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Posted by: stevestory on April 23 2006,10:35

May I direct your attention to < Unintelligent Reasoning >, a fairly new blog by the Uncommonly Dense poster known as Joseph.



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Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning.

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They can't publish a theory to save their lives, but those IDiots sure can blog.
Posted by: Dante on April 23 2006,12:26

IR is more annoying than funny.

It needs a dose of Cordova.
Posted by: stevestory on April 23 2006,12:42

where does Salvador blog, anyway?
Posted by: C.J.O'Brien on April 23 2006,12:48

Seriously. That guy is like a broken record. I think there's one quotation he uses THREE TIMES on that one page.

He posts at Kansas Citizens for Science sometimes (< KCFS >, where, btw, I post as "Connor J"), and he's a grade-A jerk, in addition to being utterly clueless. Suffice it to say, he has a deep problem with the concept of 'burden of proof.' He knows one thing about it: it's never on him.
Posted by: C.J.O'Brien on April 23 2006,12:50

Re: where does Salvador blog, anyway?

steve, I don't think Sal has a blog. But his spew can frequently be found (if you can stand the smell) at ARN.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 22 2009,19:06

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008/12/csi-of-baseball.html >
Posted by: FrankH on Mar. 22 2009,19:46

Scary, very scary:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....7&pli=1 >

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Joe G said...

Dazza McTrazza looking to find an argument

But anyway it's too late. I am already on the school committee.

Also next month I will be presenting "Intelligent Design Awareness Day" to 8th and 9th graders.

That was helped along by "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed".

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Those poor, poor kids.
Posted by: csadams on Mar. 22 2009,20:16

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 22 2009,19:46)
Scary, very scary:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....7&pli=1 >  

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Joe G said...

Dazza McTrazza looking to find an argument

But anyway it's too late. I am already on the school committee.

Also next month I will be presenting "Intelligent Design Awareness Day" to 8th and 9th graders.

That was helped along by "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed".

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Those poor, poor kids.
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I bet there are some parents in that school district who'd object if they knew about it.  The local newspapers might be interested, too.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 22 2009,23:11

I wonder if one of the reporters at the local papers would be interested in the threatening rhetoric spouted by a school committee member?

I'm sure that cires of "persecution!" would follow, but really, isn't it just seeking to spread the IDC message of respect and charity in communication to pass it on to the paper?
Posted by: FrankH on Mar. 23 2009,06:29

Where does this old boy live?

I'd be happy to take it to the papers there or better yet if he lived around Raleigh.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,08:55

Mwuahahahah!

Joe has measured the CSI of a cake. NOT!

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....1061841 >



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At 7:48 AM,  Joe G said…

Measuring the CSI of a cake:

Given the following recipe:

• 1 cup cornmeal
• 3 cups all-purpose flour
• 1 1/3 cups white sugar
• 2 tablespoons baking powder
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2/3 cup vegetable oil
• 1/3 cup melted butter
• 2 tablespoons honey
• 4 eggs, beaten
• 2 1/2 cups whole milk
• Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
• Stir together the cornmeal, flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt in a mixing bowl. Pour in the vegetable oil, melted butter, honey, beaten eggs, and milk, and stir just to moisten.
• Pour the batter into the prepared baking dish and bake in the preheated oven for 45 minutes, until the top of the cornbread starts to brown and show cracks.

A simple character count reveals there are over 650 characters.

Therefor the minimum information that cake will contain is just over 650 bits if each character is a bit.

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Wow - 'the complete works of shakespear' can't have much information in it.
Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on Mar. 23 2009,09:06

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 23 2009,07:29)
Where does this old boy live?

I'd be happy to take it to the papers there or better yet if he lived around Raleigh.
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IIRC Joe lives in or around Manchester, NH.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,09:37

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406 >



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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins

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Posted by: keiths on Mar. 23 2009,09:40

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,06:55)
Mwuahahahah!

Joe has measured the CSI of a cake. NOT!

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....1061841 >



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At 7:48 AM,  Joe G said…

Measuring the CSI of a cake:

Given the following recipe:

• 1 cup cornmeal
• 3 cups all-purpose flour
• 1 1/3 cups white sugar
• 2 tablespoons baking powder
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2/3 cup vegetable oil
• 1/3 cup melted butter
• 2 tablespoons honey
• 4 eggs, beaten
• 2 1/2 cups whole milk
• Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
• Stir together the cornmeal, flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt in a mixing bowl. Pour in the vegetable oil, melted butter, honey, beaten eggs, and milk, and stir just to moisten.
• Pour the batter into the prepared baking dish and bake in the preheated oven for 45 minutes, until the top of the cornbread starts to brown and show cracks.

A simple character count reveals there are over 650 characters.

Therefor the minimum information that cake will contain is just over 650 bits if each character is a bit.

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Holy crap.  That boy is dumber than hog snot.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 23 2009,09:47

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,09:37)
< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406 >



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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins

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that gets you a naked full frontal man hug from Clive....

just to be consistent.
Posted by: FrankH on Mar. 23 2009,09:55

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 23 2009,09:47)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,09:37)
< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406 >

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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins

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that gets you a naked full frontal man hug from Clive....

just to be consistent.
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That is a vision I did not need!
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,10:03

Aw, he's closed comments. What a coward!
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,10:12

Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.


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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,10:14

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,10:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
 

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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
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Tarden isn't.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,10:48

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,10:14)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,10:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
   

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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
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Tarden isn't.
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So when did you stop < beating cake batter >? :p Cake batter-er!
Posted by: Quidam on Mar. 23 2009,11:09



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So if you really wanted to know the SI of a baseball all you have to do is to figure out how to make one, write down the instructions, and count the bits.
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What is the CSI of this snowflake?



The BOM is easy: 1mg water

Now to make it all you need is a precise log of the path it took through the cloud, the temperature of the cloud at each point in the path and the electrical potential.

Of course to properly count the bits, we also have to define a gram, temperature and voltage.  Not to mention a control system to accurately steer the snowflake to the right place at the right time.

Clearly considerably more than  500 bits of information is required to define the manufacture of a snowflake.  Therefore a snowflake clearly possesses CSI and each is therefore intelligently designed.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,11:11

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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

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Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 23 2009,11:19

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:11)
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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

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Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,11:27

< Oh, dear. >
   

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So this is how I envision DNA- both sides of the ladder carry redundant information. One side does the work, that is transfers programming data to other molecules it contacts (mRNA for example) and the other side is a template for DNA replication.

Once DNA replication is complete the program is transferred to the newly constructed side via the hydrogen bonds that connect the two sides.

When other molecules are made- mRNA for example- they are given their instructions via the same hydrogen bonds. That information consists of editing instructions, as well as configuraion/ assembly instructions and destination instructions.

These instructions are not the sequence, rather they are embedded on the sequence, just as computer data is embedded on the disk.
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Um... is he saying (I'm not sure what he's saying) that the two nucleotides in the base pairs are always alike? They're complementary, yes... "Instructions via the hydrogen bonds"? What?

"Embedded on the sequence"? Just as on a disk? What the hay is he talking about? Instructions embedded on the DNA nucleotides? I don't think so.

Both the leading and the lagging strands are replicated, not just one. What "program" is "transferred"? *Brainfahrt*
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,11:28

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 23 2009,11:19)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:11)
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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

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Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.
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He's just gone on a posting spree, so I doubt it.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 23 2009,11:33

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:28)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 23 2009,11:19)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:11)
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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

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Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.
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He's just gone on a posting spree, so I doubt it.
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I am shocked that Clive would allow such a blatant challenge to his authority to go unanswered for so long.  I mean, there is no question that Reciprocating Bill could be snarky when referencing UD, but Joseph is downright profane.  The only possible explanation is that Clive is tending to his day job and will get around to banning Joseph after the workday is over.  That must be it.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,11:36

Joe is an IDist, so that would be censorship. RB is a rational, so he's just asking for it.
Posted by: JonF on Mar. 23 2009,11:37

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,11:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
 

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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
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Um, until recently a character in computer storage took a byte (eight bits). Nowadays many programs store each character in two bytes, using Unicode, which allows many more characters (e.g. Arabic, ...). Neither scheme stores formatting.

Of course, it's even worse for Joe. He forgot to define what a cup is, what a degree F is, what corn meal is, what flour is, what a minute is, ... all that is information required to make cornbread.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 23 2009,11:43

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:36)
Joe is an IDist, so that would be censorship. RB is a rational, so he's just asking for it.
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No, Richard, you are wrong. Clive has a transcendental, objective moral code that would not allow such inconsistent treatment.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,12:02

Quote (JonF @ Mar. 23 2009,11:37)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,11:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
     

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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
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Um, until recently a character in computer storage took a byte (eight bits). Nowadays many programs store each character in two bytes, using Unicode, which allows many more characters (e.g. Arabic, ...). Neither scheme stores formatting.

Of course, it's even worse for Joe. He forgot to define what a cup is, what a degree F is, what corn meal is, what flour is, what a minute is, ... all that is information required to make cornbread.
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Oops, you're right, it's byte (gaaa). Thank you. As for the formatting, I got that from some professor... Eek. *Blush* Oh well, if one never says anything stupid, one doesn't learn anything. :)
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 23 2009,13:41

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 23 2009,11:43)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:36)
Joe is an IDist, so that would be censorship. RB is a rational, so he's just asking for it.
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No, Richard, you are wrong. Clive has a transcendental, objective moral code that would not allow such inconsistent treatment.
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and that code appears to involve a secret taste for full frontal butt nekkid man hugs.

anyone know how to get in touch with Jive Clive Turkey?  I have no puppets but sweet jumped up Esther Naomi and Ruth I would love to see that stuff get linked on UD.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,15:28

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Joe G said...
Richie Clive doesn't like bad language on the blog he moderates nor any bad language towards its contributors.

I am sure he is OK with me dealing with the trash in my way on my blog.

As for re-opening- Nope you have already proven to be a total asshole on that one.

However I will open a new thread discussing how to measure- MEASURE- information in a designed object.

That said seeing that you think a baseball and a cake can arise without information I am sure you will butcher any/ all efforts put forth.

It's what you do.

It's all you do.

It is all you have.

Ya see if you had something to support your position you would have brought it up in the threads I have dealing with biology.

Yet your comments are noticeably absent- pretty much like your mind.

AtBC:

Another tired Baby Crying.

4:04 PM

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Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,16:06

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,15:28)
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Joe G said...
Richie Clive doesn't like bad language on the blog he moderates nor any bad language towards its contributors.

I am sure he is OK with me dealing with the trash in my way on my blog.

As for re-opening- Nope you have already proven to be a total asshole on that one.

However I will open a new thread discussing how to measure- MEASURE- information in a designed object.

That said seeing that you think a baseball and a cake can arise without information I am sure you will butcher any/ all efforts put forth.

It's what you do.

It's all you do.

It is all you have.

Ya see if you had something to support your position you would have brought it up in the threads I have dealing with biology.

Yet your comments are noticeably absent- pretty much like your mind.

AtBC:

Another tired Baby Crying.

4:04 PM

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Change "bits" to "bytes" and < Answer the Banned Comment >, Joseph!
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 23 2009,16:13

Who is John Galt Joe G? Own up!
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 23 2009,16:38

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If Joe G would < Go Galt >, we'd all be better off.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Mar. 23 2009,18:15

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I mean, there is no question that Reciprocating Bill could be snarky when referencing UD...
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God, I hope not.
Posted by: Richard Simons on Mar. 23 2009,18:51

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,08:55)
Joe has measured the CSI of a cake. NOT!

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....1061841 >

 

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At 7:48 AM,  Joe G said…

Measuring the CSI of a cake:

Given the following recipe:

• 1 cup cornmeal
• 3 cups all-purpose flour
• 1 1/3 cups white sugar
• 2 tablespoons baking powder
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2/3 cup vegetable oil
• 1/3 cup melted butter
• 2 tablespoons honey
• 4 eggs, beaten
• 2 1/2 cups whole milk
• Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
• Stir together the cornmeal, flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt in a mixing bowl. Pour in the vegetable oil, melted butter, honey, beaten eggs, and milk, and stir just to moisten.
• Pour the batter into the prepared baking dish and bake in the preheated oven for 45 minutes, until the top of the cornbread starts to brown and show cracks.

A simple character count reveals there are over 650 characters.

Therefor the minimum information that cake will contain is just over 650 bits if each character is a bit.

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Interesting that changing the language of a description alters the CSI of an object.
Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 23 2009,21:39



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Interesting that changing the language of a description alters the CSI of an object.
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Well, maybe CSI is a an attribute that can only be measured relative to that of something else?

No wait, that won't work, since in one language A might have the longer description but in another B might be the harder to describe.

Never mind.

Henry
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 23 2009,23:26

What if you bake a baseball in the cake...?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 24 2009,00:02

What if before you bake the cake, you use the flour to spell out METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL.  When you mix it all back up again where does the information go?

How much more information is in that sweater NOW, compared to the sweater that he took off the rack and brought home from the christian ministries junk store?  

is there more information in the arrowhead a feller found this afternoon on the river bank, or one that some dude carves on his backporch with a dremel tool and sells to tourists?  because I wanna know.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 24 2009,00:09

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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

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<sniffle> <boo hoo hoo>



What a TARD.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 24 2009,00:26

Hey Joe you want a spliff?



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Yeah right,

So what should we bring ?



or



or


Quick everyone TO JOE'S LAB....



Posted by: Louis on Mar. 24 2009,07:03

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,18:02)
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Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,11:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
       

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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?
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Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.
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Um, until recently a character in computer storage took a byte (eight bits). Nowadays many programs store each character in two bytes, using Unicode, which allows many more characters (e.g. Arabic, ...). Neither scheme stores formatting.

Of course, it's even worse for Joe. He forgot to define what a cup is, what a degree F is, what corn meal is, what flour is, what a minute is, ... all that is information required to make cornbread.
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Oops, you're right, it's byte (gaaa). Thank you. As for the formatting, I got that from some professor... Eek. *Blush* Oh well, if one never says anything stupid, one doesn't learn anything. :)
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Crikey! I must be the smartest person alive!

;-)

Louis
Posted by: Spottedwind on Mar. 24 2009,07:09

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,13:02)
Oops, you're right, it's byte (gaaa). Thank you. As for the formatting, I got that from some professor... Eek. *Blush* Oh well, if one never says anything stupid, one doesn't learn anything. :)
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Don't you know how this works Kristine?

You are supposed to deny, deflect, and dissemble about any supposed mistake.  You didn't even lash out.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you'll never make it at UD.  :angry:
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 24 2009,08:43

More from the demented cheerleader:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ed.html >



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Measuring Information/ specified complexity
When discussing information some people want to know how much information does something contain?

If it is something straight-forward such as a definition, we can count the number of bits in that definition to find out how much information it contains.

For example:

aardvark: a large burrowing nocturnal mammal (Orycteropus afer) of sub-Saharan Africa that has a long snout, extensible tongue, powerful claws, large ears, and heavy tail and feeds especially on termites and ants


A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

Now what do we do when all we have is an object?

One way of figuring out how much information it contains is to figure out how (the simplest way) to make it.

Then you write down the procedure without wasting words/ characters and count those bits.

That will give you an idea of the minimal information it contains.

I say that because all the information that goes into making something is therefor contained by it.

And if you already have the instructions and want to measure the information?

Again just count the bits in the instructions.

For example a cake would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe.

Have you ever had to assemble something?

The object you assembled would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the assembly instructions.

Let the Richie Retardo arm flailing begin... (I will see you tomorrow)

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 24 2009,08:52

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2009,08:43)
More from the demented cheerleader:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ed.html >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Measuring Information/ specified complexity
When discussing information some people want to know how much information does something contain?

If it is something straight-forward such as a definition, we can count the number of bits in that definition to find out how much information it contains.

For example:

aardvark: a large burrowing nocturnal mammal (Orycteropus afer) of sub-Saharan Africa that has a long snout, extensible tongue, powerful claws, large ears, and heavy tail and feeds especially on termites and ants


A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

Now what do we do when all we have is an object?

One way of figuring out how much information it contains is to figure out how (the simplest way) to make it.

Then you write down the procedure without wasting words/ characters and count those bits.

That will give you an idea of the minimal information it contains.

I say that because all the information that goes into making something is therefor contained by it.

And if you already have the instructions and want to measure the information?

Again just count the bits in the instructions.

For example a cake would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe.

Have you ever had to assemble something?

The object you assembled would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the assembly instructions.

Let the Richie Retardo arm flailing begin... (I will see you tomorrow)

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------




what an idiot.  he is going to run with this like he did being a muslim.

that means if you shave your initials into an aardvark it contains more information than an unshaven aardvark.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 24 2009,08:54

I propose 'Cakeboy' from here on in..
Posted by: George on Mar. 24 2009,09:08

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2009,08:43)
More from the demented cheerleader:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ed.html >

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Measuring Information/ specified complexity
When discussing information some people want to know how much information does something contain?

If it is something straight-forward such as a definition, we can count the number of bits in that definition to find out how much information it contains.

For example:

aardvark: a large burrowing nocturnal mammal (Orycteropus afer) of sub-Saharan Africa that has a long snout, extensible tongue, powerful claws, large ears, and heavy tail and feeds especially on termites and ants


A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------



From < http://dictionary.reference.com/ >

human:  a human being.  

13 characters with spaces

Sphagnum: any soft moss of the genus Sphagnum, occurring chiefly in bogs, used for potting and packing plants, for dressing wounds, etc.

126 characters with spaces

Therefore moss is more intelligently designed than man.  At least some men.
Posted by: Louis on Mar. 24 2009,09:22

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2009,14:54)
I propose 'Cakeboy' from here on in..
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Seconded.

Louis
Posted by: Amadan on Mar. 24 2009,09:34

I've seen ravens that had less Poe about them.

I mean, "count the letters in the dictionary"?

But hang on! A picture is worth 10^3 words. And a 'word' is (if I remember correctly, someone with a brain will put me right if I'm not) 32 bits. 'Two bits' means 25 US cents. So if I take a photo of a quarter-dollar, its FCSI is [(32/2)*10^3] = 16000 bits = $4000.00

Not a bad return on a quarter, especially in these impoverished [End-]times.
Posted by: Quack on Mar. 24 2009,09:44

< Aardvark >

How many bits, or bytes? Or < slabs >?
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 24 2009,10:24

Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 24 2009,10:31

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2009,16:43)
More from the demented cheerleader:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ed.html >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Measuring Information/ specified complexity
When discussing information some people want to know how much information does something contain?

If it is something straight-forward such as a definition, we can count the number of bits in that definition to find out how much information it contains.

For example:

aardvark: a large burrowing nocturnal mammal (Orycteropus afer) of sub-Saharan Africa that has a long snout, extensible tongue, powerful claws, large ears, and heavy tail and feeds especially on termites and ants


A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

Now what do we do when all we have is an object?

One way of figuring out how much information it contains is to figure out how (the simplest way) to make it.

Then you write down the procedure without wasting words/ characters and count those bits.

That will give you an idea of the minimal information it contains.

I say that because all the information that goes into making something is therefor contained by it.

And if you already have the instructions and want to measure the information?

Again just count the bits in the instructions.

For example a cake would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe.

Have you ever had to assemble something?

The object you assembled would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the assembly instructions.

Let the Richie Retardo arm flailing begin... (I will see you tomorrow)

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Nup, hog snot is still smarter.

My only post to UD during the last very brief Glasnost was to KF to ask him to clarify his use of the word information.

In Information Theory there is a very definite difference between "function" and "information".

I asked Gordon Mullings / KF in which context WRT to Information Theory did his use of the word Information relate.

I later found out he was just an IT guy who worked at a race track and filled up his spare time writing letters to the editor and couldn't possibly have the foggiest notion of what I was asking him.

Joe G? Knows less.
Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 24 2009,10:41

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,09:24)
Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, if it was a five minute drive, and he started at 1005...

But seriously, I reckon he assumed 5 bits per character, even though that allows only one case, and no more than 6 non-letter characters.

Henry
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 24 2009,10:49

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 24 2009,18:41)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,09:24)
Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, if it was a five minute drive, and he started at 1005...

But seriously, I reckon he assumed 5 bits per character, even though that allows only one case, and no more than 6 non-letter characters.

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


You could do it with 2 characters if you used a one time pad at each end of the channel.

He doesn't mention anything about error correction, channel bandwidth or encryption either.

But then Joe could just send the cake by snail mail if he really wanted to.

...psssst..... Joe put a file in it if you are sending it to your Mom. You never know she just might be able to escape...just a thought
Posted by: Alan Fox on Mar. 24 2009,10:51

Things must be getting slow when Joe Gallien gets top slot here.

I don't know if it might amuse anyone, but Joe was threshing around at ARN a while back. In response to my innocent question:

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
How old are you, Joe? Twelve? Do you still suffer from coulrophobia?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



I got:

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
How old are YOU Alan?

YOU are the one who insists on acting like a dick.

I, for one, am sick of it.

As I said if YOU want to fight we should take it off of this board and do it.

I say that because you do not seem interested in anything else.

And you certainly don't seem interested in anything except forcing your ignorance on to others.

IOW you haven't even reached the age of 12.

Do you still suffer from penis-envy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




< Link >
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 24 2009,11:00

How many times has Joe suggested physical confrontation to someone an ID or evolution board?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 24 2009,11:01

Joe wants fisticuffs with everyone. And yet he's a retiree..


Bonus - look at the image I got from googling "angry old man" - its Gloppy!?


Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 24 2009,11:03

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 24 2009,11:00)
How many times has Joe suggested physical confrontation to someone an ID or evolution board?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He's really really brave behind his keyboard and the anonymity of the Internet. (Just like the rest of us!  :) )

That's science should be settled - fisticuffs! Thump the controversy!
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Mar. 24 2009,11:06

UD Today

Barry, Joe, and Granny Tard.


Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 24 2009,11:07





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Writer David Mirkin thinks that what makes Abe funny is that the "boring" and "tedium" things he says are "actually funny" in the context of the boring and the tedium.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Louis on Mar. 24 2009,11:11

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2009,17:03)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 24 2009,11:00)
How many times has Joe suggested physical confrontation to someone an ID or evolution board?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He's really really brave behind his keyboard and the anonymity of the Internet. (Just like the rest of us!  :) )

That's science should be settled - fisticuffs! Thump the controversy!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hey!

I'm really brave, and I'll meet you in the car park of your choice to prove it. I'm not scared of clowns either (just professors ;-) )

Louis
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 24 2009,11:50

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 24 2009,10:41)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,09:24)
Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, if it was a five minute drive, and he started at 1005...

But seriously, I reckon he assumed 5 bits per character, even though that allows only one case, and no more than 6 non-letter characters.

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Because I see where he thinks he's going with this I perceive a typo - well, let's see if my comment appears.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 24 2009,15:43

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,11:50)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 24 2009,10:41)
   
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,09:24)
Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, if it was a five minute drive, and he started at 1005...

But seriously, I reckon he assumed 5 bits per character, even though that allows only one case, and no more than 6 non-letter characters.

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Because I see where he thinks he's going with this I perceive a typo - well, let's see if my comment appears.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< *Checks watch* >


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Did you intend to type 1616 instead of 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Silence reigns. I should have said 1818 just for kicks.
Posted by: FrankH on Mar. 25 2009,08:17

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,15:43)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,11:50)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 24 2009,10:41)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,09:24)
Can someone tell me how he arrived at 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Well, if it was a five minute drive, and he started at 1005...

