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Caledonian



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2006,13:49   

In the linked thread (Link), DaveScot implies that the critical comments of one poster are the result of HIV infection, as the poster's location is in Africa.

In a discussion with another poster who objects to this, DaveScot posts the following:  
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Everyone dies. Get used to it. The Holocaust was a man-made purposeful attempt to slaughter a group of many millions of people based upon a perceived inferiority. AIDs is a terminal disease brought on by a naturally occuring virus.


But according to DaveScot's own beliefs, HIV is too complex to have arisen spontaneously.  New viruses can't just come from nowhere and adapt themselves to new hosts - mutation and natural selection won't permit such an improbable sequence of events, after all.  It must therefore have been designed.  Ergo, AIDS is an Intelligent-Designer-made purposeful attempt to slaughter a group of many millions of people... for what reasons, we can only speculate.

Considering the prevalence of HIV among women, gays, and Africans, the implications for the ID's motives are disturbing.

  
Flint



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2006,14:08   

Caledonian:

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But according to DaveScot's own beliefs, HIV is too complex to have arisen spontaneously.

Nope. You fail the course in ID logic. Here's the right answer: HIV *has* arisen spontaneously. Therefore it's microevolution. Therefore, it's allowed.

  
Caledonian



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2006,14:30   

But, but... the subtle elegance of the tailored mechanisms virsuses use to infiltrate the cells of their hosts are FAR more complex than the flagellum, which as we all know proceeded directly from the mind of the Intelligent Designer.  How could mere microevolution change a virus which infects one species to a virus that infects another?

And HIV itself - well, no mere human mind could ever design such a powerful tool of genocide, much less random processes acted upon by environmental selection.

  
Flint



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2006,15:09   

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How could mere microevolution change a virus which infects one species to a virus that infects another?

It did, therefore it could, therefore it's microevolution.

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And HIV itself - well, no mere human mind could ever design such a powerful tool of genocide

Speculation about the nature of the designer isn't permitted.

See, the problem is, you are expecting creationists' biological claims to be *scientifically consistent* rather than psychologically consistent. Psychological consistancy means, *always* accept or reject according to what feels right today. What felt right yesterday is no longer operative.

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2006,22:40   

Good grief,
Followed the link, sheeesh.
Does anyone else think that Dave Scot might have some sort of mental ilness?

He behaves like a two year old but with a larger vocabulary.

  
Caledonian



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2006,02:38   

Two thoughts:

Firstly, please don't use the label "mental illness" to refer to any behavior you find abhorrent.  It's already an empty concept as it is, we don't need to make it worse.

Secondly, most two-year-olds I've known have greater empathy and respect for the opinions/feelings of others than DaveScot.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2006,04:45   

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Secondly, most two-year-olds I've known have greater empathy and respect for the opinions/feelings of others than DaveScot.

I think you may be on to something here -- I think DS is one of those remarkable people who comes along every so often who essentially lacks human empathy of any kind. I shudder to think of how his kids turned out.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2006,05:35   

I think Dave Scot has probably fatasized about having some sort of importance and power his whole life.  IDC gives him a stage to cultivate that sense of importance and power.  He's the IDC sergeant of arms.

IDC is a magnet for arse clowns, bullies, incompetants and whack jobs.  I often wonder if Dembski hates most everyone who comes to his little blog.  I wouldn't be able to stand most of them.

Anything goes in the IDC world and you need not offer any evidence whatsoever for any theory to be scientific.  This is a breeding ground for nut jobs and fantastic claims.

I read Dembski's blog often and I am simply astonished by the sheer ignorance and lack of any sort of critical thinking demonstrated each day at Dembski's IDC camp.  I'd be pulling my hair out if they were my peers or on my side.   The very few there who contribute anything intellectually honest get warned or banned or put down.

I think Behe is a quack but I view Dembski more of an opportunist who knows full well IDC is not science and never will be.  This is why I wonder if he cannot stand the type of people he attracts.  But without IDC Dembski would be nothing so not only does it pay the bills it gives him status.  I suppose in Dembski's world status amongst the ignorant and misinformed is better than no status at all.

And I do not think Dave Scot is mentally ill, I think he is a garden variety bully who is able to use the virtual world to create a sense of importance for himself.  The term "punk" comes to mind.

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Julie Stahlhut



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2006,17:48   

Wonderful. Dembski has deliberately turned over his blog to some malcontent who thinks that AIDS-related dementia is funny.  (I wonder what else DaveScot thinks is a laugh riot.  Heart attacks?  Schizophrenia?  Spinal cord injuries?)  

The good news:  Eventually, UD is going to become such a bizarre mess that even Dembski is going to have to disavow it.  Oh, and the parts quoted here aren't wholly accurate.  Most of the time, DaveScot misspells "Holocaust".

Sheesh.

  
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