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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,18:00   

Quote (stevestory @ April 03 2007,17:46)
 
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I don't think that it is dishonest to not know why something like "SLoT disproves evolution" is a stupid argument. I do think it is dishonest to just repeat ID memes and not ask the hard questions of yourselves.

Michael

I wouldn't say it's dishonest. I think if you see Philip Johnson, a retired lawyer who's never calculated (delta)S once in his entire life, and he claims that all the scientists in the world are wrong about SLoT, I think if you see that and it doesn't immediately occur to you that Philip Johnson probably has no idea what he's talking about, you're not so much dishonest, it's just that for whatever reason you don't have the brains god gave a goose.

For me it's the "and now what" factor.
Electromagnetism and electricity discovered? Check
And now we've got tv, computers, modern world.

SloT disproves evolution? Ok, accepted for purposes of argument.
So now what? What ya got instead? How do you explain evolution/Slot and with a pathetic level of detail please!

ID proves designer designed? Hum, ok.
And what changes? ID only claims to "Detect design" remember (well, depends on who you ask really!). It's a simple yes.no. Does not move things on much really!

Self replicating machines become self aware? Erk!
I welcome our new nano-bot masters with open arms!

Before the internet I expect the only place with the levels of concentration of  irrational people we see at UD were asylums!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,18:26   

Since our moderation policy here was attacked recently, I'll point out that in 9 months as moderator, I have banned as many people as Davetard banned yesterday.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,18:30   

Quote (stevestory @ April 03 2007,18:26)
Since our moderation policy here was attacked recently, I'll point out that in 9 months as moderator, I have banned as many people as Davetard banned yesterday.

Fascist!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,19:21   

Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Thanks for the update, but science is all about hypothesis and observation.

Hypothesis:  On diet to slim down

Observation:



Conclusion:  Perfect match for DaveTard and/or Family Size bag of Cheesy Poofs

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,19:40   

Your a cruel cruel caveman caveman.

Ftk good luck with the threats and boasts, the more the better are you sure you're not ...er gay? a homo? er a dyke no no no a lickalottapussie .....F%ck..a boy  ambidexterous?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,19:40   

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A good example is the PT detailed take down of Well's book.

I'm sure you meant Wells's or Wells'.

Written language has never been my strong suite

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,20:08   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 03 2007,17:52)
Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Photos, please.

I'm already on record as saying I'd "do" Ann Coulter, so I have no problem sleeping with the enemy. . . . .

This is actually starting to look like some kind of fetish of yours, Lenny...

Well, that and that whole reptile thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,20:40   

Another rebuttal to her bullshit for FTK to ignore:

 
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FTK - have you considered that the 130+ people who left comments are not a representative sample of the population of planet earth, or of the USA?
Ballpark figures here:
Atheists comprise approximately 10% of the US population. And yet over 50% of the US population accepts the theory of evolution. Call it fifty. Let's see then, if we assume that all atheists accept evolution, that means that 44% of American non-atheists accept evolution. Hand-in-hand? I don't think so.
Geez. Use your head. My brother's gecko could have figured this out.
Posted by: Kseniya | April 3, 2007 05:29 PM


Or you can flip it around, and assume FTK was sharing with us the profound insight that the nonreligious tend *not* to Creationists. Brilliant.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:17   

reposted from Pharyngula:

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Interesting that most of the comments on this thread are from atheists. Evolution...atheism. The two *always* seem to kinda go hand in hand, no? If ya don't like the god thing, you've obviously gotta hang with the evolutionists regardless of whether they're right or not.

Of course, you'll always have a few like Humburg to parade around.

Posted by: Forthekids | April 3, 2007 04:27 PM |


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Forthekids, please learn how to count. Your comment was number 123. There were 122 comments before you. Those 122 comments came from about 119 different people. Of them, even if you include the buddhist as an atheist, only 55 identified as atheists. 55 of 119 is 46%, Therefore, you were wrong to say "most of the comments on this thread are from atheists."