But seriously, I reckon he assumed 5 bits per character, even though that allows only one case, and no more than 6 non-letter characters.

Henry
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Because I see where he thinks he's going with this I perceive a typo - well, let's see if my comment appears.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

< *Checks watch* >

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Did you intend to type 1616 instead of 1010?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Silence reigns. I should have said 1818 just for kicks.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


What if it's 1812?

Can we get an overture for that?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,08:57

He's baaaaaack:


< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 25 2009,09:41

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,16:57)
He's baaaaaack:


< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Oh Christ I laffed my ass right off and it fell on the floor and rolled out the door down the steps all the way to the beach and swam out to a waiting cruise ship boarded it and had a holiday in Thailand.

WITHOUT ME YOU FREAKING HOMO!!!!!
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,09:55

He's digging in for an embattled defense..
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 25 2009,10:10

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,17:55)
He's digging in for an embattled defense..
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OK, do we send him guns or butter?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,10:12

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 25 2009,10:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,17:55)
He's digging in for an embattled defense..
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OK, do we send him guns or butter?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Butter. being a longer word, it has more CSI and so is more useful.
Posted by: khan on Mar. 25 2009,10:14

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,11:12)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 25 2009,10:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,17:55)
He's digging in for an embattled defense..
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OK, do we send him guns or butter?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Butter. being a longer word, it has more CSI and so is more useful.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The very best butter?
Posted by: J-Dog on Mar. 25 2009,10:26

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,10:12)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 25 2009,10:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,17:55)
He's digging in for an embattled defense..
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OK, do we send him guns or butter?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Butter. being a longer word, it has more CSI and so is more useful.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Based on this, and of course that he spends his day with his head surrounded by his own, Joe would get even MORE use out of the word buttocks.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,11:46

I think he's trying to measure the CSI of insults now:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >
Posted by: J-Dog on Mar. 25 2009,11:55

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,11:46)
I think he's trying to measure the CSI of insults now:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He's got the "How To Run An ID Blog" rules down - I tried to blog over there but got this famous IC statement:  

"Your comment has been saved and will be visible after
blog owner approval. "
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 25 2009,12:59

Yes, I know how to multiply, Joe.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,13:37

You want to multiply with Joe?


*Reverse Shimmy*
Posted by: dheddle on Mar. 25 2009,13:52

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:37)
You want to multiply with Joe?


*Reverse Shimmy*
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OT: What is a shimmy?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,13:53

Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,13:52)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:37)
You want to multiply with Joe?


*Reverse Shimmy*
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OT: What is a shimmy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


So you know when you get a lapdance and ...


oh, HEDDLE..right....


So you know when you GIVE a lapdance...

J/K Dave  :D
Posted by: dheddle on Mar. 25 2009,13:57

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:53)
Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,13:52)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:37)
You want to multiply with Joe?


*Reverse Shimmy*
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OT: What is a shimmy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


So you know when you get a lapdance and ...


oh, HEDDLE..right....


So you know when you GIVE a lapdance...

J/K Dave  :D
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Ahh, so this is a shimmy. >

Then I don't understand what a "reverse shimmy" is. It would appear to be time reversal invariant.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,14:01

It's only for pros like Tarden and Carlson:

< http://ats.tribe.net/thread/0d98e825-8f43-4660-a5f9-31030bcb09c1 >
Posted by: dheddle on Mar. 25 2009,14:14

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,14:01)
It's only for pros like Tarden and Carlson:

< http://ats.tribe.net/thread/0d98e825-8f43-4660-a5f9-31030bcb09c1 >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I always say that a day is not successful unless I learn something new. Mission accomplished.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 25 2009,14:16

Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,14:14)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,14:01)
It's only for pros like Tarden and Carlson:

< http://ats.tribe.net/thread/0d98e825-8f43-4660-a5f9-31030bcb09c1 >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I always say that a day is not successful unless I learn something new. Mission accomplished.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Learn by doing, Dave. Then post a Youtube. Then link here so we can mock enjoy.
Posted by: dheddle on Mar. 25 2009,14:18

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,14:16)
Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,14:14)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,14:01)
It's only for pros like Tarden and Carlson:

< http://ats.tribe.net/thread/0d98e825-8f43-4660-a5f9-31030bcb09c1 >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I always say that a day is not successful unless I learn something new. Mission accomplished.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Learn by doing, Dave. Then post a Youtube. Then link here so we can mock enjoy.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I dance better than Al Gore. That's all I'll say.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 25 2009,14:38

Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,13:57)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:53)
   
Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 25 2009,13:52)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,13:37)
You want to multiply with Joe?


*Reverse Shimmy*
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


OT: What is a shimmy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


So you know when you get a lapdance and ...


oh, HEDDLE..right....


So you know when you GIVE a lapdance...

J/K Dave  :D
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Ahh, so this is a shimmy. >

Then I don't understand what a "reverse shimmy" is. It would appear to be time reversal invariant.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That's only a shoulder shimmy. < Here >.
There are no "reverse shimmies" Rich, sorry. You shimmied at Joe. :p Who had better make my comments appear!
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 25 2009,17:07

Anybody awake over at Joe's?


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Joe:    

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
202 x 5 = 1010
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Me: Yes, very good. 5 bits per character? Why? And are you assuming one case only?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Joe:    

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It is the DEFINITION that gives the word any information.*
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Me: Wait a minute. What do you mean by that? English literature does not equal information theory.

Which has more information:
the word "plus"
or
+
?

"Methinks it is like a weasel"
or
"AJEODSFL;PWERNPSRESJKLP
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Methinks it not go pop.

*Sounds very much like: < These instructions are not the sequence, rather they are embedded on the sequence, just as computer data is embedded on the disk >.
Posted by: Reed on Mar. 26 2009,00:07

My god designer.

Joseph: Not even < fractally wrong >. Or would that be Joseph: Fractally < not even wrong > ?
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 26 2009,07:38

This is < funny >:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
At 7:29 AM, Blogger Joe G said…



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Yes, very good. 5 bits per character? Why? Are you assuming one case only?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Does the information content change if the letters are capitalized?

IOW would the definition change?

No.

So why complicate things?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



I have a cake recipe.  It says



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
add 2 t of baking soda
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



or



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
ADD 2 T OF BAKING SODA
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Same information?  Same cake?

One thing's for sure: I'm not eating at Joe's house.
Posted by: slpage on Mar. 26 2009,09:05

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 24 2009,11:00)
How many times has Joe suggested physical confrontation to someone an ID or evolution board?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I don't know, but I may have been among the first.  I guess it must have been about 8-9 years ago on the old OCW forum.  He was his usual self, and a few of us had put him in his place on the issues and we all know that little Joey don't like that.

He posted my full name and my home address in a post, and later wrote that he might be passing through, and that "not everyone goes to Vermont to ski".

It came up again on NAIG shortly thereafter, and I'd had enough. We only live a few hours apart, and spring break was coming up, so I told him to give me a time and a place, and I'd be there.  He was suddenly too busy to post for about a week, and on the last day of my spring break, when the thread was about to scroll off the board, he makes a post boasting an 'anytime' sort of thing, then later claimed that I had chickened out.

He later 'challeneged' Chris Seibold and Robert R., and who knows who else, and I know dates and places had been discussed for at least a couple of people - Chris showed up at the agreed to time and place, Joey didn't, but he later claimed to have been there waiting (but could not accuratley describe anything at the venu) - or was that Blipey?  Or has that happened on more than one occasion?
I stopped interacting with him shortly thereafter, but I can only imagine how many times he's done this.

He's a classic internet bully/punk - talks tough when he knows there is little chance of actual confrontation, shows himself to be a big talking pussy when his bluff is called.

As an aside - he did also write of having had back surgery and to have re-injured himself in Iraq (I guess digging latrines is hard work).  Just mentioning a choice target and an obvious handicap, just in case... :p
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 26 2009,09:16

Joe is a wanna-be bully. Like the tiny dog that yaps and yaps, the advert oversells the reality. As he's recently retired, I suspect that telling you to 'get of his lawn' is as testy as it gets.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 26 2009,09:38

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 26 2009,07:38)
This is < funny >:
   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
At 7:29 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Yes, very good. 5 bits per character? Why? Are you assuming one case only?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Does the information content change if the letters are capitalized?

IOW would the definition change?

No.

So why complicate things?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



I have a cake recipe.  It says

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
add 2 t of baking soda
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



or

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
ADD 2 T OF BAKING SODA
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Same information?  Same cake?

One thing's for sure: I'm not eating at Joe's house.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Yes, I let that one go. (For one thing, I have added too much baking soda to a cake. If you’ve made it for a cakewalk at the neighborhood organization’s picnic and the moochers show up for free food, believe me they’ll eat it and like it.) I just notice that he's UPPING the 5-bit ANTE whenever HE FEELS LIKE IT. ;)
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 26 2009,09:57

On the next thread, he's telling me why evolution didn't happen.
Posted by: Badger3k on Mar. 26 2009,10:02

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2009,09:57)
On the next thread, he's telling me why evolution didn't happen.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


All I can think of is to borrow a phrase from 2001 (if memory serves):

"It's full of idiots."
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 26 2009,10:05

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2009,09:57)
On the next thread, he's telling me why evolution didn't happen.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Because there's no such thing as accumulated small teaspoons, I guess.

Joe:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I am talking about plain ole black & white information that humans (in general) use on a daily basis.

Then why refer to "information"?

Are you saying that a definition of a word isn't information?

WTF?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Oh, JHC.
Kristine:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
No, Joe, that is not what I am saying. Calm down. I am saying that you are conflating different defintions and therefore making a fallacious argument.

The definition of a word as you use it here (plain use) has nothing to do with the amount of information in the word in Shannon's terms. You're confusing the two.

Anyway, look at a recipe and see if t and T are not in fact different amounts of baking soda. (t = teaspoon, T = tablespoon) I'm doing you a favor, you see?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe's putting on his wife-beater t-shirt and stomping to the kitchen, I suspect.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 26 2009,10:18

Joe G = Walter Mitty


< http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y141082 >
Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 26 2009,10:23

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 26 2009,10:05)
Oh, JHC.
Kristine:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
No, Joe, that is not what I am saying. Calm down. I am saying that you are conflating different defintions and therefore making a fallacious argument.

The definition of a word as you use it here (plain use) has nothing to do with the amount of information in the word in Shannon's terms. You're confusing the two.

Anyway, look at a recipe and see if t and T are not in fact different amounts of baking soda. (t = teaspoon, T = tablespoon) I'm doing you a favor, you see?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe's putting on his wife-beater t-shirt and stomping to the kitchen, I suspect.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Ah, but 2T = 6t and, by Joe's methodology, 2t and 6t have the same amount of information.  Therefore, his point stands.
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 26 2009,11:06

Joe < comes > as close as he ever will to conceding the elusive nature of CSI:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
One final note- the point of CSI is to know whether or not it is present. Its presence is a signal of intentional design. Getting an exact number, although good for parlor games, may or may not be of any use scientifically.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Shorter CSI: we just know it's designed.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 26 2009,11:21

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 26 2009,11:06)
Joe < comes > as close as he ever will to conceding the elusive nature of CSI:      

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
One final note- the point of CSI is to know whether or not it is present. Its presence is a signal of intentional design. Getting an exact number, although good for parlor games, may or may not be of any use scientifically.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Shorter CSI: we just know it's designed.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Present in what way? Animals engage in sexual selection. It's not intelligent design in the way Joe means, but it's not random. Shall we redefine intelligence as any nonrandom selection, or as a strategy involving an instinct? Because that's what he's doing!

Do they really want to make, say, ducks the Designer? :O
Posted by: Henry J on Mar. 26 2009,11:49

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 26 2009,10:21)
Do they really want to make, say, ducks the Designer? :O
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Sounds like a Daffy idea. :p
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 26 2009,16:24

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2009,09:57)
On the next thread, he's telling me why evolution didn't happen.
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Well, here.

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"The model of punctuated equilibria does not maintain that nothing occurs gradually at any level of evolution. It is a theory about speciation and its deployment in the fossil record. It claims that an important pattern, continuous at higher levels—the 'classic' macroevolutionary trend—is a consequence of punctuation in the evolution of species. It does not deny that allopatric speciation occurs gradually in ecological time (though it might not—see Carson, 1975), but only asserts that this scale is a geological microsecond."
Gould and Eldredge. (1977). "Invalid claims of gradualism made at the wrong scale." p.121.

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We’ll see if this falls into a hole.

Joe must be thinking really hard about what I said about teaspoons and Tablespoons. Yeah that must be it.
Posted by: clamboy on Mar. 26 2009,18:35

I find it hard to believe that no one...NO ONE, I say...has pointed out that Joe G's cake recipe calls for:

1) adding the WET ingredients to the DRY ingredients

AND.....(dear lord! *choke*).....

2) adding them ONE  AT  A  TIME!!!!!

This is supposed to be a cake! A CAKE, DAMN YOUR EYES!!! NOT.....MUFFINS!!!!!!!
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 26 2009,21:51

There is so much quotable stupidity in this < cake > argument.  It's just rich and delicious, slice after slice.   They're like little tard koans.  Observe:



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The recipe itself carries with it all the definitions of the words it contains.
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And again:

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The more information it takes the farher it is away from being reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.
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Et voilà!

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So if you really wanted to know the SI of a something all you have to do is to figure out how to make one, write down the instructions, and count the bits.
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That's right folks.  Write down the instructions.  Count the bits.  Measure SI!  Or the CSI.  Whatevs.


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Does the information content change if the letters are capitalized?

IOW would the definition change?

No.
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Are you feeling stupid yet?  

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My point is the cake that is baked contains all the information that was used in baking it.
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A little Dr. Seussy there, huh?  

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Each cake contains the information required to make it.
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What if it's only half-baked?
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 26 2009,22:07

You can have your CSI and eat it, too.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 26 2009,22:55

which one of you guys is joe again?

lenny?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 26 2009,23:22



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I will say it again- the ONLY reason to ask for the CSI of something is you question how it came to be that way.
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ALL SCIENCE SO FAR



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One final note- the point of CSI is to know whether or not it is present. Its presence is a signal of intentional design. Getting an exact number, although good for parlor games, may or may not be of any use scientifically.
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'exact number' not being different from zero not a problem

Tom Ames has good intentions but these are parlor games remember


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Actually, an important chunk of the information that goes into the development of, say, a Drosophila embryo comes from gradients in the egg that are determined by the mother. The information arising from these "maternal effects" are not necessarily encoded anywhere in the offspring's genome.
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KF, plato, cave, sadly always linked etc.  great windup, Tom, I was eagerly awaiting Joes response.  not disappointed


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So what?

Does that mean the offspring does not contain that information?
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SO!!!??  WHAT???!!!!

I would offer here using 'information' as an abstraction for the processes that generate phenotypes is not helpful.  Joe already demonstrates a Pavlovian response to the term and his glaze over, he takes it literally as a property of matter.  And has resisted thinking it through, clearly.

'the offspring', he says, contains that phenotype as 'information'.  Tom refers to the influence of external factors on the development of a phenotype, factors that recursive nonlinear processes.  Joe appears to be under the notion that information is some sort of essential property but has delusions that it may be measured somehow although it is not important but he can do it and you are stupid because you want to see behind the curtain but he will show you because he is a swell guy.  and then doesn't.

maybe i'm wrong.  i don't know what the fuck he is on about.

oleg can't resist punching the pinata


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If I make two cakes from the same recipe, do they contain twice as much information?
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that has bearing on the rambling above.  i can't wait to see his answer.  that's what makes this good tard.



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Each cake contains the information rtequired in making it.

That is it. Period.

"Twice as much information" is irrelevant" to the point being made.

Do you understand the point- that designed objects contain the information used in making them?
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Now if you took a recipe and doubled it to make one BIG cake, then that big cake would contain all the information required to make it.

WHATEVER that information was.
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I mean shit you people don't understand that yet?

roflmao.  WHAT?  It's irrelevant, just forget you saw it.  You saw nothing.  Look over there.

Oleg says "look sugar we need to measure this stuff if we are going to use it.  help us out, pretty please" or something like that.  this is good



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You NEED to know?

NEED?

I don't believe you.

What do you need it for?

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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

oleg tries one more time to get the point across.


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If your information is contained in a cake, then I would say that it should be additive.
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ever seen that dog on americas funniest home videos that keeps attacking its feet?



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It isn't "my" information.

Do you understand the point? Yes or No.

The point being that a designed object contains the information required to make it.

Do you agree or disagree?

If you agree then fine we have nothing left to discuss in this thread.

If you disagree fine also. Just demonstrate that a cake can arise without agency involvement.
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agree with WHAT?  do you agree that seven jumped over anger while malevolence did the moonwalk?

Demonstrating why Richard T Hughes is one of my favorite tard warriors


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Why isn't this Front Page at UD?
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hahaha it might as well be, these days.

you guys are too good to that poor fool.  what a great read.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 27 2009,00:06



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I would offer here using 'information' as an abstraction for the processes that generate phenotypes is not helpful.  Joe already demonstrates a Pavlovian response to the term and his glaze over, he takes it literally as a property of matter. And has resisted thinking it through, clearly.
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Nice one 'Ras but clearly you are over crediting his ...erm  'thinking'.

In Joe's case .....resistance truly is futile.

Don't worry Joe you'll never work that one out.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,00:34

I did done if for you, Rasser.

Pavlova response? Glaze..




Cake, Sponge and Icing...
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,00:37

"Copy this sentence"

Self-replication well under the UPB...  :p
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,00:55

But... but... Joe! I'm confused! What about the info added by the frosting?



If dingleberry doesn't make my comments appear, I might bake a cake, write down all the instructions, get my bingo club together, go out to his place and ring his doorbell, and throw the damn cake along with the stupid "information" (after I tear it into bits) at his head.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Mar. 27 2009,04:03

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,00:55)
If dingleberry doesn't make my comments appear, I might bake a cake, write down all the instructions, get my bingo club together, go out to his place and ring his doorbell, and throw the damn cake along with the stupid "information" (after I tear it into bits) at his head.
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< Oh noes!!1!1!1!! >
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 27 2009,07:48

looks like he is riding the New Scientist tard train now.

joe is too dumb to talk to.  i really enjoy when you guys play with him.  i don't have the patience.  i would however like to see him and KF fight to the death with ball point pens.
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 27 2009,08:04

< Here > is my latest reply to Joe, in which I prove that the CSI of a cake is zero.  The proof is based on Joe's own length-of-recipe definition and common assumptions about information and entropy (e.g. additivity).  

     

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Ya see oleg it is AS I HAVE STATED:

A designed object contains all the information that went into making it.

Yes or no- Do you understand that point?



Before I can agree or disagree with a statement I need to have a clear understanding of it. You have steadfastly refused to define your terms, so I will have to fill in the blanks as best I can.

On the basis of what you have said and by using what little I know about information and statistics I am forced to conclude that the information content of a cake is zero. Others in this thread and at AtBC have hinted at this outcome, but here is my simple proof.

Here are my assumptions. First, I assume along with you that the amount of CSI X in a cake is determined by the number of letters in the recipe. I further assume that CSI, like Shannon information and entropy, is an additive quantity. The third and final assumption is that CSI, like entropy, is a function of state: if two cakes are the same in size and taste, they contain equal amounts of CSI. It does not matter how they were prepared.

It follows from these assumptions that the amount of CSI in a cake X=0. To see why this is so, note that the amount of CSI in 2 cakes of the same size is X+X because CSI is additive. On the other hand, a recipe for preparing two cakes can be obtained from a recipe for one by appending the single-word sentence Repeat. It follows that the amount of CSI in the second cake X is based on the number of letters in the sentence Repeat.

While that already is a pretty minimal amount of information, we can shrink it a bit further. 4 cakes can be made by appending to the modified recipe another single-word sentence Repeat. The amount of CSI contained in the two new cakes, 2X, is again based on the number of letters in the sentence Repeat. Thus 2X = X, which means X = 0. Q.E.D.

I hope this answers your question, Joe.

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ETA: edited for clarity.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,09:30

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 27 2009,04:03)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,00:55)
If dingleberry doesn't make my comments appear, I might bake a cake, write down all the instructions, get my bingo club together, go out to his place and ring his doorbell, and throw the damn cake along with the stupid "information" (after I tear it into bits) at his head.
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< Oh noes!!1!1!1!! >
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I'm not that old, Carsonjok.;)

Joe blows:
 

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Kristine,

Someone should tell Dawkins about PE.

He dedicates a chapter to destroying it (an attempt anyway) in his book "The Blind Watchmaker", because it gores against gradualism- according to him.
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Me:  

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Joe, if Dawkins devoted a chapter to PE, I don't have to tell him about it, do I? As a matter of fact, he and I had a discussion about it. It's not the devastation of ToE that creationists think it is. Sorry, but you're harkening back to the old "equal time for creation science" arguments, and as much as I miss the 1970s, I really don't relish this dredged up again.
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edited to enable emote.:)


Posted by: khan on Mar. 27 2009,09:33

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,01:55)
But... but... Joe! I'm confused! What about the info added by the frosting?



If dingleberry doesn't make my comments appear, I might bake a cake, write down all the instructions, get my bingo club together, go out to his place and ring his doorbell, and throw the damn cake along with the stupid "information" (after I tear it into bits) at his head.
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< Theme song for UD (youtube) >
Posted by: George on Mar. 27 2009,09:43

Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 26 2009,18:35)
I find it hard to believe that no one...NO ONE, I say...has pointed out that Joe G's cake recipe calls for:

1) adding the WET ingredients to the DRY ingredients

AND.....(dear lord! *choke*).....

2) adding them ONE  AT  A  TIME!!!!!

This is supposed to be a cake! A CAKE, DAMN YOUR EYES!!! NOT.....MUFFINS!!!!!!!
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Excellent point.  Joe's no cakeboy.  He's... the < Muffin Man >!  Hard at work in the laboratory of his Unintelligent Muffin Research Kitchen.

"Girl you thought he was a man
But he was a muffin
He hung around till you found
That he didnt know nuthin"
- < F. Zappa >
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,09:47

< Or maybe this? >

TEH CAEK IS A LIE!
Posted by: Badger3k on Mar. 27 2009,09:55

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 27 2009,07:48)
looks like he is riding the New Scientist tard train now.

joe is too dumb to talk to.  i really enjoy when you guys play with him.  i don't have the patience.  i would however like to see him and KF fight to the death with ball point pens.
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I can hear the Star Trek fight music now....

On the other hand, has anybody tried to figure the CSI of Soylent Cakes?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:01

Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
Posted by: keiths on Mar. 27 2009,10:27

The beautiful thing about Joe is that he won't let it go.  He proves that tard is not a conserved quantity; it contains no CSI and can therefore be produced without limit.
Posted by: AmandaHuginKiss on Mar. 27 2009,10:28

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01)
Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
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Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:36

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 27 2009,10:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01)
Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
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Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish
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TEH_DESIGNER IS A MASTERBAKER.

