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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,07:55   

Quote (k.e.. @ May 08 2012,05:28)
Is RB a preacher?

Well,

he talks a lot
says things that are totally incomprehensible
the things that are comprehensible are wrong
doesn't answer questions
is all about putting God back into the classrooms
doesn't understand the US Constitution

So... yeah, I guess he is a preacher.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,08:08   

Gordo has a shit fit over a comment I (as Peter Griffin) wrote months ago...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture....fidence

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,10:06   

Quote (CeilingCat @ May 08 2012,03:49)
Here's our old friend, Robert Byers, today:    
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6 Robert Byers May 8, 2012 at 2:27 am
The Asian chicks look cute but are they creationists??

Sounds like he's just disoriented.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,10:14   

I actually made it to the end! Where he has the gall to say this:

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...So, let no-one say that there was not adequate opportunity for a reply on the merits at UD as a forum.


FFS! Mininal intersection with reality. But you keep hiding in your pillow fort, KF. Your moaning about being outed is hillarious, you used to reference your own tripe all the time with your full name on the website. IDIOT.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,10:19   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2012,10:14)
I actually made it to the end! Where he has the gall to say this:

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...So, let no-one say that there was not adequate opportunity for a reply on the merits at UD as a forum.


FFS! Mininal intersection with reality. But you keep hiding in your pillow fort, KF. Your moaning about being outed is hillarious, you used to reference your own tripe all the time with your full name on the website. IDIOT.

FFS, how is that true while Peter Griffin is banned?

KF == moron.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,12:20   

Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,13:10   

Quote (CeilingCat @ May 08 2012,04:49)
This is kinda cute.  Bully Arrington has a few words about Those Pesky Ads on UD:    
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Some of you have written privately to complain about some of the ads that show up on this site.  Believe me, we are not always thrilled with them ourselves.  However, we have a contract with an online ad company and the revenue we receive from these ads is a major factor in helping us keep this site operating.
And also, please buy my book.

Barry also notes that different people see different ads.  Which is true, the ads are targeted.  Which ads you see depend mostly on what you've been looking at recently on the intertubes.  Remember a few months ago when someone [male] complained about all the ads for women's lingerie?

Here's our old friend, Robert Byers, today:    
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6 Robert Byers May 8, 2012 at 2:27 am
The Asian chicks look cute but are they creationists??

It's filed under "Intelligent Design". Are they trying to tell us something?

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,13:12   

Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography

Edited by Kattarina98 on May 08 2012,13:14

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,13:14   

Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,10:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

See here.

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,14:55   

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kairosfocus: In particular, I must note how this post plainly reflects a violation of confidence of correspondence in the teeth of an explicit act of protest regarding earlier violation of confidence.

We did not quote anything that kairosfocus wrote to us privately. We did quote what he wrote publicly. The only thing we mentioned about our correspondence was that he demanded an apology for a comment before allowing any further communication. Furthermore, we told him that we would be posting our comments on AtBC, provided a link, and invited him to read our comments here.

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kairosfocus: I asked Zachriel to cease and desist from further communication with me  

Which we did, but we are certainly not going to refrain from discussing his public statements.

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kairosfocus: It therefore evident from this thread that he has twisted my request that he respect confidentiality, into a ducking of issues and trumpeted that to the public elsewhere. Shameless.

We happened to have archived the email exchange — just in case kairosfocus insists upon dredging it up.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,15:14   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 08 2012,14:12)
Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography

Ah, I thought it had the aura of AtBC about it, thanks.

I wonder if Elizabeth considers bunnies to be in good faith.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,15:24   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 08 2012,12:55)
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kairosfocus: In particular, I must note how this post plainly reflects a violation of confidence of correspondence in the teeth of an explicit act of protest regarding earlier violation of confidence.

We did not quote anything that kairosfocus wrote to us privately. We did quote what he wrote publicly. The only thing we mentioned about our correspondence was that he demanded an apology for a comment before allowing any further communication. Furthermore, we told him that we would be posting our comments on AtBC, provided a link, and invited him to read our comments here.

 
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kairosfocus: I asked Zachriel to cease and desist from further communication with me  

Which we did, but we are certainly not going to refrain from discussing his public statements.

 
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kairosfocus: It therefore evident from this thread that he has twisted my request that he respect confidentiality, into a ducking of issues and trumpeted that to the public elsewhere. Shameless.

We happened to have archived the email exchange — just in case kairosfocus insists upon dredging it up.

Most of his post is the usual KF meltdown-by-numbers (yes, there are strawmen soaked in oil of ad hominems).  But I liked this:
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It is plain to me that Zachriel, the pseudonymous advocate of darwinism, has violated trust because he thought it would be to his advantage and he could get away with it. Let the record reflect this, for all to see.

How dare you use a pseudonym when talking about Gordon E Mullings, Zachriel!  The nerve!

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,15:46   

Can't think of anything worse than having Kairosfocus invade my inbox!


  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,15:57   

Quote (Woodbine @ May 08 2012,15:46)
Can't think of anything worse than having Kairosfocus invade my inbox!


