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Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 09 2011,15:41

A random quote.
 

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Intelligent design uses deductive logic which is 100% accurate

All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

DNA contains a coded language

The coded language in DNA originated from an intelligence.

You also need to examine the falsification method, its ABSURD to say the least.

It states because "something" CAN NOT be proven to be false, we therefore must ASSUME it is false. this is? the absences of logic and reason
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< http://www.youtube.com/user/toobsucker >

Will toobsucker come over? I've left a link....

EDIT: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIezfosDNJM >

Link to thread with active "conversation". Currently just DI talking points.

But this is a gem:


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"Come over to ATBC, tell us all about it and we can examine your claims of "evidence" in as much detail as you like"

I will when I get more time. I have very little time on line now (2-3 days a week a few hours a day) and IM on theologyweb and others.

Trust? me I would love to dismantle PZ Myers logic, which is simple to do
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Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 09 2011,15:43



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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

Gould said the Cambrian explosion went from the "many phylum to the few" the OPPOSITE of what was predicted. when your falsified you? guys just quietly change the theories. how nice
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HGT is just a reason to explain away?? the lack of evidence the original theory made. That we should see the few evolving into the many. and closely related species should have more similarities than distantly related species. FALSIFIED.

So HGT to the rescue. Just as P.E. did for sudden appearance and stasis
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The atheist can never open that door of I.D. even when he practices the very thing he says IS NOT SCIENCE. it scares him
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Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 09 2011,16:20

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 09 2011,15:43)


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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

Gould said the Cambrian explosion went from the "many phylum to the few" the OPPOSITE of what was predicted. when your falsified you? guys just quietly change the theories. how nice
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HGT is just a reason to explain away?? the lack of evidence the original theory made. That we should see the few evolving into the many. and closely related species should have more similarities than distantly related species. FALSIFIED.

So HGT to the rescue. Just as P.E. did for sudden appearance and stasis
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The atheist can never open that door of I.D. even when he practices the very thing he says IS NOT SCIENCE. it scares him
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Shorter toobsucker:



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ID is everything!  Evolution is wrong!  Atheists are dummydoodyheads!!!!
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Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 09 2011,16:54

So what is encryption?

Hmmm... yet I can think of systems developed by computers that humans can't explain or even figure out how they work.

DNA is not a coded language.

So much for that.  Next.
Posted by: JohnW on Feb. 09 2011,17:02



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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

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If this person isn't Denyse O'Leary, it's someone who's taken her course in How to Write Good Like What I Does.
Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 09 2011,17:07



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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 09 2011,18:05

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)


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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
Posted by: Wolfhound on Feb. 09 2011,19:42

Sometimes the shortest, crudest responses are the most eloquent.

To wit:  What a dumbfuck.
Posted by: Wolfhound on Feb. 09 2011,19:43

Freakin' misspelling!   :angry: I wanna edit button!
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 09 2011,19:48

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)


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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'd like to see him use Intelligent Design to explain organisms like Opabinia, or Dicranurus or even the Panda.
Posted by: Wolfhound on Feb. 09 2011,21:09

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Freakin' misspelling!   :angry: I wanna edit button!
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sqeeeeeeeeeeee!

Thank you!
Posted by: Texas Teach on Feb. 09 2011,21:17

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)


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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 09 2011,22:01

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
 

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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I know, isn't she the epic bomb?
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 09 2011,22:07

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
 

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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 09 2011,23:06

Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 09 2011,22:07)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
   
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
   
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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.
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Or by a < Richard Lenski >.
Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 09 2011,23:57

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,20:01)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
 

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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I know, isn't she the epic bomb?
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Insert raunchy conjugation pun here.
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 10 2011,00:20

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 09 2011,23:06)
Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 09 2011,22:07)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
   
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
     
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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.
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Or by a < Richard Lenski >.
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Dr Lenski's flensing can only be approximated by Omega Beams.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 10 2011,00:30

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 09 2011,23:57)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,20:01)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
   

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DNA is not a coded language.
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Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.
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I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.
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I know, isn't she the epic bomb?
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Insert raunchy conjugation pun here.
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I can't give you any conjugation puns, so how about a couple of declension puns:

1) "I'd rather decline two drinks than one German adjective" (Sam Clemens)

2) "Latin students never decline sex" (perhaps because they're rarely given the opportunity?)
Posted by: Cubist on Feb. 10 2011,00:58



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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
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This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 10 2011,06:48

Sad thing is toobsucker is not the only one

If you want to see TARD in its native form, YouTube is the place to be

I've invited another person to this thread.  They go by the username "karamarouge" and they, and these are there words:
"Will not defend ID as destroying one argument doesn't promote the other" (paraphrase)
"If ur theory is untestable, unfalsifiable & unobservable, it isnt science. It is RELIGION." (actual quote)

Hopefully, he'll come here too
Posted by: MichaelJ on Feb. 10 2011,14:49

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 10 2011,15:58)


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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
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This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?
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Or ... DNA is an example of a coded language that didn't originate from intelligence.