Joe is one mutation of "K" away from the designer.
He's also a mass-debater.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 27 2009,10:38

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,10:01)
Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
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ALLRIGHT GODDAMMIT YOU GET YOUR OWN DIRT FLOUR.

keiths that is the beautiful part of the Mullah Joe G.  he can't let it go, and doesn't have the logorrhea that makes the can't-admit-error quality so aggravating in other tards (I'm thinking of Gordon Mullings).  

so you get the great insults from Mullah and from KF you get a random word sample from the "sadly evo-mat hyperskepticism onlookers always linked" phrase table.

I like my tard concise and far from the point!
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:39

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 27 2009,10:27)
The beautiful thing about Joe is that he won't let it go.  He proves that tard is not a conserved quantity; it contains no CSI and can therefore be produced without limit.
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He's like a weasel with a rag dipped in rabbit-juice.
Posted by: dheddle on Mar. 27 2009,10:42

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 27 2009,10:28)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01)
Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
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Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish
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I sense a novel here --it opens medias res with Richard Hughes eating a Hostess Hoho--and employs flashback to explain how the recipe arrived encoded in EPCDIC (lower case only.)

EDIT: spelling
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:47

I THINK YOU'LL FIND HOSTESSES EAT ME, NOT VICEY VERSEY.  :angry:
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:48

It's a textbook example of the inverse relationship between 'insults' and 'having a point'.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,10:55

Joes *Hearts* Oleg:



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am not here to prove that a cake can arise spontaneously.

Yet you said you had "proof" it doesn't require any information.

I am helping you evaluate its information content.

You are a legend in your own mind.

With your "help" nothing would ever get accomplished.

I took your own procedure and showed formally that it gives zero information content.

You bastardized my procedure and twisted it to get some nonsensical result.

So I will say it again-

If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information.

Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit.

Is that clear enough?

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Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,11:15

Joe just told the little woman to butt out. Yeah, I'm not going to beat myself up trying to knock some sense into your head, Joe.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 27 2009,11:54

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,18:55)
Joes *Hearts* Oleg:

 

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am not here to prove that a cake can arise spontaneously.

Yet you said you had "proof" it doesn't require any information.

I am helping you evaluate its information content.

You are a legend in your own mind.

With your "help" nothing would ever get accomplished.

I took your own procedure and showed formally that it gives zero information content.

You bastardized my procedure and twisted it to get some nonsensical result.

So I will say it again-

If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information.

Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit.

Is that clear enough?

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Joe should give up baking and do eggs instead.

They're a lot easier Joe.

Here's what you do.

1.Wake up.

2. Boil water.

3. Put in egg

4. Sumersault naked into kitchen grab spoon toss egg onto nearest asshole and enjoy.
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 27 2009,12:33

Man that dialogue with oleg is funny.  Joe sure knows how to have a conversation.

oleg, I bow to you.  Your patience and dry wit are enviable.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,14:20

Quote (dheddle @ Mar. 27 2009,10:42)
   
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 27 2009,10:28)
     
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2009,03:01)
Don't you have to follow all the sub-ingredients down until you have to make matter?
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Not only that you need to develop the recipe in such a way that aliens can interpret it otherwise it is just some random gibberish
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I sense a novel here --it opens medias res with Richard Hughes eating a Hostess Hoho--and employs flashback to explain how the recipe arrived encoded in EPCDIC (lower case only.)

EDIT: spelling
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Not to mention you'd also have to follow all the "definitions" of all the words in the recipe down to the definitions of the words in the definitions, and then in each of those definitions, etc., etc.

So, I go figure skating and trace a figure-8 in the ice, it's worth 8 ASCII bits? Because what about if I change to doing a < rocker > or a loop? I'm not aware of any written instructions on how to learn, really learn, figure skating. You have to learn from another human being, through imitation. Does this mean that skating has no content, Joe? Because I would argue that it contains a lot more information than football (but maybe we shouldn't go there).
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 27 2009,14:23

I put on my hip-waders and posted a comment.  I pointed out that oleg is not saying the cake contains no information but only that Joe's way of talking about information is nonsensical.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,14:28

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 27 2009,14:23)
I put on my hip-waders and posted a comment.  I pointed out that oleg is not saying the cake contains no information but only that Joe's way of talking about information is nonsensical.
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He'll be 'round your house with his buddies in no time..
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,15:17

I think this may be my flounce-out.
Joe:  

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Kristine,

There isn't any evidence that would demonstrate any amount of genetic change can account for the differences observed betwen organisms.

There isn't any evidence for cumulative selection leading to new body plans and new protein machinery.

Nothing.

So stick that in your evidence pipe, hon.
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Moi:  

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Joe G, you just show me how to "stick it in my evidence pipe." I would really love to see if you can find it.
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What a jerk. Scientists take heed! The retired airline pilot has spoken!

ETA - Down tigers! Down! :p


Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,15:28

Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it.
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 27 2009,15:41

Hermagoras,

it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 27 2009,15:57

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:41)
Hermagoras,

it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done.
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oleg I am being generous to say that I never expected much more from him than that.

but well played, you have reduced him to a sniveling pile of man-queef.  and with such style!  I second hermagoras.
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 27 2009,15:58

Joe's continuing temper tantrum:

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So I will say it again-

If YOUR "proof"/ outcome had any merit then you should be able to demonstrate a cake arising without information.

Failure to produce such a demonstration is a strong indication that YOU are full of shit.

Is that clear enough?

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This is completely silly.  

His position is "A, therefore B," where
A = a cake contains lots of Joe-information,
B = a cake cannot arise spontaneously.  

I show that A is false.  What does he do?  He ascribes to me the position "not A, therefore not B."  

Talk about a non sequitur!
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,16:02

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:41)
Hermagoras,

it's pointless to argue with Joe at this point.  He has painted himself into a corner.  Any further responses from him will be insults.  I'm done.
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Oleg, I'll tell you what. How about I just go to Lunds and have the recipe spray-frostinged onto the cake? Maybe that will resolve the issue.

Naturally, I'll have them write it in binary, because that's less fattening.

< Joe decorates a cake >.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,16:13

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 27 2009,15:58)
Talk about a non sequitur!
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I NO THAT YOU OUR BUT WHAT AM I?
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,16:53

Whatever.

Posted by: Thought Provoker on Mar. 27 2009,16:56

Hi Oleg,

I'm sure you have figured this out already, but Joe is very much in denial and has a blind spot about what he means when he says something contains information.

I had tangled with Joe in 2006 challenging him to a debate on a "level playing field".

I attempted as you did to get Joe to qualify his definition of "information content".



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I am interested in having Joe expound on his term "information content". Can non-living things have "information content"? For example, does a simple rock contain information (e.g. weight, mass, dimensions, etc)? If that is the case, do two rocks contain more information than one rock (not necessarily double, just more)?
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Joe simply refused to even acknowledge my request, much less answer it, even though I asked it multiple times.

In case you are interested
< here is the link to the thread. >
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 27 2009,16:59

My new post - let's see if it makes sees the light of day:



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Joe, such a potty mouth - I don't think the school board will approve.

"He showed me that he could take my idea and twist it."

That'd be a pretzel then, which presumably would have MORE information?
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Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,17:01

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,15:28)
Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it.
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He didn't get it anyway, probably because he doesn't.
Posted by: KCdgw on Mar. 27 2009,17:07

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,17:01)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,15:28)
Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it.
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He didn't get it anyway, probably because he doesn't.
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What a frakking maroon.

KC
Posted by: blipey on Mar. 27 2009,17:08

Joe has a blind spot (reality).  Let's leave it at that.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 27 2009,17:18


I'll get the knife.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 28 2009,21:24

Oh, Oleg, Joe has spanked you good:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ck.html >
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 28 2009,22:06

i honestly believe y'all made him cry some.  man what an angry tard.  i would like to see him fight a swarm of bees.
Posted by: Hermagoras on Mar. 28 2009,22:19

I sent what I thought was a helpful comment about what an asshole he was being.  Of course he didn't let it get posted.
Posted by: olegt on Mar. 28 2009,22:51

< Joe is in a state of denial >.  
 

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What does this have to do with oleg? Oleg said:
 

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First, I assume along with you that the amount of CSI X in a cake is determined by the number of letters in the recipe.
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Seems like a real stupid assumption now doesn’t it. And it certainly ain’t what I assumed at all.

Joe the Information Technologist 1- oleg the information theorist 0

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Yet letter count is precisely what he suggested in a < previous post >, repeating it three times!
 

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A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

you write down the procedure without wasting words/ characters and count those bits.

Again just count the bits in the instructions.

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Poor guy.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 28 2009,23:04



---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
Poor guy.
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Yeah lucky he's not a dog.

He'd be on a one way trip to the vet.
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 28 2009,23:14

tardilicious



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81

jerry

03/28/2009

10:39 pm
“Do you have a better way of getting across the idea of accumulation of information through selection? If so, then out with it.”

There is no accumulation of information through selection that I have ever seen so how could I present a better way to an example I am not aware of. Maybe you should present an/the instance. We would all be interested. It would be a first, since I am not aware of even Dawkins ever doing so.

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....erm Jerry.

The other information, remember?

Function.

Do you have a better way of getting across the idea of accumulation of information function through selection? If so, then out with it.”

.....Multi tasking yur not doin it rite.
Posted by: Thought Provoker on Mar. 28 2009,23:38

FYI,

I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks.

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Mar. 29 2009,18:10

Joe G on Oleg:



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And that means by any measure I am his intellectual superior.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



HAR HAR
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 29 2009,23:41

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 30 2009,02:10)
Joe G on Oleg:

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And that means by any measure I am his intellectual superior.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



HAR HAR
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Yeah Joe G is a legend in his own basement.

His contribution to global knowledge just on cake baking alone would win him an Honary Doctorate.


*News update*

Joe G awarded "Man of Flour and Literal Images" Honary Doctorate at Mrs. Phylis D. Finkmeister's Cake Skool for Retired Aircraft Mechanics

Here is the award presentaton.



Posted by: clamboy on Mar. 31 2009,11:10

BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!!

I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy)....

CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!!

Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ.

(Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.)
Posted by: k.e.. on Mar. 31 2009,11:20

Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,19:10)
BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!!

I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy)....

CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!!

Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ.

(Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


uh huh..

...so what you are saying is that if the designer was say......French  

Joe's blamange could be a crouton?
Posted by: clamboy on Mar. 31 2009,11:55

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2009,11:20)
Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,19:10)
BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!!

I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy)....

CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!!

Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ.

(Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


uh huh..

...so what you are saying is that if the designer was say......French  

Joe's blamange could be a crouton?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I'd say his creme caramel would be runny scrambled eggs.
Posted by: keiths on Mar. 31 2009,12:00

Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,09:55)
I'd say his creme caramel would be runny scrambled eggs.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That's a rather clamboyant statement.
Posted by: Kristine on Mar. 31 2009,16:42

< They're coming to take Joe away, ha ha >!

Joe makes cakes of all his little friends who worship his superior intellect (and his big, huge "evidence").

Oh, God, you are so huge! Gee, we're really impressed down here! :p
Posted by: carlsonjok on April 01 2009,09:19

Did you know that Jospeh Gallien is only a pseudonym? Neither did I until I came across this media commentary.  Joe's real name is Edwin Wiersbicki.

< See here >.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on April 01 2009,11:09

Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 29 2009,00:38)
FYI,

I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks.

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The relevant question for Joe G. is the information content of a box of rocks.
Posted by: KCdgw on April 01 2009,15:09

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 01 2009,11:09)
Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 29 2009,00:38)
FYI,

I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks.

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The relevant question for Joe G. is the information content of a box of rocks.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Or a bag of rock hammers.

KC
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 01 2009,17:22

latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
Posted by: k.e.. on April 01 2009,17:39

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22)
latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy FUCK!!!

He fell for the two rocks contain more information...

..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information.

What a frikken turkey.

He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses.

Hey Joe

Rocks contain Rock OK?
Posted by: tsig on April 01 2009,18:09

Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22)
latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy FUCK!!!

He fell for the two rocks contain more information...

..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information.

What a frikken turkey.

He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses.

Hey Joe

Rocks contain Rock OK?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe has smart rocks.
Posted by: Kristine on April 02 2009,09:05

Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22)
latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy FUCK!!!

He fell for the two rocks contain more information...

..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information.

What a frikken turkey.

He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses.

Hey Joe

Rocks contain Rock OK?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe has smart rocks.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Shannon is gone I heard -
She's drifting out to sea.

I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. :)

ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. :p


Posted by: Tracy P. Hamilton on April 02 2009,13:44

Quote (Kristine @ April 02 2009,09:05)
Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)
   
Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22)
latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy FUCK!!!

He fell for the two rocks contain more information...

..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information.

What a frikken turkey.

He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses.

Hey Joe

Rocks contain Rock OK?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe has smart rocks.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Shannon is gone I heard -
She's drifting out to sea.

I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. :)

ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. :p
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I have a new theory of information for Joe, illustrated by the game "Rock, Paper, Hammer".  It seems to unify many of his "thoughts".

Rock holds down paper.  Rock > paper, so has more information.  Two rocks hold the paper down even better, so even more information is in the rocks.  Especially if the rocks are shaped like a face.

Paper covers hammer.  Paper > hammer, so paper has more information, especially if the paper has a cake recipe written on it.  Super especially if the recipe is for rock cakes.  Two sheets of paper have double secret super special information.

Hammer breaks rock.  Unless wielded with Joe-like skill, in which case rock defeats hammers, and the primacy of cake recipe information is not in danger of disappearing because of the transitive property.

QED (Quod Erratum Demonstrandumb)
Posted by: Amadan on April 02 2009,15:53

But you forgot the scissors!

If you cut in half the sheet of paper with the cake recipe, it will make twice as many cakes. Especially if they're < rock cakes >.

Or maybe not: seeing that we're dealing with Shannon information here, it would probably have to be a < log >2 cake.
Posted by: Timothy McDougald on April 02 2009,22:30

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 02 2009,13:44)
Quote (Kristine @ April 02 2009,09:05)
Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)
   
Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)
     
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22)
latest:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy FUCK!!!

He fell for the two rocks contain more information...

..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information.

What a frikken turkey.

He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses.

Hey Joe

Rocks contain Rock OK?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe has smart rocks.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Shannon is gone I heard -
She's drifting out to sea.

I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. :)

ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. :p
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I have a new theory of information for Joe, illustrated by the game "Rock, Paper, Hammer".  It seems to unify many of his "thoughts".

Rock holds down paper.  Rock > paper, so has more information.  Two rocks hold the paper down even better, so even more information is in the rocks.  Especially if the rocks are shaped like a face.

Paper covers hammer.  Paper > hammer, so paper has more information, especially if the paper has a cake recipe written on it.  Super especially if the recipe is for rock cakes.  Two sheets of paper have double secret super special information.

Hammer breaks rock.  Unless wielded with Joe-like skill, in which case rock defeats hammers, and the primacy of cake recipe information is not in danger of disappearing because of the transitive property.

QED (Quod Erratum Demonstrandumb)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you ???
Posted by: Henry J on April 02 2009,23:05



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you :???:
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Inconceivable!
Posted by: Louis on April 03 2009,05:51

Quote (Henry J @ April 03 2009,05:05)


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So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you :???:
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Inconceivable!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That word you are using. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Or something like that.

Louis
Posted by: Henry J on April 03 2009,13:53

Close enough. :p
Posted by: olegt on April 04 2009,10:43

Joe has no one to talk to on his own blog, so he goes to UD to < say this >:

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I understand perfectly well what nested hierarchy means.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Bwahahaha! >
Posted by: Zachriel on April 04 2009,20:29

Quote (olegt @ April 04 2009,10:43)
Joe has no one to talk to on his own blog, so he goes to UD to < say this >:      

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I understand perfectly well what nested hierarchy means.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Bwahahaha! >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That brings back fond memories of Sam of Ballyvourney and the stuff in his pocket. Joseph had a great deal of trouble realizing that we could treat the contents of Sam's pocket as a set—even if his pocket were empty (which with Sam is often the case).


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Zachriel >: Are these sets?

* Sam's male descendents.
* Twigs on a single branch.
* My bushel of apples.
* The contents of Sam's pocket.
* What if my pocket is empty?

Let's call the contents of a pocket, pocket-stuff. Now, Sam is from Ballyvourney.

* Is the set 'Sam's pocket-stuff' nested within the set of 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff'?
* And as Ballyvourney is in County Cork, is the set 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff' nested within the set 'County Cork pocket-stuff'?
* And is the set 'County Cork pocket-stuff' nested within the set 'Irish pocket-stuff'?

< Joseph >: Only if Sam is in Ballyvourney.

< Zachriel >: You must not know Sam. Sam can always be found at the < Ballyvourney Mills Inn > dancing the < Ballyvourney Jig >.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Heh. Anyway, this was meant to just be a quick prelude to a discussion of nested hierarchies in terms of sets. But then...



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: The empty set is not a subset of itself.

< Zachriel >: The empty set is a subset of every set, including itself. Every set is a subset of itself. And every set is a subset of the union of that set with any other set. Hence,

'Sam of Ballyvourney's pocket-stuff' is a subset of 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff'.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Even after weeks, Joseph refused to learn anything whatsoever. His adamantine ignorance is astounding.

Finally, Joseph said I couldn't post unless I supported a strawman of his devising. That was back during Davescot's bout with coulrophobia. Good times.
Posted by: khan on April 04 2009,20:37

I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade.
Posted by: k.e.. on April 05 2009,00:56

Quote (khan @ April 05 2009,04:37)
I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I remember around 2nd to 3rd grade a question regarding set's / categories breathlessly asked by a young city teacher at my primary school.

Something along the lines of

"Now boys and girls, tell me which is the odd one out.
Cat, Sheep or Seagull?"


"Cat" everyone said.

Correct boys and girls.
Cat's are allowed in the house.

"Seagull" I said

<Teacher's mouth drops open> "And why do you say that k.e..?"

"The other 2 are mammals Miss."

The class chimed "Ignore him Miss he's strange, he doesn't believe in god, you are right Miss. What's a mammal anyway Miss?"

"All mammal mothers provide milk to their offspring even wales. We're mammals" I said

My mother got a call with a "please explain" question

Mom said she didn't want me going to the free lunchtime yank* nut job 50's evangelical religious cartoon movies anymore.

I had some lonely lunches for a while.

It was like being in a sociological experiment watching a group think theory being tested.

Those kids could have been told anything and just because they were told it was true, it WAS true. They saw the pictures.
Tablets from on high, Burning bush to Flood and beyond.

Joseph just can't grok NH because it causes a schism in his brain.
Joseph's brain just isn't wired properly.

*A term used outside of USA for all Americans. It caused endless fun for a group of young Australian males I was with in Dallas on a course in the late '70's when we called Texans  "Yanks".  They always responded that they hated damn "Yankees" as well. We would tease them with the fact they were all "Yanks" where we came from. The slow dawning looks on their faces were priceless. The mental confusion produced a truly shardenfreud moment, the following reaction weeded out the dickheads.

-bah fixed spelz
Posted by: Zachriel on April 05 2009,08:21

Quote (k.e.. @ April 05 2009,00:56)
 
Quote (khan @ April 05 2009,04:37)
I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I remember around 2nd to 3rd grade a question regarding set's / categories breathlessly asked by a young city teacher at my primary school.

Something along the lines of

"Now boys and girls, tell me which is the odd one out.
Cat, Sheep or Seagull?"


"Cat" everyone said.

Correct boys and girls.
Cat's are allowed in the house.

"Seagull" I said
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Sheep. You get wool from sheep. And they go "Ba".

Quote (khan @ April 04 2009,20:37)
I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It's not that he doesn't know, but that he refuses to learn. And when cornered on a mistake, he reacts by hurling insults. I see no hope of discussing nested hierarchies with Joseph as long as he refuses to understand the simplest aspects of categorization.
Posted by: k.e.. on April 05 2009,09:51

Zac said in another lifetime:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It's not that he doesn't know, but that he refuses to learn. And when cornered on a mistake, he reacts by hurling insults. I see no hope of discussing nested hierarchies with Joseph as long as he refuses to understand the simplest aspects of categorization.


---------------------QUOTE-------------------



You are being far too generous, his own self censorship, which he is fully aware of, finds a justification for loudspeaker lies.

It's called Joe's political identity.

He pleads the Nuremberg Defence.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 11 2009,23:25

not unless Joe gives up revenge for Lent during Ramadan...

wow



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



joe has a man-crush!!!!

< Yes Joe Is That Stupid >
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 11 2009,23:31

Really, it's better than just that

In full.  In sequence.  First (bolds my emphasis)



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant
Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant

Over on uncommon descent, both Alan Fox and David Kellogg have tried (and failed) to tell me that the theory of evolution predicts a nested hierarchy.

In an attempt to try to reason with them I asked them if evolution had a direction. They both agreed that it does not.

The next step was to ask them if nested hierarchies required a direction of additive characteristics. They both agreed that NH does not require a direction.

I provided a definition of nested hierarchy that stated nested hierarchies involve levels which consist of, and contain, lower levels.

That means if defining characteristics are lost then containment is also lost, therefor nested hierarchy is lost.

And if defining characteristics stay the same then we remain with that set- no nested hierarchy.

   Note how, as in any hierarchic system, the divisions are clear in a systematic way, becoming increasingly intense as the hierarchy is ascended.



After reasoning with these dolts didn’t work I asked them to provide an example of a nested hierarchy in which the characteristics were not additive.

Did they provide one?

Nope. Instead Kellogg pulled his head out of his ass long enough to tell me that I am incapable of being reasoned with!

And yet he has never provided any reasoning to support his position!!!!

You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



oh yeah.  the only thing that is getting increasingly intense is the Mullah Joe G's blood pressure.  and maybe the pressure on his prostate gland as he squinches that butt plug while chewing that can of spinach open with his teeth.

VERY NEXT BLOG POST

note the about face "I didn't mean to hurt you kitten you know I love you I'll never hurt you again"



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Mysterious Definition of Nested Hierarchy?
David Kellogg believes that I am unable to be reasoned with because he told me, without any support, that the few evolutionary scientists I disagree with pertaining to nested hierarchy and the theory of evolution, use a different definition of a nested hierarchy.

Did you get that?

They do not use the standard and accepted definition that I and the majority of people use, they have some ultra-secret version only they can understand.

So how about Kellogg- can you produce the allegedly different version of nested hierarchy that those evolutionary scientists use?

I promise I will do my best to understand but I first have to know what it is I am supposed to be understanding.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



this fool is a stark raving lunatic.  

Joe, either go get some professional help, or run for your local school board.  please don't do both that would be boring.
Posted by: k.e.. on April 12 2009,01:29



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant
Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant

Over on uncommon descent, both Alan Fox and David Kellogg have tried (and failed) to tell me that the theory of evolution predicts a nested hierarchy.

In an attempt to try to reason with them I asked them if evolution had a direction. They both agreed that it does not.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Here's Joe's basic problem when Alan and David say unguided they mean within the constraints of available pathways. Very, very simply put cars can only drive on roads or "available landscape".

Joe thinks unguided means that lead can turn into gold by means of ghosts.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

The next step was to ask them if nested hierarchies required a direction of additive characteristics. They both agreed that NH does not require a direction.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Joe fails to understand that Time is "a now" that once it has passed the apocryphal time stationary observer that somehow managed to find a seat on a time machine proceeding backwards through time at the same rate as time is moving forward. What will be observed is only an unmoving  snapshot of the NH forever never changing.

The question postmodernist city boy Joe needs to ask himself is 'can a tree start growing in mid air with unsupported branches' or do 'adults grow into children'.




