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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:16   

I'm going to miss the big lug... now that the entertainment has left the only thing that remains is the stupidity.

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:22   

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 15 2009,15:26)
Their mindset is one of predetermined correctness.  They "know" their god's correct.  They "know" their interpretation of this god's works is accurate and binding.  

Which reminds me of some poetry I read that is applicable to the folks over at UD (and I don't even need to tard it up):
 
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So men, awake but dreaming, dare to claim,
believing it or not, they speak the truth -
though the hypocrite's is the greater sin and shame.

You mortals do not walk a single way
in your philosophies, but let the thought
of being acclaimed as wise lead you astray.

Yet Heaven bears even this with less offense
than it must feel when it sees Holy Writ
neglected, or perverted of all sense.

They do not count what blood and agony
planted it in the world, nor Heaven's pleasure
in those who search it in humility.

Each man, to show off, strains at some absurd
invented truth; and it is these the preachers
make sermons of; and the Gospel is not heard.

- Dante Alighieri, Paradisio, Canto XXIX, 82-96

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:23   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 15 2009,16:04)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 15 2009,15:39)
 Barry added the banning of DaveScot at the same time he deleted the comments.  

DaveScot getting banned at UD: surely, a sign of the End Times?

One day our children will ask us where we were when we heard that DaveScot had been banned.  Truly a historic day.

What time it was.



{Europa, Io, Jupiter, Ganymede, Callisto}

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:23   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 15 2009,16:08)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,16:05)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 15 2009,16:04)
 
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 15 2009,15:39)
 Barry added the banning of DaveScot at the same time he deleted the comments.  

DaveScot getting banned at UD: surely, a sign of the End Times?

One day our children will ask us where we were when we heard that DaveScot had been banned.  Truly a historic day.

Beware the Ides of March...

Et tu, BarryA?

Hermagoras - You are to blame for the following:!

 Friends, Posters, Darwinists, lend me your ears;
   I come to bury DaveTard, not to praise him.
   The evil that men do lives after them;
   The good is oft interred with their bones;
   So let it be with DaveTard. The noble Barry A
   Hath told you DaveTard was a mad poster:
   If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
   And grievously hath DaveTard answer'd it.
   Here, under leave of Barry A and the rest--
   For Barry A is an honourable man;
   So are they all, all honourable men--
   Come I to speak in DaveTard's funeral.
   He was an idiot, faithless and hateful to all:
   But Barry A says he was ambitious;
   And Barry A is an honourable man.
   Davey hath banninated many posts here at UD
   Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
   Did this in DaveTard seem ambitious?
   When that the poor have cried, DaveTard hath laughed:
   Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
   Yet Barry A says he was ambitious;
   And Barry A is an honourable man.
   You all did see that on the Lupercal
   I thrice presented him a tardly crown,
   Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
   Yet Barry A says he was ambitious;
   And, sure, he is an honourable man.
   I speak not to disprove what Barry A spoke,
   But here I am to speak what I do know.
   You all did hate him once, not without cause:
   What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
   O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
   And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
   My heart is laughing at the coffin there with DaveTard,
   And I must pause till it come back to me.


And of course apologies to The Bard

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:23   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 15 2009,16:33)
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Note to UD Contributors
Barry Arrington

The moderation policy does not apply to you; you are held to a higher standard. I expect your posts to have at least some tangential relationship to Darwinism, ID, or the metaphysical or moral implications of each. The purpose of this site is not to provide a place for you to jump up and rant on one of your pet peeves.  DaveScot will no longer be posting at UD.


And a comment which is no longer there.

 
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David Kellogg
03/15/2009
3:15 pm
I’d really like to understand what “higher standard” is met by the recent posts smearing Darwin and insinuating that evolutionary biology is racist and/or that evolutionary biologists are probably racists if they don’t respond to Denyse’s ultimatum.

