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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,18:54   

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So what's your ultimate point Joe? That god did it?

Nope.

Joe claimed to be a Muslim once, so perhaps his position is Allahdidit.

I was a christian once also.

Intelligent Design makes it possible to be an intellectually fullfilled atheist. It has absolutely no attachments to the divine what-so-ever.

If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

What, then, is the essential defining difference that separates "god" from "the intelligent designer" exactly?

If the two terms are not interchangeable, then why not? I see no reason, and you've provided none so far.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,19:26   

Quote (Joe G @ July 24 2007,18:30)
Zachriel,

In your diagram Sharif Hussein bin Ali sits ALONE at the top of his paternal family tree. I apologize for the name confusion earlier.

I don't care what trickonomics you want to throw around. Go sell crazy someplace else, obviously they have enough here.

The patriarch always sits alone on top of his family tree. He never consists of nor contains his descendants.

Any non-trivial subset of a nested hierarchy is also a nested hierarchy. The leaves on an archetypal tree are a nested hierarchy by branch and limb, while each limb is a nested hierarchy by branch and stem. If you cut a limb, any branch descended from the limb is also cut from the trunk. (Contrariwise, spider webs are not nested hierarchies. If you cut an arbitrary thread, the rest of the web will probably hold.)

Paternity is an important aspect of inheritance. The real-life paternity I provided only includes father-son relationships. Here is a list of the elements of each set based on paternal relationship such that you can examine the elements of each set and verify the nesting.

 Sons of Abdullah = {Talal, Nayef, Hussein I, Muhammad, El Hassan, Abdullah, Ali, Faisal, Hashim, Hamzah}
 Sons of Talal = {Hussein I, Muhammad, El Hassan, Abdullah, Ali, Faisal, Hashim, Hamzah}
 Sons of Hussein I = {Abdullah, Ali, Faisal, Hashim, Hamzah}

Any element in Sons of Hussein I will be found in Sons of Talal. Any element in Sons of Talal will be found in Sons of Abdullah.

     
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If you have a scheme of x and all male descendants ox x, with x also being a male, what happens when one generation is of all females, who then have sons?




If a father has only daughters, then the paternal inheritance ends. This is a common issue in many traditional societies (e.g. Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice).  If you include female descendents and allow crosses between "kissing cousins", then you would not have a consistent nested hierarchy. A complete family tree including marriages is not a nested hierarchy, but a crossing of separate lineages.

Of course, your misunderstanding is far more fundamental. You consistently refuse to respond to arguments, while never failing to cast aspersions.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,19:27   

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Intelligent Design makes it possible to be an intellectually fullfilled atheist. It has absolutely no attachments to the divine what-so-ever.

If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

So the designer is a space alien . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,19:38   

Quote (Joe G @ July 24 2007,18:34)
Intelligent Design makes it possible to be an intellectually fullfilled atheist. It has absolutely no attachments to the divine what-so-ever.


Uh huh.

     
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"Intelligent design should be understood as the evidence that God has placed in nature to show that the physical world is the product of intelligence and not simply the result of mindless material forces" - William Dembski

"Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory."- William Dembski


Yawn.

     
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If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

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So the designer is a space alien . . . . . ?

Maybe Joe is horribly worried about what would happen to the morality of our society if everyone stopped believing in space aliens.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,19:45   

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If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

 
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So the designer is a space alien . . . . . ?

Maybe Joe is horribly worried about what would happen to the morality of our society if everyone stopped believing in space aliens.

Well, if ID doesn't have anything to do with religion, no sirree Bob, I'm a little curious as to, um, why all the IDers keep bitching and moaning about "materialism" . . . ?

I'm also a little curious as to whether the designer itself evolved (since it's not, ya know, divine or anything) or if it was itself designed by, uh, another designer  . . . . . ?

Joe?


I find it hysterically funny to watch the mental gymnastics that IDers put themselves through just to avoid saying out loud what everybody *already knows anyway*.  (snicker)  (giggle)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,19:57   

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So what's your ultimate point Joe? That god did it?

Nope.

Joe claimed to be a Muslim once, so perhaps his position is Allahdidit.

I was a christian once also.

Intelligent Design makes it possible to be an intellectually fullfilled atheist. It has absolutely no attachments to the divine what-so-ever.

If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

Uh huh. So tell me, who was the designer if it wasn't god?