---------------------QUOTE-------------------

I provided a definition of nested hierarchy that stated nested hierarchies involve levels which consist of, and contain, lower levels.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Not levels, branches.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

That means if defining characteristics are lost then containment is also lost, therefor nested hierarchy is lost.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Branchless leaves? I think not.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


And if defining characteristics stay the same then we remain with that set- no nested hierarchy.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Wrong.
Why Joe?



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


  Note how, as in any hierarchic system, the divisions are clear in a systematic way, becoming increasingly intense as the hierarchy is ascended.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



We are not talking about your boss climbing the corporate ladder we are talking about a way of mapping and understanding a history of life in a graphical manner.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------


After reasoning with these dolts didn’t work I asked them to provide an example of a nested hierarchy in which the characteristics were not additive.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Dolts and reasoning don't go together do they?.....Joe?



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Did they provide one?

Nope. Instead Kellogg pulled his head out of his ass long enough to tell me that I am incapable of being reasoned with!

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



And your point?



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

And yet he has never provided any reasoning to support his position!!!!

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Well actually Joe, you have provided the evidence to support Kellogg's position.... time and again



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Argument from ass.
Posted by: olegt on April 12 2009,07:20

Little Joe hasn't had anyone to play with lately.  No one posts on his blog and even fellow UD creationists ignore him.  He's < so ronery >!

ETA: He < begs > for someone---anyone---to show up, insulting them at the same time:

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
TP?

Does this- your absence- mean that you didn't have a point?

And Touch-hole-

What happened to you?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Awwwww...
Posted by: Leftfield on April 22 2009,13:18

Quote (olegt @ April 12 2009,07:20)
Little Joe hasn't had anyone to play with lately.  No one posts on his blog and even fellow UD creationists ignore him.  He's < so ronery >!

ETA: He < begs > for someone---anyone---to show up, insulting them at the same time:  

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
TP?

Does this- your absence- mean that you didn't have a point?

And Touch-hole-

What happened to you?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Awwwww...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Little Joe hasn't had anyone to play with lately.  
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



As Mynamehere, I'm trying to communicate with him on the nested hierarchies issue. After I started, I realized that I don't even know why it's an issue! But hey, it's all about getting some insight into how other people see the universe.

E (because I can, and) TA: linky: < https://www.blogger.com/comment....4076646 >
Posted by: Leftfield on April 23 2009,10:44

It may be useless to try and understand him, but does anybody know what Joe means when he says:

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Umm the whole tree [of life] is caput, not just the base.

But that is NOT evidence against universal common descent.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



How can the caputness of the tree of life not be evidence against universal common descent?

< On this thread. >

Yes, I know it's kaput with a k, but there's only so many hours in a day.
Posted by: blipey on April 23 2009,15:07

Quote (Leftfield @ April 23 2009,10:44)
It may be useless to try and understand him, but does anybody know what Joe means when he says:

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Umm the whole tree [of life] is caput, not just the base.

But that is NOT evidence against universal common descent.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



How can the caputness of the tree of life not be evidence against universal common descent?

< On this thread. >

Yes, I know it's kaput with a k, but there's only so many hours in a day.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


No, nobody understands anything Joe says.  I believe the primary reason for this is that Joe has no grasp of nor regard for basics.  He attacks everything and everyone from the end result and will never even venture an opinion on basic building blocks, rules, hypotheses, etc.

To Joe there is only a peanut butter sandwich--there is no bread, knife, or jar of peanut butter.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 23 2009,17:54

Quote (olegt @ April 12 2009,07:20)
Little Joe hasn't had anyone to play with lately.  No one posts on his blog and even fellow UD creationists ignore him.  He's < so ronery >!

ETA: He < begs > for someone---anyone---to show up, insulting them at the same time:

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
TP?

Does this- your absence- mean that you didn't have a point?

And Touch-hole-

What happened to you?

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Awwwww...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


touch hole bwaaa
Posted by: keiths on April 24 2009,08:15

Veteran Joe watchers:  Have you heard < this >?


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
BTW I was a staunch evolutionist until I started looking more closely at the scientific data while studying to be a zoologist/marine biologist.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


If so -- details, please!
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,08:19

is joe really a sock pulling this seinfeld thing on us

i often wondered in light of pretending to be a muslin if he wasn't pulling everyones leg

joe has even convinced himself that he is serious tho so all bets are off
Posted by: keiths on April 24 2009,08:33

Quote (keiths @ April 24 2009,06:15)
Veteran Joe watchers:  Have you heard < this >?


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
BTW I was a staunch evolutionist until I started looking more closely at the scientific data while studying to be a zoologist/marine biologist.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


If so -- details, please!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe < explains >:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Why did I leave biology?

Once I figured out the the theory of evolution was BS, I started challenging my professors only to learn that they only cared about defending the orthodoxy.

I went to school to learn not to be indoctrinated.

So I returned to my number one passion of electronic technology & electricty.

Engineering is far more challenging and rewarding than being a research scientist- and yes I have done both.

And I got to travel the world- every continent except Antartica and Austrailia- more countries than we have states.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


And probably did more damage to the image of the United States abroad than George W. hisself.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,08:48

his number one passion of electricty

is joe a sock
Posted by: keiths on April 24 2009,08:53

< Alan pwns Joe >:

Alan:  Just out of curiosity, Joe, was this for long, and was it at a recognized academic institution?

Joe:   Was what for long?

Alan:  The time you spent studying to be a marine biologist.

Joe:   And I doubt you would recognize any academic institution of higher learning.

Alan:  But I could write to them asking they improve their teaching on nested hierarchies.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,10:33

Quote (keiths @ April 24 2009,08:53)
< Alan pwns Joe >:

Alan:  Just out of curiosity, Joe, was this for long, and was it at a recognized academic institution?

Joe:   Was what for long?

Alan:  The time you spent studying to be a marine biologist.

Joe:   And I doubt you would recognize any academic institution of higher learning.

Alan:  But I could write to them asking they improve their teaching on nested hierarchies.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


bwaaaa

in the meantime...  where did you study marine biology?

i'm telling you i am afraid joe is a sock.  that is too close to seinfeld

joseph PM me you supreme bastard
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 24 2009,11:03

Joe G Thread

< http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....01;st=0 >

Joe G 'speriments:

< http://www.arn.org/ubbthre....=0&vc=1 >





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Many dealing with ion trap mobilty spectrometry & mass spectrometry. Many more dealing with electronic circuitry and electricity.

I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do.

Then there is astronomy. On any given night I can have 3 telescopes pointing skyward. 2 4,5" aps with a 910mm FL(one automated and one manual) as well as a 10" ap with an 1125mm FL.

And that is just the tip of the ole iceberg.

That doesn't count the experiments I conduct in my basement. Some labs would be jealous of the equipment I house & use there.

For example I now know that ticks are more attracted to watermelon rinds then they are to orange peels or orange slices. I also know that dragonflies play.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,11:15

that would have been handy during the cake warz

i think you could pin him down a bit re CSI etc just from the Why ID is scientifical thread
Posted by: midwifetoad on April 24 2009,11:37



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Someone is unfamiliar with security. In addition to a clearance, you must have a need to know for the specific information. And that assumes you are part of the project or in command over the project.
Posted by: AmandaHuginKiss on April 24 2009,11:57

Isn't it even illegal to say that you are working on something secret?
Posted by: k.e.. on April 24 2009,12:24

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ April 24 2009,19:57)
Isn't it even illegal to say that you are working on something secret?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He is srwsly talking out of his ass.

AND completely indistinguishable from a sock.


Come on, Joe come clean yur doing P-A-R-O-D-Y right?
Posted by: keiths on April 24 2009,16:09

Quote (k.e.. @ April 24 2009,10:24)
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ April 24 2009,19:57)
Isn't it even illegal to say that you are working on something secret?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He is srwsly talking out of his ass.

AND completely indistinguishable from a sock.


Come on, Joe come clean yur doing P-A-R-O-D-Y right?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I'm still convinced that Erasmus is Joe G.  It just makes too much sense.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,16:42

i guess it was the advertising of it that pointed it out to you.  shit.  

well now that i am caught...

ya see i like refrigerators because they don't say silly bullshit nonsense like you darwinists.  would you like to meet so i can write that on your forehead?  

who here can prove that the difference in the dodo and the auk is the result of unplanned random genetic accidents?  until then pound sand i do more science in my basement than all of you darwinists could dream of doing if you didn't use the academy like moneychangers.

allah akbar  i'm going to my blog and write a post about how nested hierarchies don't even exist and they prove that you are all a bunch of darwinist losers
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,17:02

so i went to his blog anyway  what a freak

from"Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant"


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Joe G said...
clowny,

Please let me know when you will be in New England again.

And please include where you will be performing along with the times.

9:39 AM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



someone is crushing on you blipes!
Posted by: carlsonjok on April 24 2009,17:07

Quote (keiths @ April 24 2009,16:09)
I'm still convinced that Erasmus is Joe G.  It just makes too much sense.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


On the surface, sure, it seems to fit.  They both come across as that homeless guy wandering around downtown babbling incoherently to himself, while wearing three sweaters and 4 coats in the middle of August.

But when you really listen to them, there is a big difference.  Erasmus is good-naturedly muttering about the fuzzy critters and pretty flowers.  Joe is going on about how he and AllahJesus are going to track you down and kick your ass.

HTH.
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 24 2009,17:11

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 24 2009,17:02)
so i went to his blog anyway  what a freak

from"Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant"


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Joe G said...
clowny,

Please let me know when you will be in New England again.

And please include where you will be performing along with the times.

9:39 AM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



someone is crushing on you blipes!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Trying to intimidate folks with an offering of a meeting is his go-to trick. Methinks real worldz Joe isn't as scary as interwebz Joe.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 24 2009,17:21



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Joe G said...
Entertainers provide a distraction from reality.

They are people who could not deal with their reality and therefor needed a life of pretend.

If all the entertainers just shut up the world would be a better place.

And clowny, you being a representative of entertainers should really shut up because all you have done is prove my point.

5:03 PM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



does he even know that he is an entertainer?

wow
Posted by: carlsonjok on April 24 2009,17:48

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 24 2009,17:21)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Joe G said...
Entertainers provide a distraction from reality.

They are people who could not deal with their reality and therefor needed a life of pretend.

If all the entertainers just shut up the world would be a better place.

And clowny, you being a representative of entertainers should really shut up because all you have done is prove my point.

5:03 PM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



does he even know that he is an entertainer?

wow
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Posted by: Richardthughes on April 24 2009,17:55

"You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen." - isn't it illegal to post that?
Posted by: Hermagoras on April 24 2009,18:13

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2009,17:55)
"You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen." - isn't it illegal to post that?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I've wondered about that.  But who would I call?  And I don't know Joe's identity.  (Unless someone here wants to PM me.)
Posted by: Alan Fox on April 25 2009,06:35

Quote (Hermagoras @ April 24 2009,13:13)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2009,17:55)
"You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen." - isn't it illegal to post that?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I've wondered about that.  But who would I call?  And I don't know Joe's identity.  (Unless someone here wants to PM me.)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He has at the very least to be in violation of < Blogger content policy >. As in favour as I am of the unfettered free exchange of ideas, I think Joe abuses the privilege. We should complain. As he has moderation enabled, I feel justified in complaining direct to Blogger without first attempting to get him to retract.
Posted by: Alan Fox on April 25 2009,06:43

< Maybe not. > Seems Blogger are very free-speech oriented.
Posted by: keiths on April 25 2009,07:15

On the other hand, there's < this >:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
VIOLENT CONTENT: Users may not publish direct threats of violence against any person or group of people.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Zachriel on April 25 2009,10:27



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a paternal family tree?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean the entire family tree of one's father. Or it can mean just the male line, such as when discussing male inheritance.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pidancier et al., Evolutionary history of the genus Capra, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution, 2006: The ancestral sorting hypothesis would imply that many divergent mtDNA and Y-chromosome lineages existed in the ancestral population gene pool. Subsequently, different lineages were randomly sorted into different daughter populations or taxa... This could also explain the discordance between the maternal and paternal tree topologies.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a patrilineage?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean a line of descent traced through the males, or it can refer to the groups related through a common male ancestor.

In any case, if we trace male ancestry, we have a line; if we trace male descent, we have a tree; if we group each male with his male descendents, then we have a nested hierarchy.
Posted by: blipey on April 25 2009,19:03

Quote (Zachriel @ April 25 2009,10:27)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a paternal family tree?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean the entire family tree of one's father. Or it can mean just the male line, such as when discussing male inheritance.



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pidancier et al., Evolutionary history of the genus Capra, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution, 2006: The ancestral sorting hypothesis would imply that many divergent mtDNA and Y-chromosome lineages existed in the ancestral population gene pool. Subsequently, different lineages were randomly sorted into different daughter populations or taxa... This could also explain the discordance between the maternal and paternal tree topologies.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a patrilineage?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean a line of descent traced through the males, or it can refer to the groups related through a common male ancestor.

In any case, if we trace male ancestry, we have a line; if we trace male descent, we have a tree; if we group each male with his male descendents, then we have a nested hierarchy.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hmmm.  It seems so simple. :)
Posted by: keiths on April 26 2009,06:18

Quote (blipey @ April 25 2009,17:03)
Quote (Zachriel @ April 25 2009,10:27)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a paternal family tree?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean the entire family tree of one's father. Or it can mean just the male line, such as when discussing male inheritance.

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pidancier et al., Evolutionary history of the genus Capra, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution, 2006: The ancestral sorting hypothesis would imply that many divergent mtDNA and Y-chromosome lineages existed in the ancestral population gene pool. Subsequently, different lineages were randomly sorted into different daughter populations or taxa... This could also explain the discordance between the maternal and paternal tree topologies.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: What is a patrilineage?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It can mean a line of descent traced through the males, or it can refer to the groups related through a common male ancestor.

In any case, if we trace male ancestry, we have a line; if we trace male descent, we have a tree; if we group each male with his male descendents, then we have a nested hierarchy.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hmmm.  It seems so simple. :)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Unfortunately, Joe is even simpler.
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on April 26 2009,06:40

I have to wonder where Joe thinks he's going, in his mind does he have a chance at redefining words and their accepted usage simply by being an ass on a blog probably only 10 people read? And only then for laughs?
Posted by: carlsonjok on April 26 2009,07:27

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 26 2009,06:40)
I have to wonder where Joe thinks he's going, in his mind does he have a chance at redefining words and their accepted usage simply by being an ass on a blog probably only 10 people read? And only then for laughs?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joseph has spent his life wrestling with the vast body of scientific knowledge.  I think it is fair to say that, at this point, Joseph has finally won out over it.

H/T Elwood P. Dowd
Posted by: slpage on April 26 2009,16:26

Quote (keiths @ April 24 2009,08:15)
Veteran Joe watchers:  Have you heard < this >?


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
BTW I was a staunch evolutionist until I started looking more closely at the scientific data while studying to be a zoologist/marine biologist.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


If so -- details, please!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I guess that was before he decided to go to electronics engineering (i.e., technician) school.

I have heard that line so often ('I used ot be an evo until I did research') that I typically do not read past the "I used to be an evo..." part.  Each and EVERY time I have heard or read someone make that claim, it has turned out to be completely false.

Joe Gallien was never studying to be anything other than a technician wannabe.
Posted by: keiths on April 26 2009,23:36

It turns out that Joe was just < following Darwin's example > when he converted to Islam.
Posted by: Zachriel on April 27 2009,15:14



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: Would the sketch artist be able to draw something with the input of "father of"? Absolutely not.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, knowing the father would certainly narrow the possibilities. Here are two fathers, for instance,

< >

< >

You have to look closely, but I think you should be able to tell the difference.
Posted by: damitall on April 28 2009,07:02

Quote (Zachriel @ April 27 2009,15:14)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Joseph >: Would the sketch artist be able to draw something with the input of "father of"? Absolutely not.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, knowing the father would certainly narrow the possibilities. Here are two fathers, for instance,

< >

< >

You have to look closely, but I think you should be able to tell the difference.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------




Yeah, easy.

But what kind of tree is that blue bird at the bottom sittin' on?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 28 2009,08:15

Quote (keiths @ April 26 2009,23:36)
It turns out that Joe was just < following Darwin's example > when he converted to Islam.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


there is some good isht on that page

< The Mystery Of The Cattle >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The Cow is a sacred animal in Hinduism…weird?

The Cow is the name of the longest sura ‘chapter’ in the Qur’an…more weird?

The Cow was the first god the monotheist Jews worshipped immediately after leaving Egypt to Sinai…oohh…that is really weird!

Dr Mark Thomas, UCL published a paper in February 2007 revealing for the first time that Europeans developed the gene lactase which produces the enzyme lactase that digests the sugar lactose only 7000 years ago. He concluded that Europeans could not have digested cow’s milk, rich in lactose, before these dates. He assumed that cows must have been introduced to Europe from the Middle East around that time, which must have triggered the evolutionary changes and created the gene lactase…since it is evolutionarily explained, then it is not very weird!

But does Dr Thomas, or any other scientist, have any evidence that there was a single cow on earth before this date?

The general perception amongst evolutionists is that: all species have evolved from one common origin, although there is no concrete evidence that there are no exceptions to this generalisation.

This book proves beyond doubt that the common origin of all species was divinely revealed in all the scriptures, but was ill understood a long time before it reached Darwin . We have identified, within half a square mile, the location where the first ever living cell appeared, as well as identified the exceptions to the earthly evolution.

Camels, cows, sheep and goats were created outside this planet and were brought down to the ape man ‘ Adams ’ after they were converted to intelligent beings. This Extraterrestrial Evolution serves three main purposes:

1. It proves that all living beings on Earth evolved from one cell, the exception being the four ET creatures.

2. The ‘cattle’ civilised the ape man and took him away from hunting wildlife, as they used to do before the conversion. Their presence was a key factor in the psychosocial development of the early intelligent man.

3. The swift integration between the two ‘evolutions’ proves that it is all an Intelligent Divine Design, not spontaneous evolution.



The Mysterious connection of the ‘cattle’ with various religions and their place in the evolution was revealed when the Shajara Code was decoded!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



It seems we have a muslim dembski.

weird!

word.
Posted by: Gunthernacus on April 28 2009,12:14

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 28 2009,09:15)
Quote (keiths @ April 26 2009,23:36)
It turns out that Joe was just < following Darwin's example > when he converted to Islam.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


there is some good isht on that page

< The Mystery Of The Cattle >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The Cow is a sacred animal in Hinduism…weird?

The Cow is the name of the longest sura ‘chapter’ in the Qur’an…more weird?

The Cow was the first god the monotheist Jews worshipped immediately after leaving Egypt to Sinai…oohh…that is really weird!

Dr Mark Thomas, UCL published a paper in February 2007 revealing for the first time that Europeans developed the gene lactase which produces the enzyme lactase that digests the sugar lactose only 7000 years ago. He concluded that Europeans could not have digested cow’s milk, rich in lactose, before these dates. He assumed that cows must have been introduced to Europe from the Middle East around that time, which must have triggered the evolutionary changes and created the gene lactase…since it is evolutionarily explained, then it is not very weird!

But does Dr Thomas, or any other scientist, have any evidence that there was a single cow on earth before this date?

The general perception amongst evolutionists is that: all species have evolved from one common origin, although there is no concrete evidence that there are no exceptions to this generalisation.

This book proves beyond doubt that the common origin of all species was divinely revealed in all the scriptures, but was ill understood a long time before it reached Darwin . We have identified, within half a square mile, the location where the first ever living cell appeared, as well as identified the exceptions to the earthly evolution.

Camels, cows, sheep and goats were created outside this planet and were brought down to the ape man ‘ Adams ’ after they were converted to intelligent beings. This Extraterrestrial Evolution serves three main purposes:

1. It proves that all living beings on Earth evolved from one cell, the exception being the four ET creatures.

2. The ‘cattle’ civilised the ape man and took him away from hunting wildlife, as they used to do before the conversion. Their presence was a key factor in the psychosocial development of the early intelligent man.

3. The swift integration between the two ‘evolutions’ proves that it is all an Intelligent Divine Design, not spontaneous evolution.



The Mysterious connection of the ‘cattle’ with various religions and their place in the evolution was revealed when the Shajara Code was decoded!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



It seems we have a muslim dembski.

weird!

word.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Holy Cow!
Posted by: Henry J on April 28 2009,16:36

So the question now is "where's the beef?" Huh.
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 28 2009,21:39

Guess who's responsible for Hitler? Go on, guess...


< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 29 2009,11:13

He's still at it...

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....0247410 >
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 29 2009,11:25



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Also there is From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004), a peer-reviewed scholarly book with 233 pages of text and 808 footnotes.-

I bet every argument you can make is refuted in it.

I will get a copy and let you know.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



"This book I haven't read destroys your argument!"
Posted by: blipey on April 29 2009,11:44

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 29 2009,11:25)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Also there is From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004), a peer-reviewed scholarly book with 233 pages of text and 808 footnotes.-

I bet every argument you can make is refuted in it.

I will get a copy and let you know.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



"This book I haven't read destroys your argument!"
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


But, from Behe's devastating trial performance, we know that it is unnecessary to read.  This is seconded by Ftk, so we know it's true.
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 29 2009,11:46

I wont let facts get in the way of your preconceptions!
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 29 2009,12:08

wow.

which one of you guys is joe again
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 29 2009,12:09

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 29 2009,12:08)
wow.

which one of you guys is joe again
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


based on his latest, Denyse.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 29 2009,12:13

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 29 2009,12:09)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 29 2009,12:08)
wow.

which one of you guys is joe again
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


based on his latest, Denyse.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


bwaaaaaaaaaaa

now joe being a muslim makes sense

watch

obama is a muslim

joe is a muslim

joe is denise

< densie is the antichrist >

we already knew obama was the antichrist

therefore O'leary is Obama
Posted by: blipey on April 30 2009,11:12

Unable to come up with even one reason why entertainers are useless, or why he defines entertainers as only actors, Joe has banned me from his blog.  At least, he publishes none of my comments on any thread (entertainment or nested hierarchy).

If he can't even give an example of why he thinks actors are useless (and entertainment more generally), why does he think he can discuss the much more detailed world of biology?

Too funny.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on April 30 2009,15:40

Quote (blipey @ April 30 2009,11:12)
Unable to come up with even one reason why entertainers are useless, or why he defines entertainers as only actors, Joe has banned me from his blog.  At least, he publishes none of my comments on any thread (entertainment or nested hierarchy).

If he can't even give an example of why he thinks actors are useless (and entertainment more generally), why does he think he can discuss the much more detailed world of biology?

Too funny.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


joe just wants to be ugly.  it is a culture war for him and you are now a symbol of all that is wrong with the enemy.

blipey!  you are now more than the sum of your parts!
Posted by: Dazza McTrazza on May 01 2009,16:44

JoeTard teaches Rich a little something about skepticism:

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Rich Hughes said...
Joe, did you go to the URL? all the quotes are from a primary source: Hitler.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Joe G said...
Yes I went to the link.

And yes those quotes are ALLEGEDLY from Hitler.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Rich Hughes said...
"And yes those quotes are ALLEGEDLY from Hitler."

