh wait. Never mind.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,20:51   

ah, is there anything LOLCats can't do.

   
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:15   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 22 2007,20:36)
Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

A five-star review by Lin Shih-Lu in Taipei, Taiwan?  I think not, Dr. Rintoul (if that's really your name).  You wrote this book in 1990 and traveled to Taiwan, where you spent the next 10 years posing as Ms. Shih-Lu, a mild-mannered--but oddly attractive--molecular biology student.  After writing that glowing review, you discarded your identity--as you have with so many others--then moved back to the states.  After making up a story about a fishing accident and a long stint on a desert island, you resumed your life as Dr. Rintoul and have been indoctrinating your students in the ways of Darwin and Satan ever since.

Until now.  I'm hip to your sinister plot, sir, and it ends today.  It's the Big House for you!

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:23   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 22 2007,20:36)
Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

Is this your work, too?

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:34   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 22 2007,21:23)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 22 2007,20:36)
Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

Is this your work, too?

I wish. That David Rintoul has parlayed his acting skills and Scottish accent into a pretty good career on stage and screen; I was first acquainted with his work as Mr. Darcy in a BBC production of Pride and Prejudice. I suspect that we are distantly related, but who knows. It is a fairly common surname in Scotland. In fact, closer to my line of work these days, the first published work on the Birds of Scotland was written by two ladies, one of whom had that surname. I have a copy; alas, it is not autographed!

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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:36   

You guys and your pathetic level of book sales.

I’ll probably write book that outsells you all combined — when I get time off from my scientific research with Reciprocating Bob's Evolutionary Informatics Lab (www.evilutioninfo.org).

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someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:41   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 22 2007,21:36)
You guys and your pathetic level of book sales.

I’ll probably write book that outsells you all combined — when I get time off from my scientific research with Reciprocating Bob's Evolutionary Informatics Lab (www.evilutioninfo.org).

Okay, I'll admit to looking up that link just to see if there was anything there.  Sadly, no.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2007,21:53   

Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 22 2007,22:41)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 22 2007,21:36)
You guys and your pathetic level of book sales.

I’ll probably write book that outsells you all combined — when I get time off from my scientific research with Reciprocating Bob's Evolutionary Informatics Lab (www.evilutioninfo.org).

Okay, I'll admit to looking up that link just to see if there was anything there.  Sadly, no.

They made me move my research to an off campus server. But we're going to revolutionize biology soon as I get around to picking up a router and a couple cables.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,02:07   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 22 2007,20:36)
Just for giggles, I checked to see the status of one of my books on Amazon. Unfortunately they only have the first edition (there was a second edition, really), it is currently ranked at #1,056,389 in sales, and you can get it for as cheaply as $0.35.

But it does have an average of 5 stars (from one reviewer)...

Still and all, I'd like to think that it did a lot more good for the world of science than any of Dembski's efforts  :)

You're more appreciated in the UK - there it's worth at least £1.48.

Bob

EDIT: and it even has a review now!

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dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,03:42   

If you haven't read this review at Amazon, you should.  It sums up the ID vs. science "controversy" beautifully.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,06:03   

On the Pratical Biology (not) thread at UD DaveScot is taking his own sweet time with the answers to the questions he's been asked. I guess he must be consulting with Dr Dr Dr Dembski

Leo asks:            
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Do you have any evidence that this happened, or is this one of those “just so” stories that are so often mocked by most on this site?

DaveScot says          
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Leo asks            
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Is there a single species right now that has this repressed DNA in it? Which one? How have you shown it?

DaveScot says          
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Leo asks            
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What was the environmental trigger? How did it cause these chromosomal rearrangments?

DaveScot says          
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Michael asks            
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At a saltation event, does a new species emerge de novo from an egg/womb/seed?

DaveScot says          
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Michael asks            
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How large a morphological gap to you suppose a saltation can span? New tissues, new organs?

DaveScot says          
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Michael asks            
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Could we artificially trigger a saltation?

DaveScot says        
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Michael asks            
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Any thoughts as to what types of environmental change might trigger saltations and how those changes are communicated to the genome?
   
DaveScot says          
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Michael asks    
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Finally, is the unfolding of the frontloaded genome dependent upon a specific earth history or do you imagine that it was designed with sufficient flexibility to adapt to the exigencies of four billion years of complex interactions between the lithosphere, atmosphere, hydrosphere, and biosphere?  