Who designed them?

Does it matter who/ what the designer is?

Can we, in the absence of direct observation or designer input, determine the presence of design?

It's already obvious it matters to an investigation.

Also only once we can examine said designer(s) can we make any scientific determination about it/ them.

Right now all we have is the data observed and observable in this universe. And we ask, did nature, operating freely cause it (sheer dumb luck) or are we part of some purposeful arrangement, ie some grand design?

How can we tell?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:01   

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If all religions were falsified tomorrow ID wouldn't be fazed. If the Bible were to be proven a hoax, ID wouldn't flinch.

 
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So the designer is a space alien . . . . . ?

Maybe Joe is horribly worried about what would happen to the morality of our society if everyone stopped believing in space aliens.

Well, if ID doesn't have anything to do with religion, no sirree Bob, I'm a little curious as to, um, why all the IDers keep bitching and moaning about "materialism" . . . ?

I'm also a little curious as to whether the designer itself evolved (since it's not, ya know, divine or anything) or if it was itself designed by, uh, another designer  . . . . . ?

Joe?


I find it hysterically funny to watch the mental gymnastics that IDers put themselves through just to avoid saying out loud what everybody *already knows anyway*.  (snicker)  (giggle)

Perhaps because "materialism" is nonsense. That is why I rail against it.

ID doesn't say anything about eternal salvation.

The universe exists. We exist.

There is only one reality behind that exitence.

You guys may choose to belive in sheer dumb luck, but you can't defend that position scientifically.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:05   

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Well, if ID doesn't have anything to do with religion, no sirree Bob, I'm a little curious as to, um, why all the IDers keep bitching and moaning about "materialism" . . . ?



Perhaps because "materialism" is nonsense. That is why I rail against it.

Um, and the alternative to "materialism" is what, again . . . . ?


Would it be, perhaps, religion of some sort . . . . ?



You're, uh, not terribly bright, are you Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:07   

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ID doesn't say anything about eternal salvation.

The universe exists. We exist.

There is only one reality behind that exitence.

You guys may choose to belive in sheer dumb luck, but you can't defend that position scientifically.

How dreadful.  (yawn)

I notice that you, uh, didn't answer my question.  So I'll ask again.

*ahem*

Is the designer a space alien?  Yes, it is, or no, it isn't.  Which.

And if the designer isn't supernatural (no religion here, no sirree Bob), then, uh, did it evolve?  Or was it itself designed by, uh, another designer?

Or are you just bullshitting us when you claim that ID doesn't have anything to do with religion?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:08   

Zachriel sez:

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You consistently refuse to respond to arguments, while never failing to cast aspersions.


Dude. Wake-up.

I just demonstrated that you don't have an argument.

You cannot have any part of one set that can also belong to an otherwise unrelated set.

What you want is like saying that humans can be primates and insects.

However I am sure that Dawkins would say that such a thing is possible. And why not seeing we are in an era in which imagination is a viable substitute for science.

This is no trivial matter and why you tried to keep the women out of the equation.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:08   

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Uh huh. So tell me, who was the designer if it wasn't god?

Who designed them?[/quote]

Does it matter who/ what the designer is?

Yep.

Now answer the question.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:08   

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ID doesn't say anything about eternal salvation.


So true. It's just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.  How could I not see the difference?

 
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Perhaps because "materialism" is nonsense. That is why I rail against it.


Care to define 'materialism', tell us what your alternative is, and explain why your alternative is supposedly proven?

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The universe exists. We exist.

There is only one reality behind that exitence


Well, that's it, you've convinced me. No one could stand up to an argument like that.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:09   

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This is no trivial matter and why you tried to keep the women out of the equation.

Hey Zachriel, you can send the women over HERE if you want.  *I* won't kick them out, by golly . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:11   

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ID doesn't say anything about eternal salvation.


So true. It's just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.  How could I not see the difference?

Well, ya know, Buddhism doesn't say anything about "eternal salvation" either.  

Heck, neither did the worshippers of Quetzalcoatl or Zeus.

Joe's, uh, not terribly bright, is he.

(snicker)  (giggle)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:15   

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I was a christian once also.


You're not now? So what's the deal, you really are a Muslim?

So, uh, if you're not a Christian, why does Dawkins seem to bother you?

I'm starting to see what Blipey's been talking about...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:16   

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ID doesn't say anything about eternal salvation.