They're from 'mein kampf' and noted speaches he gave. Is there no limit to your denialsim?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



If you have trouble convincing someone that excerpts from Mein Kampf can be accurately attributed to Hitler, you might be fighting a losing battle...
Posted by: Dazza McTrazza on May 01 2009,16:51

Sorry forgot < linky >
Posted by: Richardthughes on May 18 2009,13:27

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1 >




---------------------QUOTE-------------------
blipey,

Seeing that you are reading this-

I have told you what you have to do in order for your comments to be posted.

You keep refusing to do it.

That means you are an asshole and you are being dealt with in that light.

Ya see clownie your first posts on my blog you tried to accuse me of a sentence splice.

Once I proved the splice was all in your little-bitty head you disappeared only to come back to make another series of unsupported claims and false accusations.

Now in this case you can't even understand the basics of the English language.

There isn't any dealing with people like you.

Not on blogs anyway.

So please inform me of when you are back in this area, when and where you will be performing.

We can finish all of this "discussion" then.

9:11 PM

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Why is "discussion" in quotes?
Posted by: blipey on May 18 2009,18:16



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Why is "discussion" in quotes?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Because it's scary?
Posted by: BWE on May 19 2009,02:01

oi. Didn't this stuff all go away after Dover?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on May 19 2009,22:36

blipey Joe wants to mate with you and test your offspring



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for clownie I am finished trying to have a discussion with it.

So if it has something to say to me it can do so face to face.

We can then run a simple test of natural selection.

7:39 AM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



by the way joe has started a new blog that contains < all his best ideas >
Posted by: blipey on May 20 2009,15:49

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 19 2009,22:36)
blipey Joe wants to mate with you and test your offspring



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for clownie I am finished trying to have a discussion with it.

So if it has something to say to me it can do so face to face.

We can then run a simple test of natural selection.

7:39 AM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



by the way joe has started a new blog that contains < all his best ideas >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That's certainly not ALL of them?
Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on May 20 2009,17:18

Quote (blipey @ May 20 2009,16:49)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 19 2009,22:36)
blipey Joe wants to mate with you and test your offspring

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for clownie I am finished trying to have a discussion with it.

So if it has something to say to me it can do so face to face.

We can then run a simple test of natural selection.

7:39 AM
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



by the way joe has started a new blog that contains < all his best ideas >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That's certainly not ALL of them?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Of course not.  Just the good ones.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 14 2009,22:55

< joe is vying for New DaveTard >

hilarious read.  y'all kept that fool right ON the edge of absolutely flipping the eff out.  playing it like a diddle twiddle too.  Joe is one of the great Tards.  threads like this one should be in some kind of shrine.  joe is a threat to those around him in general but mostly hisself in particular.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 15 2009,08:58

He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
Posted by: Lou FCD on June 15 2009,19:42

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,09:58)
He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That was some funny stuff right there.

Ask him a few more times for the baseball CSI number, and I would REALLY like to know what specifically was wrong with blipey's experiment.

<chuckle>
Posted by: blipey on June 17 2009,11:19

Joe's now gone back to not publishing my comments because they upset him (or at least his ability to answer questions).  If he can't deal with people on a blog where he can pretend to be a bigshot, how the hell is he going to react when actually confronted with people reality?
Posted by: Louis on June 17 2009,11:43

Quote (blipey @ June 17 2009,17:19)
Joe's now gone back to not publishing my comments because they upset him (or at least his ability to answer questions).  If he can't deal with people on a blog where he can pretend to be a bigshot, how the hell is he going to react when actually confronted with people reality?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joe can has feer ov klownz?

Like a fiend he can!

Louis
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 17 2009,11:46

oooooooooooooh no he dint



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Rich Hughes said...
Joe, put up or shut up. Let's have a number. don't make others do your work. Be accountable. You don't walk the talk, you mumble the stumble.

But I'm fine with you hurting ID like you do.

11:56 PM

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



bwaaaaaaahahahaha

blipey kicks joe in the koran



---------------------QUOTE-------------------

blipey said...
On the value of numbers:

Cake baking instructions (you should be familiar, Joe).

1. Turn the oven to hot.

2. Turn the oven to 400 F.

Which is more useful?

The CSI of a baseball.

1. Lots.

2. 3,751.

The interesting thing here is that either answer is probably as good as the other. But not that Joe would know why.

8:06 AM
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joe is in full rage mode though and he aint tryin to be hearin all that

rich has a way with joe



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Rich Hughes said...
So to make anything at all designed, all I have to do (ignoring the substrate of language which has its own, unique information ramifications) is to describe it at sufficient length. Fascinating! everything MUST be designed. Should I now buy your book?

1:37 PM
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joe is the < kinda guy i must have been thinking of > earlier but i didn't have him in mind.  the sorta dummy that says biology is stamp collecting etc.  

this is for the ages



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Joe G said...
You can't think of a reason that a baking temperature would be handy?-

No I don't see how it relates to anything in this thread.

And it is very telling that neither you nor Rich can provide a valid reason why a specific number is required for a baseball.

And that you had to switch to an oven temp setting proves that you are a deceptive faggot.

7:22 AM
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blipey is toying with his emotions!  lololololololololol

"i am saving this thread it's hilarious har har ur dumb" gets this response from joe

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I am saving this thread also.

It is further proof that you are a bleeding asshole.
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it's like NO I'M SAVING THIS THREAD.  MINE.

joe is still wanting something hard from this position



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Joe G said...
BTW I am still waiting for anything rigorous from your position.

10:34 AM
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dsksdhkl;sagsdh;as roflmao



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Rich Hughes said...
Sure. What (numerically) is the CSI of a baseball?

10:58 PM

Joe G said...
What (numerically) is the CSI of a baseball?-

What does that mean Richie?

That question doesn't even make any sense from an ID perspective.

No one in ID asks "what is the CSI of x?"

The question asked is "does X contain CSI?"

That is all one requires in order to verify the design inference.

Asking for anything beyond that is just proof of anal-retentiveness, stupidity and ignorance.

7:26 AM
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< hahahahahahahaha >  

joe breaks the toy



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Joe G said...
for blipey:

Do you know the difference between a patrilineage and a paternal family tree? If you answer "yes" please provide examples of both so that we can verify your answer.

Don't bother posting here until you answer that.

And after that there are more questions you have to answer.-

And one more thing for you to ignore:

Ya see CSI is 500 bits of specified information. And once CSI has been determined the design inference is solidified.-

THAT is what CSI means.

Not that I expect you to understand any of that.

10:40 AM
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oh man oh man.  i am saving this thread too joe.  that is some damn good internetz right'ar.
Posted by: carlsonjok on June 17 2009,12:27

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 17 2009,11:46)
joe is in full rage mode though and he aint tryin to be hearin all that
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Whenever I see Joe getting all macho in the intertubes, I always have this picture of him as Kip from Napoleon Dynamite.

< See what I mean? >
Posted by: olegt on June 17 2009,12:49

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,08:58)
He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
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That's a piece of < cake >, as we know.
Posted by: GCUGreyArea on June 17 2009,15:40

Quote (olegt @ June 17 2009,12:49)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,08:58)
He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
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That's a piece of < cake >, as we know.
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Ha, great reading for an evenings entertainment.

I decided to chip in, but I await mighty Joes moderation...


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Hilarious, Joe I haven't laughed so much in ages.

If I gave you a recipe describing how to turn hydrogen and oxygen into water would the water then contain all the information required to tell you how to turn hydrogen and oxygen into water? Would it contain more information than if I just gave you some water I found?

Do cakes contain their own recipes, even if the recipe involves making water from H and O instead of obtaining it ready made?

If a cake is made by a process that destroys evidence relating to the steps that are required to create it then how can it contain its own recipe?

Dumbass.

Oh, I nearly forgot - why 500 bits and not 499?
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Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on June 17 2009,16:24

Quote (blipey @ June 17 2009,12:19)
Joe's now gone back to not publishing my comments because they upset him (or at least his ability to answer questions).  If he can't deal with people on a blog where he can pretend to be a bigshot, how the hell is he going to react when actually confronted with people reality?
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Why worry about something so unlikely?
Posted by: Occam's Toothbrush on June 17 2009,16:25

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,09:58)
He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
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But since you can't prove he can't do it, ID wins by default.
Posted by: blipey on June 17 2009,18:04

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ June 17 2009,16:25)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 15 2009,09:58)
He's still going. He sure can calculate CSI, he just wont do it.
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But since you can't prove he can't do it, ID wins by default.
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Brilliant!  ID in a nutshell.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 17 2009,21:57

hahahah that is getting better and better.  joe is almost purple by now



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Joe G said...
Joe, f you can't even deal with me on a blog where you don't even have to see me, how the fuck are you going to react when we're face to face.-

I am dealing with you, you stupid fuck and I have a very good idea what will happen if we are ever face to face.

3:34 PM
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blipey is poking him right in the spot man now i swannee.  rich is poking him on the other side



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Joe G said...
Some quick questions to help us both have a common frame of reference:

What is CSI?-


Geez Rich if you don't know then what the fuck are you arguing for?

But anyway CSI stands for Complex Specified Information.

500 bits of specified information = CSI.

Again that 500 bit threshold is the UPB- already mentioned above- by YOU.

Read "No Free Lunch".

Is it an empirical measure?-

Yes it is based on observation and experience. And yes it can be measured by counting the bits.

Just as I have been telling you for what months, years?

How much do you think is required for a "design inference"?-

Again once that 500 bit threshold is reached design is just about as proven as one can get.

However that 500 bit threshold is for the UPB.

But as I said above CSI is more of a verification.

You don't even have to know anything about CSI to make a design inference.

Then someone else could come along see if that initial design inference is solidified by checking the information- ie what it took to make the object/ event in question.

The basic way to determine design is to look for signs of counterflow.

And again I have been over all of this many times so I don't know if one more time is going to do any good.

You guys think that your ignorance is some kind of refutation and that is very entertaining indeed.

3:46 PM

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I am not a teacher. This is not a public school. And blipey is just another piece of shit coward who says shit and then never backs it up.

IOW clownie is the controversy. And it is impossible to teach it anything.

As with you the only reason he is against ID is because of some alleged majority of scientists many who most likely don't even understand the debate.

3:49 PM
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priceless



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Rich Hughes said...
So how come you can't calculate it then, for a baseball?

3:55 PM

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hahahahahahahahah  

how does he respond?



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Joe G said...
So how come you can't calculate it then, for a baseball?-

Calculate what?

Do you understand English?

Measurement- Do you understand the word "measurement"?

If you really want to know whether or not a baseball has CSI just follow the directions.

If you are too stupid to follow the directions then there isn't anything else I can do for you.

4:38 PM

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man what a great tard
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 17 2009,22:06

in the 'marriage is a right' post joe is not letting blipeys comments through but is responding to them any how in the comments, mostly insults and taunts "I know you're reading this".  what a frikkin great tard.  here is a jewel



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Joe G said...
There's a reason we don't give children voting rights and full autonomy, even if some are smarter than me-

Perhaps, but that does not mean it is a valid reason and also we aren't talking about voting, are we?

As for clownie I am finished trying to have a discussion with it.

So if it has something to say to me it can do so face to face.

We can then run a simple test of natural selection.

7:39 AM
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Rich Hughes said...
I wouldn't advise it Joe. I'd hate for you to get at ass kicking.

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bless you two crazy bastids.  that is art what you have done to joe.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 18 2009,00:18

Some have socks... I have a puppet on a string.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 18 2009,00:23

yeah with your charisma rich you might unite the tards!  do not go to the dark side.  you speak their language yet you are not of them.  they will hail thee as prophet and hie upon thee great esteem and reward and thou shalt bring a spirit of divisiveness into their midst and turn them against one another, verily, they shall never agree on the biblical method of baptistry nor FCSI either.

-ps while you are programming joe see if you can get some more out of him about this muslim business.  blipey has done made him so mad that he has flipped out maybe he needs a distraction.  shhhh hes lookin
Posted by: Richard Simons on June 18 2009,08:02

I wanted to comment that, according to his description, the CSI of a baseball is way more than that of an aardvark then get him to justify it, but I've lost my password and can't be bothered to go through the rigmarole of getting back on. Perhaps someone who can easily comment there could ask him about it.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 18 2009,08:25



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like knowing full well you quit but also knowing equally fully well that there is half a pack in the freezer...  not really going over it just idle daydreaming...  no chance of smoking a cigarette just knowing that they are there and if you had to...  nuclear holocaust or something...  maybe tomorrow..  joes blog is still there.  when all the tard dries up, Joe is conversing with rich on his blog.  llllllololol
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 18 2009,17:44

back in the gym rich is trying to get joe to show his junk work




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Joe G said...
So how come you can't calculate it then, for a baseball?-

Calculate what?

Do you understand English?

Measurement- Do you understand the word "measurement"?

If you really want to know whether or not a baseball has CSI just follow the directions.

If you are too stupid to follow the directions then there isn't anything else I can do for you.

4:38 PM

Rich Hughes said...
I don't want my number (which I know is wrong) Joe. I want yours. what is it? Please show your workings.

9:39 AM

Joe G said...
I don't want my number (which I know is wrong) Joe.-

How do you know its wrong?

Did you follow the directions?

I want yours.-

And I don't care what you want.

I have provided more than enough to satisfy all but the incompetent and impotent assholes.

And as I said yesterday- there isn't anything else I can do for you.

12:04 PM

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is it just a coincidence of chance and necessity that joe writes "impotent" and "assholes" in the same breath?  or is he < thinking about something else? >

are there any questions to which joe does not know the answer?  when joe wrestles with such a question, how does he go about answering it?  i'm just wondering
Posted by: blipey on June 22 2009,09:12

Joe reveals that he doesn't know the difference between a napkin and welding.

< Not welding. >

I've posted a comment he has refused to publish on either thread:



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I can design a car on a napkin.  This is not a mechanism to make the car.  The mechanisms to make a car would inlude things like WELDING, CUTTING, WIRING, etc.

You do see the difference between "design" and "welding" right?
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Must be too difficult to answer. :)
Posted by: Richard Simons on June 22 2009,13:00

Quote (blipey @ June 22 2009,09:12)
Joe reveals that he doesn't know the difference between a napkin and welding.

< Not welding. >

I've posted a comment he has refused to publish on either thread:



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I can design a car on a napkin.  This is not a mechanism to make the car.  The mechanisms to make a car would inlude things like WELDING, CUTTING, WIRING, etc.

You do see the difference between "design" and "welding" right?
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Must be too difficult to answer. :)
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He got the definition of design from Mirriam-Webster so I'm surprised that he did not publish your comment then ridicule you for imagining you know better than the dictionary (but it is a rather odd definition).
Posted by: J-Dog on June 22 2009,13:27

Quote (blipey @ June 22 2009,09:12)
Joe reveals that he doesn't know the difference between a napkin and welding.

< Not welding. >

I've posted a comment he has refused to publish on either thread:



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I can design a car on a napkin.  This is not a mechanism to make the car.  The mechanisms to make a car would inlude things like WELDING, CUTTING, WIRING, etc.

You do see the difference between "design" and "welding" right?
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Must be too difficult to answer. :)
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I don't think Joe even knows the difference between a napkin and his "wedding tackle".  Of course, being an IDC advocate, this probably does not affect him an a day-to-day basis.
Posted by: midwifetoad on June 22 2009,16:01



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He got the definition of design from Mirriam-Webster so I'm surprised that he did not publish your comment then ridicule you for imagining you know better than the dictionary (but it is a rather odd definition).

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In the universe the rest of us live in his syllogism is known as the fallacy of equivocation.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 24 2009,12:07

He's still going.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 25 2009,10:38

He just linked to conservapedia to show me what's what.




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Posted by: Tracy on June 25 2009,11:59

Hello.

My name is Tracy, and I have a tardcrush on Joe G.

This tardcrush consumes my waking hours.  It burns with the heat of a thousand suns.  It makes Mark Sanford’s lust for his piece of Argentine tail pale by comparison.

Every utterance, every insult, every intelligence-free statement committed to teh intertubes by Joe G only makes my crush for him grow.  This tardcrush is truly the love that dare not speak its name.  But yet, speak it – nay, shout it – I must.

Please, help me.  For the love of God, help me.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 25 2009,12:06

Tracy, I'm prepared to facilitate an introduction. I'm sure if you virtually cross paths he'll get 'round to offering to  "meet you face to face to sort things out" - it's his MO.

He is the dream package, intellectual and handyman all rolled together.
Posted by: J-Dog on June 25 2009,12:14

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 25 2009,12:06)
Tracy, I'm prepared to facilitate an introduction. I'm sure if you virtually cross paths he'll get 'round to offering to  "meet you face to face to sort things out" - it's his MO.

He is the dream package, intellectual and handyman all rolled together.
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Where intellectual means - able to read and believe an entire Chick Track at a single sitting...[
Posted by: Tracy P. Hamilton on June 25 2009,12:17

Quote (Tracy @ June 25 2009,11:59)
Hello.

My name is Tracy, and I have a tardcrush on Joe G.

This tardcrush consumes my waking hours.  It burns with the heat of a thousand suns.  It makes Mark Sanford’s lust for his piece of Argentine tail pale by comparison.

Every utterance, every insult, every intelligence-free statement committed to teh intertubes by Joe G only makes my crush for him grow.  This tardcrush is truly the love that dare not speak its name.  But yet, speak it – nay, shout it – I must.

Please, help me.  For the love of God, help me.
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I swear that is not me!

(Do I protest too much?)
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 25 2009,12:19

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ June 25 2009,12:17)
Quote (Tracy @ June 25 2009,11:59)
Hello.

My name is Tracy, and I have a tardcrush on Joe G.

This tardcrush consumes my waking hours.  It burns with the heat of a thousand suns.  It makes Mark Sanford’s lust for his piece of Argentine tail pale by comparison.

Every utterance, every insult, every intelligence-free statement committed to teh intertubes by Joe G only makes my crush for him grow.  This tardcrush is truly the love that dare not speak its name.  But yet, speak it – nay, shout it – I must.

Please, help me.  For the love of God, help me.
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I swear that is not me!

(Do I protest too much?)
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Unfortunately, Tracy, Joe's experience with black opps helicopters and fake moon landings will let him see right through your plausible-deniability ruse.

But at least when he whispers your name, it'll be *your* name.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 26 2009,09:57

he's still going. Now design uses evolution and its mechanisms. Not sure what that feedback will sound like in the EF...
Posted by: blipey on June 26 2009,10:41

I just asked him to compare the CSI of a softball and a similar sized boulder and whether he could determine which was designed.  He said the request didn't make sense so I asked a few simple yes/no questions.  I'm VERY interested in answers to these questions--I know I will get none however, and that makes me sad.

The questions:

1.  Does a softball have CSI?
2.  Does a boulder have CSI?
3.  Does one or the other have more CSI?
4.  Can we determine design by looking at the CSI?
5.  Does it matter if we are in NY or Miami?
Posted by: blipey on June 26 2009,14:44

< Joe doesn't know what a softball is. >
Posted by: Raevmo on June 28 2009,13:40

Does anyone have a link to Joe G/ID guy/etc declaring himself to be muslim?
Posted by: k.e.. on June 28 2009,14:24

Quote (Raevmo @ June 28 2009,21:40)
Does anyone have a link to Joe G/ID guy/etc declaring himself to be muslim?
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It was thrown in the Mississippi River.
Posted by: mattnoks on June 29 2009,12:52

This site has a bunch of great quotes to use on topics of science and philosophy.

< http://www.nonastrologer.com >
Posted by: J-Dog on June 29 2009,13:48

Quote (blipey @ June 26 2009,14:44)
< Joe doesn't know what a softball is. >
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To be entirely fair to Joey G, there are several types of softballs:
1.  12" high-density for fast-pitch (usually yellow colored).
2.  14" used by slow-pitch co-ed teams.
3.  16" "Chicago Clincher" used in the midwest - players do not use gloves, and drink a lot of beer and fall down a lot while playing.

I'm guessing Joey G would be a true star in teh 16" leagues, because he could repair the team's beer cooler if it broke.

For true hillarity ask Joe G to compare and contrast the CSI of a Clincher and a baseball.
Posted by: blipey on June 29 2009,23:05

Joe now is unsure how to make ice.  I love this guy.

And which one of you lovely bastards is Hawk?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 29 2009,23:14

Quote (blipey @ June 30 2009,00:05)
Joe now is unsure how to make ice.  I love this guy.

And which one of you lovely bastards is Hawk?
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joe is a master science-er-er-er



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You suck at science...
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lolololol THAT is what you call a "dumb bastard" around here



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It's a measurement not a calculation.
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hahahahaha



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It looks like this thread is finished.
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when did it start?

lololol i love the poor dumb bastard too
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on June 29 2009,23:24

from the richiehughes *swoon* thread



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I would say if you falsify all the proposed instances then the concept is moot.

Duh.

That is why starting with the highest known level of IC would squash ID if found to be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.
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duh.  that frikking kills me.

then we have the new thread



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 Hawks said...
From the other thread:Hawks:
As for the CSI of a softball, I count 193 bits. What do you get, Joe?

How did you arrive at 193 bits?


Like you said, it actually was quite easy to do:

I first listed the bill of materials.
Then I measured how tight the core was wrapped.
I measured the direction of wrapping.
I measured the amount of materials.
I measured the cut of the cover.
I measured how it was sewn.
I measured it's specifications for weight, diameter and rebound.

I got anywhere from 193 to 211 bits, but used the lower number to be on the safe side.

That's how I did it.

Did we get similar results?

9:59 AM
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Joe G said...
Hawks,

Seeing there are 5 bits of information per character your math appears to be way off.

Neither 193 nor 211 is divisible by 5.

That said, where did you get the bill of materials?

Did you get it from a legit source? You know a source that actually makes softballs?

IOW as Richie said "show your work".

10:14 AM
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god damn that is funny.  joe goes from attack kitten to attack merkin in two shakes of a one eyed cat.



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Joe G said...
Hawks, that's the best post on IR I've ever seen.-

And yet it is full of mistakes.

The first is obvious- how to get 193 bits from a configuration of 5 bits per character.

I would bet he counted 193 characters, not bits.

That is why I need to see his work.

Without that I could say some other number and then say it is up to you to prove me wrong.

10:26 AM
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ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again?

wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar
Posted by: Tracy on June 30 2009,09:42

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 29 2009,23:24)
ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again?

wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar
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Joe, my beloved tardcrush.  Please don't change.
Posted by: khan on June 30 2009,14:46

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 30 2009,00:24)
from the richiehughes *swoon* thread

 

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I would say if you falsify all the proposed instances then the concept is moot.

Duh.

That is why starting with the highest known level of IC would squash ID if found to be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.
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duh.  that frikking kills me.

then we have the new thread

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
 Hawks said...
From the other thread:Hawks:
As for the CSI of a softball, I count 193 bits. What do you get, Joe?

How did you arrive at 193 bits?


Like you said, it actually was quite easy to do:

I first listed the bill of materials.
Then I measured how tight the core was wrapped.
I measured the direction of wrapping.
I measured the amount of materials.
I measured the cut of the cover.
I measured how it was sewn.
I measured it's specifications for weight, diameter and rebound.

I got anywhere from 193 to 211 bits, but used the lower number to be on the safe side.

That's how I did it.

Did we get similar results?

9:59 AM
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Joe G said...
Hawks,

Seeing there are 5 bits of information per character your math appears to be way off.

