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argystokes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,00:40   

This is a continuing discussion from the UnReasonable Kansans thread, that I thought should have a thread of its own (hey, if we can have a guitar thread, baseball threads gotta be OK, right?).

Reciprocating Bill wrote:
 
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I'm not sure on what basis you'd expect Borowski's productivity to drop so dramatically. He saved 36 games for the Marlins in '06, and he was healthy all last season.


The main basis for my prediction of Borowski's decline was his atrocious ERA, which topped 5 in 2007. He was the only one of the top 30 save-getters in the league to "achieve" this feat. His 8 blown saves isn't very good, but isn't abominable either. His tolerable save rate despite the poor ERA means that he gave up just enough runs to not lose, or that he blew up a few times which ruined his season averages. Looking through his game log, he only gave up 3+ runs three times (4,4,6), so it's more of the former. Anyway, I don't think there's any evidence that Borowski "gets tough" when he's blown the lead down to one run; rather it's more likely that he happened to let up his runs when he was lucky enough to have just enough of a lead to maintain it.

However, I am a little less certain now about my prediction than I was when I made it. I took a look at Borowski's peripheral numbers, and perhaps he didn't perform quite so badly as his traditional numbers indicate. While his ERA was 5.07, his Fielding Independent Pitching score was an almost-respectable 4.08. This means he allowed more runs than expected based on the number and type of balls he allowed to be put into play. There are several things that can cause these discrepencies, but the stat that jumps out at me for Borowski is his very low LOB%. Once players got on base, they scored more often against Borowski than against most pitchers. This is a statistic that is notoriously unpredictable year-to-year, and can greatly affect ERA.*

So my final analysis of Borowski is that he was unlucky to give up as many runs as he did, but lucky to give them up when he did. All in all, he's still not a very good pitcher, and will be turning 37 in May. He's been in and out of the closer's role for years, and I don't know how much confidence Eric Wedge has in him, but I suspect he'll be yanked at the early signs of ineffectiveness.

*The debate in baseball of scouting vs  sabermetrics has some interesting parallels and antiparallels with the science vs creationism conflict. On the sabermetrician's side is all the science and math, whereas the scouting side relies heavily on tradition, as well as mystical concepts** such as "grit" and "team chemistry." However, in some manner the roles are switched in the baseball debate as compared with the evo conflict. In baseball, the people who tend to staunchly defend the traditional way of managing baseball franchises are the long-time players and managers themselves (the practitioners of baseball being analogous to the practitioners of science). Conversely, the sabermetric movement is a populist movement; anybody with some good math skills and the willingness to crunch numbers should be able to assess a player's value.

**This is apparently not reserved to baseball scouts. One of the girls in my high school biology class was the daughter of a scout for the Baltimore Ravens (that's Futbol Americano). Apparently some of the things that the older scouts looked for in players was just bizarre. For example, quarterbacks with pale blue eyes were thought to have poor leadership abilities (eh, Blipey, maybe that explains Damon Huard's season!).

Well, that's enough for now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,06:53   

Briefly, so we don't have to start an American Football Thread:

Damon Huard's season is inexplicable.  It's amazing that he won 4 games behind that incredibly porous offensive line, using only 1 effective receiver (really a tight end), a rookie wide out (who was pretty good), and no running game.  I'm shocked our record wasn't as bad as the Dolphins--we were every bit as bad on the field.

On the sabermetrics front, I tend to be a sabermetrics guy.  I like the numbers and looking into the game a little deeper than just watching it.  That being said, I think there is certainly something to be said for old fashioned scouting.  I never think you should sign a guy just because a scout says, "I like this guy."  That scout better be able to tell you why "he likes that guy".

I say this because quite often in sports these days you see draftees with great numbers but they don't produce well.  Can this be explained by stats alone?  Sometimes.  Maybe he really was striking out too much coming up in high school or college, but no one paid attention because he had big home run numbers as well.  He gets to pro ball and better pitching always finds his holes.  Sometimes you can't find a stat to explain why a person is as good or bad as they are.  Stats are like that.

