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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,11:35   

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Quote (Louis @ Aug. 07 2010,05:19)
At least when the British were the world's most important colonial superpower there was tea....and occasional genocide but it's impolite to mention that. Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Besides coffee we also gave the world soft drinks (come for the high fructose corn syrup, stay for the ethylene glycol) and fast food...

...and freedom. †:angry:



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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,14:03   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 07 2010,13:36)
So I look into it.

"As soon as at least two players, one from each side, are in physical contact together with the ball on the ground, a ruck has formed. This physical contact, or binding, is generally by locking shoulders while facing each other. Additional players may join the ruck, but must do so from behind the rearmost foot of the hindmost team mate in the ruck; this is often referred to as "coming through the gate".

Stop right there. I've heard quite enough.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of friendly homosexuality in rugby. It makes it more dangerous. I mean, you're afraid of physical damage, looking like a tit in public if you play badly, letting your team mates down AND buggery.

And our gay players look like this:



Ahhh Alfie. Good on him. I love that bloke (purely at a distance and in an entirely sexless way I assure you...possibly too rapidly), bloody good rugby player, gent off the pitch and dedicated athlete. A good lad. (BTW his name is Gareth Thomas but he's known as Alfie)

Be afraid. Be very afraid. We don't fuck about. Which is to say, of course, we do.

Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,14:12   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 07 2010,17:35)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 07 2010,10:41)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 07 2010,05:19)
At least when the British were the world's most important colonial superpower there was tea....and occasional genocide but it's impolite to mention that. Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Besides coffee we also gave the world soft drinks (come for the high fructose corn syrup, stay for the ethylene glycol) and fast food...

...and freedom. †:angry:


Listen ex Colonial Septic Tanks, you know I love you, we all know I am very fond of all things American. When I lived there I found the people pleasant and welcoming, if occasionally drunk and slightly afraid, but that might be my fault. I tend to encourage drunkenness and fear of being ruinated by drunkenness in others (when not on disappointingly well behaved health kicks like I am at the moment. It's pathetic, a grown man drinking water, fucking shameful).

However the rule stands, no proper tea no superpower. China and India agree and they are up and coming. Hell one of them owns all of us. Look at what happened to Russia, they might drink the stuff but it's bloody awful.

Luckily tea can be improved. I suggested starting out easily with a Ceylon or a Dargeeling. Do not go direct to Lapsang Souchon. It could cause unrest and civil disobedience.

Louis

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,15:13   

I want to hear more about "Louis Living In America".

The number of years, area(s) lived in, # and type ofarrests, morals charges, the whole bag of tea.

Don't make us all wait for the movie dude!

BTW - I type this from local library - waiting for IT genius Monday to fix home pc - it is currently broke worse than a KS Fundy. (Hey, this IS after all an FTK Thread:)

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,15:25   

Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 07 2010,21:13)
I want to hear more about "Louis Living In America".

The number of years, area(s) lived in, # and type ofarrests, morals charges, the whole bag of tea.

Don't make us all wait for the movie dude!

BTW - I type this from local library - waiting for IT genius Monday to fix home pc - it is currently broke worse than a KS Fundy. (Hey, this IS after all an FTK Thread:)

The names have been changed to protect the guilty. The very, very guilty!

Louis

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,23:50   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 07 2010,07:15)
So, FTK, where'd you go? My theories:

1) Your husband threatened divorce unless you stopped flogging the intertubes 23 hours a day, seven days a week.

2) Several months passed. You noticed you were divorced. Your oldest son turned 39; last you looked he was eight. The power went out. Your laptop batteries died. The discussion seemed to lag.

3) The fox got the goslings again. [ETA: Or was it the goose got the ducklings? Nature red in tooth and beak.]

4) In despair you hooked up with Lenny Flank some time after Louis ran him off. (sniff) (boo-hoo).

5) All of the above, in that order.

OK, nevermind. Why are you back?

Not to worry, Bill. †Hubby still luvs me...the kids are doing great....no ducklings or goslings to protect this spring, so we didnít have to chase off any foxes or herons. †A hookup w/Lenny? †<shudders>

Where did I go? †Well, nothing too interesting really.....just a culmination of several things. †I was pissed as hell because I lost all my comments from my blog when I changed to cocomments. †I had switched to see it would be easier to mute stalker clown boy with that application. But, in the process of changing over you lose all your old comments, though they are saved to your computer if you ever decided to switch back to blogger comments. †I decided I didnít care for cocomments, but before I made the switch back my freaking laptop died along with all my old comments.....was livid. †All those comments were really important to me because I referred back to them all the time. †

I was without a laptop for a while, and when I finally got a new one, my heart just wasnít in the debate anymore. †Iíd put in 5 years...had heard all the arguments and the bullshit, and basically there was nothing left to cover anymore. †It all boiled down to wash, rinse, repeat. †I figured it was a good time to move on. †

Although itís a certainty that Darwinism as we know it will bite the dust, there will always be some materialistic explanation put forth for origins just as there will always be an argument for design in one form or the other. †I guess I just eventually found the whole debate senseless in a way. †And, my Dad became ill, which meant several trips to Mayo, and he was much more important to me than this ridiculous debate. †I still like to read up on whatís going on from time to time, but I just lost the intense passion I had for the subject.