Neither 193 nor 211 is divisible by 5.

That said, where did you get the bill of materials?

Did you get it from a legit source? You know a source that actually makes softballs?

IOW as Richie said "show your work".

10:14 AM
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god damn that is funny.  joe goes from attack kitten to attack merkin in two shakes of a one eyed cat.

 

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Joe G said...
Hawks, that's the best post on IR I've ever seen.-

And yet it is full of mistakes.

The first is obvious- how to get 193 bits from a configuration of 5 bits per character.

I would bet he counted 193 characters, not bits.

That is why I need to see his work.

Without that I could say some other number and then say it is up to you to prove me wrong.

10:26 AM
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ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again?

wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar
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Forgive me if I've posted this before:


Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on July 02 2009,23:23



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Joe G said...
Hawks:
So, how far con you reduce the instructions for making ice?-

What's the point?

If you come across a frozen pond in Northern Canada in February, then chances are it is a natural occurrence.

Now if you come across a frozen pond in Florida during a typical Florida July, chances are there is something else at work.

But fuck all that.

I made a post and asked what it is about what I posted that you don't understand.

Focus on that or fuck-off.

10:29 PM
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hahahaha Joe is getting his shitty drawers in a knot
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But only because you friggin', materialist, Darwiniac morons can't answer questions!!!
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on July 06 2009,13:17

he is going to have an aneurysm
Posted by: Henry J on July 06 2009,15:05

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But only because you friggin', materialist, Darwiniac morons can't answer questions!!!
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Well of course people can't answer questions if comments have been disabled!!111!!!one!!! :p  :O  ???
Posted by: blipey on July 08 2009,15:03

JoeG < declares Polar Icecap Is A-Okay!!! >
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 08 2009,16:00

I suppose someone can fix just about anything if < this > fits their definition of "recovery":



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"The near-zero replenishment of the multi-year ice cover, combined with unusual exports of ice out of the Arctic after the summers of 2005 and 2007, have both played significant roles in the loss of Arctic sea ice volume," said Ron Kwok of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California who led the study.

Data from the study will help scientists to better understand how fast the volume of Arctic ice is decreasing and how soon the region might be "nearly ice-free in the summer," said Kwok.

A study published in April by the Colorado-based National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) also showed that the Arctic ice cap is thinner than ever and the maximum extent of Arctic ice was at an all-time low.

The same month, US researchers warned that the Arctic could be almost ice-free within 30 years, not 90 as scientists had previously estimated.

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Posted by: Henry J on July 08 2009,16:14

The northwest passage?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on July 08 2009,16:37

another Kwok!

and now there is one that is not immediately recognizable as pompous doosh.

that's 2 out of 3 for anyone counting
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 09 2009,08:55

Some more from the link I gave above:



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Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thick older ice shrinking by the equivalent of Alaska's land area, a study using data from a NASA satellite showed.

Using information from NASA's Ice, Cloud and Land Satellite (ICESat), scientists from the US space agency and the University of Washington in Seattle estimated both the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean's ice cover.

ICESat allows scientists to measure changes in the thickness and volume of Arctic ice, whereas previously scientists relied only on measurements of area to determine how much of the Arctic Ocean is covered in ice.

Scientists found that Arctic sea ice thinned some seven inches (17.8 centimeters) a year, or 2.2 feet (67 centimeters) over four winters, according to the study by NASA and the University of Washington, published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

They also found that thicker, older ice, which has survived one or more summers, shrank by 42 percent.

"Between 2004 and 2008, multi-year ice cover shrank 595,000 square miles (1.5 million square kilometers) -- nearly the size of Alaska's land area," a report of the study's findings said.

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Posted by: Richardthughes on July 17 2009,14:11

Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines:

< http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html >
Posted by: silverspoon on July 17 2009,22:02

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2009,14:11)
Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines:

< http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html >
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I wish I still had links where Joe G. (AKA John Paul) wrote he would accept a reptile with hooves as a TRUE transitional, and where he once told me the gas planets like Jupiter & Saturn were put there by the designer so Earth would be protected from asteroids and comets. I really miss his YEC arguments. Speaking of which, check out this < http://web.archive.org/web....s-f.htm > where he was a contributor to a YEC website.
Posted by: slpage on July 19 2009,17:48

Quote (silverspoon @ July 17 2009,22:02)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2009,14:11)
Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines:

< http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html >
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I wish I still had links where Joe G. (AKA John Paul) wrote he would accept a reptile with hooves as a TRUE transitional, and where he once told me the gas planets like Jupiter & Saturn were put there by the designer so Earth would be protected from asteroids and comets. I really miss his YEC arguments. Speaking of which, check out this < http://web.archive.org/web....s-f.htm > where he was a contributor to a YEC website.
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Ah, Luke Randall, molecular biologist creationist.  The grand poobah who once declared that humans have "3 billion codons" and when I corrected him, he deigned to declare that I should learn some biology before daring to do so again, lest he make me regret my ignorance...
Posted by: blipey on July 24 2009,08:44

Oh noes!!!  < Only technical difficulties I hope. >
Posted by: blipey on July 24 2009,08:45

Quote (blipey @ July 24 2009,08:44)
Oh noes!!!  < Only technical difficulties I hope. >
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whew, back up and running, that was a close one!
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on July 24 2009,10:22



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Blogger  Joe G said...

   As I said clownie not everyone defines "information" as it is defined in dictionaries.

   Why don't you use the definition you provided and actually answer the question?-

   I did.

   What part of my answer don't you understand?

   This has nothing to do with Shannon.-

   It does as Shannon information doesn't have to be SI.

   That is the whole point or are you just too stupid to understand that?

   The problem is you don't undersatnd anything about Shannon and his work on information, so you choose to once again argue from ignorance.
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   3:53 PM
Blogger blipey said...

   If you don't know what's important about SI just say so.

   Otherwise, what do we know about an object that has SI that we don't know about an object that has no SI?

   "It depends" is not an answer.
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   4:03 PM
Blogger Joe G said...

   A quick lesson for ignorant clowns:

   information theory-

   Information theory, however, does not consider message importance or meaning, as these are matters of the quality of data rather than the quantity and readability of data, the latter of which is determined solely by probabilities.-

   Classical Information Theory (Shannon)-

   Shannon had a key insight regarding this: it doesn't matter whether the symbol means anything. It only matters whether the symbol at the information source and the destination are the same. It was this insight, meaning must be ignored, that enabled Shannon to create a workable mathematical model for information.-

   Shannon Information-


   Shannon information is the type of information developed by Claude Shannon and Warren Weaver in the 1940s. Shannon information is concerned with quantifying information (usually in terms of number of bits) to keep track of alphanumeric chcaracters as they are communicated sequentially from a source to a receiver. The amount of Shannon information contained in a string of characters is inversely related to the probability of the occurrence of the string. Unlike specified complexity, Shannon information is solely concerned with the improbability or complexity of a string of characters rather than its patterning or significance.-
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 4:04 PM
Blogger blipey said...

   Great. There's no reason to determine if an object has SI or not. That's fine. Just say so.
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lolololol



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Blogger blipey said...

   The question is not about information, you stooge. The question is about what we know after we determine whether or not the object has SI.
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   4:15 PM
Blogger Joe G said...

   If you don't know what's important about SI just say so.-

   I said what is so important about it- it produces specific effects.

   What part of that don't you understand?

   Otherwise, what do we know about an object that has SI that we don't know about an object that has no SI?-

   The object that contains CSI is not reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.

   IOW it would depend on how much SI was required to bring about the object in question.

   Then we could examine the alleged SI to see if it is SI as opposed to some law or regularity.

   We would also investigate to see if the SI was an artifact. IOW find out what is is reducible to.

   Ya see it matters a great deal to an investigation whether or not that which is being investigated arose by nature, operating freely or agency involvement.
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   7:17 PM
Blogger blipey said...

   Great, how much SI does an object need in order to be designed? 1? 2? How much?
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lolololol



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   2:30 AM
Blogger Joe G said...

   As much as it takes to not be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.
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   9:58 AM
Blogger blipey said...

   Which is how much?
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lololololol


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   10:22 AM
Blogger Joe G said...

   As much as it takes.

   How much SI has nature, operating freely, been shown to produce?

   Ya see it is all about knowledge- that is knowledge of what nature, operating freely can produce coupled with the knowledge of what designing agencies can produce.

   From that we make a scientific inference and go from there.

   10:39 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAH

blipes i absolutely love reading your exchanges with JoeTard, operating freely.  you can see that impotent culture war rage distorting the computer screen!
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on July 30 2009,15:14

I think I might have one of Joe's relatives here at KSU. I just got this message from a student.


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I'm going to be in your class next fall, and I saw that on Varney's website it states we need the book "Biology: Concepts and Appliances." I was just wondering if we're going to actually use this book next semester, or whether we can get away with not buying it.
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Posted by: Chayanov on July 30 2009,16:24

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 30 2009,15:14)
I think I might have one of Joe's relatives here at KSU. I just got this message from a student.
 

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I'm going to be in your class next fall, and I saw that on Varney's website it states we need the book "Biology: Concepts and Appliances." I was just wondering if we're going to actually use this book next semester, or whether we can get away with not buying it.
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He's not at all curious about biological appliances?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 01 2009,22:20

my favorite Joe post EVAR



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"Whale Wars"
As an aside- do you think it would boost the ratings of "Whale Wars" if the activists were allowed to have and use military-grade weaponry?

I watched the show the other night and they had this "secret weapon"- a special rope thta can, if properly placed, wrap around a ship's propellor and disable it for quite some time. However it became painfully obvious that the activists didn't have any skill in pulling off such a mission.

But anyway here is what I propose:

For every whale killed they get to arm and fire one torpedo.

Their helicopter gets armed.

To stop a hunt they get smaller charges that can only be used to disable the boats without harming the hunters.

RPGs. Can't have a war without RPGs.

Also give them a group of techies that can help them better launch their old arsenal.
posted by Joe G @ 7:58 PM
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Joe i would like you to go with this one old buddy

ETA  WHOA THIS ONE IS EVEN DUMBER



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FRIDAY, JULY 31, 2009
The H2O2 Experiment
Tomorrow I am starting a regimen of hydrogen peroxide- food grade 35%- diluted in water and down the chute.

This is supposed to help cleanse my body and eliminate and/ or prevent many types of diseases- including cancer and AIDS.

I just want to be ready for the upcoming flu season, as well as the lingering swine flu.

And seeing that my family has a history of cancer (mom, dad and one sister), this could be another one of my preventative measures.

Stay tuned for more...
posted by Joe G @ 9:30 PM
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lololololololol JOE
Posted by: Texas Teach on Aug. 01 2009,23:50

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 01 2009,22:20)
ETA  WHOA THIS ONE IS EVEN DUMBER

 

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FRIDAY, JULY 31, 2009
The H2O2 Experiment
Tomorrow I am starting a regimen of hydrogen peroxide- food grade 35%- diluted in water and down the chute.

This is supposed to help cleanse my body and eliminate and/ or prevent many types of diseases- including cancer and AIDS.

I just want to be ready for the upcoming flu season, as well as the lingering swine flu.

And seeing that my family has a history of cancer (mom, dad and one sister), this could be another one of my preventative measures.

Stay tuned for more...
posted by Joe G @ 9:30 PM
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lololololololol JOE
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Setting aside Joe's complete lack understanding of germ theory (shocking, I know), that's just an astoundingly bad idea.  I guess it all depends on how much he's diluting it, but 35% peroxide is nasty stuff.  My wife used that stuff in her archeological lab back in grad school. (Actually she used the 33% stuff from a pool supply shop, which was something like 100X less expensive.)  I got some on my hand once.  Hurt more and for longer than any of the concentrated acids I ever spilled.  Turned that patch of skin the purest white I've ever seen.

Joe: you might want to have poison control's number handy, just in case.
Posted by: blipey on Aug. 02 2009,09:16

What the hell would the idiots at poison control know that good ol' JoeG doesn't!  He could teach them a thing or two about control, just you wait!  If they dare tell him about what he should and should not be putting in his body, he'll torpedo those bastards.
Posted by: midwifetoad on Aug. 02 2009,09:25

Apparently H2O2 is added to some water supplies in lieu of chlorine. It's also used in food packaging. I suppose you could wash vegetables with it.

But for superior crank medicine, it's no match for coffee enemas.
Posted by: dnmlthr on Aug. 02 2009,09:38

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 02 2009,15:25)
But for superior crank medicine, it's no match for coffee enemas.
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< Don't give him any ideas >
Posted by: blipey on Aug. 02 2009,09:39

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 02 2009,09:25)
Apparently H2O2 is added to some water supplies in lieu of chlorine. It's also used in food packaging. I suppose you could wash vegetables with it.

But for superior crank medicine, it's no match for coffee enemas.
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So, how exactly does it prevent AIDS?  I have to agree, best JoeTard ever.
Posted by: Lou FCD on Aug. 02 2009,10:44

For JoeTARD's sake, I hope they have the Darwin Award handy, in case of emergency.
Posted by: KCdgw on Aug. 02 2009,14:14



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Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent
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Ashdown BC, et al. (1998). Hydrogen peroxide poisoning causing brain infarction: neuroimaging findings. American Journal of Roentgenology <b>170</b>:1653-5.

For crissakes, the stuff I have at home is only 3%, and the label specifically warns against ingesting it.


Posted by: Texas Teach on Aug. 02 2009,15:13

Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 02 2009,14:14)
 

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Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent
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Ashdown BC, et al. (1998). Hydrogen peroxide poisoning causing brain infarction: neuroimaging findings. American Journal of Roentgenology <b>170</b>:1653-5.

For crissakes, the stuff I have at home is only 3%, and the label specifically warns against ingesting it.
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He apparently started this treatment a while back.
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Aug. 02 2009,15:29

Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 02 2009,14:14)


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Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent
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Ashdown BC, et al. (1998). Hydrogen peroxide poisoning causing brain infarction: neuroimaging findings. American Journal of Roentgenology <b>170</b>:1653-5.

For crissakes, the stuff I have at home is only 3%, and the label specifically warns against ingesting it.
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How would we know if Joe has a brain infarction? Which of his symptoms would improve?
Posted by: silverspoon on Aug. 02 2009,19:11

I see this as a positive for Joe.

Plastering his body with 10 to 12 Kinoki foot pads each night was getting awfully expensive.
Posted by: midwifetoad on Aug. 02 2009,19:28

Not to mention the price of coffee.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 03 2009,23:27

Joes warts are fading, AIDS not going anywhere anytime soon

 

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Joe G said...
Of course I am qualified enough to know that my warts are fading.

And when there is only one change in my activities then I can feel safe that the change is at least partly, if not fully, responsible.

And seeing that warts are one of the things on the list of cures, who am I to doubt it?

But anyways there is more recent data. All you have to do is search for it.

Also there are other products- "Cell Power" and "Cell Food" that also oxygenate your body, but they are far more costly than H2O2 (but not dangerous to handle).

"PH balancing"- that is another search query for you.

5:11 PM

blipey said...
I'm not really all that interested, Joe. I just find it strange that your complaints about other people fall strangely close to your own behavior.

6:38 PM

Joe G said...
I know you are not interested.

Had you been you would have done your own research.

But it is nice of you to try to blame me for your ignorance and laziness.

8:12 PM

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lololololol

blipey  "I'm not really all that interested, this is your weird ass shtick not mine.  i don't even CARE dude"

joe "thats cause you are ignorant and lazy"

roflllll

joe would say whatever the fuck he had to say in order to be able to come off with some shit like that.  that is his whole game, to be like "yeah well ya see you are wrong".  and he is damn near almost always wrong when he says that shit.  what a fucking GREAT tard
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 06 2009,23:29

Joe thinking about Blipey in a compromising situation:



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Joe G said...
I know it isn't funny that you like licking around your boyfriend's anus.

It is pretty gross if you ask me.

Do you gargle with Listerine after?

4:20 PM
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stay classy joe.  psst get some help too dude
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 11 2009,01:34

lololol irony of me telling joe to stay classy.  tough crowd here

new dumb



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MONDAY, AUGUST 10, 2009
ERVs and universal common descent- it doesn't make any sense


Evolutionists claim that the presence of ERVs- that is their presence in the same locus in different populations, such as chimps and humans, proves common ancestry.

Yet in order for that to happen it means that an virus had to infect a gamete, that gamete had to get used to make an offspring, and then that offspring would have to pass down that genetic marker such that it became fixed in the population.

All that while keeping its sequence identity, over thousands and thousands of generations with recombinations and mutations happening all around it.

So the question should be why did the sequence identity remain intact?

The obvious answer is because it does something and most likely isn't a leftover infection.

Another question would be "are ERVs actually decayed versions- ie selfish genes- of a once full genome?"

Think prions which are leftover proteins which go on to infect the organism that ingests them.

IOW these ERVs, in their normal state, are just another regulatory sequence in the genome.

When the organism gets consumed, for example, if the DNA does not get broken down all the way, these selfish genes can then "take over" the new host.
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should read "It doesn't make any sense, To Me".  what a maroon
Posted by: k.e.. on Aug. 11 2009,09:21

Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 02 2009,07:50)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 01 2009,22:20)
ETA  WHOA THIS ONE IS EVEN DUMBER

   

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FRIDAY, JULY 31, 2009
The H2O2 Experiment
Tomorrow I am starting a regimen of hydrogen peroxide- food grade 35%- diluted in water and down the chute.

This is supposed to help cleanse my body and eliminate and/ or prevent many types of diseases- including cancer and AIDS.

I just want to be ready for the upcoming flu season, as well as the lingering swine flu.

And seeing that my family has a history of cancer (mom, dad and one sister), this could be another one of my preventative measures.

Stay tuned for more...
posted by Joe G @ 9:30 PM
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lololololololol JOE
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Setting aside Joe's complete lack understanding of germ theory (shocking, I know), that's just an astoundingly bad idea.  I guess it all depends on how much he's diluting it, but 35% peroxide is nasty stuff.  My wife used that stuff in her archeological lab back in grad school. (Actually she used the 33% stuff from a pool supply shop, which was something like 100X less expensive.)  I got some on my hand once.  Hurt more and for longer than any of the concentrated acids I ever spilled.  Turned that patch of skin the purest white I've ever seen.

Joe: you might want to have poison control's number handy, just in case.
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ARCHEOLOGISTS JUST MAKE STUFF UP ESPECIALLY THINGS ABOUT ARCHEOLOGY HOMO.

I'LL BET YOUR WIFE WAS DELIBERATELY AGEING OLD TURKEY BONES TO MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE ACHEOPTERIXES SO SHE COULD PROVE THEY WERE DINO ARE NOT BIRD THINGIES OR SOMETHING.

WHERE AS IT WAS WELL KNOWN THAT TURKEY WAS SERVED ON THE ARK WHAT IS LESS WELL KNOWN IS THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE GOBBLE OF TURKEY IN ANCIENT JORDAN WHERE NOAH LAST HELD A VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH GOD.

NOAH WAS TALKING TO AN INVISIBLE MAN LONG BEFORE TV CAMERAS WERE INVENTED.

GOD JUST HAD TO USE OLD FASHIONED PIXELS AND A LOUD HAILER PROBABLY A CONCHE SHELL.

ISTANBUL WAS THE PLACE OF LAST SIGHTING OF THE NOW EXSTINK NOAH TURKEY.

dt
Posted by: k.e.. on Aug. 11 2009,09:22

Quote (blipey @ Aug. 02 2009,17:16)
What the hell would the idiots at poison control know that good ol' JoeG doesn't!  He could teach them a thing or two about control, just you wait!  If they dare tell him about what he should and should not be putting in his body, he'll torpedo those bastards.
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Fuck yeah, and probably an IUD as well.
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 11 2009,17:10



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All that while keeping its sequence identity, over thousands and thousands of generations with recombinations and mutations happening all around it.

So the question should be why did the sequence identity remain intact?
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My suggestion to that person: do the math. ;)
Posted by: blipey on Aug. 27 2009,09:44

It's over.  < JoeG admits that ID can't tell the difference between nature and something imitating nature. >

I love it!
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Aug. 29 2009,15:20

1045 JoeTard says



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Joe G said...
Rich,

You don't calculate CSI.

It is a MEASUREMENT.


It is also very telling that you cannot support your position.

You prove that your position is a failure.

10:45 AM
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less than an hour later



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Joe G said...


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I (and many others) have presented our measurements of the CSI of a baseball.
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No, you didn't.

I know you didn't because a) you didn't follow my directions and b) you didn't show your work.

IOW Erik you once again revert to lying.

Also one doesn't measure the CSI.

I have also told you that but you think your willfull ignorance is meaningful discourse.

One measures the specified information to see whether or not CSI is present.

CSI present means the design inference is confirmed.

Also I have presented an EXAMPLE of measuring SI to see if CSI is present.

That would be good enough for people who didn't run around with one thumb in their mouth and the other one up their ass waiting for someone to ring a bell and yell "switch".

And yet here you guys are.

11:41 AM
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my bold.

joe, you rock old buddy.  don't stop.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Sep. 01 2009,19:05

Joe G is the Ted Nugent of Intelligent Design, i decided
Posted by: JohnW on Sep. 02 2009,10:58

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 01 2009,17:05)
Joe G is the Ted Nugent of Intelligent Design, i decided
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Indeed.  And chunkdz is the Ted Haggard.
Posted by: Texas Teach on Sep. 02 2009,17:58

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 02 2009,10:58)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 01 2009,17:05)
Joe G is the Ted Nugent of Intelligent Design, i decided
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Indeed.  And chunkdz is the Ted Haggard.
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Doesn't that KF (aka Gordon Mullings) the Ted Kaczynski of ID?  It would certainly explain the manifesto-sized posts.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Sep. 22 2009,13:46

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....4447388 >



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Rich Hughes said...
"As for your example, I'm not going to take the bait. You're asking me to play a game: "Provide as much detail in terms of possible causal mechanisms for your ID position as I do for my Darwinian position." ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it's not ID's task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If ID is correct and an intelligence is responsible and indispensable for certain structures, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots." - Dr. William Dembski.


Who's right Joe, you or him?

10:30 AM


Joe G said...
Who's right Joe, you or him?


About what Richtard?

Just because ID isn't a mechanistic theory doesn't mean there aren't any specific design mechanisms.

IOW once again you expose your ignorance and stupidity.

2:38 PM

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Posted by: Lou FCD on Sep. 22 2009,23:12

Joe is pining to take over for DAJ when he kicks, but is only a shadow of the man himself.


Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 01 2009,11:48



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Blogger  KristalMeff said...

   Are you really this stupid or are you deliberately trying to mislead naive people?

   7:49 AM
Blogger KristalMeff said...

   I wonder why there are no comments attached to this piece of drivel.

   Have you ever heard of a psychological defence mechanism called projection. It's where people who can't come to terms with their own inadaquacies that they project them on to other people. Their are no strawmen in the rebuttal to your argument, you obviously have no idea what a strawman is. A strawman is a simlified and easily refuted version of your adversary's argument, what you have on your hands is the destruction of your "what's the good of half an eye" bollocks.
   Give it up.

   7:56 AM
Blogger Joe G said...

   KristalMeff,

   I am smarter than you.