People are always telling you (football again) that Doug Flutie could never play in the NFL...except he was a productive player in the NFL for a decade.  He was too short, couldn't throw the long ball, etc.  Sometimes people are blinded by numbers.  Same thing was discussed with Kevin Durant, now in the NBA--too small, not enough length to play inside, he doesn't bench press enough, etc.  You know what?  He might not bench press exactly what you think he should, but he can play basketball.  Isn't that what you want?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,07:20   

Ahhh, baseball.  The pasttime that makes association football / soccer look like high-paced gripping drama...

*ducks behind umpire, then falls asleep*

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,07:39   

Argy, Iím not going to take the bait. Youíre asking me to play a game: ďProvide as much detail in terms of possible causal mechanisms for your position as I do for my position.Ē Baseball is not a mechanistic activity, and itís not my task task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories about baseball.

Srsly, your stats are very interesting. Much more seat of the pants: IIRC, Borowski struggled early in the season last year, but settled down for the most part as the season progressed. His ERA month by month reflects this:

†April 9.0
†May 4.0
†June 3.38
†July 3.60
†August 7.07 (oops)
†September 2.45

His overall ERAs in with the Devil Rays and Marlins in '06 were a respectable 3.82 and 3.75.

Also, in '07 Borowski gave up multiple earned runs on a few occasions when brought in with big leads - 6 to the Yankees on 4/19; 4 to Oakland on 5/13, 4 to detroit on 8/14, which killed his ERA. Outside those appearances, he gave up 2 runs in just four appearances (never 3 runs). He successfully closed a game each against the New York and Boston during the playoffs, in the ALCS game three going 1-2-3 against Lowell, Drew, and Varitek with a two run lead. So there are reasons to expect (hope?) that his ERA will drop in '08 relative to '07.

BTW, I see that Cleveland just signed Betancourt for two more years with an option for 2010. † †

MOST IMPORTANT: pitchers and catchers report in 23 days.

BTW: do you do fantasy baseball? The stats at your fingertips, and your familiarity of stats vis players who aren't local, suggests that you do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,08:03   

Quote (George @ Jan. 24 2008,08:20)
Ahhh, baseball. †The pasttime that makes association football / soccer look like high-paced gripping drama...

*ducks behind umpire, then falls asleep*

George, George, George. What we gonna do with you?

When it works, baseball is a complex mechanism for the storage and release of suspense. Wheels within wheels: each at-bat stores suspense as pitcher faces batter and balls and strikes mount; the bases store possible consequences, and hence suspense, as runners get on and threaten to score; tension winds tighter as outs accumulate; each pitch becomes more consequential as the innings progress and opportunities dwindle. The pace is such that stored suspense is released during bursts of high speed and high skill athletics. The season itself stores suspense in division races; and division, league championship, and world series contests store suspense as wins and losses mount. A brilliant invention, IMHO.

When it doesn't work, it is indeed a good opportunity for a nap.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,08:15   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 24 2008,09:03)
When it works, baseball is a complex mechanism for the storage and release of suspense. Wheels within wheels: each at-bat stores suspense as pitcher faces batter and balls and strikes mount; the bases store possible consequences, and hence suspense, as runners get on and threaten to score; tension winds tighter as outs accumulate; each pitch becomes more consequential as the innings progress and opportunities dwindle. The pace is such that stored suspense is released during bursts of high speed and high skill athletics.

Jeez Bill.  I thought we were supposed to be talking about baseball so we wouldn't be thinking about sex.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,10:13   

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BTW: do you do fantasy baseball? The stats at your fingertips, and your familiarity of stats vis players who aren't local, suggests that you do.


Indeed I do, as part of a three-sport keeper league (I just traded the Timberwolves' Al Jefferson for the Colts' Joseph Addai - how cool would it be if real franchises could do such things?). Joe Borowski is on the roster right now, but unlikely to make the cut.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,16:41   

i think i like this 3 sport keeper concept.  are there rules for which sports can be involved in deals, or how many athletes of each sport you must keep?  while i probably shouldn't spend much time pursuing the 3 sport fantasy league, i'm  tempted...very tempted.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,16:51   

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 24 2008,14:41)
i think i like this 3 sport keeper concept.  are there rules for which sports can be involved in deals, or how many athletes of each sport you must keep?  while i probably shouldn't spend much time pursuing the 3 sport fantasy league, i'm  tempted...very tempted.