DaveScot says          
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In the same thread Jerry ironically sums up Davescot's difficult position
       
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People come here thinking it will be easy to put us in our place but no one has done it yet and those who are hostile usually don’t stay long because they get frustrated having to justify their comments when they cannot provide any relevant data or arguments.


Seems like "cannot provide any relevant data or arguments" sums up DaveScot's position in general! Hey DS, don't worry about forgetting about that thread, I'll keep reposting this once in a while to remind everybody how good an explanation ID is for "the same fossil evidence".

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,07:14   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 23 2007,07:03)
On the Pratical Biology (not) thread at UD DaveScot is taking his own sweet time with the answers to the questions he's been asked. I guess he must be consulting with Dr Dr Dr Dembski

Leo asks:              
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Do you have any evidence that this happened, or is this one of those “just so” stories that are so often mocked by most on this site?

DaveScot says            
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Leo asks              
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Is there a single species right now that has this repressed DNA in it? Which one? How have you shown it?

DaveScot says            
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Leo asks              
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What was the environmental trigger? How did it cause these chromosomal rearrangments?

DaveScot says            
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Michael asks              
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At a saltation event, does a new species emerge de novo from an egg/womb/seed?

DaveScot says            
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Michael asks              
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How large a morphological gap to you suppose a saltation can span? New tissues, new organs?

DaveScot says            
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Michael asks              
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Could we artificially trigger a saltation?

DaveScot says          
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Michael asks              
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Any thoughts as to what types of environmental change might trigger saltations and how those changes are communicated to the genome?
   
DaveScot says            
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Michael asks      
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Finally, is the unfolding of the frontloaded genome dependent upon a specific earth history or do you imagine that it was designed with sufficient flexibility to adapt to the exigencies of four billion years of complex interactions between the lithosphere, atmosphere, hydrosphere, and biosphere?  

DaveScot says            
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In the same thread Jerry ironically sums up Davescot's difficult position
         
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People come here thinking it will be easy to put us in our place but no one has done it yet and those who are hostile usually don’t stay long because they get frustrated having to justify their comments when they cannot provide any relevant data or arguments.


Seems like "cannot provide any relevant data or arguments" sums up DaveScot's position in general! Hey DS, don't worry about forgetting about that thread, I'll keep reposting this once in a while to remind everybody how good an explanation ID is for "the same fossil evidence".

Oh, Leo and Michael make it sound so far fetched.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,08:28   

GilDodgen    
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22 December 2007
Darwinist Negative-Review Spam Campaign Backfires at Amazon
GilDodgen
Last week, The Design of Life: Discovering Signs of Intelligence In Biological Systems was in the 17,000-20,000 range at Amazon.com. Since the Darwinist-sponsored negative-review spam campaign (with “reviews” written mostly by people who obviously had not read the book), and as of this writing, the book is sitting at about 3,000...


Amazon.com Sales Rank as of Dec 23: #5,705 in Books

What a difference a day makes.  Some of the responses to Gil's posting seem to understand what's going on:

Hedge 12/22/2007 6:44 pm          
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

russ 12/22/2007 7:10 pm          
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Maybe. But I guess we can’t really know, can we?

I am not a sports fan, so forgive me if I get this wrong. But I remember reading that Kirk Kerkorian made a lot of money off the L.A. Clippers, despite spending very little money on players. It seems that everyone bought tickets to see the OPPOSING teams. Maybe that’s akin to what’s happening here.

Hedge 12/22/2007 7:45 pm      
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Russ said:

“Maybe. But I guess we can’t really know, can we?”

Well, that’s the whole point. Without any evidence showing a causal link between event “A” and event “B”, it’s fallacious to say that one caused the other. Of course, Gil could be right that the negative reviews provoked a flurry of purchases, but it’s not logically sound for him to make this causal claim when all he’s shown thus far is a potential correlation.

greyman 12/23/2007 4:26 am    
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Bragging on 4 digit Amazon sales rankings is kind of a mug’s game. As of this writing DoL is now ranked 5,046 and is being outsold by Dawkins’ God Delusion (PB and HC editions), the Selfish Gene and the 11 year old Blind Watchmaker as well as Victor Stenger’s God: the Failed Hypothesis, Daniel Dennett’s Darwin’s Dangerous Idea and Jean-Baptiste de Panafieu’s Evolution.