The universe exists. We exist.

There is only one reality behind that exitence.

You guys may choose to belive in sheer dumb luck, but you can't defend that position scientifically.

How dreadful.  (yawn)

I notice that you, uh, didn't answer my question.  So I'll ask again.

*ahem*

Is the designer a space alien?  Yes, it is, or no, it isn't.  Which.

And if the designer isn't supernatural (no religion here, no sirree Bob), then, uh, did it evolve?  Or was it itself designed by, uh, another designer?

Or are you just bullshitting us when you claim that ID doesn't have anything to do with religion?

Ummm, we don't know who or what the designer is.

In the absence of direct observation or designer input, how would you determine who/ what the designer is or what specific process(es) were used, if all you had was the object in front of you?

Look at how little we know about Stonehenge and look how long we have been studying it.

The designer and the process(es) are separate from whether or not it was designed. Just like the origin of life is kept separarte from the theory of evolution despite the fact that how life arose directly impacts any subsequent evolution- ie was it designed to evolve or did it evolve willy-nilly?

And again- until we can study the designer(s) we cannot make any scientific determinations about it/ them.

What part about that don't you understand?

And as for supernatural- do you really think that natural processes can account for the universe when natural processes only exist once the universe does?

IOW cram the "supernatural" tardation. You can't get around it.

The debate is all about what desisgning agencies can do vs what nature, operating freely, can do.

Take your strawman and play in traffic.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:20   

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I was a christian once also.


You're not now? So what's the deal, you really are a Muslim?

So, uh, if you're not a Christian, why does Dawkins seem to bother you?

I'm starting to see what Blipey's been talking about...

If you are starting to see what blipey is saying then you have already lost.

There is no need to engage you any further.

PS I am flattered by your personal attention and caring about my personal life. But it shows that you don't have any other "argument" to use.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:27   

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Ummm, we don't know who or what the designer is.

OK, I'll play along. . . .

Is the designer materialistic, or isn't it.

If it is, did it evolve, or was it designed by a different designer.

If it isn't, then, uh, you're just bullshitting when you say it ain't god, right?

Why do you feel the need to bullshit about that, I wonder . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:28   

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There is no need to engage you any further.


So you won't/can't answer any of the questions, such as what materialism is, and what your alternative is.

That didn't take long.

At least answer me this: are Dembski's claims wrong? Is ID NOT the Logos Theory of John's Gospel?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:30   

Does ID say anything about who to worship?

No

Does ID say anything about when, how, why or where to worship?

No.

Does ID require a belief in "God"?

No.

So please tell me the connection between ID and religion that doesn't consist solely of IDists.

IOW what IDists do or don't doesn't impact ID...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:30   

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And as for supernatural- do you really think that natural processes can account for the universe when natural processes only exist once the universe does?

IOW cram the "supernatural" tardation. You can't get around it.

I see.  So the answer to my question is "yes, the designer is supernatural, it is god, it is all about religion, and IDers like you are just lying to us when they claim it's not".

Thanks.  Why the hell couldn't you just say so in the first place.  Why go through all the mental gymnastics first?  Geez.

In any case, now that you've conceded that the designer is just God, would you be willing to testify to this in court, next time some idiotic bunch of fundie nutters tries to lie to everyone by claiming their religious opinions about a supernatural designer are really science and not religion at all, no sirree Bob . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:31   

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Does ID say anything about who to worship?

No

Does ID say anything about when, how, why or where to worship?

No.

Does ID require a belief in "God"?

No.

So please tell me the connection between ID and religion that doesn't consist solely of IDists.

IOW what IDists do or don't doesn't impact ID...

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AHA HA HA HAA H !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wow, Joe, you truly do live up to your reputation for tardness.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:34   

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There is no need to engage you any further.


So you won't/can't answer any of the questions, such as what materialism is, and what your alternative is.

That didn't take long.

At least answer me this: are Dembski's claims wrong? Is ID NOT the Logos Theory of John's Gospel?

I would say Dembski is wrong, unless John's Gospel is right.

To me the gospel could be wrong and ID wouldn't care. Some IDists may care. But that is another story.

And if you are asking me about the alternatives to materialism I would say I am in the wrong place. Design is an alternative- duh.