You can keep 10 baseball, 6 football, 6 basketball. Players, picks, players to be named later, etc are all eligible to be traded (no loaning players, though). It was started by a friend of mine with his college buddies; I joined when one of them couldn't properly pay attention to his team (meaning I inherited a bunch of crap). We run the league ourselves. I don't know if there are any public 3 sport leagues that one can join.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,18:05   

What?  No hockey?

Fagettaboutit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,12:44   

Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 24 2008,14:51)
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 24 2008,14:41)
i think i like this 3 sport keeper concept. †are there rules for which sports can be involved in deals, or how many athletes of each sport you must keep? †while i probably shouldn't spend much time pursuing the 3 sport fantasy league, i'm †tempted...very tempted.

You can keep 10 baseball, 6 football, 6 basketball. Players, picks, players to be named later, etc are all eligible to be traded (no loaning players, though). It was started by a friend of mine with his college buddies; I joined when one of them couldn't properly pay attention to his team (meaning I inherited a bunch of crap). We run the league ourselves. I don't know if there are any public 3 sport leagues that one can join.

Does anyone remember who did the ID buzzword bingo card?  We could start an Uncommonly Dense Tard Fantasy League.
1 point per cliche (teach the controversy, no transitionals, bacterial flagellum, Darwin=Hitler/Stalin, etc.)
3 points per logical fallacy or going off message (ixnay on the odgay)
-5 for banninations (to discourage cheating via sock puppets).

I'll trade Denyse for JoeG plus batshit77...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,16:48   

Borowski is toast.  Those DIPs / Component ERA's are just not that good for a reliever.  

I have been a sabre guy since 1984, when I read Bill James in college.  But, performance analysis must be married to good scouting to be effective.  The A's, I think, proved that in the less-than-stellar "Moneyball" draft.  

Well, actually their analysis was just bad.  High OBP, low slugging college players do not develop as well as higher slugging types.  But that's what their scouts told them too...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,18:02   

Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ Jan. 25 2008,14:48)
Borowski is toast.  Those DIPs / Component ERA's are just not that good for a reliever.  

I have been a sabre guy since 1984, when I read Bill James in college.  But, performance analysis must be married to good scouting to be effective.  The A's, I think, proved that in the less-than-stellar "Moneyball" draft.  

Well, actually their analysis was just bad.  High OBP, low slugging college players do not develop as well as higher slugging types.  But that's what their scouts told them too...

Was the Moneyball draft really that bad? I'm not sure of the probability of success for top-40 picks, but Swisher is clearly a good major leaguer and Teahen is well on his way. Considering draft position, etc, is 2 of 6 really that bad? (perhaps this comes from being a Mariners fan, who haven't drafted a major leaguer in the 1st round since Gil Meche, though Adam Jones is looking likely to succeed)

EDIT: I'm looking at the 2002 draft. Almost all those guys are in the majors now. I had no idea.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,18:03   

We're just going to have to wind up the suspense machine and see what happens. After all, it's just a game.

*absently fingers noose*

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,18:08   

Is it wrong of me to point out that the 6 Nations starts next weekend? England vs Wales opening match. Rugby. Real sport. Nobody? No one? Damnit! Oh well if you can't beat them...

How about those Lakers Sonics Bills Browns Yankees (YES!!)? Babe Ruth. Batting a 1.000 (is that right?). Innings. Baby Elephant.  Duh duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh, DUH DUH DUH DUH, DUNUH DUNUH DUNUHHHHH! Fenway frank anyone?

Etc

{sniff}

I miss the States. I might have to pop over this year and listen to a Huckabee speech to remind why I haven't emigrated.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,20:35   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 25 2008,18:08)
Is it wrong of me to point out that the 6 Nations starts next weekend? England vs Wales opening match. Rugby. Real sport. Nobody? No one? Damnit! Oh well if you can't beat them...

How about those Lakers Sonics Bills Browns Yankees (YES!!)? Babe Ruth. Batting a 1.000 (is that right?). Innings. Baby Elephant. †Duh duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh, DUH DUH DUH DUH, DUNUH DUNUH DUNUHHHHH! Fenway frank anyone?