I can assume my conclusion just like any creationist
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 10 2011,15:18

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 09 2011,15:41)
A random quote.
 

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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

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< http://www.youtube.com/user/toobsucker >
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You know, I've been thinking about this and I can come up with dozens of examples of coded language without intelligence.

First, what is language?  In this case, I mean it to be the method of transmitting information from one individual to another individual by a set of rules and processes understand by both parties to convey certain information (maybe Arden can stick his $0.02 in here).

We obviously cannot use 'spoken' or 'written' for language because that would eliminate DNA.

With that being said, the following are all examples of language developed by non-sentient creatures:
1) bees' wiggle dance (used to tell other bees where the flowers are)
2) marmots' and similar species' alarm calls
3) wolves' howling, barking and scent marks
4) chemical signals emitted by corals

Etc. etc. etc.

Well, so much for that.
Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 10 2011,21:42

Then there's also the minor detail that an evolving gene pool has at least two of the attributes we associate with intelligence - it tries different variations, even if at random, and it keeps records of what produced the more successful of those variations.

Henry
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 11 2011,04:59

Here's another live wire full of themselves, karamarouge.

He(?) keeps spouting out "new lines of reasoning" that destroys Evolution which is actually the same old PRATT

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-Iqt02Asg >
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 11 2011,05:17

After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
Posted by: Robin on Feb. 11 2011,07:45

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 10 2011,00:58)

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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
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This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?
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I must quibble - Are not dog barks and growls, and bird squawks and songs, deliberate coded language?  Certainly monkey hoots and screams are and I doubt anyone would argue that the sounds bonobos, chimpanzees, and orangutans make aren't intended coded language. And for an even more obvious example, what are the squeaks and grunts and hums of whales if not coded language?

I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is  really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 11 2011,07:46

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
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Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?


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The poor little fellow who went to the south
 Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
 And his mind became a blank.
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< http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html >
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 11 2011,07:52

Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 11 2011,07:46)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
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Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?

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The poor little fellow who went to the south
 Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
 And his mind became a blank.
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< http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html >
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Thanks, I will

I'm hoping for the "bible is good" stuff so I can bring out the slavery stuff
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 11 2011,08:25

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,07:52)
Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 11 2011,07:46)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
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Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?

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The poor little fellow who went to the south
 Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
 And his mind became a blank.
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< http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html >
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Thanks, I will

I'm hoping for the "bible is good" stuff so I can bring out the slavery stuff
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Don't forget to ask him WHICH Bible is right (since there are at least 6 all with different books) and how he knows.

Ask him to apply his scientific knowledge to the Bible and perhaps (if he brings up morality, which is sounds like he is) ask him this:

If God tells you to start eating babies, what will you do?
1) Not eat babies - in this case, God is actually amoral.

2) God would never say that because it's wrong - in this case, there IS a morality external to God, which means that he is subject to it... then bring up, slavery, rape, genocide, etc, etc.

3) Get the ketchup! - in which case you run, do not walk, way from the loon (although his statements are now clear to everyone on the internet).
Posted by: oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Feb. 11 2011,08:42

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 11 2011,07:45)
I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is  really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.
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My response to the "DNA is a language" issue is to ask whoever is making the claim to translate some DNA into English. After all, one of the features of a true language is that it can be translated from one language to another.

If they cannot do that then the next step is to point out that then perhaps "Language" is not the right word....
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 11 2011,08:43

yall know this bitch aint showin up to this thread, right?
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 11 2011,09:19

Of course, why would he actually attempt to defend his claims when he can say whatever he wants on youtube with no argument?

He's a coward... but we all know that.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 11 2011,09:25

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 11 2011,09:19)
Of course, why would he actually attempt to defend his claims when he can say whatever he wants on youtube with no argument?

He's a coward... but we all know that.
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There's toobsucker who claims they're out until next week and karamarouge who thinks that this place is a joke:

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people who post nonsense like this?

"How long can his tardgasm go on? Until the pointless waste of his daddy's semen ups and dies.

Still, think happy thoughts, eh."

AND

"100 quatloos he watches this thread and pops in with a tard-a-gram right after any wagered time limit."


"A Joe G-spot tornado"


Seriously this garbage is what you think passes for science?