Posted by: steve s | April 3, 2007 10:15 PM |


The atheists, in case anybody wants to check behind me, were Nicole the Wonder Nerd
Azkyroth
Flex
Eamon Knight
Dianne
Beren
Bob
Millimeter Wave
Dr. Frank
Amenhotep
Paul
thwaite
Grimmstail
Sanguinity
John
Speedwell
Mark UK
Dan
Richard Uhrich
Simon
Jujuquisp
Woodwose
Sciencebreath
Ha Milton
wjv
Steve Smith
Fatboy
Andre Izecson
xebecs
N
Keanus
Richard Harris, FCD
Brian
Berlzebub
Ros
Commissarjs
Brock Tice
clevo
ZacharySmith
Richard
kemibe
Paul
josh
Jane E Valentine, F.C.D.
Alex
marijane
Captured Shadow
rmhj
Bossy Joe
Richard(re his dad)
Martin C
Thickslab
Margaret
James Orpin
Carolyn

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:20   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 03 2007,17:58)
Photos, please.

I'm already on record as saying I'd "do" Ann Coulter, so I have no problem sleeping with the enemy. . . . .[/quote]
Proof that no bible = no morality.


*Hides Grandma*

Sorry, when it comes to a conflict between the wee-wee and the noggin, the wee-wee wins every time.

I was designed that way.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:24   

Quote (stevestory @ April 04 2007,10:46)
Quote (bystander @ April 03 2007,17:54)
I don't think that it is dishonest to not know why something like "SLoT disproves evolution" is a stupid argument. I do think it is dishonest to just repeat ID memes and not ask the hard questions of yourselves.

Michael

I wouldn't say it's dishonest. I think if you see Philip Johnson, a retired lawyer who's never calculated (delta)S once in his entire life, and he claims that all the scientists in the world are wrong about SLoT, I think if you see that and it doesn't immediately occur to you that Philip Johnson probably has no idea what he's talking about, you're not so much dishonest, it's just that for whatever reason you don't have the brains god gave a goose.

I think that it is dishonest stupidity is not an excuse. If you support the minority position and blog on it, it is your responsibility to ensure that your side covers all of the bases. We see EF, NFL, SLoT and the rest of the Creationist cannards being brought up again and again without the criticisms being addressed. When a substantial (substantial in the number of pages not content) piece of creationist/ID work is produced the PT crowd will fisk it in no time flat. Isn't it dishonest of the ID to only pick and choose to what they respond. Isn't it dishonest of the people like FtK to not take them to task for not responding.

Michael

- I personally think that there is nothing wrong in a non-expert questioning an expert but you do have to listen to the answer.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:28   

An interesting comment on that Pharyngula thread

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I don't think my comment will be seen by many, but here goes...
I am an MD and a neurologist. I am appalled by Michael Egnor.
As a brain surgeon, he should know better than anyone how awful a job the ventricular system of the brain is. The Aqueduct of Sylvius, through which all the spinal fluid flows, is thin as a hair. Not surprisingly it often clogs, messing up the function of the whole brain(I won't even venture a guess how many such cases he must have seen in his career). If a human engineer built something like this he would get fired on the spot.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN!

Posted by: mndarwinist | April 3, 2007 09:21 PM |


I was reading at a coffeeshop in Chapel Hill when a friend of mine came in with a 13 year old girl. My friend had been hired to help the girl with homework and such. The girl was adorable and friendly, but she had a really annoying, kind of 5-year-old way of talking. I asked my friend if there was something wrong, and she said that the girl had been born with some kind of clog in this spinal cord duct, and she had numerous developmental disabilities as a result.

Really intelligent design, huh.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:29   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 03 2007,20:40)
Atheists comprise approximately 10% of the US population. And yet over 50% of the US population accepts the theory of evolution. Call it fifty. Let's see then, if we assume that all atheists accept evolution, that means that 44% of American non-atheists accept evolution. Hand-in-hand? I don't think so.
Geez. Use your head. My brother's gecko could have figured this out.