Where'd you get that picture of Bob'O?

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,17:43   

Quote (JohnW @ May 08 2012,13:24)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ May 08 2012,12:55)
   
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kairosfocus: In particular, I must note how this post plainly reflects a violation of confidence of correspondence in the teeth of an explicit act of protest regarding earlier violation of confidence.

We did not quote anything that kairosfocus wrote to us privately. We did quote what he wrote publicly. The only thing we mentioned about our correspondence was that he demanded an apology for a comment before allowing any further communication. Furthermore, we told him that we would be posting our comments on AtBC, provided a link, and invited him to read our comments here.

     
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kairosfocus: I asked Zachriel to cease and desist from further communication with me  

Which we did, but we are certainly not going to refrain from discussing his public statements.

     
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kairosfocus: It therefore evident from this thread that he has twisted my request that he respect confidentiality, into a ducking of issues and trumpeted that to the public elsewhere. Shameless.

We happened to have archived the email exchange — just in case kairosfocus insists upon dredging it up.

Most of his post is the usual KF meltdown-by-numbers (yes, there are strawmen soaked in oil of ad hominems).  But I liked this:
   
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It is plain to me that Zachriel, the pseudonymous advocate of darwinism, has violated trust because he thought it would be to his advantage and he could get away with it. Let the record reflect this, for all to see.

How dare you use a pseudonym when talking about Gordon E Mullings, Zachriel!  The nerve!


Yeah, as if "Kairosfocus" is the real, not pseudonymous name of gordon elliott mullings of Manjack, Montserrat.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,18:03   

Quote (JohnW @ May 08 2012,15:24)
Most of his post is the usual KF meltdown-by-numbers (yes, there are strawmen soaked in oil of ad hominems).  But I liked this:
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It is plain to me that Zachriel, the pseudonymous advocate of darwinism, has violated trust because he thought it would be to his advantage and he could get away with it. Let the record reflect this, for all to see.

How dare you use a pseudonym when talking about Gordon E Mullings, Zachriel!  The nerve!

Or this:

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If after a couple of days or so, it is evident that the thread is heading for the sort of breakdown ...


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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2012,18:11   

The real question is: if KF lives in the Carribeans, why does he use tan-in-a-can?

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,00:29   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 08 2012,13:12)
 
Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography

Mike Gene also has a pronounced rabbit fetish.  See his web site for examples.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,00:36   

Does anybody have experience ordering internet advertisements?

Is it possible, and if so, approximately what would it cost to purchase ads that would appear only on UD?

I'm thinking of something like:      
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     Is your KAIROS in FOCUS?

 Write to Gordon E. Mullings, Esq
    Manjack Heights, Montserrat.

Please enclose $2.50 in cash or stamps.
             ADULTS ONLY!!

Something like that would be worth a couple hundred bucks to me.

Some of you can probably think of better advertisements?

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,02:34   

Good grief, guys. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole again? I mean, it's fun and all to provoke another KF meltdown, and he unquestionably deserves it. But, really?
I'm all for using pseudonyms and I expect other people to use my pseudonym even if they happen to know my real name and even (especially) if they happen to disagree with me. I know that KF is a hugh hypocrite who is only fake outraged if he is "outed" and doesn't have a problem with "outing" other people. But how can I continue feeling morally superior if we do the same thing? ;)
/tone trolling

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,10:36   

Isn't is clear that clown takes every supposed or real slight against him, and feeds his christian persecution/martyrdom complex with it.

Nothing would get him off faster than actually being targeted by some Darwinist heathens.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,11:30   

Quote (JLT @ May 09 2012,00:34)
Good grief, guys. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole again? I mean, it's fun and all to provoke another KF meltdown, and he unquestionably deserves it. But, really?
I'm all for using pseudonyms and I expect other people to use my pseudonym even if they happen to know my real name and even (especially) if they happen to disagree with me. I know that KF is a hugh hypocrite who is only fake outraged if he is "outed" and doesn't have a problem with "outing" other people. But how can I continue feeling morally superior if we do the same thing? ;)
/tone trolling

I don't think any of us have ever provoked a Gordshite meltdown.  He's entirely self-provoking.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,14:04   

Quote (JohnW @ May 09 2012,17:30)
I don't think any of us have ever provoked a Gordshite meltdown.  He's entirely self-provoking.

True.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,20:06   

Quote (JohnW @ May 09 2012,11:30)
Quote (JLT @ May 09 2012,00:34)
Good grief, guys. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole again? I mean, it's fun and all to provoke another KF meltdown, and he unquestionably deserves it. But, really?
I'm all for using pseudonyms and I expect other people to use my pseudonym even if they happen to know my real name and even (especially) if they happen to disagree with me. I know that KF is a hugh hypocrite who is only fake outraged if he is "outed" and doesn't have a problem with "outing" other people. But how can I continue feeling morally superior if we do the same thing? ;)
/tone trolling

I don't think any of us have ever provoked a Gordshite meltdown.  He's entirely self-provoking.