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Alas, poor DaveScot! I knew him, jkrebsio: a fellow
of infinite boast, of most fancy panties: he hath
borne me on his back a thousand times;


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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:28   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 15 2009,16:08)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,16:05)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 15 2009,16:04)
 
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 15 2009,15:39)
 Barry added the banning of DaveScot at the same time he deleted the comments.  

DaveScot getting banned at UD: surely, a sign of the End Times?

One day our children will ask us where we were when we heard that DaveScot had been banned.  Truly a historic day.

Beware the Ides of March...

Et tu, BarryA?

"Infamy!  Infamy!  They've all got it in for me!"

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:31   

How long before they announce this was all "street theater"?

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:33   

I prefer Shelley:

I met a tardmeister from from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of tard
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered marine seargent lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those tardy monlogues read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is DaveScot, King of tard:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level tard stretches far away.

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:38   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2009,16:33)
I prefer Shelley:

I met a tardmeister from from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of tard
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered marine seargent lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those tardy monlogues read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is DaveScot, King of tard:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level tard stretches far away.

OK - You win!

Hard to top:

`My name is DaveScot, King of tard:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level tard stretches far away.


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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:39   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 15 2009,15:26)
Their mindset is one of predetermined correctness.  They "know" their god's correct.  They "know" their interpretation of this god's works is accurate and binding.
Which reminds me of some poetry I read that is applicable to the folks over at UD (and I don't even need to tard it up):
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So men, awake but dreaming, dare to claim,
believing it or not, they speak the truth -
though the hypocrite's is the greater sin and shame.

You mortals do not walk a single way
in your philosophies, but let the thought
of being acclaimed as wise lead you astray.

Yet Heaven bears even this with less offense
than it must feel when it sees Holy Writ
neglected, or perverted of all sense.

They do not count what blood and agony
planted it in the world, nor Heaven's pleasure
in those who search it in humility.

Each man, to show off, strains at some absurd
invented truth; and it is these the preachers
make sermons of; and the Gospel is not heard.
- Dante Alighieri, Paradisio, Canto XXIX, 82-96

Funny that Carson as I was thinking of Dante.  Specifically I was thinking more of Inferno, the Eighth circle, where the Hypocrites walk listlessly getting nowhere.....

Holy crap if that ain't the entire ID movement.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:40   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2009,16:16)
I'm going to miss the big lug... now that the entertainment has left the only thing that remains is the stupidity.

Your ending is perfect dude!

"Taps"..

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Rrr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:40   

Oh my. Is this the classical Friday Meltdown we are beholding? If so, it must have involved some kind of time machine. Tardies, isn't it, the lot of them.

And with all this verse-atility also, the classics do go knee deep indeed. Bardies, isn't it, the lot of them.

Had I but a mind to mine, akin to thine, I might open a bard'o'mine.
To quote, tu quoque, perchance to dream?

Yo, Rick. I blame thee for this overdose. Good night, sweet Prince.
Say, was Dave after all a true Scot?
(apologies to the innocents)

  
Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:46   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,16:40)
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2009,16:16)
I'm going to miss the big lug... now that the entertainment has left the only thing that remains is the stupidity.

Your ending is perfect dude!

"Taps"..

Couldn't resist Taps...

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Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:52   

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 15 2009,16:39)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
Dante Alighieri, Paradisio, Canto XXIX, 82-96

Funny that Carson as I was thinking of Dante.  Specifically I was thinking more of Inferno, the Eighth circle, where the Hypocrites walk listlessly getting nowhere.....

Holy crap if that ain't the entire ID movement.

I went back and looked, and by golly, you are right.  Dembski even gets a shout-out!
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About us now in the depth of the pit we found
a painted people, weary and defeated.
Slowly, in pain, they paced it round and round.

All wore great cloaks cut to as ample a size
as those worn by the Benedictines of Cluny.
The enormous hoods were drawn over their eyes.

The outside is all dazzle, golden and fair;
the inside, lead, so heavy that Frederick's capes,
compated to these, would seem as light as air.

O weary mantle for eternity!
We turned to the left again along their course,
listening to their moans of misery,

but they moved so slowly down that barren strip,
tired by their burden, that our company
was changed at every movement of the hip.