Are you serious?
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He'll use that excuse not to go here as I pointed out, real science can't be done in 500 character blocks that require bot checks and sometimes it looks as if you didn't post anything.

Then I hit him with

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If you don't want to go to the Anti Evolution site and I can understand your reluctance due to you know you have no argument
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At least though I got others pointed here even if the little boy decides to "pass up such crass people"
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 11 2011,10:32

Just remind him that we say those things because others start with them.  Or that there is no arguement (oh, you did that).  Or they others can't discuss science because they don't understand it (like JoeG).

Tell him, he has a personal challenge from me to discuss science and only science.  I'll happily take care of it, but only here where we can post pictures and links (that he won't read).
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 11 2011,10:38

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 11 2011,10:32)
Just remind him that we say those things because others start with them.  Or that there is no arguement (oh, you did that).  Or they others can't discuss science because they don't understand it (like JoeG).

Tell him, he has a personal challenge from me to discuss science and only science.  I'll happily take care of it, but only here where we can post pictures and links (that he won't read).
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Done:

- Howdy bud, I have a person who would like to invite you to the Anti Evolution board

This is from OgreMarkIV:
"Tell him, he has a personal challenge from me to discuss science and only science.  I'll happily take care of it, but only here where we can post pictures and links (that he won't read)"

Here:
/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=7217;st=30

If the "meanies" are too much, just telling you that they have no problem slinging BS back at others
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 12 2011,05:55

It seems he doesn't want to come here

From

Here's a few gems if you don't make it over there:

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"3: Hard parts? fossilize better"

here were go again with your ignorance being exposed! The cambrian fossil are both soft bodied and hard bodied animals. Matter of fact the oldest fossils are microscopic soft bodied embryos found by DR Zhang in the hunan province of china!

Stop lying!!!

Stop fucking lying!!!!
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-and-

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5:" Evolution "explodes" when there are empty niches to fill, there was a huge niche? starting in the Late Vendian"

This is another dumb argument!!!

HEY YOU IDIOT, IF THIS WERE TRUE THEN WE WOULD NOT BE MISSING THE LARGEST MAJORITY OF ALL LIFE THAT EVER EXISTED ON EARTH!!!

Seriously, there has got to be a limit to the stupidity of the the arguments you make! Right now the world's "niches" are mostly empty! Why didnt evolution "explode" to replace 99% of all dead species?
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I can hardly wait to be told I'm going to hell
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 12 2011,07:16

This guy's a complete moron.  Alex, I'll take Strawman Arguments for 8 billion.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 12 2011,07:36

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This guy's a complete moron.  Alex, I'll take Strawman Arguments for 8 billion.
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We think he's 16 and just completed his the DvD set from "Dr. Dino's and his Hardonyoursoreass talk about Evilution and why it's impossible, praise Jebus" series and wants to go show the world he has the power to vanquish the evil that is evilution to bring about god's second cumming

I just hope the guy can find a virgin like he did the last time
Posted by: Quack on Feb. 12 2011,08:20

Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 12 2011,08:46

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Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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They don't like playing on a fair and level field where idiocy is left up for all to see and good points remain no matter how devastating it is to the side that doesn't like it
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 12 2011,09:23

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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Because they use their faith in Jesus to act like lying assholes who arrogantly assume that they know more than actual scientists.
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 12 2011,09:36

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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One word: Cowards
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 12 2011,09:57

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,09:36)
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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One word: Cowards
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That brings up another question: If their faith in Jesus grants them intellectual superiority, intellectual invulnerability, and the ability to command Jesus to damn anyone and everyone they don't like to Hell,  why would they need to be cowards?
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 12 2011,10:48

Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 12 2011,09:57)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,09:36)
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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One word: Cowards
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That brings up another question: If their faith in Jesus grants them intellectual superiority, intellectual invulnerability, and the ability to command Jesus to damn anyone and everyone they don't like to Hell,  why would they need to be cowards?
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Heck, they can't even cure arthritis.
Posted by: Badger3k on Feb. 12 2011,10:57

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 12 2011,08:46)
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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They don't like playing on a fair and level field where idiocy is left up for all to see and good points remain no matter how devastating it is to the side that doesn't like it
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Same reason they prefer debates in person - they don't want there to be written evidence of their arguments, don't want to give their opponent time to research and present the evidence needed to overcome the inevitable gish gallop, and they don't want to give onlookers the time to actually read, consider, look at the evidence, etc.