Why am I back? †Well, Rich rang, and I answered...lol. †Seriously, though, I just popped in to say hi.

Yo, Louis......take ur best shot, cuz Iím not staying long. †I donít think youíll be getting a flounce out of me though...lol. †



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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,04:45   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 08 2010,05:50)
[SNIP]

Yo, Louis......take ur best shot, cuz Iím not staying long. †I donít think youíll be getting a flounce out of me though...lol.

[SNIP]

Best shot? Whyever would I waste that sort of effort? You're doing all the work by yourself you ridiculous fundy you.

You'll flounce, you always flounce.

Louis

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,04:49   

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And, my Dad became ill


I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope he'll be better soon...

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cuz Iím not staying long


I'm really not sorry to hear that. I hope you'll go away soon...

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,04:50   

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there will always be some materialistic explanation put forth for origins just as there will always be an argument for design in one form or the other.  


Exactly. There will always be a materialistic explanation and design will always be a mere argument based on nothing in particular.

Glad you've come round to seeing it my way.

Should design turn into an actual explanation be sure to wake me the fuck up then.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,04:51   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 07 2010,23:50)
I had switched to see it would be easier to mute stalker clown boy with that application.

EDIT: The fundie mindset encapsulated in a single sentence.

Don't address your critics, find a way to muzzle them.

Don't address the issues, claim that it's just two sides of the same argument.

Dehumanize your opponents with slurs "stalker clown boy" even if that is kinda against the religion you profess to be a member of "judge not...".

Ignore factual arguments like they were never made.

Claim that the evidence, whatever it is, supports your argument and where it does not you can call it a "fact" in scare quotes as if that changes anything.

 
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Sorry, I guess I'm just not seeing where in the information you've provided anything that refutes my claim that we saw a huge advancement including the written word and massive amounts of architecture starting at around 7,000bc. †

You can rest peacefully knowing that your wiki links provide you with information to support the "fact" that humans have been talking and socializing for 100,000 years, I'm just saying that the evidence points to a massive explosion of human development at 7,000bc. †

Why so hateful towards me? †I'm not lying about anything, I'm just providing my understanding and viewpoint on these topics. †I'm not a teacher, so you can relax as I won't have any influence on poor innocent kids who ask questions that evolutionists can't answer.

Oh, btw, I'm not a buddy "boy". †I'm a *girl*. †You can refer to me as buddy *girl* if you like.


A a massive explosion of human development at 7,000bc somehow indicates "design"? Somehow proves that your god actually exists?

Yeah, whatever. Ever thought about why that might have been the case? Or why your god chose to wait hundreds of thousands of years before doing whatever it was you think it did in 7,000bc? I guess that level of joined up thinking is not something you practised 3 years ago and it's clearly not something you practice now.

EDIT EDIT: Was this "explosion" before or after the fludde FTK? Pah.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,09:11   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 08 2010,00:50)
Although itís a certainty that Darwinism as we know it will bite the dust, there will always be some materialistic explanation put forth for origins just as there will always be an argument for design in one form or the other. †I guess I just eventually found the whole debate senseless in a way. †

That part is always so cute! †Pray harder, wingnut; it ain't happening.

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,09:39   

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And, my Dad became ill, which meant several trips to Mayo


Why?

Can't you just pray and so avoid the evil scientists?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,10:30   

FTK:
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Iíd put in 5 years...had heard all the arguments and the bullshit, and basically there was nothing left to cover anymore.  It all boiled down to wash, rinse, repeat.  I figured it was a good time to move on.  


I've never really figured out how people like this can be functional members of society.  Can they really not see that the washing, rinsing, and repeating is done completely on one side?

FTK, as the world marches on and actual scientists, explorers, and even the merely curious discover things the arguments always change.  Always.

Real work is done when new data comes in: bones, geologic data, DNA sequencing, etc.  The arguments are always new.

It's the response from creationists that is always the same.  There are no new ideas, just the same reactions to an ever-changing set of data.  It would look better if you changed the arguments to fit your "new problems" as they came up.