Etc

{sniff}

I miss the States. I might have to pop over this year and listen to a Huckabee speech to remind why I haven't emigrated.

Louis

To cheer you up:

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If you ARE coming accross the pond this year - Maybe we can do a re-run of the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago.  I understand it was quite the good time.  Shame you had to miss the fun last time. I am sure that  the friendly Chicago PD would eagerly greet a foreign guest.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,21:15   

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Was the Moneyball draft really that bad? I'm not sure of the probability of success for top-40 picks, but Swisher is clearly a good major leaguer and Teahen is well on his way. Considering draft position, etc, is 2 of 6 really that bad? (perhaps this comes from being a Mariners fan, who haven't drafted a major leaguer in the 1st round since Gil Meche, though Adam Jones is looking likely to succeed)


Now that's some love.  2 current Royals mentioned at least somewhat favorably in one paragraph.  Nice.

I don't think that draft is really all that terrible.  I think it suffers more from over-exposure which created high expectations than anything else.  As baseball drafts go, there have been plenty of worse ones.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,21:18   

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Swisher is clearly a good major leaguer and Teahen is well on his way


I am a Royals fan and I think Teahan will, most sadly, not be a quality outfielder. †Not enough power for the corner spots.

Swisher looks very good, I must admit. †Perhaps I am colored by their sheer number of first round picks. †Maybe it would have cost too much to take all "normal" first round picks. †Time will tell.

And thanks for Meche. †Really.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,23:28   

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Swisher is clearly a good major leaguer and Teahen is well on his way


I am a Royals fan and I think Teahan will, most sadly, not be a quality outfielder.  Not enough power for the corner spots.

Swisher looks very good, I must admit.  Perhaps I am colored by their sheer number of first round picks.  Maybe it would have cost too much to take all "normal" first round picks.  Time will tell.

And thanks for Meche.  Really.

The way to rebuild the Royals is definitely spending 12 million on average pitchers. Good thing the M's didn't do that with Carlos Silva... oh. Blanton was part of the Moneyball draft, too. But he and Swisher had scouts all over them too, if I recall. It was the second rounders/sandwich picks that were all stat-based. And all busted, so I think your point stands.

I think scouting probably becomes less important once evaluating big leaguers (as long as you pay attention to injuries). If you're there, you've got talent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,03:04   

Just reminds me of Dawkins's cricket narrative in response to Gould's "laced with baseballism" Full House:

"The home keeper was on a pair, vulnerable to anything from a yorker to a chinaman, when he fell to a googly given plenty of air. Silly mid on appealed for leg before, Dicky Birdís finger shot up and the tail collapsed. Not surprisingly, the skipper took the light. Next morning the night watchman, defiantly out of his popping crease, snicked a cover drive off a no ball straight through the gullies and on a fast outfield third man failed to stop the boundary . . ." etc. etc.

And Louis is quite right. Why anyone would bother with any of this while the 6 nations is on is a bit of a mystery.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,03:21   

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The way to rebuild the Royals is definitely spending 12 million on average pitchers.

Point taken.  However, this is baseball we're talking about.  The previous regime (Allard Baird) left the farm system without many average arms, let alone major league arms.  Four 100 loss years out of five and there's something to be said for getting an average arm in your rotation.

It's tough to rebuild in a small market (I'm not crying small market here--just stating a reality for many teams).  It doesn't do a lot of good to try and rebuild a team while running out bad pitching.  I'm not talking about young, unseasoned pitching--I'm talking about never gonna be real major league pitchers.

So, is Meche th greatest thing since sliced bread?  No.  Does he have good stuff?  Yes.  Last year he threw well above average for most of the season--he was leading the league in a nifty Jason Stark stat: CUS (criminally unsupported start).  Into August he had only 4 starts in which the Royals scored more than 2 runs while he was in the game.

Did we overpay for Meche?  Yes.  To get anyone to play for KC you have to.  I don't want to see us sign a Gil Meche every year, but this signing (on early returns) seems to be a god one.  Some other trades have gotten us more viable starting pitching (2007 rookie of the year candidate Brian Bannister and others) that may indicate a true rebuilding process is under way.