It's much easier to preach in a debate.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 12 2011,11:31

pssssh would you wanna fight mike tyson?  where the fuck is deadman anyway

i don't blame the lying little bastards
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 12 2011,12:09

Well I replied to the weasel, even kept as many swear words out as I could but still found time to throw him under his own words

I had nothing better to do today
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 12 2011,13:28

You go Sol!
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 12 2011,14:24

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,13:28)
You go Sol!
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sarcasm?  :D

Hey, no worries, on a conference call most of the day so what a better, and far more productive waste of my time
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 12 2011,15:19

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 12 2011,14:24)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,13:28)
You go Sol!
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sarcasm?  :D

Hey, no worries, on a conference call most of the day so what a better, and far more productive waste of my time
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Heh, I know the feeling.  I've been assigned to three HUGE projects.  Of course, one of them won't start until April.  ONe has exactly 9 days of actual work for me over the next six months and the third will have 5 days... next week.

Drives me insane that I have to go begging for work to do to.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 15 2011,14:44

toobsucker is back:

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIezfosDNJM >

A few comments he made to me:

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"As ID declares that something designed life on Earth, then something designed the designer and so on to infinite regression"

Right but why do you start the investigation of the "first life" in the universe on planet earth with the carbon based life form that had to be created via random copying errors. A much more? plausible scenario is the abiogenesis of a "intellect" before the singularity and before? entropy exists. If you have FOREVER for life to arise its chances become 100% or 1
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"We know that evolution is a fact, the details are still being worked on, just like physics"

We know minor changes within? every species is observable. And? we know WHY they are observable, because the information for minor changes exist in every species. However the information for huge dramatic changes are NOT on file in our genome. But you make the LEAP of faith that says HUGE changes are a fact when there is NO evidence for it, either in the fossil record or in molecular biology
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"and there's no reason to assume that the machine was ever designed"

How about the little fact that there? is NO evidence random copying errors + any natural occurrence you want to add to the theory can create the molecular machines

And the little fact that an intelligence CAN AND HAVE designed and created the molecular machines we see in the cell.

So you understand you are not even grounded in basic logical reasoning?
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I like the ad hom that I don't have any basic or logical reasoning skills.

It is nice to be loved.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 15 2011,15:05

There's also this gem, to a quote I didn't make

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"Every time I tried to open the door there was a brick wall behind it. If there were something to test."

There is something to? test. the test is a simple one.

To chose the best candidate for the origins the information in DNA & RNA.? Those candidate are natural undirected forces or a pre-existing intelligence.

I have evidence a pre-existing intelligence can write coded information. So now the burden of proof is on the naturalist to prove coded information can arise naturally.
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Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 15 2011,15:53



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I have evidence a pre-existing intelligence can write coded information. So now the burden of proof is on the naturalist to prove coded information can arise naturally.
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You may have evidence that a human intelligence can write coded information, however, you presumably have zero evidence for a human or human-like intelligence existing at the origin of life on Earth.

OTOH,
 Tree rings encode information about the climate that existed when the rings were formed.
Orientation of the earths' magnetic field is encoded in the magnetic domains of crystals that solidified as the magma emerged and spread in the mid-Atlantic rift zone.
 Ice cores encode the annual snowfall and other climactic data that existed when the ice was formed.
 The fossil record encodes the morphology of plants and animals that existed when the sediments were laid down.
 
 Obviously nature can create complex, specified, coded information.
 Now, show us your evidence for the pre-existing human-like intelligence that you say is the best explanation for the genetic code.
Posted by: Dr.GH on Feb. 15 2011,17:15

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,08:48)
Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 12 2011,09:57)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,09:36)
 
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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One word: Cowards
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That brings up another question: If their faith in Jesus grants them intellectual superiority, intellectual invulnerability, and the ability to command Jesus to damn anyone and everyone they don't like to Hell,  why would they need to be cowards?
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Heck, they can't even cure arthritis.
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Shit, they cannot even cure nail fungus by prayer. Tincture of iodine does just dandy by the way. (Just mentioning this for Louis and his mum).


Posted by: Louis on Feb. 15 2011,19:43

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 15 2011,23:15)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,08:48)
 
Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 12 2011,09:57)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2011,09:36)
   
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 12 2011,08:20)
Why are creationists so mean, leaving us talking to ourselves?
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One word: Cowards
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That brings up another question: If their faith in Jesus grants them intellectual superiority, intellectual invulnerability, and the ability to command Jesus to damn anyone and everyone they don't like to Hell,  why would they need to be cowards?
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Heck, they can't even cure arthritis.
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Shit, they cannot even cure nail fungus by prayer. Tincture of iodine does just dandy by the way. (Just mentioning this for Louis and his mum).
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Too kind, too kind.