You haven't learned a thing.  You haven't even tried and that's the sad part--you never even wanted to try.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,10:31   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Aug. 08 2010,09:11)
Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 08 2010,00:50)
Although itís a certainty that Darwinism as we know it will bite the dust, there will always be some materialistic explanation put forth for origins just as there will always be an argument for design in one form or the other. †I guess I just eventually found the whole debate senseless in a way. †

That part is always so cute! †Pray harder, wingnut; it ain't happening.

Well, actually, since it is science we are talking about, that's not much of a prediction at all. "Darwinism" as Darwin knew it is history; we know a lot more about it than Darwin did. All scientific theories change over time; some are (gasp) even overturned! This helps us distinguish them from idiot notions like creationism.

But I doubt that FtK is savvy enough to have figured this out. She probably still buys the Dembskian notion that "Darwinism" will be dead in ten years or whatever. Interesting that she didn't bother to add a time frame to her "prediction".

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,11:20   

Quote (khan @ Aug. 08 2010,15:39)
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And, my Dad became ill, which meant several trips to Mayo


Why?

Can't you just pray and so avoid the evil scientists?

Also, I always find ketchup more efficient...


Sorry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,12:07   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 08 2010,08:31)
"Darwinism" will be dead in ten years or whatever

Heh. So Darwinism will collapse around the same time we get mass-produced fusion reactors, then?

edit: undelete alby's bit.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,12:09   

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Quote (khan @ Aug. 08 2010,15:39)
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And, my Dad became ill, which meant several trips to Mayo


Why?

Can't you just pray and so avoid the evil scientists?

Also, I always find ketchup more efficient...


Sorry.

You relish these punning opportunities, don't you, S-Dog.  I'm so glad you mustard the courage to post.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2010,13:44   

Yeah, but if I spice it up, I might find myself in a bit of a pickle...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,03:11   

Hmm this pun streak is piquant. I'm worried it could get unsavoury. Or even saucy.

Louis

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,06:09   

I wholefully agree. We should all take it with a bit of salt. It's getting kinda chili...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,06:29   

No better thread than this one to post a link to a column in today's WaPo - The evolution of a Christian creationist.

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A child of the culture wars, I knew what abortion was before I knew where babies came from. I grew up scribbling words like "debatable" and "unlikely" in the margins of biology textbooks, fearlessly defending a 6,000-year-old-earth against atheists I only knew in my imagination.

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The bad news for the Religious Right is that young evangelicals are tired of the culture wars. The good news for everyone else is that we're ready to make peace.

Maybe there's still hope for the kids.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,08:58   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 09 2010,07:29)
Maybe there's still hope,  For the Kids.

No, I'm afeared she's pretty well hopeless...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2010,00:25   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 07 2010,23:50)
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Although itís a certainty that Darwinism as we know it will bite the dust, there will always be some materialistic explanation put forth for origins just as there will always be an argument for design in one form or the other. †I guess I just eventually found the whole debate senseless in a way... †

Over 150 years with the evidence constantly growing and you predict its death. Just what is the evidence against evolution FTK? I agree that the debate is senseless, probably for different reasons though.

Sorry to hear about your Dad btw.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2010,04:34   

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I wholefully agree. We should all take it with a bit of salt. It's getting kinda chili...

Well the chill in the air could be from our disapproval at the IDCists attempt to condimental.

I'll get my coat. That's not even a proper word.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2010,06:45   

FTK:
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Iíd put in 5 years...had heard all the arguments and the bullshit, and basically there was nothing left to cover anymore. †It all boiled down to wash, rinse, repeat. †I figured it was a good time to move on.

Sounds like personal growth to me.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2010,07:18   

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FTK:
 
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Iíd put in 5 years...had heard all the arguments and the bullshit, and basically there was nothing left to cover anymore. †It all boiled down to wash, rinse, repeat. †I figured it was a good time to move on.

Sounds like personal growth to me.

Only if you are defining personal growth as "not learning a single thing, maintaining one's original nonsensical position in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence (however presented) and simply reasserting that position, in as whiny and persecution complex ridden manner as possible, ad nauseum".

In that case, I'd agree with you.

If you mean "learning that (internet) arguments are generally a waste of time unless you actually engage with them", I'm sorry, I can train a liver fluke to learn that....granted it's taken me a few years, but I've never claimed to be smarter than a liver fluke.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2010,18:15   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 10 2010,02:34)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Aug. 09 2010,12:09)
I wholefully agree. We should all take it with a bit of salt. It's getting kinda chili...

Well the chill in the air could be from our disapproval at the IDCists attempt to condimental.

I'll get my coat. That's not even a proper word.

Louis

Pungent. It's pungent.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2013,19:25   

Bonus!

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/search?....ults=50

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2017,11:40   

I suggest Cat Pictures Please by Naomi Kritzer.

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