I presume that last stanza refers to the generation of productive research.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:54   

Barry Arrington:
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Note to UD Contributors
Barry Arrington

The moderation policy does not apply to you; you are held to a higher standard. I expect your posts to have at least some tangential relationship to Darwinism, ID, or the metaphysical or moral implications of each. The purpose of this site is not to provide a place for you to jump up and rant on one of your pet peeves.  DaveScot will no longer be posting at UD.

Ensure that your posts are germane to ID, evolution, and the metaphysical and moral implications of same. Like how Darwin is responsible for racism, Nazi Germany, and miscellaneous school shootings. Stay away from entirely unrelated topics. Like how Darwin is not responsible for racism, Nazi Germany, and miscellaneous school shootings.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:55   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,16:31)
How long before they announce this was all "street theater"?

Yes, they threw Dave under the bus.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:56   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,07:41)
Quote (paragwinn @ Mar. 15 2009,05:08)
Apparently it's been replaced with a new post from Barry titled "Scientific Certainty 100 Years Ago" containing 3 quotes from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica without explanation as to the relevance to ID.

Allen is doing a heroic job.

The ninny called Borne wrote;
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The original Darwinism was polygenic - multiple rates and/or origins of evolution per race, thus necessitating a racist view of humanity. There’s no way out of it.


How about reading Darwin? Would that work?
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Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, &c., yet if their whole organisation be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these points are of so unimportant or of so singular a nature, that it is extremely improbable that they should have been independently acquired by aboriginally distinct species or races. The same remark holds good with equal or greater force with respect to the numerous points of mental similarity between the most distinct races of man. The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans differ as much from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Fuegians on board the "Beagle," with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate.


and,
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Now when naturalists observe a close agreement in numerous small details of habits, tastes and dispositions between two or more domestic races, or between nearly-allied natural forms, they use this fact as an argument that all are descended from a common progenitor who was thus endowed; and consequently that all should be classed under the same species. The same argument may be applied with much force to the races of man.


Darwin, Charles R.
1871 "The Descent of Man"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:56   

Quote (tsig @ Mar. 15 2009,17:55)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,16:31)
How long before they announce this was all "street theater"?

Yes, they threw Dave under the bus.

Minimal damage though, it was a short bus.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:58   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2009,22:16)
I'm going to miss the big lug... now that the entertainment has left the only thing that remains is the stupidity.

So true.

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:01   

Meanwhile, even the tards take potshots at Kairosfocus:

 
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501
crater
03/15/2009

4:09 am
 
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Crater, 471:

Please (especially given your track record . . . sadly) take time to read 346 - 7 before making comments on this issue again.

No to mention, the original quote-mined remarks, as cited and linked at 404 and 407.


KF, I have read them. And, even to a sympathetic onlooker, it is obvious that they do not support your contention that the Weasel program was latching letters. I have tried to give you every benefit of the doubt and I can only conclude that your refusal to admit your (minor) error is due to pride. And such an exhibit of pride can only remind me (sadly) of Job 15:2-6.


Shall we take a look at Job 15:2-6?  Why, yes, we shall.
 
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2 "Would a wise man answer with empty notions or fill his belly with the hot east wind?  3 Would he argue with useless words, with speeches that have no value? 4 But you even undermine piety and hinder devotion to God. 5 Your sin prompts your mouth; you adopt the tongue of the crafty. 6 Your own mouth condemns you, not mine; your own lips testify against you.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:05   