Louis
Posted by: Stanton on Feb. 15 2011,22:03

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 11 2011,08:42)
Quote (Robin @ Feb. 11 2011,07:45)
I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is  really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.
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My response to the "DNA is a language" issue is to ask whoever is making the claim to translate some DNA into English. After all, one of the features of a true language is that it can be translated from one language to another.

If they cannot do that then the next step is to point out that then perhaps "Language" is not the right word....
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Of course DNA is a language: Creationists said that God said so, so there [/snark]
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 15 2011,22:17

Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 15 2011,22:03)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 11 2011,08:42)
 
Quote (Robin @ Feb. 11 2011,07:45)
I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is  really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.
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My response to the "DNA is a language" issue is to ask whoever is making the claim to translate some DNA into English. After all, one of the features of a true language is that it can be translated from one language to another.

If they cannot do that then the next step is to point out that then perhaps "Language" is not the right word....
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Of course DNA is a language: Creationists said that God said so, so there [/snark]
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The Gospel according to Xhtwobwe the time-travelling, ninja, cell-biologist.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,06:36

I invited another prolific poster at YouTube "Mekelsior", you can catch his antics here [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-j5kKSk_6U;Mekelsior[/URL] here to give their incredible evidence
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 16 2011,08:42

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,06:36)
I invited another prolific poster at YouTube "Mekelsior", you can catch his antics here [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-j5kKSk_6U;Mekelsior[/URL] here to give their incredible evidence
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If the evidence is so damned incredible, then why isn't he publishing it and making a fortune on the speaking circuit?
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 16 2011,09:04

the only tards that are going to come here are the ones entirely disconnected from reality (booby, Kwis, mabus, vmartin).  

The folks who know T.A.R.D. is full of shit and are variously conflicted about it are sorta grown up level fun (FtK, Joy, Heddle).  They don't imbue the same sort of thrill as the windup dolls like JoeG where all you have to do is yank his string and he busts a couple of springs.

The folks who know that T.A.R.D. is bullshit and still repeat it tend to disappear from this board pretty quickly.  Floyd Lee is the most memorable recent exception.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,12:23

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,06:36)
I invited another prolific poster at YouTube "Mekelsior", you can catch his antics here < here > here to give their incredible evidence
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"Incredible evidence" in the sense that it's not credible evidence?
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,12:42

WTF is this guy trying to say?

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""How then do they? get written?" are we going from evolution, change in allele frequency, to abiogenesis now?"

No abiogenesis? is how the single cell naturally came into being. Distantly related species have identical DNA sequences that have not changed since the species made its appearance. Thos means the completed species has a DNA sequence that IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

If a DNA sequence CAN NOT change when the only mechanisms for DNA change are introduced, how does it get arranged?
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Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 16 2011,12:49

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,12:42)
WTF is this guy trying to say?

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""How then do they? get written?" are we going from evolution, change in allele frequency, to abiogenesis now?"

No abiogenesis? is how the single cell naturally came into being. Distantly related species have identical DNA sequences that have not changed since the species made its appearance. Thos means the completed species has a DNA sequence that IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

If a DNA sequence CAN NOT change when the only mechanisms for DNA change are introduced, how does it get arranged?
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Here's the translation:

"Hello.  I'm too stupid to understand what all of this stuff really means, but I've been told by my pastor that I'm against it.  Since I'm fighting the Good Fight ™, it doesn't matter what I say.  If I can get a sciency person to go 'huh?', then I automatically win... at least that's what they tell me.

In other words, I'm a moron."

Your welcome.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 16 2011,13:26

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:42)
WTF is this guy trying to say?

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""How then do they? get written?" are we going from evolution, change in allele frequency, to abiogenesis now?"

No abiogenesis? is how the single cell naturally came into being. Distantly related species have identical DNA sequences that have not changed since the species made its appearance. Thos means the completed species has a DNA sequence that IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

If a DNA sequence CAN NOT change when the only mechanisms for DNA change are introduced, how does it get arranged?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,13:46

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,12:42)
WTF is this guy trying to say?  

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""How then do they? get written?" are we going from evolution, change in allele frequency, to abiogenesis now?"

No abiogenesis? is how the single cell naturally came into being. Distantly related species have identical DNA sequences that have not changed since the species made its appearance. Thos means the completed species has a DNA sequence that IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

If a DNA sequence CAN NOT change when the only mechanisms for DNA change are introduced, how does it get arranged?
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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say this is some sort of garbled reference to a vague memory of having once heard and misunderstood something about conserved sequences.  "Some DNA sequences are conserved" ---> "ZOMG DNA doesn't change so evolution can't happen!"
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,13:59

More quotes:

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"ID predicts what?"