Bottom line.  Decent starting pitching is worth paying for, even overpaying for under certain circumstances.  Remember, this is MLB--Tim Belcher signed 2 different contracts for 2 different teams, both over 6 million per year.  This was several years ago and one would guess in a slightly less upscale payroll era.  His credentials: a lifetime .500 record and 4.8+ ERA.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,19:45   

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The way to rebuild the Royals is definitely spending 12 million on average pitchers.

Point taken.  However, this is baseball we're talking about.  The previous regime (Allard Baird) left the farm system without many average arms, let alone major league arms.  Four 100 loss years out of five and there's something to be said for getting an average arm in your rotation.

It's tough to rebuild in a small market (I'm not crying small market here--just stating a reality for many teams).  It doesn't do a lot of good to try and rebuild a team while running out bad pitching.  I'm not talking about young, unseasoned pitching--I'm talking about never gonna be real major league pitchers.

So, is Meche th greatest thing since sliced bread?  No.  Does he have good stuff?  Yes.  Last year he threw well above average for most of the season--he was leading the league in a nifty Jason Stark stat: CUS (criminally unsupported start).  Into August he had only 4 starts in which the Royals scored more than 2 runs while he was in the game.

Did we overpay for Meche?  Yes.  To get anyone to play for KC you have to.  I don't want to see us sign a Gil Meche every year, but this signing (on early returns) seems to be a god one.  Some other trades have gotten us more viable starting pitching (2007 rookie of the year candidate Brian Bannister and others) that may indicate a true rebuilding process is under way.

Bottom line.  Decent starting pitching is worth paying for, even overpaying for under certain circumstances.  Remember, this is MLB--Tim Belcher signed 2 different contracts for 2 different teams, both over 6 million per year.  This was several years ago and one would guess in a slightly less upscale payroll era.  His credentials: a lifetime .500 record and 4.8+ ERA.

Tell that to the Cardinals who have never met a broken down has-been pitcher they didn't like. Paying for decent starting pitching is an alien concept to them...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,10:08   

Baseball?? Cricket?? Pffff, games for sissy's, it's all about hurling baby! Wished I could play that, think I would shit my pants 7 times though.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,12:15   

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The way to rebuild the Royals is definitely spending 12 million on average pitchers.


Meche has been above average so far.  I know, it's a long way from here to the end of that contract but as salaries rise the next five years average pitchers will be making A-Rod money.

The Royals need to start drafting college pitchers by the bucket.  The Gordon / Butler core will be pre-free agency for what, five more years.  They need some innings-eating low-upside college pitchers that can be ready in three years to make the charge at the playoffs.

And that's the frigging upside.  Yeah, it's good to be a Royals fan.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,16:28   

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Baseball?? Cricket?? Pffff, games for sissy's, it's all about hurling baby! Wished I could play that, think I would shit my pants 7 times though.

Don't make me start up a Rugby thread...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,17:31   

A side note:  I feel bad participating in this thread because I learned to play cricket this past summer.  Good game; I thoroughly enjoyed playing it.  Now, watching a test match?  Not so sure I'd enjoy that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,19:17   

Darwin's connection to Hitler was heretofore little known. Even less well know was that Hitler was a Cowboys fan.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,21:22   

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Darwin's connection to Hitler was heretofore little known. Even less well know was that Hitler was a Cowboy's fan.

This video cries out for someone to re-edit so it tells the true story of a Friday Meltdown. †

I know in the Big Picture, Dembski is really small potatoes, but I am pretty sure the video gives us a cinematic look at couple of the Famous Friday Meltdowns of the past year.

The other video, of Hitler getting banned by Microsoft is also A-One .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvZnTFpip0&feature=related

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,23:05   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 27 2008,20:17)
Darwin's connection to Hitler was heretofore little known. Even less well know was that Hitler was a Cowboy's fan.

Mine is a Staubach jersey.  Other than that, my wife would probably swear that was me.

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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,01:13   

My boys, the Red Sox, are gonna go all the way again this year, kicking all your sorry asses all over the place! Hell, yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

Unless the Cubs can bring it. That's the one team I could stand to lose the Series to.

But how about we just shut you all down again, you mofos? We took it in 4 on '04, we took it 4 in '07, we can take it in 4 this year.

We are the Red Sox nation, and we are fuckin' legion, baby!

  
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