As my first (and final) post here, in tribute to Kairosfocus I began a parody of the World's Longest Published Poem in English...   
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The longest published poem in English literature now belongs to writer and artist Nigel Tomm, whose new book "The Blah Story, Volume 8" consists of one poem which contains 98,728 words; 449,441 characters (with spaces); 23,161 lines; 728 pages.
"The Blah Story" experiments with algebraic literature, extending and intensifying existing wordscapes in the pursuit of a visionary aesthetic that encompasses all fields of literature, ranging from poetry through to fiction and drama. It develops and extends methods of algorithmic fractal literature, using algorithmic literature's methods to generate textual pattern with fractal structure, i.e., every separate volume of the story is self-similar. Nigel Tomm's literary phase-shifting minimalism is made dazzlingly entertaining in all "The Blah Story" volumes, which are made from persuasively engaging textures based mostly in steady pulse, stasis and slow transformation, and often reiteration of phrases or other textual units  (with over-usage of the word 'blah').
...but found no changes were needed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:08   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,17:01)
Meanwhile, even the tards take potshots at Kairosfocus:

   
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501
crater
03/15/2009

4:09 am
   
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Crater, 471:

Please (especially given your track record . . . sadly) take time to read 346 - 7 before making comments on this issue again.

No to mention, the original quote-mined remarks, as cited and linked at 404 and 407.


KF, I have read them. And, even to a sympathetic onlooker, it is obvious that they do not support your contention that the Weasel program was latching letters. I have tried to give you every benefit of the doubt and I can only conclude that your refusal to admit your (minor) error is due to pride. And such an exhibit of pride can only remind me (sadly) of Job 15:2-6.


Shall we take a look at Job 15:2-6?  Why, yes, we shall.
   
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2 "Would a wise man answer with empty notions or fill his belly with the hot east wind?  3 Would he argue with useless words, with speeches that have no value? 4 But you even undermine piety and hinder devotion to God. 5 Your sin prompts your mouth; you adopt the tongue of the crafty. 6 Your own mouth condemns you, not mine; your own lips testify against you.

Maybe we will be celebrating noting the passing of KF soon too?

That's got to be a bad sign when BA^77 or KF get out Bible-quoted... and Out-scienced on the same thread. :)

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:11   

Howdy all,


I would like to report that I too have had my posts deleted.  Fortunately, I was able to go back through the pages on my browser and resurrect them:

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lcd

03/15/2009

3:46 pm

Mapou,

Actually Kellogg did take your argument to the cleaners and absolutely destroyed it. He was not only able to refute what you stated but as you have not been able to counter that it would seem as though your comment was wrong.

While I’d love to see Darwinists taken to task, only when we on the ID side are able to show them where their ideas are wrong and maintain it will they have to look at their own pigheadedness and fallacies. Otherwise it is the ID side that looks foolish.


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lcd

03/15/2009

4:04 pm

I don’t believe that humanity has different species either.

But I do know that many Christians in the US 150 years ago did. Very religious men like John C. Calhoun and others from the US south spoke at length about the “inferiority of the negro”. These men were not Darwinists and believe in the literal creation. They also believe in Ham and his “mark” that was left to his descendants. Darwin I think was considered “far too liberal” for men like Calhoun.

Wouldn’t it be better to conclude that racism is actually more a form of Xenophobia? As to some in the science being tainted with racism, I heartily agree. The problem is there are those who profess to be Christian, follow Our Lord Jesus and yet still demonize others for the colour of their skin.

Seems that it is people who are racists and religion and science, just as any other tool, can be misused by anyone with a point of view they want to expose.


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lcd

03/15/2009

4:12 pm

Joseph:

So race was used for classification and not by Creationists

That seems to have been made not by science, but by people who already had it in their mind to put people into groups.

Be very careful. Many Christians in the US South had “classifications” for the different races. 150 years ago, people were classified into “masters” and “slaves”.

I fear that the further digging into the idea that Darwin was a racist (and from a 21st Century POV he could be considered that) as it can be shown that religion was even more misused that science when it came to “race”. Again, I stress that the SBC came into existence as it tried to give slavery biblical support.


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lcd

03/15/2009

4:24 pm

This is incredibly disheartening. I was hoping to find credible research that backs up ID as a viable and testable science. So far, I have not seen any.

The thing I find most disheartening is that it seems that the best ID research can do is cast dispersions on people born 200 years ago.