Some, not so much:
Nochange 12/22/2007 7:37 pm    
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Hmmm… You don’t suppose it has anything to do with the coming anniversary of our Savior’s birth? I think we shouldn’t give too much credit to the Darwinoids, myself.


Personally, I think these large swings in ranking are due to the very few sales overall.  If you sell one book on Monday and another on Tuesday, that's a 100 percent increase in sales, but not something you'd want to brag about.

  
hooligans



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,11:26   

We have a blue-light special on TARD on aisle 7!

idnet.com.au

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We talk a lot here about Darwin and his theory.

I have used an already condensed version of Darwin’s book to produce an 8 page PDF precis of the famous work. Would anyone be interested in, or strongly object to, my posting a link to it here for comment? Of course it is not even the bare bones of his work but it is an easy to understand introduction.

I have also read Dawkins and the Koran. It is important to know what others think, and what others think we think.


WTF does this have to do with anything. Wow! "I've read Dawkins and the Koran." This sounds like your standard freshman philosophy wannabe spouting off at your local liberal arts college drum circle. "I've also read Dostoevsky. Did you also know I am a vegan-marxist-pacifist. By the way I wrote a book report about Darwin's famous book and got it published online!"

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,12:40   

# 7,001

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,12:53   

Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 23 2007,12:40)
# 7,001

Geez. Waterloo. Blink and you miss it.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,13:26   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 23 2007,12:53)
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 23 2007,12:40)
# 7,001

Geez. Waterloo. Blink and you miss it.

Yeah, Blücher almost had that problem too.

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Touchstone



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,15:59   

O'Leary, at the behest of Dembski, transcribes Beauregard talking to Dennis Prager:

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MARIO BEAUREGARD: Well, the basic theory in our book is that there are many lines of evidence that say that you cannot reduce mind, consciousness, and self to electrical and chemical processes in the brain. For instance, in the case of the placebo effect there is no good solid theory - material theory - in neuroscience that is able to explain this phenomenon because most neuroscientists believe in the central dogma of neuroscience which is that the brain produces the mind through electrical and chemical activity and that the mind does not really exist. It is more like an illusion, if you will, so an illusion cannot exert a significant effect over the electrical and chemical substances in the brain. So in other words they have a lot of trouble to be able to explain something like the placebo effect …


Um, serotonin? You don't even need the pill -- the brain can kick it's own therapies into gear just by adopting a positive, less-stressed disposition. The pill is just useful as a means of fooling yourself into thinking in more healthy ways. Perfectly material, and well understood. Your thoughts *do* affect your physiology, and demonstrably so, through natural processes.

And, why would one suppose the mind *doesn't* exist because it's material? That's precisely backwards, isn't it? Doublethink.

The thing that is most frustrating here is the level of isolation it takes to work this kind of argument. If Beauregard and O'Leary were on a show and presented this argument to someone who had a clue, they'd be absolutely ripped to shreds. Shown to be utter fools. The intellectual COWARDICE of these people...

-TS

(*spits*)

  
Touchstone



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,16:01   

Sorry, link for the above...

-TS

  
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,16:58   

The placebo response she describes is basically classic Pavlovian conditioning, except instead of saliva it releases endorphins, no? Does this imply that every single creature capable of responding to conditioning has a "spiritual brain", or just the ones capable of being conditioned to simulate a hit of a drug?

If the former, sea slugs have souls, and if the latter, mice have souls*. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that. Also, it's not remotely theologically tenable. Saying either species is "spiritual" seems to do some very extreme violence to the word.

Denyse's take on brain plasticity is wrong too, but that's neither here nor there.