   And it is the evolutionitwits who are misleading people.
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hahahahahaha

i like this krystalmeff character

but i like Rich more.  jesus that is funny stuff.  rich is a master of tard teasing
Posted by: ReligionProf on Oct. 06 2009,21:41

It's been quite a while since I've posted here, so I thought I'd stop by and share something for your amusement:

< Prayers of Science Educators in Bible Belt Answered! >

I don't know how many others saw the item on World News about pesticide-resistent weeds, but I found myself wondering whether evolution would get a much-deserved mention. It didn't, and that led me to the attempt at humor on my blog to which I've shared a link. Enjoy!
Posted by: Zachriel on Dec. 03 2009,21:02

Update on < Joe G goes to Iraq >



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Injured in Iraq- Setting the Record Straight

Today I was searching the internet and came across a post by Occam's Afterbirth, saying that I lied about Iraq.

< Occam's Afterbirth > said I said I was wouded but that I really just hurt my back lifting the wrong way.

Spoken like a true piece of shit loser.

But anyway I did not hurt my back in Iraq.

I blew out my right knee when our position came under attack and I was getting clear of that action (March 2004).

I was not cut nor penetrated by any bullets nor shrapnel. My flack jacket took a few hits of shrapnel and debris but nothing got through to me.

This action occurred near Balad, Iraq.

Now to get to Balad from Baghdad International Airport, we did something that no military personnel would- we took an unarmored SUV convoy from the airport down RPG/ IED (rocket propelled grenade/ improvised explosive device) ally- the most dangerous road in the world- to Camp Victory to get our orders.

From there we traveled in that same convoy north to Balad.

We were stopped twice by IEDs.

While in Iraq I went on patrols with the Army. Ya see my job there was to train them in the use and maintenance of our equipment- explosive trace detectors- which were used to find people who messed with explosives.

The funny part is Occam's Afterbirth calls me a chicken-shit when it remains anonymous!

An anonymous asshole loser liar calling me a chickenshit!

That just makes me feel like a hero all over again...

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Dec. 03 2009,21:18

hahahaha

occams afterbirth

lololol

joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet
Posted by: slpage on Dec. 04 2009,13:56

A 'hero'?

A HERO???

What an asshole....
Posted by: Kattarina98 on Dec. 04 2009,14:13

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...
Posted by: Cubist on Dec. 05 2009,03:25

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 04 2009,14:13)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Beetle Bailey, eh? Haven't seen that strip in a while, but it's apparently < still going >. The character you're thinking of is Sergeant Orville Snorkel, and with a name like that, his grumpiness is perhaps understandable...
Posted by: Kattarina98 on Dec. 05 2009,16:10

Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 05 2009,03:25)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 04 2009,14:13)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Beetle Bailey, eh? Haven't seen that strip in a while, but it's apparently < still going >. The character you're thinking of is Sergeant Orville Snorkel, and with a name like that, his grumpiness is perhaps understandable...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Thank you! Don't you think Joe would look the part?

Posted by: dvunkannon on Dec. 05 2009,19:13

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 05 2009,17:10)
Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 05 2009,03:25)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 04 2009,14:13)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Beetle Bailey, eh? Haven't seen that strip in a while, but it's apparently < still going >. The character you're thinking of is Sergeant Orville Snorkel, and with a name like that, his grumpiness is perhaps understandable...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Thank you! Don't you think Joe would look the part?

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Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. Denny Colt also came back from the dead to fight ...uh... TARD!!1!
Posted by: Kattarina98 on Dec. 06 2009,07:06

Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 05 2009,19:13)
Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. ...
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I'm not usually into hero worshipping, but today is St Nicholas' day.
Posted by: dvunkannon on Dec. 06 2009,07:19

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 06 2009,08:06)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 05 2009,19:13)
Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. ...
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I'm not usually into hero worshipping, but today is St Nicholas' day.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Joseph _was_ on Nakashima's bucket list!
Posted by: Badger3k on Dec. 06 2009,11:11

Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 06 2009,07:19)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 06 2009,08:06)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 05 2009,19:13)
Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. ...
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I'm not usually into hero worshipping, but today is St Nicholas' day.
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Joseph _was_ on Nakashima's bucket list!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


So....Joseph can haz buckitz?
Posted by: fnxtr on Dec. 06 2009,21:29

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 06 2009,07:06)
 
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 05 2009,19:13)
Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. ...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



I'm not usually into hero worshipping, but today is St Nicholas' day.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Damn, you got some skillz, sister.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Dec. 07 2009,16:25

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/ >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Injured in Iraq- Setting the Record Straight
Today I was searching the internet and came across a post by Occam's Afterbirth, saying that I lied about Iraq.

Occam's Afterbirth said I said I was wouded but that I really just hurt my back lifting the wrong way.

Spoken like a true piece of shit loser.

But anyway I did not hurt my back in Iraq.

I blew out my right knee when our position came under attack and I was getting clear of that action (March 2004).

I was not cut nor penetrated by any bullets nor shrapnel. My flack jacket took a few hits of shrapnel and debris but nothing got through to me.

This action occurred near Balad, Iraq.

Now to get to Balad from Baghdad International Airport, we did something that no military personnel would- we took an unarmored SUV convoy from the airport down RPG/ IED (rocket propelled grenade/ improvised explosive device) ally- the most dangerous road in the world- to Camp Victory to get our orders.

From there we traveled in that same convoy north to Balad.

We were stopped twice by IEDs.

While in Iraq I went on patrols with the Army. Ya see my job there was to train them in the use and maintenance of our equipment- explosive trace detectors- which were used to find people who messed with explosives.

The funny part is Occam's Afterbirth calls me a chicken-shit when it remains anonymous!

An anonymous asshole loser liar calling me a chickenshit!

That just makes me feel like a hero all over again...

And about my knee- four operations to get it close to "normal".
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



ETA - whoops, just saw this up-thread.
Posted by: J-Dog on Dec. 07 2009,16:45

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2009,16:25)
ETA - whoops, just saw this up-thread.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


No worries mate!  It's always a thrill to re-read a True American Hero's cv.  It's so... stupid, made up, more and better military history than DaveScot "heroic".
Posted by: Lou FCD on Dec. 07 2009,16:55

This one time, at band camp, I caught a fish that was like seven feet long.


But it got away.
Posted by: Rrr on Dec. 08 2009,18:18

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 07 2009,16:55)
This one time, at band camp, I caught a fish that was like seven feet long.


But it got away.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


-"This one time, I caught a haddock that weighed 10 kilos. But it got away."
-"But, but, wait, if it got away, how do you know how much it weighed?"
-"Well, you see, there was this wave coming in just then ..."

No, sorry, I see this does not translate too well from Gothenburg Swedish. Never mind. Pun intended, but it got away. Also. Again. Line must've snapped or summat.

Dont forget to tip the waitress fish. Or is it veal?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 18 2010,12:45

Joe / ID Guy / Jim / Cakeboy sez:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/ >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The anti-IDists are getting banned from pro-ID blogs because they spew nonsense and never substantiate their claims.

I recognize their nonsense and let them know it.

They don't like it so the whine like little school-girls.

Over on Uncoomon Descent PaulT whines his way into the blog with:

You have, of course, every right to ban the likes of h.pesoj and Voice Coil, and it is helpful that you have given reasons for doing so. However I sense a certain irony when your explanation comes immediately after a comment by Joseph in which he calls his opponents clowns and liars. How long would an ID sceptic last here using that sort of approach?


I call 'em as I see 'em bitch.

To stop me from using that language just stop lying and acting like clowns.

But whining to the moderator just makes you look like a wussy.

Evolve a backbone- Too funny...

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 18 2010,12:53

...sez Joe from behind mommy's skirt.
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Jan. 18 2010,16:34

Joseph,
Was it before or after h.pesoj posted back to you your own comments that you worked *it* out?


< >

And Joseph. It's amusing how you responded to something you yourself wrote that h.pesoj was just quoting verbatim


< >
< http://www.opposingviews.com/comments/you-use-depends >    

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Geez PvM your position that everything comes down to sheer dumb luck is totally vacuous. It cannot be tested. It relies solely on circumstantial evidence which is guided by your predisposition to reject design a priori.

BTW everything in your position is beyond observation. Universal common descent- never observed, not even in the fossil record. Mutations accumulating to give rise to novel structures with novel functions- never observed.

IOW there isn't a shred of science in your position.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



And you never did respond to Jeffrey Shallit, as h.pesoj pointed out.
< Information bait and switch >
Jeffrey Shallit said (quoting Joe)...
   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

So tell me Jeffrey how can we test the premise that humans evolved from chimp-like knuckle-walkers via an accumulation of genetic accidents?

Exactly the same way we test any historical claim. We look at the evidence, and we see what hypotheses are most consistent with the evidence.

In this case we have a mountain of paleontological data showing a progression of creatures from ape-like creatures to hominids, and we have a mountain of evidence that well-known genetic mechanisms such as mutation, selection, and recombination can produce such changes.

If you want a comprehensive, step-by-step account, you're not going to get it in the near future, since our knowledge of the past is so fragmentary. But so what? I could just as well point to a single oxygen molecule in my room and demand that you explain how it got to that precise position. Despite the fact that we have a good knowledge of physics, no physicist in the world can retrodict the path of the oxygen molecule to say where it was yesterday. That doesn't mean that our theories about gases are suspect.

By the way, your claim about "accumulation of genetic accidents" is stupid, since it doesn't take into account the positive force of selection
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



No response to that on UD or on that thread. Oh why ever not Joe?

< >
Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!


You want to debate? Still here. Where did you go?
Posted by: KCdgw on Jan. 18 2010,18:04

What Cakeboy (aka 'Jim" on TT) and many UDers resist from coming out and saying is, the only evidence for evolution they will ever accept is that from a video nano-cam with a time machine attachment.
Posted by: Lou FCD on Jan. 18 2010,19:12

Quote (KCdgw @ Jan. 18 2010,19:04)
What Cakeboy (aka 'Jim" on TT) and many UDers resist from coming out and saying is, the only evidence for evolution they will ever accept is that from a video nano-cam with a time machine attachment.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


No they wouldn't. They'd just whine that it wasn't high-def.
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Jan. 20 2010,15:00

ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
Posted by: midwifetoad on Jan. 20 2010,15:32

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 20 2010,15:00)
ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It's often said there are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary and those who don't.
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Jan. 20 2010,16:23

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 20 2010,15:00)
ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Man. I'm glad that someone else monitors Telic Twats, because it sure hurt my brain to read that small sample...
Posted by: Tracy P. Hamilton on Jan. 20 2010,20:39

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 20 2010,15:00)
ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.
   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That wouldn't be the middle digits of two groups in a decimal set, would it?  :D
Posted by: Zachriel on Jan. 21 2010,11:28

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 20 2010,15:00)
ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


ID guy insists that Shannon Information doesn't deal in fractional bits, even when it was pointed out that Shannon said "a decimal digit is about 3 1/3 bits."

Shannon must not have understood Shannon Information.
Posted by: bfish on Jan. 21 2010,15:01

Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 21 2010,09:28)
Shannon must not have understood Shannon Information.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He didn't even realize he was doing ID research, the poor bastid.
Posted by: midwifetoad on Jan. 21 2010,15:26

I'm sure this is superfluous here, but a decimal number of three digits (000-999) takes 10 bits to transmit (2^10 or 1024). That's your 3 1/3 bits per decimal digit, roughly.

I wonder what ID Guy would say to that.
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 21 2010,17:02



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



By putting a hexa on the decimal?

Henry
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Jan. 21 2010,17:17



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Via Dembski's infinite < wavelength > doo-dah?
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Jan. 22 2010,12:40

Joseph gets pzoned at UD.
< Link >


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And just because we cannot measure “life” yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

We have detected it. It has been observed in living organisms and not inanimate objects.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Read it all :)
Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 22 2010,13:24

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 22 2010,12:40)
Joseph gets pzoned at UD.
< Link >
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And just because we cannot measure “life” yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

We have detected it. It has been observed in living organisms and not inanimate objects.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Read it all :)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He moved into bold quite quickly, a clear sign of distresses. You have to do a shot every time he uses "IOW". I'm going with Armagnac this time..
Posted by: blipey on Jan. 22 2010,21:12

Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: carlsonjok on Jan. 22 2010,22:26

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,21:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Someone needs to tell Joe about < Jim Fixx >.
Posted by: Texas Teach on Jan. 22 2010,22:41

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,21:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Do you guys still have some of that Ebola you're known for in stock?  I think we should let Joe test his hypothesis.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Jan. 22 2010,22:58

Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 22 2010,22:41)
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,21:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Do you guys still have some of that Ebola you're known for in stock?  I think we should let Joe test his hypothesis.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Someone should ask him to produce the EOB's from his knee injury, and subsequent surgeries, so we can see just how much money health insurance saved him.
Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 22 2010,23:58

Reminds me of a title of a list of books from George Carlin: "Eat Right, Stay Thin, and Die Anyway".
Posted by: khan on Jan. 23 2010,10:56

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,22:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Can I say how much I hate that crap? Some of us drew the short straw in DNA.
Posted by: Quack on Jan. 23 2010,16:16

Quote (khan @ Jan. 23 2010,10:56)
 
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,22:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Can I say how much I hate that crap? Some of us drew the short straw in DNA.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wonder if maybe my genes are worth a fortune:

I measured 1.86m tall weighing around 63 kilos at 20, in 1950. That's been my matchweight ever since. All attempts at eating more to gain weight have been unsuccessful. I've always had a good appetite, and eat till my tummy aches.

My weight is a little less nowadays and I try not to stuff myself like I used to since that makes me uncomfortable.

I have two brothers, one older and one younger than me and they are of a similar build. There must be a reason. I suspect my brain is burning most of the energy.
Posted by: khan on Jan. 23 2010,16:29

Quote (Quack @ Jan. 23 2010,17:16)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 23 2010,10:56)
 
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,22:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >

   

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Can I say how much I hate that crap? Some of us drew the short straw in DNA.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wonder if maybe my genes are worth a fortune:

I measured 1.86m tall weighing around 63 kilos at 20, in 1950. That's been my matchweight ever since. All attempts at eating more to gain weight have been unsuccessful. I've always had a good appetite, and eat till my tummy aches.

My weight is a little less nowadays and I try not to stuff myself like I used to since that makes me uncomfortable.

I have two brothers, one older and one younger than me and they are of a similar build. There must be a reason. I suspect my brain is burning most of the energy.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I have inherited: cartilage degeneration, carpal tunnel syndrome, ulnar nerve entrapment.  Also migraines, but they went away after menopause.

Really want to smack those (including my idiot sister) who tell me that diet & exercise will 'cure' me.
Posted by: MichaelJ on Jan. 23 2010,18:02

Quote (khan @ Jan. 24 2010,07:29)
Quote (Quack @ Jan. 23 2010,17:16)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 23 2010,10:56)
   
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,22:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

< JoeTard, MD >

     

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Can I say how much I hate that crap? Some of us drew the short straw in DNA.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I wonder if maybe my genes are worth a fortune:

I measured 1.86m tall weighing around 63 kilos at 20, in 1950. That's been my matchweight ever since. All attempts at eating more to gain weight have been unsuccessful. I've always had a good appetite, and eat till my tummy aches.

My weight is a little less nowadays and I try not to stuff myself like I used to since that makes me uncomfortable.

I have two brothers, one older and one younger than me and they are of a similar build. There must be a reason. I suspect my brain is burning most of the energy.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I have inherited: cartilage degeneration, carpal tunnel syndrome, ulnar nerve entrapment.  Also migraines, but they went away after menopause.

Really want to smack those (including my idiot sister) who tell me that diet & exercise will 'cure' me.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


While no doubt diet and exercise can make us feel better it is annoying that there are those who can think it can solve everything.

Similarly, The right approach and attitude is a great part of success** but this doesn't mean that sitting at home wishing for a sports car (ala 'the secret') is going to make it happen.

** Ever since I have started my own business, Marketing has fascinated me and a common theme of successful salesmen is not all just being gifted it is just being out there. A guy who won the award for best realestate salesman in the state told me that the industry average is 100 prospects per sale and his attitude is to hunt out those 100 prospects over a day or two rather than take weeks like other sales people. Richard Wiseman (I think) also did a study of 'lucky' people and found out that their luck took a lot of hard work and a few failures.
Posted by: fnxtr on Jan. 23 2010,19:19

Old school measurements: 5'10", 155 (+/- 5 lbs) since graduating class of '78.

My lady is 5'2' and about 200.

But: she can fall asleep in less than a minute, while I stare at the ceiling for at least 1/2 hour every night.

It's the hummingbird and the narcoleptic Willendorf Venus.

But I've never found a more perfect match. :-)
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 01 2010,07:49

IDguy sees a kettle:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So why should anyone listen to trollegt's opinions?

Do they carry any weight at all?

From what I can tell olegt is a clsssic case of a strawman erector.

He sure as hell cannot support his position but he can attack people as well as anyone.

As for PZ he flat out stated that his ilk should put on the brass knuckles and steel-toed boots and come after the people who are not like him.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Link. >
It's almost as if he knows, at some level, he's talking about himself. A know-nothing POS who cannot support his position but can attack people as well as anyone.

Hey, IDguy, noticed that nobody reply's to your posts? Seems like before long the only people who will talk to you will be here.

So, about that debate. Still waiting! Still here.

Coward!
Posted by: Zachriel on Feb. 12 2010,20:59



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< ID guy >: Zachriel spreading lies about me:
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Bradford asked that the thread not be derailed, and responding to ID guy's rants are more properly addressed here.

Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 21 2010,11:28)
       
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 20 2010,15:00)
ID Brainbox Joe/ID Guy is having a great meltdown at TT, courtesy of Zachriel.


---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Yes you can represent base 10 as fractions of a bit, but how do you transmit it?

Say I wanted to send one decimal digit in binary, ie bits- what would the sequence look like, in 1s and 0s?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


< Classic Tard. > Well worth reading the whole exchange.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


ID guy insists that Shannon Information doesn't deal in fractional bits, even when it was pointed out that Shannon said "a decimal digit is about 3 1/3 bits."

Shannon must not have understood Shannon Information.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


ID guy rarely responds to requests for clarification, and his position is often inconsistent, so it's sometimes difficult to understand his position. From the thread at issue:



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Zachriel: If we assume a uniform distribution of amino acids, then there are about 4½ bits per amino acid.

< ID guy >: How does one transmit "about a half of bit"? I am pretty sure Shannon was concerned with the transmission and storage of bits. Did he discuss 1/2 bit transmission and storage?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


It's clear that ID guy doesn't think that a partial bit can be transmitted. If we have no idea what the next bit in a transmission will be, it transmits one bit of information. If we know with certainty what the next bit in a transmission will be, it transmits zero bits of information. If we have some idea short of certainty what the next bit in a transmission will be, it transmits a partial bit of information.

{Added: midwifetoad suggested above a simple encoding that unambiguously transmits three decimal digits with 10 binary bits, or 3 1/3 bits per decimal digit. That's at about maximum compression for arbitrary decimal digits, by the way.}



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< ID guy >: You are a lying little punk.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We honestly think ID guy ought to calm down; take a stress pill and think things over.
Posted by: rhmc on Feb. 13 2010,08:17

well, to some degree, i can understand his confusion.

a bit being an binary 1 or 0 (on or off), how does one transmit half of an on or off ?
Posted by: Zachriel on Feb. 13 2010,08:36

Quote (rhmc @ Feb. 13 2010,08:17)
well, to some degree, i can understand his confusion.

a bit being an binary 1 or 0 (on or off), how does one transmit half of an on or off ?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Yes, the confusion is understandable. Not a problem. But one can't hardly defend this statement,



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Zachriel >: If we assume a uniform distribution of amino acids, then there are about 4½ bits per amino acid.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


     which he < questioned >, without discussing why Shannon information can be measured in fractional bits. We're even willing to admit misunderstanding his misunderstanding. He seemed to agree that one could store partial bits, but not transmit them. However, with ID guy, no productive discussion is possible.
Posted by: rhmc on Feb. 13 2010,08:48

one could store and transmit the "state" of half a bit if one used three bits.

edited to add: assuming half-on is a different state than half-off.  otherwise, two bits would suffice.
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 13 2010,08:49

< Joe's Health Insurance "Plan" >



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for insurance- that is nonsense and a scam.

You can pay into it all your life, barely ever use it, and never get your money back.

Personally I would have been much better off taking the money I have paid for health insurance throughout my life and sticking it into a savings account- pay myself instead of an insurance company.

Then if I needed money for a doctor I go to that account.

So that is what I say the government should do- Mandate those types of accounts and if you don't have enough money to cover it then you get a loan and pay that back with the money you would normally put into that account.

This "plan" may help with the "health" part. If people understand they get the money if they don't spend it on "care" it would be an incentive to get and stay healthy.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Stupid does not begin to describe it.
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 13 2010,08:58

And that proposal is coming from a guy who has a < family history of cancer >:


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And if we didn't have to spend so much time and effort caring for people who could just prevent their problems by living healthy perhaps we could focus on issues like the one you say you have.

My sister died of a brain tumor when she was 3.

My mother had breast cancer.

My father had a brain tumor.

Cancer in my family is from each side and it runs deep- I am doing everything I can to avoid that fate.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Words fail me.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Feb. 13 2010,09:50

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 12 2010,21:59)
We honestly think ID guy ought to calm down; take a stress pill and think things over.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He still has the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission, and he wants to help you.
Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 13 2010,13:37

How to transmit fractions of bits? By combinging the fractional bits into a single binary number, and rounding up if it's not a whole number of bits.

For example, when transmitting a 6 digit decimal number, in which each decimal digit has a fractional number of bits, just convert it to binary and transmit the bits. The receiver can use division and modulo operations to separate the decimal digits again (computers do that all the time when doing I/O).

(There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't.)

Henry
Posted by: khan on Feb. 13 2010,13:43

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 13 2010,09:49)
< Joe's Health Insurance "Plan" >

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for insurance- that is nonsense and a scam.

You can pay into it all your life, barely ever use it, and never get your money back.

Personally I would have been much better off taking the money I have paid for health insurance throughout my life and sticking it into a savings account- pay myself instead of an insurance company.

Then if I needed money for a doctor I go to that account.

So that is what I say the government should do- Mandate those types of accounts and if you don't have enough money to cover it then you get a loan and pay that back with the money you would normally put into that account.

This "plan" may help with the "health" part. If people understand they get the money if they don't spend it on "care" it would be an incentive to get and stay healthy.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Stupid does not begin to describe it.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I just want to mention that I have inherited all sorts of shit that will cripple/disable me.

And I am really pissed at those yahoos that suggest I could be better (change my DNA?) by changing diet/happy thoughts/other shit.
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 18 2010,03:15

Another threat of violence from the internet tough guy


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If I really bother you that much I can drive to Johns Hopkins and we can sort it out…
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Drive? With a bad knee? No, no need Joe...


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
He acts like a child throwing a tantrum. He needs a spanking.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


And I think you need your nappy changing Joe.

Just another day at < TT >
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 23 2010,07:34

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 13 2010,08:49)
< Joe's Health Insurance "Plan" >

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for insurance- that is nonsense and a scam.

You can pay into it all your life, barely ever use it, and never get your money back.

Personally I would have been much better off taking the money I have paid for health insurance throughout my life and sticking it into a savings account- pay myself instead of an insurance company.

Then if I needed money for a doctor I go to that account.

