Timothy McDougald
Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006
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Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 15 2009,16:56) | Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,07:41) | Quote (paragwinn @ Mar. 15 2009,05:08) | Apparently it's been replaced with a new post from Barry titled "Scientific Certainty 100 Years Ago" containing 3 quotes from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica without explanation as to the relevance to ID. |
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Allen is doing a heroic job.
The ninny called Borne wrote; Quote | The original Darwinism was polygenic - multiple rates and/or origins of evolution per race, thus necessitating a racist view of humanity. There’s no way out of it. |
How about reading Darwin? Would that work? Quote | Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, &c., yet if their whole organisation be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these points are of so unimportant or of so singular a nature, that it is extremely improbable that they should have been independently acquired by aboriginally distinct species or races. The same remark holds good with equal or greater force with respect to the numerous points of mental similarity between the most distinct races of man. The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans differ as much from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Fuegians on board the "Beagle," with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate. |
and, Quote | Now when naturalists observe a close agreement in numerous small details of habits, tastes and dispositions between two or more domestic races, or between nearly-allied natural forms, they use this fact as an argument that all are descended from a common progenitor who was thus endowed; and consequently that all should be classed under the same species. The same argument may be applied with much force to the races of man. |
Darwin, Charles R. 1871 "The Descent of Man" |
Darwin actually explicitly addressed the issue of monogenist vs. polygenist:
Quote | The question whether mankind consists of one or several species has of late years been much agitated by anthropologists, who are divided into two schools of monogenists and polygenists. Those who do not admit the principle of evolution, must look at species either as separate creations or as in some manner distinct entities; and they must decide what forms to rank as species by the analogy of other organic beings which are commonly thus received. But it is a hopeless endeavour to decide this point on sound grounds, until some definition of the term "species" is generally accepted; and the definition must not include an element which cannot possibly be ascertained, such as an act of creation. We might as well attempt without any definition to decide whether a certain number of houses should be called a village, or town, or city. We have a practical illustration of the difficulty in the never-ending doubts whether many closely-allied mammals, birds, insects, and plants, which represent each other in North America and Europe, should be ranked species or geographical races; and so it is with the productions of many islands situated at some little distance from the nearest continent.
Those naturalists, on the other hand, who admit the principle of evolution, and this is now admitted by the greater number of rising men, will feel no doubt that all the races of man are descended from a single primitive stock; whether or not they think fit to designate them as distinct species, for the sake of expressing their amount of difference. |
Clearly, he equated the polygenist view with special creation.
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