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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,11:35   

There is a good article at Red State Rabble and PT but someone should make a copy of this page http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9808/reviews/dembski.html before it vanishes.  And there is a years worth of material in Dembski's comments.  What a complete maroon.

Amazing to think a math PhD falls for the bible codes.  Someone with that kind of education should be the first to see through such nonsense.

I always though deep down Demsbki was probably a bright guy who is simply cashing in on the ignorance of true believing christians.  Now I realize he is just another ignorant crank/quack.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,11:41   

my favorite bit:
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But perhaps that wedding is not unique. At the same time that research in the Bible Code has taken off, research in a seemingly unrelated field has taken off as well, namely, biological design. These two fields are in fact closely related. Indeed, the same highly improbable, independently given patterns that appear as the equidistant letter sequences in the Bible Code appear in biology as functionally integrated ("irreducibly complex") biological systems, of the sort Michael Behe discussed in Darwin’s Black Box.

The relevant statistical methodology is identical for both fields.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,11:47   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 18 2006,17:41)
my favorite bit:
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But perhaps that wedding is not unique. At the same time that research in the Bible Code has taken off, research in a seemingly unrelated field has taken off as well, namely, biological design. These two fields are in fact closely related. Indeed, the same highly improbable, independently given patterns that appear as the equidistant letter sequences in the Bible Code appear in biology as functionally integrated ("irreducibly complex") biological systems, of the sort Michael Behe discussed in Darwin’s Black Box.

The relevant statistical methodology is identical for both fields.

Behe puts ID in the same category as astrology and Demsbki puts ID in the same category as the Bible codes.

And they wonder why no one takes them or their IDiot theories seriously.

*One* of my favortie quotes

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The human authors of the Bible, writing well before the advent of computers, would have been incapable of consciously introducing into the Bible the patterns that Bible Code researchers are finding by means of computers. Hence these patterns, if not attributable to chance, must stem from a non-human intelligence.


Yeah it's all about "pattern detection" and I see a real pattern developing here but it has nothing to do with intelligence...

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,12:18   

Logically, DaveScot must now convert to christianity. If the Bible Code methodology is equivalent to Intelligent Design's methodology, and Intelligent Design's methodology is sound...

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,13:20   

Wasn't there a paper published a couple years ago where someone demonstrated that hidden messages a la the 'Bible Codes' could also just as easily be gotten out of Moby Dick? I wonder if Dembski would then have to ascribe religious significance to that book as well...

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,14:37   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 18 2006,19:20)
Wasn't there a paper published a couple years ago where someone demonstrated that hidden messages a la the 'Bible Codes' could also just as easily be gotten out of Moby Dick? I wonder if Dembski would then have to ascribe religious significance to that book as well...

Skeptical Inquirer has had a ton of fun with the Bible codes.  The first article was in 1997, note Dembski's book review was in 1998.  Too bad Demsbki does not subscribe to SI, he could have saved himself some humiliation.  Enjoy:

Hidden Messages and The Bible Code

Bible Codes Follow-up

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,14:55   

LOL
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The promoters of hidden-message claims say, "How could such amazing coincidences be the product of random chance?"
Sound familiar, DaveScot?

   
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,16:02   

Looks like Phillip E. Johnson smokes from the same  Bible codes pipe...

What Would Newton Do?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2006,16:11   

Dembski and Johnson:


   
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2006,06:21   

This guy says
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For those of you who might think there is something to these "codes", here is a simple test.  Apply the "Explanatory Filter" defined by William Dembski in his books on Intelligent Design.  You will find that the codes fail Dembski's Explanatory Filter.  Dismally.


Hmm...Looks like Dembski could have used his own magical construct to refute the Bible code himself.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2006,08:07   

Take a moment to get a load of these actual bible code "matrix" results (complete with actual diagrams of the Hebrew text) to fully understand the stupidity therein.

Nonsense for the naive

SARS, 9/11, Mel Gibson, Saddam Hussein's capture, Columbia Shuttle, the Iraqi election, evil rock and roll, kidney stones, Lady Diana, the Beatles, and even scientific proof for the bible code itself (front loaded proof?) are all predicted in the ancient Hebrew texts via the bible code!

And Dembski believes this crap.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2006,17:06   

I played with the math once for things like this. The impression I was left with was that for something about the length of the Bible, most short words would appear in it someplace, and likely quite a few short phrases. So if one doesn't decide ahead of time exactly what phrases are wanted, there's probably some in there that would be close enough to the wanted meaning.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2013,15:42   

Financial Bible Code!

http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews....141BA-1

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2013,21:14   

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Financial Bible Code!

http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews....141BA-1

Buy my book to learn how.

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