*Sea slugs might respond to placebo too, I don't know.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,17:10   

Quote (Touchstone @ Dec. 23 2007,15:59)
O'Leary, at the behest of Dembski, transcribes Beauregard talking to Dennis Prager:

RB, Altabin and I had some fun with that interview when it first came out.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,17:44   

It strikes me that all of the questions raised by phenomena such as the placebo effect are moved closer to solution upon recognizing that subjective experiences are wholly grounded in, and are a function of, neurobiology. I just don't get what Denyse et. al. thinks that postulating a "soul" or "mind" independent of the brain and body solves. In fact, it creates far more problems than it solves, and the problems raised by postulating soul, in contrast with the problems we have now, seem inherently insoluble.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,18:00   

ERV is working up another post on Dembski and the Harvard/XVIVO video. It turns out that Dembski's "bullet-proof" text in "The Design of Life" includes a URL to the original video at Harvard, and gives a "last accessed" date that is months prior to the OU talk date.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,18:20   

Kairosfocus is a tard.

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John Kwok, NY — a sadly familiar name. He starts by favourably citing the infamous decision by Judge “Copycat” Jones, apparently not realising that this thinly disguised ACLU screed based on Forrest’s slanders, out right falsehoods and errors, as well as misrepresentations, is its own indictment


sadly, check.

misunderstanding of judicial proceedings, check.

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He then proceeds to give his side of personal exchanges with WD etc, and tries to imply that Dr Dembski doesn’t understand statistics. [As in: what are the confidence limits on the EF? Mr Kwok, I would think that the UPB has long since shown the edge of chance for cases of functionally specified complex information. Why not try out my always linked, App 1 section 6 for a discussion on what it means based on basic statistical thermodynamics principles?]


Always linked, check.

obfuscation around the issue in point (no confidence interval around the EF), check.

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In short, this is a case of unjustified personal attack, propagation of what Mr Kwok should know is blatant and slanderous misrepresentation and associated tyrannical miscarriage of justice carried out in the teeth of easily accessible facts to the contrary, AND it is coming from a Judge who under the US Constitution as properly understood, simply has not got jurisdiction on what he claims to be ruling on.

It is certainly NOT a well-structured, fair minded book review.


unjustified, check.  

words on words harrumphing and self-congratulatory lyrical masturbation, check.

giving 'fairmindedness' too much credit, check.

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Those who are so uncivil that they can’t see why, are telling us a lot about themselves.

Not to mention, also about why it would be dangerous to give such evo mat- driven secularists further power over the public square and key science, education and governmental institutions.


uncivility, check.

evo-mat, check.

christian dominionist/reconstructionist language, check.

Who is this douchebag?  I don't think anyone could channel this level of tard through a puppet.  His 'always linked' is a morass of presuppositional stupidity and ontological affirming the consequent.  Salem's law, again (although he used to call himself a physicist.... getawitness got him to admit that he had an M.S. and did not work as a physicist.  But you know, at UD, credentials are sooooooo overrated.  As Atom recently said in another thread, all UD regulars know Darwin's theory inside-out).

What a tard.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,18:29   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 23 2007,18:00)
ERV is working up another post on Dembski and the Harvard/XVIVO video. It turns out that Dembski's "bullet-proof" text in "The Design of Life" includes a URL to the original video at Harvard, and gives a "last accessed" date that is months prior to the OU talk date.

IDers have an amazing tolerance for cognitive dissonance (think Dembski, Cordova, GilDodgen and DaveScot).  How do they do it?

How can Dembski reconcile his smug piety with his flagrant dishonesty?  Is it simply a matter of the ends justifying the means in his warped universe?  What am I missing here?

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,19:08   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 23 2007,16:00)
ERV is working up another post on Dembski and the Harvard/XVIVO video. It turns out that Dembski's "bullet-proof" text in "The Design of Life" includes a URL to the original video at Harvard, and gives a "last accessed" date that is months prior to the OU talk date.

That is too fine!

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,19:14   

I Like how idnet's version of The Origin of Species has many Arbitrarily capitalized Words. It certainly helps to Emphasize the primarily Religious nature of Darwin's teachings, and makes him Sound like a latter-day William Blake, full of Heresy and Madness.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2007,19:26   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 23 2007,18:00)
ERV is working up another post on Dembski and the Harvard/XVIVO video. It turns out that Dembski's "bullet-proof" text in "The Design of Life" includes a URL to the original video at Harvard, and gives a "last accessed" date that is months prior to the OU talk date.

Theres even more now, but its not really my doing-- I bow to the skills of The Masters.  I promise it'll be up <24 hours!


Also, I caught a live one at Amazon.  Ewert has to be a UD commenter.  Front loading?  
Uh huh.

  
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