Ironically enough, it was a very similar observation on my part that played a part in PZ getting all pissed off at me over at PT . . . . . .

If we need at least half the population to win a political fight, and if at least two out of every three of that half of the population are theists, then it would seem that we, uh, need the political support of those theists to win.  And screaming "religion is stupid!!!!" at them at every opportunity, probably isn't going to, um, do anything useful to gain that political support.

I bet even a gecko could figure that out.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:44   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 03 2007,15:49)
Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Steve Story and I are both north of 6'2....

Actually I'm only 6'.

Wouldn't be much good in a fight at the moment. One good shot to the liver and I'd crumble like feta chese.

FtK said:

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I'm a 5'10" blond.
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Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  


If it's reasonable for FtK to think of us as stereotypical scientists, I suppose it's reasonable for us to think of her as a stereotypical blonde, isn't it?

Works for me.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,21:47   

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This is actually starting to look like some kind of fetish of yours, Lenny...

Well, that and that whole reptile thing.

Well, ya know, I guess I just have a soft spot in my heart for scaley cold-blooded unfeeling unemotional creatures, like, uh, snakes and fundies.

:)


Actually, since my teen days, I always considered a conservative religious girl a good score ---- several of my early girlfriends were church girls (my father was a Nazarene minister at the time).  So uptight and so repressed, but once that repression fell away, oooooh la la . . . . . . . .

They were also pretty easy marks, since church doctrine taught that holding a sin in your heart was just as bad as acting it out in reality . . . So I'd say to her, "Surely you must at least have THOUGHT about what it would be like to, uh, ya know, do it" . .  and when she tentatively replied, "Well, yes . . . ", then the deal-closer was "Well then heck, you've already sinned in your heart, so what difference does it make anymore if you go ahead and do it -- you already need forgiving anyway, right?"

Worked every time.

(big fat evil grin)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,23:00   

Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Awesome!  We have the female version of DaveTard.  Threatening violence in response reasoned argument....  That's awesome!

You know, she only lives about 2.5 hours away from me; I should visit her as well as the Tardmeister.  Same deal, if she wants to discuss science and education, great...or she can pick the weapons (Dave chose chainsaws).

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,00:34   

Quote (blipey @ April 03 2007,23:00)
Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Awesome!  We have the female version of DaveTard.  Threatening violence in response reasoned argument....  That's awesome!

You know, she only lives about 2.5 hours away from me; I should visit her as well as the Tardmeister.  Same deal, if she wants to discuss science and education, great...or she can pick the weapons (Dave chose chainsaws).

Hmmm. I read that differently. Maybe lenny's getting to me.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,06:51   

Hey FTK,

I still want to discuss science with you if you are up for it. My question was perhaps a little unfair, I was being slightly cheeky I admit. How about you pick a topic and we can discuss it? Sound fair? If it's outside my expertise (and a lot is) I'll happily admit it and try to find you someone who can give better info than I can.

Please discuss the science FTK and ignore the banter. After all you've posted to this thread since I posted my request to discuss the science, and yet you haven't started any scientific discussion at all. It's possible you missed my post, so I'm restating my offer.

Louis

P.S. Please refrain from silly stereotypical nonsense like "all science types are weak little nerds", I would hope that as you are a serious person here to discuss serious science you wouldn't need to resort to such cheap tactics.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,06:58   

Albatrossity2,

Yeah when one has all the answers already it is kinda hard to have a discussion. But I'm an optimist. I live in hope!

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Lenny,

There's nothing like a good bit of repression and guilt to get the juices flowing. It's like Woody Allen said "Is sex dirty? Sure, but only if you do it right!".

I think it's a testament to just how fucked up we are as a species that the most enjoyable life affirming act we can commit is regarded as "dirty". Not only that a huge number of people get more excited the more "dirty" they think it is!