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03/15-2009

4:26 pm

Mapou,


As one Christian to another, what about the Christians who are racist even to the point of declaring it gospel?

To me they are not Christian at all but are in fact misusing the gospel to promote their personal agenda.  The downside I'd guess would mean then that scientists who are trying to misuse science by claiming science to justify their racism are not using science at all.

Perhaps we should stop trying to tar and feather the science community as there are far too many Christians who do not act in a Christian manner at all.
Just wanted to complain to someone.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:16   

Quote (lcd @ Mar. 15 2009,17:11)
Just wanted to complain to someone.

Welcome LCD - and we're listening.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:19   

Quote (JLT @ Mar. 16 2009,09:58)
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2009,22:16)
I'm going to miss the big lug... now that the entertainment has left the only thing that remains is the stupidity.

So true.

I'm actually a little sad about this. I first started noticing Dave when he was banninated from PT.

Appologies to Auden (I only changed two words):

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He is Banned.
Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that tard would last forever: I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one,
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun,
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods;
For nothing now can ever come to any good.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:20   

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Howdy all,


I would like to report that I too have had my posts deleted.  

[...]

Just wanted to complain to someone.

Welcome to the Village Of The Banned.

Is this all beginning to resemble a Stalinist purge or what?

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:21   

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How long before they announce this was all "street theater"?

Yes, they threw Dave under the bus.



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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:22   

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Apparently it's been replaced with a new post from Barry titled "Scientific Certainty 100 Years Ago" containing 3 quotes from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica without explanation as to the relevance to ID.

Allen is doing a heroic job.

The ninny called Borne wrote;
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The original Darwinism was polygenic - multiple rates and/or origins of evolution per race, thus necessitating a racist view of humanity. There’s no way out of it.


How about reading Darwin? Would that work?
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Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, &c., yet if their whole organisation be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these points are of so unimportant or of so singular a nature, that it is extremely improbable that they should have been independently acquired by aboriginally distinct species or races. The same remark holds good with equal or greater force with respect to the numerous points of mental similarity between the most distinct races of man. The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans differ as much from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Fuegians on board the "Beagle," with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate.


and,
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Now when naturalists observe a close agreement in numerous small details of habits, tastes and dispositions between two or more domestic races, or between nearly-allied natural forms, they use this fact as an argument that all are descended from a common progenitor who was thus endowed; and consequently that all should be classed under the same species. The same argument may be applied with much force to the races of man.


Darwin, Charles R.
1871 "The Descent of Man"

Darwin actually explicitly addressed the issue of monogenist vs. polygenist:

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The question whether mankind consists of one or several species has of late years been much agitated by anthropologists, who are divided into two schools of monogenists and polygenists. Those who do not admit the principle of evolution, must look at species either as separate creations or as in some manner distinct entities; and they must decide what forms to rank as species by the analogy of other organic beings which are commonly thus received. But it is a hopeless endeavour to decide this point on sound grounds, until some definition of the term "species" is generally accepted; and the definition must not include an element which cannot possibly be ascertained, such as an act of creation. We might as well attempt without any definition to decide whether a certain number of houses should be called a village, or town, or city. We have a practical illustration of the difficulty in the never-ending doubts whether many closely-allied mammals, birds, insects, and plants, which represent each other in North America and Europe, should be ranked species or geographical races; and so it is with the productions of many islands situated at some little distance from the nearest continent.

Those naturalists, on the other hand, who admit the principle of evolution, and this is now admitted by the greater number of rising men, will feel no doubt that all the races of man are descended from a single primitive stock; whether or not they think fit to designate them as distinct species, for the sake of expressing their amount of difference.


Clearly, he equated the polygenist view with special creation.

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FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:23   

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Maybe we will be celebrating noting the passing of KF soon too?
I suspect you could be right. Unless the moderation at UD reverts to DaveScot standard, there are enough sockpuppets to remind Gordon about his inability to admit error.

I think he will lay low for a while.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:23   

Shakespeare, Yeats, Auden: Golly, but we're very cultured here!



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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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