You must take into consideration the REAL animosity among naturalists and intelligent designers in science. If an evolutionist conducts tests or submits papers that supports I.D. he is shooting his own theory in the foot. I think many biologists can make predictions based on design engineering. We have many examples in which designs in nature have given us better insights for improving our? own designs.

Look up "Fly Eyes Inspire Better Video Cameras,Kelly Hearn"
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and

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"Do you mean? how some DNA stays conserved while other DNA sequences change?"

Yes. Science has determined the "importance" of the sequence from the fact that it has not changed in hundreds of millions of years. This would indicate the sequences (codes) in question are not subject the mechanisms for change proposed by the evolutionary theory.

If a DNA sequence is shown to be 100% static against random copying errors, HGT, frame shifts etc..

It has no mechanism to get written
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then

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"Again can or will you give a mechanism that can accurately conclude if a system is Intelligently Designed, Designed (bees and wasps "design" too") or ad hoc (where structures come from changes that give an advantage that is selected for)"

The mechanism is critical thinking. there are so many checks and balances/error correction mechanism in the cells, it would be impossible to build a system like? that without intelligent foresight. DNA has MULTIPLE overlapping codes Trifonov (1989)
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finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language

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Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,14:16

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:59)
finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language  

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Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
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They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Plus it isn't really a grammatical Latin sentence in the first place, so the "message" is at best questionable.  It would in fact be better if you mutated the "S" of ROTAS into an "E" - a point mutation with gain of function.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,14:19

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 16 2011,13:26)
 
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:42)
WTF is this guy trying to say?    

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""How then do they? get written?" are we going from evolution, change in allele frequency, to abiogenesis now?"

No abiogenesis? is how the single cell naturally came into being. Distantly related species have identical DNA sequences that have not changed since the species made its appearance. Thos means the completed species has a DNA sequence that IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

If a DNA sequence CAN NOT change when the only mechanisms for DNA change are introduced, how does it get arranged?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Signs point to no.

Next question?


Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,14:23

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 16 2011,14:16)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:59)
finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language    

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Plus it isn't really a grammatical Latin sentence in the first place, so the "message" is at best questionable.  It would in fact be better if you mutated the "S" of ROTAS into an "E" - a point mutation with gain of function.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


This non biology type person, me, pointed out that DNA is not a linear language, but a 3d structure that folds, twists, whatever and that the removal of one or more nucleotides (I hope that I got it correct) does not mean that there is any loss of function.

Then I asked if ID has found a way to measure the information in DNA and if so I'd like to see it.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,14:39

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,14:23)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 16 2011,14:16)
 
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:59)
finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language      

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Plus it isn't really a grammatical Latin sentence in the first place, so the "message" is at best questionable.  It would in fact be better if you mutated the "S" of ROTAS into an "E" - a point mutation with gain of function.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


This non biology type person, me, pointed out that DNA is not a linear language, but a 3d structure that folds, twists, whatever and that the removal of one or more nucleotides (I hope that I got it correct) does not mean that there is any loss of function.

Then I asked if ID has found a way to measure the information in DNA and if so I'd like to see it.
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Guess what?  I'm not a biology person either.  But I think what's important is not the changes to the DNA per se, but what they mean to the amino acid sequence (and hence the folding etc.) of the proteins the DNA codes for.  Some mutations simply change one codon into a different codon that specifies the very same amino acid, making no difference at all to the generated protein.  Others will cause a different amino acid to be substituted, which may or may not change the protein in a significant way.  Deletions are more interesting because they can shift the reading frame and effect a whole slew of changes to the protein all in one fell swoop.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 16 2011,14:40

Does genetic entropy conserve the function of gains of information complexity specified to function in and over time log loss plots design?
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Feb. 16 2011,14:58

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 16 2011,15:16)
     
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:59)
finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language      

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Plus it isn't really a grammatical Latin sentence in the first place, so the "message" is at best questionable.  It would in fact be better if you mutated the "S" of ROTAS into an "E" - a point mutation with gain of function.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,15:34

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 16 2011,14:58)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 16 2011,15:16)
       
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 16 2011,13:59)
finally my favorite, assigning an analogy of a 3d structure to a linear language        

---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Dr. Sanford gives an example of poly-functional and poly-constraint in? this illustration found on page 141 of Genetic Entropy

S A T O R

A R E P O

T E N E T

O P E R A

R O T A S

Which is translated ;

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

If we change (mutate) any letter we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation."