Weird.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,07:21   

"I'm already on record as saying I'd "do" Ann Coulter, so I have no problem sleeping with the enemy. . . . . "

Oh, Lenny!  Have some standards, please!  :(

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,08:40   

I suspect that Lenny et al. have given FtK plenty of ammunition so that she can now focus on how "offensive" we all are, and thus continue to ignore any and all substantive discussion of science. Even on her own blog it was hard to keep her on track; as is typical of the ID/creationists she would focus on some small detail, comment on that extensively , and repeatedly ignore the bigger questions about the science and/or her lack of understanding about reality. Sometimes she would even start two or three new threads with a new blog post, apparently in the vain hope that I would forget about the old outstanding questions that she was ignoring. With all of the comments here about body shapes and sizes, even if she shows up here again, there is no chance that she will even mention science.

But all of this attention has had some good effects; she is apparently so busy reading here and commenting elsewhere that she is ignoring her own blog. Nothing "new" has appeared there in a couple of days. Or maybe Luskin and Egnor haven't posted on ENV (gotta love that acronym!) for a couple of days...

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,10:02   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 04 2007,08:40)
But all of this attention has had some good effects; she is apparently so busy reading here and commenting elsewhere that she is ignoring her own blog. Nothing "new" has appeared there in a couple of days. Or maybe Luskin and Egnor haven't posted on ENV (gotta love that acronym!) for a couple of days...

Well, now that the Antichrist PZ Myers has now devoted a whole thread to uh, honoring Mommy FTK, we can expect her to get even busier today.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,11:48   

Arden,

Perhaps they are wise words. It really doesn't take a genius to understand the very basics of any topic. Which immediately  begs the question as to why Behe, Dembski, Berlinski....allllll the way down the educational line to DaveScott, O'Brien, and FTK etc simply don't.

One would have thought that such a "damning indictment" would, if true of all biology (which let's be honest it ain't), demonstrate a fortiori that the aforementioned ID|Cists were morons of the first stripe.

Is there no end to the dumb these people exhibit?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:01   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 04 2007,10:49)
Writing in Latin doesn't make you sound any smarter, Robert.

Writing in any language does not make you sound smart, Arden.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:15   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 04 2007,19:01)
Writing in any language does not make you sound smart, Arden.

Ooooooooh! Handbag!

Saucer of milk for one. Etc.

Any substantive comment to make Robert? Anything? Anything at all? Just more of your usual asinine one liners from a mind as shallow as a puddle of dried spit then? Thought so.

Will someone wake me up when these dishonest, pig ignorant ID creationists-masquerading-scientists actually do something interesting and significant?

On that subject: FTK, any science you want to discuss or is Albatrossity2 correct in his estimation?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:24   

Quote (Louis @ April 04 2007,12:15)
Ooooooooh! Handbag!

Saucer of milk for one. Etc.

Any substantive comment to make Robert? Anything? Anything at all?

...

Louis

I agree with FtK that the learning curve for biology is not nearly as steep as the physical or mathematical sciences.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:28   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 04 2007,12:24)
Quote (Louis @ April 04 2007,12:15)
Ooooooooh! Handbag!

Saucer of milk for one. Etc.

Any substantive comment to make Robert? Anything? Anything at all?

...

Louis

I agree with FtK that the learning curve for biology is not nearly as steep as the physical or mathematical sciences.

Apart from the parts of biology that contain math and physics..

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:33   

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I agree with FtK that the learning curve for biology is not nearly as steep as the physical or mathematical sciences.

Of course you do. I also believe that you will defend that position just as efectively as ftk did (no more-no less).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,12:46   

And on what basis do you or FTK make such a claim?

You do realise that simple reiteration of your claim in English doesn't constitute evidence don't you?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2007,15:32   

By the way, many of the things I'm moving from here to the Bathroom Wall don't violate any rules, I'm moving them to keep them in context with some posts which do.

   
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