Joined: Sep. 2006
More KF loudspeaker to document. Also that kinda unhealthy obsession with Dr. Matzke has led him to ban Roy for either agreeing with Nick? or denying he's Nick's sockpuppet?
RoyMarch 11, 2014 at 5:54 pm
In this particular case, in a previous thread, he and confederates/ enablers falsely accused me of Gish Gallop (triggered by a point-wise summary at 23) [cf 31 which specifically addresses rude disruptiveness] and quote mining [which I corrected at 51 on here by making an extensive citation proving the contrary; observe round-up at 75 which I was forced to make on Christmas Day], which when he “vanished” was then taken up by a sock puppet or confederate or enabler.
I am not a sock puppet of Nick Matzke. Your suggestion that Nick uses sock puppet accounts, implying deceitfulness, is not only false but also completely unjustified. You owe Nick Matzke a retraction and an apology.
–> Au Contraire, your behaviour shows that you fit the categories [recall, three-fold . . . denoting a range of possibilities], in fact for instance, you may be a persona of one of the denizens of a cluster of notorious sites that are known to explicitly collaborate on tactics and moves, or to informally support and enable. As for NM, he has been long since demonstrated dishonest starting with the lies circulated by NCSE while he was their publicist. Lies that have materially contributed to unjust court decision and unjustified career busting. In the more immediate context of the past few months, as shown above with links, his false accusation of “Gish Gallop” which led to my finally dealing with him as a heckler, is a further case in point.
–> I also have not failed to notice, that you have tried to deny and dismiss the slanders that have been documented on NM’s part, whilst trying to twist about and further falsely accuse me. Typical.
–> Let me also make something clear about the range of meanings of the term sock puppet, per Wikipedia:
>>A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term—a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock—originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about, himself while pretending to be another person. The term now includes other misleading uses of online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a person or organization, or to circumvent a suspension or ban from a website. A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as an independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer. Many online communities attempt to block sockpuppets.>>
–> The point should be clear enough: you popped up as “second” after NM vanished in a thread, now, more than one. You are using an effectively anonymous identity and are posing as an unaffiliated third party. But, your function in a context of trying to dismiss demonstrated problems with NM and to resort to twistabout personal attack, smearing false accusation tactics comes straight out of the Alinskyite astro-turf [as in not grassroots] tactics book.
–> And as for you “Roy,” you are now on notice that you too have some apologising and making of amends to do.
Nor am I a confederate of Nick Matzke. We have never met, have never spoken, and (unless he’s replied to one of my few posts at The Panda’s Thumb) never communicated on-line. Nor can I be an enabler, since Nick posted long before I did. Those are also false accusations.
–> your denial in the teeth of facts shown to the contrary simply, sadly, further demonstrates your status. At minimum, you are an enabler, and your behaviour in co-ordination or support may indicate, confederate. I cannot even eliminate sock puppet given the patterns and behaviour in view. Sorry, but your say-so, given your patterns of behaviour, is not good enough.
There is no right to be rude or to make false accusations, …
–> A compounding, turnabout false accusation.
–> Strike 2. If you do not make amends, you have the choice (a) remove yourself from threads I own, or (b) be treated as a disruptive, false-accusation making heckler.
–> And, I take the step of marking up your comment to show the serious nature of what you are doing. KF
Roy's original in italics.