Just as with a crossword puzzle in which two words utilize one letter to make both words coherent
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

They don't dazzle with brilliance, they baffle with bullshit
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


Plus it isn't really a grammatical Latin sentence in the first place, so the "message" is at best questionable.  It would in fact be better if you mutated the "S" of ROTAS into an "E" - a point mutation with gain of function.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


O W A H
T A F U
L Y A M
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 16 2011,15:34

Remember that you can change DNA and not change the resulting protein.

RNA 'AGC' and 'UCU' both translate to the same amino acid.

Likewise, you can change the protein without changing the DNA code.  (mistake in tRNA, etc)

Further, you can even change the DNA code and change the amino acid in the protein and have absolutely no effect on the action of the protein.

Finally, you can change DNA or the protein and change the effect of the protein.

DNA only twists and folds in a very specific manner around the time for mitosis or meiosis.  It's the proteins that fold to generate active sites.

I hope that helps.  

This kid couldn't get a clue if his dad bought a night with a clue and a clue hotel room.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,15:43

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 16 2011,15:34)
Remember that you can change DNA and not change the resulting protein.

RNA 'AGC' and 'UCU' both translate to the same amino acid.

Likewise, you can change the protein without changing the DNA code.  (mistake in tRNA, etc)

Further, you can even change the DNA code and change the amino acid in the protein and have absolutely no effect on the action of the protein.

Finally, you can change DNA or the protein and change the effect of the protein.

DNA only twists and folds in a very specific manner around the time for mitosis or meiosis.  It's the proteins that fold to generate active sites.

I hope that helps.  

This kid couldn't get a clue if his dad bought a night with a clue and a clue hotel room.
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It does

I think though that the one answering now is not a student but a "master"

They use a lot of hand waving and try to discredit the very thing they are using to "prove" ID
Posted by: Henry J on Feb. 16 2011,16:04



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Yes. Science has determined the "importance" of the sequence from the fact that it has not changed in hundreds of millions of years. This would indicate the sequences (codes) in question are not subject the mechanisms for change proposed by the evolutionary theory.
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What that would indicate is that changes to that sequence cause the offspring to be unsuccessful at producing more descendants. It isn't that it isn't subject to the mechanisms - it is subject to them; offspring can be produced with changes in that area, but they are less successful than their relatives at producing more descendants after that.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 16 2011,18:15

DARWINIST
Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 16 2011,19:15

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 16 2011,12:58)
I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
Posted by: sledgehammer on Feb. 16 2011,20:00

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 16 2011,17:15)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 16 2011,12:58)
I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------


I don't get it.  Could someone spell it out for me?

ETA actually I'd prefer a subtle hint so I won't feel so stoopid.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,20:11

Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 16 2011,20:00)
Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 16 2011,17:15)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 16 2011,12:58)
I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

I don't get it.  Could someone spell it out for me?

ETA actually I'd prefer a subtle hint so I won't feel so stoopid.
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Keanu Reeves movie
Posted by: Acipenser on Feb. 16 2011,20:24

1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still.....Michael Remy
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 16 2011,20:35

Quote (Acipenser @ Feb. 16 2011,20:24)
1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still.....Michael Remy
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"Army of Darkness" ..... Bruce Campbell as Ash
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on Feb. 16 2011,20:49

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1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still.....Michael Remy
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The 1951 version is superior to the recent rehash. The actor was Michael Rennie. The ship and its interior were extremely cool for 1951, and still holds up well today. Plus the story was better before they messed with it.










Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 16 2011,21:39

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I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
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I don't get it.  Could someone spell it out for me?

ETA actually I'd prefer a subtle hint so I won't feel so stoopid.
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Keanu Reeves movie
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Begone, spawn of Satan!
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 17 2011,04:28

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Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 16 2011,20:00)
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I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
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I don't get it.  Could someone spell it out for me?

ETA actually I'd prefer a subtle hint so I won't feel so stoopid.
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Keanu Reeves movie
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Begone, spawn of Satan!
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Hey, it was an excellent adventure
Posted by: Wolfhound on Feb. 17 2011,10:48

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 12 2011,12:31)
pssssh would you wanna fight mike tyson?  where the fuck is deadman anyway
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I've been holding him hostage.  I'll let him know that you want him to come out and play, though.   :D
Posted by: Wolfhound on Feb. 17 2011,11:00

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 16 2011,22:39)
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Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 16 2011,17:15)
   
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 16 2011,12:58)
I like

K L A A T U

B A R A D A

N I K T O

Which translates to "Gort, would you terribly mind retrieving klaatu's corpse and placing it on the resurrection table?" Change just one letter and Gort either uses his ray to prepare a delicious creme brulee or builds the fastest soap box derby racer ever seen in Akron.
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

potd. :-)
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I don't get it.  Could someone spell it out for me?