Ypu could just visit Uncommon Descent, ARN, The Discovery Institute and read the FAQs or ID defined- you know, actually figure out what is being debated as opposed to just running around spewing the same stuff over and over.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:35   

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Does ID require a belief in "God"?

No.

So the designer is, uh, NOT God, now?

Then, uh, what the hell IS it?  Space aliens?

Didn't you just get finished telling me that the designer MUST be supernatural since "natural things couldn't start until after they were created"?

Make up your friggin mind, would you?  Is the designer God, or ain't it.

If it is, then how the hell can any IDer  ***NOT  BELIEVE IN GOD****?


If it ain't, then what, uh, OTHER supernatural designer did you have in mind . . . . ?




I do so enjoy these mental gymnatics to avoid saying, out loud, what *everyone already knows anyway* --- the "designer" is "god".  Period.

Why can't you just SAY that, Joe?  Why do you feel such a need to be so dishonest and evasive about it?  Why can't you just man up and say, out loud, that the designer is God?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:35   

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Quote (Joe G @ July 24 2007,20:30)
Does ID say anything about who to worship?

No

Does ID say anything about when, how, why or where to worship?

No.

Does ID require a belief in "God"?

No.

So please tell me the connection between ID and religion that doesn't consist solely of IDists.

IOW what IDists do or don't doesn't impact ID...

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AHA HA HA HAA H !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wow, Joe, you truly do live up to your reputation for tardness.

And you are still a freak.

Oh well.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:40   

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And as for supernatural- do you really think that natural processes can account for the universe when natural processes only exist once the universe does?

IOW cram the "supernatural" tardation. You can't get around it.

I see.  So the answer to my question is "yes, the designer is supernatural, it is god, it is all about religion, and IDers like you are just lying to us when they claim it's not".

Thanks.  Why the hell couldn't you just say so in the first place.  Why go through all the mental gymnastics first?  Geez.

In any case, now that you've conceded that the designer is just God, would you be willing to testify to this in court, next time some idiotic bunch of fundie nutters tries to lie to everyone by claiming their religious opinions about a supernatural designer are really science and not religion at all, no sirree Bob . . . . ?

The answer to your question is no, we do not know who or what the designer is and the "supernatural" has nothing to do with it because even the atheistic materialistic PoV requires something beyond nature for the reason already explained.

And ya know something Lenny- I hope I am in the middle of it and have to testify in a Court of Law.

ID will surely get a favorable ruling once I am finished.

Hopefully you will be there and just have to eat everything I say and then swallow that favorable decision.

That day is coming. I love democracy!!!!

Bye-bye

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:42   

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And you are still a freak.

Yep, I'm a freak.  I'm also ugly, smell bad, can't see straight, and my mother doesn't love me. (shrug)

Now answer my goddamn questions.

I'll start over again, and I'll try to keep the questions vvvveeeeerrrryyyyy sssssiiiimmmmpppplllllleeeeee this time, OK?


*ahem*

Is the designer materialistic, or isn't it.

Yes or no.

Yes it is, or no it isn't.

Which.

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And if you are asking me about the alternatives to materialism I would say I am in the wrong place. Design is an alternative- duh.


So the opposite of 'materialism' is 'design'?

Wow. Wacky definition of 'materialism' there.

Incidentally, is it safe to assume that the existence of religious people who reject intelligent design doesn't bother you or disturb your theory in the slightest?

Are they materialists, too?

 
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Ypu could just visit Uncommon Descent, ARN, The Discovery Institute and read the FAQs or ID defined- you know, actually figure out what is being debated as opposed to just running around spewing the same stuff over and over.


I hear Answers in Genesis is a great resource, too.

   
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And you are still a freak.


"I know you are -- but what am *I*?"

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And ya know something Lenny- I hope I am in the middle of it and have to testify in a Court of Law.

ID will surely get a favorable ruling once I am finished.


Well, dude, I dreamed of being an astronaut when I was a little kid, but hey, I outgrew it.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:42   

Ooops- almost forgot-

Even if the designer was supernatural, so what?

The design exists in this world and can be studied.

ID is about the design, not the designer.

If science cares about reality it has to follow the data, even if the data leads to the metaphysical.

And if science doesn't care about reality then how can we tell it apart from science-fiction?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2007,20:43   

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And ya know something Lenny- I hope I am in the middle of it and have to testify in a Court of Law.

Oh sweet Jesus, I hope so too . . . . . . .

(snicker)  (giggle)

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