So that is what I say the government should do- Mandate those types of accounts and if you don't have enough money to cover it then you get a loan and pay that back with the money you would normally put into that account.

This "plan" may help with the "health" part. If people understand they get the money if they don't spend it on "care" it would be an incentive to get and stay healthy.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Stupid does not begin to describe it.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Stupid does not begin to describe you oleg.

But I already knew that...
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 23 2010,07:35

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 13 2010,08:58)
And that proposal is coming from a guy who has a < family history of cancer >:
 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And if we didn't have to spend so much time and effort caring for people who could just prevent their problems by living healthy perhaps we could focus on issues like the one you say you have.

My sister died of a brain tumor when she was 3.

My mother had breast cancer.

My father had a brain tumor.

Cancer in my family is from each side and it runs deep- I am doing everything I can to avoid that fate.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Words fail me.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Thought processes also fail you.

What part of "prevention" don't you understand?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 23 2010,07:37

Quote (khan @ Feb. 13 2010,13:43)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 13 2010,09:49)
< Joe's Health Insurance "Plan" >

 

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
As for insurance- that is nonsense and a scam.

You can pay into it all your life, barely ever use it, and never get your money back.

Personally I would have been much better off taking the money I have paid for health insurance throughout my life and sticking it into a savings account- pay myself instead of an insurance company.

Then if I needed money for a doctor I go to that account.

So that is what I say the government should do- Mandate those types of accounts and if you don't have enough money to cover it then you get a loan and pay that back with the money you would normally put into that account.

This "plan" may help with the "health" part. If people understand they get the money if they don't spend it on "care" it would be an incentive to get and stay healthy.

---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Stupid does not begin to describe it.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I just want to mention that I have inherited all sorts of shit that will cripple/disable me.

And I am really pissed at those yahoos that suggest I could be better (change my DNA?) by changing diet/happy thoughts/other shit.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Khan,

Obviously you haven't read what I posted- either that or you just cannot comprehend it.

The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.

If we get rid of those sickies- just by changing that lifestyle, then more time and effort can be spent trying to figure out how to cure/ help people like you- people who really need it.
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 23 2010,08:16

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 23 2010,07:37)
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Citation please.
Posted by: Occam's Aftershave on Feb. 23 2010,08:19

Joe, aren't you the nimrod who suggested drinking straight hydrogen peroxide as a 'preventive'?

How's that workin' out for ya?   :D
Posted by: midwifetoad on Feb. 23 2010,09:43



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
My sister died of a brain tumor when she was 3.

My mother had breast cancer.

My father had a brain tumor.

Cancer in my family is from each side and it runs deep
---------------------QUOTE-------------------





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Posted by: Richardthughes on Feb. 23 2010,09:49

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 23 2010,09:43)


---------------------QUOTE-------------------
My sister died of a brain tumor when she was 3.

My mother had breast cancer.

My father had a brain tumor.

Cancer in my family is from each side and it runs deep
---------------------QUOTE-------------------





---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


That's just sad, and perhaps why he feels medicine failed him.
Posted by: blipey on Feb. 23 2010,10:46

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 23 2010,08:16)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 23 2010,07:37)
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Citation please.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


There is no need for a citation; JoeTard knows this is true and that's enough.  He knows it's true because in order to argue for a position you must assume that position is true from the get-go.

That is how argumentation works, right Joe?
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 23 2010,10:48

Quote (blipey @ Feb. 23 2010,10:46)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 23 2010,08:16)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 23 2010,07:37)
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Citation please.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


There is no need for a citation; JoeTard knows this is true and that's enough.  He knows it's true because in order to argue for a position you must assume that position is true from the get-go.

That is how argumentation works, right Joe?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


JoeTard, you said your wife and daughter got sick but not you? Could you tell us what "lifestyle choices" led to that situation?

Perhaps they simply need to chug some peroxide!
Posted by: Tom Ames on Feb. 23 2010,12:29

Clearly, Joe's health plan does nothing for sufferers of traumatic brain injury.


Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,08:57

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 23 2010,08:19)
Joe, aren't you the nimrod who suggested drinking straight hydrogen peroxide as a 'preventive'?

How's that workin' out for ya?   :D
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Not Occam's Afterbirth, I never said anything of the kind.

Perhaps you should pull your head out of your ass and face reality.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,08:58

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 23 2010,08:16)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 23 2010,07:37)
The vast majority of sick people are that way because of their chosen lifestyle.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Citation please.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Citation? You ask for a citation when your position can never produce one to support yoiur claims?

Go ask the people in the medical field.

They will tell you exactly what I just said.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:00

Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 23 2010,12:29)
Clearly, Joe's health plan does nothing for sufferers of traumatic brain injury.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Clearly Tom Ames is an asshole...
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:04

Hi Joe!  

Did you arrive to tell us that you are indeed ID guy?  If so, did you remember to bring the < $20k >?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:13

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:04)
Hi Joe!  

Did you arrive to tell us that you are indeed ID guy?  If so, did you remember to bring the < $20k >?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


olegt-

Did you arrive to tell us that you are an asshole?

Or does everyone already know that you are an asshole?
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:16

So, you're not denying the fact?  Where is my $20k?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:17

46 million Americans smoke tobacco.

Childhood obesity is on the rise- big time.

Adult obesity has spread to every State- 65% of Americans weigh too much.

And that just scratches the surface of what people can do for themselves to save health-care costs.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:18

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:16)
So, you're not denying the fact?  Where is my $20k?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


No oleg I do not deny the fact that you are an asshole.

However your being an asshole does not warrant $20K.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:20

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:04)
Hi Joe!  

Did you arrive to tell us that you are indeed ID guy?  If so, did you remember to bring the < $20k >?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Why would I lie oleg?

What would you do if I and ID Guy (two separate and distinct people) show up at John Hopkins?

Will you fork over $20K?
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:22

Another evasion, Joe?  Can't give a straight answer?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:30

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:22)
Another evasion, Joe?  Can't give a straight answer?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


The straight answer is that you are an asshole.

What part of that don't you understand?

"Oh my parents are from Russia, and I was born and raised there, so of course I am an asshole."

Is that what you want to say?
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:35

Joe,

Your pathetic attempts at disguise have been blown so many times I can't count.  < Here > Joe G is responding to Thought Provoker who was talking about ID guy.  You clearly thought it was about you.  Bwahahaha!  

Fork over my $20k, pal.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:38

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:35)
Joe,

Your pathetic attempts at disguise have been blown so many times I can't count.  < Here > Joe G is responding to Thought Provoker who was talking about ID guy.  Bwahahaha!  

Fork over my $20k, pal.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Again what are you going to do if I and ID Guy (two separate and distinct individuals) come down to John Hopkins?

Are you going to fork over $20K?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:41

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:35)
Joe,

Your pathetic attempts at disguise have been blown so many times I can't count.  < Here > Joe G is responding to Thought Provoker who was talking about ID guy.  You clearly thought it was about you.  Bwahahaha!  

Fork over my $20k, pal.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


olegt,

Thanks for proving that you are stupid and/ or dishoest.

Dave the thought provoker was clearlty talking about me:



---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I gave up posting on his blog a long time ago when it was clear he couldn't keep his own story straight.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



That refers to my blog.

I was responding to that charge- that I can't keep my stories straight.

But thanks for continuing to prove that you are an asshole.
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:42

What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?  Their honest word?  :D
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:44

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:47

Why wait?  Show them now.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:48

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?  Their honest word?  :D
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Honesty is something that is very unfamiliar to olegt...
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:48

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:47)
Why wait?  Show them now,
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Sure, come on upp to Keene NH and I will show them to you.

Please bring that $20K...
Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 24 2010,09:49

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,07:44)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


This reminds me of the early days of BBS and IRC when some clown calling himself "Thundarr" barged in everywhere threatening to sodomize everyone. Said individual couldn't even come up with an original name.

Then his parents found out and cancelled the provider service.  

Very amusing.  

Cue threats, veiled or otherwise, in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,09:50

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 24 2010,09:49)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,07:44)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


This reminds me of the early days of BBS and IRC when some clown calling himself "Thundarr" barged in everywhere threatening to sodomize everyone. Said individual couldn't even come up with an original name.

Then his parents found out and cancelled the provider service.  

Very amusing.  

Cue threats, veiled or otherwise, in 3, 2, 1...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Great, another asshole chimes in...
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,09:52

Joe,

I have no intention to drive to New Hampshire.  I have no doubts that you write as ID guy at TT.  The evidence is pretty strong and has been described here and at TT many times.  Your writing style is inimitable.

If you want to convince us that you do not write as ID guy at TT, it's up to you to provide evidence.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Feb. 24 2010,10:04

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,09:44)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hey, Oleg?  Joe is inviting you back to his place to show you his etchings!! Joe is Teh Ghey!

Hey, Joe, tell us about how you are tired of having evolution rammed down your throat!
Posted by: Richardthughes on Feb. 24 2010,10:06

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 24 2010,10:04)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,09:44)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hey, Oleg?  Joe is inviting you back to his place to show you his etchings!! Joe is Teh Ghey!

Hey, Joe, tell us about how you are tired of having evolution rammed down your throat!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Is he going to taste test flagella motility?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,10:29

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:52)
Joe,

I have no intention to drive to New Hampshire.  I have no doubts that you write as ID guy at TT.  The evidence is pretty strong and has been described here and at TT many times.  Your writing style is inimitable.

If you want to convince us that you do not write as ID guy at TT, it's up to you to provide evidence.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Convincing assholes is not something I care to do.

Your "evidence" is all in your head.

I don't care if it stays there.

You don't have anything else.
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,10:45

Well, where are those "collaborations," anyway?  In your head, Joe?
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,10:50

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,10:45)
Well, where are those "collaborations," anyway?  In your head, Joe?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


You can meet us and we will provide a demonstration.

Or you can continue to argue from your ass.

I am pretty sure which you will choose...
Posted by: olegt on Feb. 24 2010,10:51

So, the evidence exists but you can only show it in person?  :D
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,10:57

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,10:51)
So, the evidence exists but you can only show it in person?  :D
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I want my share of the $20K.

You don't get anything until I see the money.

Your assholiness is going to cost you...
Posted by: Dr.GH on Feb. 24 2010,11:05

So Joe is making tough guy noise while he masturbates.

He'll shutup when he either cums or runs out of lube.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,11:21

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 24 2010,11:05)
So Joe is making tough guy noise while he masturbates.

He'll shutup when he either cums or runs out of lube.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Dr GH the screamer chimes in with nothing of substance...
Posted by: Occam's Aftershave on Feb. 24 2010,11:27

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 24 2010,11:05)
So Joe is making tough guy noise while he masturbates.

He'll shutup when he either cums or runs out of lube.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


You can tell when he's close to getting the monitor all sticky by the exponential rise in typos he makes.   :p
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 24 2010,11:30

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 24 2010,11:27)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 24 2010,11:05)
So Joe is making tough guy noise while he masturbates.

He'll shutup when he either cums or runs out of lube.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


You can tell when he's close to getting the monitor all sticky by the exponential rise in typos he makes.   :p

- T
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Afterbirth speaks from experience...
Posted by: Tom Ames on Feb. 24 2010,11:56

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,07:00)
Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 23 2010,12:29)
Clearly, Joe's health plan does nothing for sufferers of traumatic brain injury.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Clearly Tom Ames is an asshole...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Oh well PLAYED, sir!
Posted by: Louis on Feb. 24 2010,13:03

I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Feb. 24 2010,13:35

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,13:03)
Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hopefully that will have a greater effect than his second lobotomy had...
Posted by: JohnW on Feb. 24 2010,13:36

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,11:03)
I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He seems to have quite the thing about bottoms - mentions them in almost every post.  I wonder what this means?
Posted by: carlsonjok on Feb. 24 2010,14:08

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2010,13:36)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,11:03)
I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He seems to have quite the thing about bottoms - mentions them in almost every post.  I wonder what this means?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------



Posted by: Richardthughes on Feb. 24 2010,14:28

Joe G Bingo for your amusement.


Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Feb. 24 2010,14:44

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 24 2010,14:28)
Joe G Bingo for your amusement.


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


You might need a 3-dimensional bingo card to encompass all of Joe's tardliness. For sure it needs to include terms like

asshole
afterbirth
school board
genetic accidents
evotards
bad lifestyle choices

and probably lots more
Posted by: Louis on Feb. 24 2010,14:48

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2010,18:36)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,11:03)
I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He seems to have quite the thing about bottoms - mentions them in almost every post.  I wonder what this means?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I quite literally have no idea at all.

Unnnnnlesssssss.....

Nah. It couldn't mean.....wait could it?

But he's so big and tough on the internet. He's a Jesusfreak too. He couldn't possibly be one of those guys who goes to bars and begs men to take them out to a back alley and treat them roughly could he?*

Louis

*Gay men, usually being possessed of something called "taste and discernment" will often say "no". I imagine that there is the very occasional gay man who is down on his luck and desperate though...
Posted by: JohnW on Feb. 24 2010,14:53

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,12:48)
   
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2010,18:36)
   
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,11:03)
I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He seems to have quite the thing about bottoms - mentions them in almost every post.  I wonder what this means?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I quite literally have no idea at all.

Unnnnnlesssssss.....

Nah. It couldn't mean.....wait could it?

But he's so big and tough on the internet. He's a Jesusfreak too. He couldn't possibly be one of those guys who goes to bars and begs men to take them out to a back alley and treat them roughly could he?*

Louis

*Gay men, usually being possessed of something called "taste and discernment" will often say "no". I imagine that there is the very occasional gay man who is down on his luck and desperate though...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, that eliminates all grounds for speculation.  No Jesusfreak would ever do, or even think about, such nasty, nasty things.
Posted by: Louis on Feb. 24 2010,15:00

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2010,19:53)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,12:48)
   
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2010,18:36)
     
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 24 2010,11:03)
I see our Internet Tough Guy is back. Isn't it sweet.

Hey there little fella. Hey there. Good Internet Tough Guy, bark for daddy. Come, bark little Internet Tough Guy, bark.

Awwwww watch him jump and yap. Isn't he just so adorable you wish he could be neutered for a second time.

Louis
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He seems to have quite the thing about bottoms - mentions them in almost every post.  I wonder what this means?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I quite literally have no idea at all.

Unnnnnlesssssss.....

Nah. It couldn't mean.....wait could it?

But he's so big and tough on the internet. He's a Jesusfreak too. He couldn't possibly be one of those guys who goes to bars and begs men to take them out to a back alley and treat them roughly could he?*

Louis

*Gay men, usually being possessed of something called "taste and discernment" will often say "no". I imagine that there is the very occasional gay man who is down on his luck and desperate though...
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Well, that eliminates all grounds for speculation.  No Jesusfreak would ever do, or even think about, such nasty, nasty things.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


[Roy Zimmerman]

Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual...

[/Roy Zimmerman]

Indeed. I agree John, I'll bet none of them have wide stances either.

Glad we proved that. Hallelujah!

Louis
Posted by: tsig on Feb. 24 2010,15:03

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 24 2010,10:04)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,09:44)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


We would show you our collaborations.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Hey, Oleg?  Joe is inviting you back to his place to show you his etchings!! Joe is Teh Ghey!

Hey, Joe, tell us about how you are tired of having evolution rammed down your throat!
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


He's deep throating Evolution?
Posted by: JohnW on Feb. 24 2010,15:04

Quote (tsig @ Feb. 24 2010,13:03)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 24 2010,10:04)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,09:44)
 
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,09:42)
What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
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We would show you our collaborations.
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Hey, Oleg?  Joe is inviting you back to his place to show you his etchings!! Joe is Teh Ghey!

Hey, Joe, tell us about how you are tired of having evolution rammed down your throat!
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He's deep throating Evolution?
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He's fantasising about it deeply religious.
Posted by: tsig on Feb. 24 2010,15:05

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So, the evidence exists but you can only show it in person?  :D
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I want my share of the $20K.

You don't get anything until I see the money.

Your assholiness is going to cost you...
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Joe said:

"assholiness"

We know you like it but it's hardly holy.
Posted by: tsig on Feb. 24 2010,15:06

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So Joe is making tough guy noise while he masturbates.

He'll shutup when he either cums or runs out of lube.
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Dr GH the screamer chimes in with nothing of substance...
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Shooting blanks, Joe?
Posted by: tsig on Feb. 24 2010,15:11

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What would be the proof that one writes as Joe G and the other as ID guy?
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We would show you our collaborations.
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Hey, Oleg?  Joe is inviting you back to his place to show you his etchings!! Joe is Teh Ghey!

Hey, Joe, tell us about how you are tired of having evolution rammed down your throat!
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He's deep throating Evolution?
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He's fantasising about it deeply religious.
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OMG both Jesus and Joe begin with a "J".

They must be "j"oined at the hip...or somewhere.
Posted by: blipey on Feb. 24 2010,17:15

Hey Joe,

Did you drop by to tell us which forms of insurance you currently carry?

Auto?

If not, does your local police department know this?  If yes, why can't you drive well enough to not need stoopid insurance?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Feb. 25 2010,15:33

Hey Dr GH - Joe seems upset:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....rd.html >
Posted by: Albatrossity2 on Feb. 25 2010,15:44

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,15:33)
Hey Dr GH - Joe seems upset:

< http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....rd.html >
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But he didn't link to AtBC; he just mentioned it.

Does he think that Clive will ban him if he links to us from his own backwater blog?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Feb. 25 2010,16:19

To be fair he linked to it after some prodding. Hopefully he cums over!
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Feb. 25 2010,16:33

< Joe G. >:
 

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If you want to watch a group circle-jerk, that is a good place to start.
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Joe doesn't quite grasp that in a true circle jerk only one guy is found pulling his pud when the lights come on.

Joe: You're the guy.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 25 2010,19:06

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< Joe G. >:
   

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If you want to watch a group circle-jerk, that is a good place to start.
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Joe doesn't quite grasp that in a true circle jerk only one guy is found pulling his pud when the lights come on.

Joe: You're the guy.
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No Bill obviously you are because you knew such a thing- which means you have been caught.
Posted by: Joe G on Feb. 25 2010,19:10

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,16:19)
To be fair he linked to it after some prodding. Hopefully he cums over!
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To be honest Richtard- I know that is very foreign to you- I thought that I had linked to this cesspool.

It was a mere oversight that I would have caught once I had teh time to read the post as it appears on the blog.

But anyways you any of you fuckheads ever talk about something or do you girls just gossip the day away?
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Feb. 25 2010,19:50

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But anyways you any of you fuckheads ever talk about something or do you girls just gossip the day away?
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Sure! Glad you're here.

The belt on my clothes dryer has been slipping and the drum sometimes fails to rotate. Any suggestions?
Posted by: blipey on Feb. 25 2010,19:58

So...

Auto insurance, Joe?  Got any?  Why or why not?
Posted by: Joe G on Mar. 02 2010,08:04

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But anyways you any of you fuckheads ever talk about something or do you girls just gossip the day away?
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Sure! Glad you're here.

The belt on my clothes dryer has been slipping and the drum sometimes fails to rotate. Any suggestions?
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Yes- I have a suggestion.

Pull it away from the wall and take off the back cover- do NOT unplug the unit or if you had to unplug it to take the cover off then plug the unit back in.

Follow the plug's wires to the termination block.

Stick out your tongue and lick the wires where they attach to the dryer.

That should solve all your problems.

Glad I could help.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Mar. 02 2010,09:21

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Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 25 2010,19:50)
       
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But anyways you any of you fuckheads ever talk about something or do you girls just gossip the day away?
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Sure! Glad you're here.

The belt on my clothes dryer has been slipping and the drum sometimes fails to rotate. Any suggestions?
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Yes- I have a suggestion.

Pull it away from the wall and take off the back cover- do NOT unplug the unit or if you had to unplug it to take the cover off then plug the unit back in.

Follow the plug's wires to the termination block.

Stick out your tongue and lick the wires where they attach to the dryer.

That should solve all your problems.

Glad I could help.
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Well, I tried that.

There was a blinding flash and a period of cardiac clamping. Then followed a similar clamping of brain function - every neuron hyperpolarized, the flow of oxygen stopped and all brain activity ceased.

In that instant I found your position vis ID and evolution cogent and well reasoned. And I remember thinking, "peroxide."

Upon my recovery I found that my dryer still doesn't work. The drum still stops rotating intermittently. Are you sure you're in the right trade?
Posted by: blipey on Mar. 02 2010,12:07

Auto Insurance, Joe.  Got any?  Why or why not?
Posted by: Louis on Mar. 02 2010,12:18

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 26 2010,00:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,16:19)
To be fair he linked to it after some prodding. Hopefully he cums over!
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To be honest Richtard- I know that is very foreign to you- I thought that I had linked to this cesspool.

It was a mere oversight that I would have caught once I had teh time to read the post as it appears on the blog.

But anyways you any of you fuckheads ever talk about something or do you girls just gossip the day away?
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We used to, way back in the Before Time, during the Never Never. You know, when Intelligent Design Creationism was young, the new dishonest creationist strategy on the block.

Now it's old and withered and all its bullshit talking points and asinine claims have been refuted a thousand times* we just get to laugh at the few remaining fuck-knuckles like you who are too stupid and ill-informed to pull their heads from their arseholes.

ETA: Hey, it's something to do when waiting for the next generation of clueless backwoods godbots to pour old creationist wine into supposedly new bottles.

Louis

*To be fair, most of them were pre-refuted seeing as they were either a) warmed over creationist shite from before, b) wrong or c) both.
Posted by: dnmlthr on Mar. 02 2010,13:28

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Hey, it's something to do when waiting for the next generation of clueless backwoods godbots to pour old creationist wine into supposedly new bottles.
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I've always thought the creationist beverage of choice was whine.
Posted by: ppb on Mar. 02 2010,14:01

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Hey, it's something to do when waiting for the next generation of clueless backwoods godbots to pour old creationist wine into supposedly new bottles.
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I've always thought the creationist beverage of choice was whine.
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In Joe G's case he prefers drinking the Kool Aid.
Posted by: Occam's Aftershave on Mar. 02 2010,14:55

Quote (ppb @ Mar. 02 2010,14:01)
Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 02 2010,14:28)
 
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2010,18:18)
Hey, it's something to do when waiting for the next generation of clueless backwoods godbots to pour old creationist wine into supposedly new bottles.
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I've always thought the creationist beverage of choice was whine.
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In Joe G's case he prefers drinking the Kool Aid.
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I would have guessed his own urine.  To get the peroxide taste out of his mouth.
Posted by: fnxtr on Mar. 02 2010,19:19

Fuck-knuckles.

I like that.

Fuck-knuckles.

Thanks, Louis!

Fuck-knuckles.

Heh-heh.
Posted by: Richardthughes on April 26 2010,09:36

MOAR:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....9889702 >
Posted by: fnxtr on April 26 2010,12:51

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MOAR:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....9889702 >
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As a hip young friend says, "Samo' samo' ".

Frasier: "Diane, are you saying that I'm redundant? That I repeat myself? That I say things over and over?"
Posted by: Tracy P. Hamilton on April 26 2010,14:58

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 26 2010,09:36)
MOAR:

< https://www.blogger.com/comment....9889702 >
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Because the French talk funny, the CSI in the cake is funny.  I wonder if the cake tastes funny?

I can't swallow this CSI idea.

Hey Joe,

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