ETA actually I'd prefer a subtle hint so I won't feel so stoopid.
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Keanu Reeves movie
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Begone, spawn of Satan!
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Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 17 2011,14:36

This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
Posted by: Texas Teach on Feb. 17 2011,17:30

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This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
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I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 17 2011,18:16

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This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30  

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
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I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
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It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.
Posted by: Texas Teach on Feb. 17 2011,21:38

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This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30  

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
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I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
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It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.
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Which were obviously designed to hold just that information.  Waterlooooooo!!!!1!!111oneone!!!
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 18 2011,05:26

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This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30  

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
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I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
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It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.
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Are you saying it's in a degenerate state?

Or, as it lacks substance, is immune to the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 18 2011,08:13

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Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 17 2011,18:16)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 17 2011,17:30)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 17 2011,14:36)
This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30    

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
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I can hardly wait.
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I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
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It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.
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Are you saying it's in a degenerate state?

Or, as it lacks substance, is immune to the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
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I was going to add something funny about < WIMPs >, but had to look them up.

It's even funnier than I though.  From the Wikipedia link above:



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These particles interact through the weak nuclear force and gravity, and possibly through other interactions no stronger than the weak force
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So they only interact weakly... much like creationists who can't interact with adults and scientists.



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Because they do not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly
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Much like the creationist/ID research program.



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because they do not interact with the strong nuclear force they do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
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So they have absolutely no influence on the real world except as very dense, very heavy particles that may be the invisible, dark matter.



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This combination of properties gives WIMPs many of the properties of neutrinos, save for being far more massive and therefore slower.
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Yep, small bus kinda slow.  

I could on with the comparison, but I think the picture is clear.  From now on, I will refer to these people as WIMPs.
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 18 2011,08:24

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 18 2011,08:13)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 18 2011,05:26)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 17 2011,18:16)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 17 2011,17:30)
 
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 17 2011,14:36)
This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30

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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

I can hardly wait.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------

It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.
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Are you saying it's in a degenerate state?

Or, as it lacks substance, is immune to the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
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I was going to add something funny about < WIMPs >, but had to look them up.

It's even funnier than I though.  From the Wikipedia link above:

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These particles interact through the weak nuclear force and gravity, and possibly through other interactions no stronger than the weak force
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So they only interact weakly... much like creationists who can't interact with adults and scientists.

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Because they do not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly
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Much like the creationist/ID research program.

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because they do not interact with the strong nuclear force they do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
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So they have absolutely no influence on the real world except as very dense, very heavy particles that may be the invisible, dark matter.

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This combination of properties gives WIMPs many of the properties of neutrinos, save for being far more massive and therefore slower.
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Yep, small bus kinda slow.  

I could on with the comparison, but I think the picture is clear.  From now on, I will refer to these people as WIMPs.
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Sniff, sniff, so beautiful

Physics has never been more poignant or accurate
Posted by: noncarborundum on Feb. 18 2011,08:25

[quote=OgreMkV,Feb. 18 2011,08:13][quote=Sol3a1,Feb. 18 2011,05:26]
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From now on, I will refer to these people as WIMPs.
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Willfully Ignorant Misinformation Purveyors?
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 18 2011,08:32

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Willfully Ignorant Misinformation Purveyors?
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Woefully Inadequate Mental Posers
Posted by: fnxtr on Feb. 18 2011,08:35

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This combination of properties gives WIMPs many of the properties of neutrinos, save for being far more massive and therefore slower.
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The slowest and densest of particles: the moron.
Posted by: OgreMkV on Feb. 18 2011,09:00

WIMPs = Weakly Interacting Massive Problems


There's a blog post in this.
Posted by: Badger3k on Feb. 18 2011,22:44

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Willfully Ignorant Misinformation Purveyors?
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Woefully Inadequate Mental Posers
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Wouldn't that be "Poseurs"?  Spelt that way, it reeks of "breeding" (or maybe inbreeding...)
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 19 2011,04:21

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Willfully Ignorant Misinformation Purveyors?
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Woefully Inadequate Mental Posers
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Wouldn't that be "Poseurs"?  Spelt that way, it reeks of "breeding" (or maybe inbreeding...)
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Exactly
Posted by: Sol3a1 on Feb. 21 2011,18:37

After several days of absence, a "toobsucker" sock is back:

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIezfosDNJM >

I'm tired but here's something for those who want to go and get entangled with a real DI disciple.
Posted by: Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 21 2011,19:24

naah better to talk smack to one who makes no pretense of having half a fucking brain than to one who knows he don't but will lie about it.  the lulz multiplier is low for discoveroids unless you can use them against kwok
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