Well, if we're going to have fun with Gordo, the Monster Of Montserrat, we'd better hurry up, because I predict that he will soon be linked to gruesome sex-crimes, and subsequently locked up for a long, long time.  Someone that suppressed has GOT to be More Icky Than Ricky*

Remember, we always thought we'd have Kent "Dr. Dino" to kick around!

*Santorum.  Google it, but not if you are Louis's mother...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2012,22:58   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 08 2012,13:12)
 
Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography

Not to step on Amadan's priority or anything, but when I first read his bunny post I wondered if he'd been influenced by this, which I had seen several days earlier and thought was absolutely wonderful.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2012,00:09   

Quote (JLT @ May 09 2012,02:34)
Good grief, guys. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole again? I mean, it's fun and all to provoke another KF meltdown, and he unquestionably deserves it. But, really?
I'm all for using pseudonyms and I expect other people to use my pseudonym even if they happen to know my real name and even (especially) if they happen to disagree with me. I know that KF is a hugh hypocrite who is only fake outraged if he is "outed" and doesn't have a problem with "outing" other people. But how can I continue feeling morally superior if we do the same thing? ;)
/tone trolling

Personally, my main worry is the possible devastation to the northern half of Montserrat if KF's enormous ego ever explodes.  The volcano that destroyed the southern half of the island (an Act of God by the way, ask any insurance salesman) would be nothing compared to that.

But it would be fun to watch, though.  I wonder if we'd see the glow from Wisconsin?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2012,01:41   

Quote (noncarborundum @ May 10 2012,04:58)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 08 2012,13:12)
   
Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography

Not to step on Amadan's priority or anything, but when I first read his bunny post I wondered if he'd been influenced by this, which I had seen several days earlier and thought was absolutely wonderful.

Guilty, M'Lud

Edited by Amadan on May 10 2012,07:41

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2012,02:32   

Quote (CeilingCat @ May 10 2012,06:09)
Quote (JLT @ May 09 2012,02:34)
Good grief, guys. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole again? I mean, it's fun and all to provoke another KF meltdown, and he unquestionably deserves it. But, really?
I'm all for using pseudonyms and I expect other people to use my pseudonym even if they happen to know my real name and even (especially) if they happen to disagree with me. I know that KF is a hugh hypocrite who is only fake outraged if he is "outed" and doesn't have a problem with "outing" other people. But how can I continue feeling morally superior if we do the same thing? ;)
/tone trolling

Personally, my main worry is the possible devastation to the northern half of Montserrat if KF's enormous ego ever explodes.  The volcano that destroyed the southern half of the island (an Act of God by the way, ask any insurance salesman) would be nothing compared to that.

But it would be fun to watch, though.  I wonder if we'd see the glow from Wisconsin?

Not sure about the glow, but the hot air that'd be released all at once would certainly increase global temperature.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2012,02:36   

Bias in science!!!eleven111

Who will pounce on it, News or Hunter? My bet is on News just as soon as she finds it; will take several days, though.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2012,02:59   

BarryA annoys the YECs at UD:
 
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No matter how long and hard you argue with a YEC proponent you will never convince him based on appeals to the evidence.  Yes, he has the same evidence that you do, but he interprets that evidence within a different interpretive framework.  You might think his interpretive framework is flawed, but you cannot say, as a matter of strict logic, that his interpretive framework must necessarily be flawed.  In other words, you must admit that as a matter of strict logic it is possible for light to be slower now than it was in the past.  And given the premise of some YECs that light is in fact slower now than it was in the past is, their conclusions might then follow.  

He then proceeds to liken the poor YECs with the evil, evil TEs while simultanously criticising the TEs for ignoring the Bible.
 
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TEs are like YECs in this respect — they cling to a scientific view that runs counter to the obvious evidence because of their prior commitments. [...]

Now notice the similarity between TEs and YECs:  Everyone concedes that the universe appears to be billions of years old; everyone concedes that living things appear to have been designed for a purpose.  YECs say the first appearance is an illusion.  TEs  say the second appearance is an illusion. [...]

YECs reject the “obvious” conclusion about the age of the universe because of their prior commitments.  Why do TEs reject the “obvious” conclusion about the design of living things?  Further, why do TEs reject that obvious conclusion in the very teeth of the Biblical injunction to regard the appearance of design as proof of God’s existence (Romans 1).

Too funny.

They all seem to have given up on pretending it is all about science. Although Dembski is still trying:
 
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Theologically speaking, ID imposes few limits and is compatible with God acting at all levels of creation and through all modes of causation. When design is detected, God is active. And when design is not detected, God is still active. This doesn't make ID contentless. Rather, it means that ID is largely neutral with respect to one's doctrine of God, a fact that should not be surprising given that ID is compatible not only with Judeo-Christian theism but also with just about any religious view that regards purpose as basic to reality. ID's content is scientific, not religious or theological. Insofar as it has metaphysical implications, it is in challenging naturalism.

LOL.

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