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Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2017,12:10   

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Mullings is definitely over his grieving period.
and De Ole Dawg is back as well. The time is nigh.

No updates to The Montserrat Reporter today.  Looks like UD will have to do without KF until they get the power back.

From Barry:
     
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As many of our readers know, one of our most valued and prolific contributors lives on Montserrat.

Maybe he could put in a word with the big cheese upstairs for a special dispensation for Gordo so he can have an interwebs connection  so he can give us the csi of Irma.


IIRC proponents of ID claim that Intelligent Design doesn't necessarily mean their chosen supernatural deity, right?

ETs are totes a legitimate possibility? An artist's rendition of KF's prayers answered ...



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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2017,13:55   

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Maybe they're trying to overcome resistance?

That would be futile.

They might as well go ohm.

How would they keep current if they did that?

Watts it to you?

Say Watt?

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,10:21   

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Maybe they're trying to overcome resistance?

That would be futile.

They might as well go ohm.

How would they keep current if they did that?

Watts it to you?

Say Watt?

You hertz me.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,11:42   

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Maybe they're trying to overcome resistance?

That would be futile.

They might as well go ohm.

How would they keep current if they did that?

Watts it to you?

Say Watt?

You hertz me.

Shocking!

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,15:12   

First off, CR beats the shit outta loudmouth barry, but then ET/Joe comes along and misses a point so hard he probably killed a spectator:

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critical rationalistSeptember 9, 2017 at 9:31 am
@Barry

Evolutionary processes do not explain consciousness. That’s like expecting evolution to explain photosynthesis. These are two different things.

For example, although there are still a few aspects that we do not understand, the details of how plants turn water, light and CO into oxygen and glucose were not understood until the 1900’s. However, we had an explantion for how the knowege of how plants ended up with that feature before then. Namely, Darwins’ theory of evolution.

Furthermore, it’s unclear how saying human beings are conscious because “that’s just what some conscious being must have wanted” explains consciousness. I’m really quite baffled by how you think this actuall makes any sense.

Specifically, some being that “just was” compete with consciousness, already present, serves no explantory purpose. This is because one could more efficiently state that human beings “just appeared”, complete with consciousness, already present. All you’ve done is pushed the problem up a level without improving it.

IOW, it’s as if you’ve merely pushed the food around on your plate and claimed to have eaten it. Yet, it still there staring you in the face.

For this to make any sense, what you probably mean when you say “explain” is actually “justifiy”. Evolution doesn’t “justify” conciousness, which of course it doesn’t. Justificationism fails spectacularly when we attempt to take is seriously, because it’s impossible. Apparently, it works, because it worked in the past, except it didn’t actually work in the past either.

But, by all means, feel free to explain how it actually works, in practice. You’ll be quite famous in philosophy circles and might even win a Nobel Prize!

So, I’d suggest the very idea that it is possible, despite people pointing out out those fatal flaws, is an example of people believing in something no rational person can believe.
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Darwin’s theory of evolution doesn’t explain photosynthesis


linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,15:15   

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What? Questioning evolution is not science denial?
September 8, 2017 Posted by News under Darwinism, Evolution, Intelligent Design, science education
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What pre-extinguished boffin said that? From Fern Elsdon-Baker at Guardian:


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rvb8September 8, 2017 at 11:41 pm
NEWS,

another fabulous and truly flabergasting sentence; what does this mean;

“What pre-extinguished boffin said that?”
‘Pre-extinguished?’

The simple fact that I gain from the article is that the number of atheists is growing at a fantastic rate.

This growth is largely driven by youth, and many of these young are newly turned from their unsatisfactory faiths, (failing dismally to give answers to what we are doing here, and why we are human etc).

It is to be expected that their grasp on their new approach to questions of origins and meaning are a little unclear, let me as a fully mature atheist explain it for you. This will let you understand where these young atheists will eventually be, in their understanding of life.

“You, are lucky to be here, the chances of your existance are so astronomically tiny that you may fall into the arrogant myth, that a specific God cares for you or made you; don’t do that. There is no purpose to the universe, and your job is to pass on your gentic material, and nothing more. Along the way you may enjoy your lucky existance by making friends, fulfilling your evolved curiosity, and loving your family.

The End!”
denyse has actually been paid to write things.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,15:17   

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The peculiar thing is that such people are very sensitive to the slightest 0.05 change in their investments and retirements, but can’t be bothered with calculating the chances for their eternal destiny.

Can you explain what ones eternal destiny has to do with whether the universe was fine tuned for life? It’s unclear what one has to do with the other. Some designer could fine tune the universe so people can live for 80 years or so, which ends in nothingness.

So, for the sake of argument, even it there was some kind of evidence that the universe was fine tuned by a designer, which I’m not suggesting, so what? You can’t get to etenal life, Jesus etc. from there.
that's going to twist some drawers over there.

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,20:17   

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You can’t get to eternal life, Jesus etc. from there.

Hitchens often stressed this point during his debates when he'd say "Even if you grant Deism you have all your work ahead of you", and I don't remember any of his opponents responding to it.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2017,06:16   

Seversky errs
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There is no move to abandon traditional standards of evidence in science

He clearly hasn't been paying enough attention to ID, which has been trying to remove methodological naturalism from science for years.

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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2017,19:00   

I do wonder how many of them over there (assuming they've ever considered the matter) would be OK with the re-introduction of spectral evidence in the courtroom?

  
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2017,19:47   

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I do wonder how many of them over there (assuming they've ever considered the matter) would be OK with the re-introduction of spectral evidence in the courtroom?

Lots of them, so long as the spectral evidence was vetted by the correct religion.  The latter of which might lead to disputes, and eventually war, however.

Glen Davidson

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,09:10   

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I do wonder how many of them over there (assuming they've ever considered the matter) would be OK with the re-introduction of spectral evidence in the courtroom?

Two werds Judge Jones and the cover of Time magazine...

Scouring through a local hardware store today I saw some bathroom non slip mats with the moniker Intelligent Design. It seems that they are not a dot com nor is the domain IntelligentDesign.com registered. It looks like the slippy footed over at the DI are asleep at the drain.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,11:00   

Old Corny has published a new death blow to evolution. In his own words:
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Abortion demolishes evolution.


Abortion

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,20:40   

So when is UD going to begin Abortion Celebration Day?

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,21:41   

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So when is UD going to begin Abortion Celebration Day?

Don't know. Corny is no longer allowed to post OPs on UD.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,22:12   

They haz falling out?

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2017,23:05   

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They haz falling out?

While one might hope the thylacine/wolf debacle would have been enough to cause UD to say "Nope", it's more likely that something insufficiently respectful of YEC is at fault.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,04:19   

I was going to put this on the science shorts thread, but that's been locked.

Anyway, from today's Nature we have this:
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To understand why molecular evolution turned out as it did, we must characterize not only the path that evolution followed across the space of possible molecular sequences but also the many alternative trajectories that could have been taken but were not. A large-scale comparison of real and possible histories would establish whether the outcome of evolution represents an optimal state driven by natural selection or the contingent product of historical chance events; it would also reveal how the underlying distribution of functions across sequence space shaped historical evolution. Here we combine ancestral protein reconstruction4 with deep mutational scanning to characterize alternative histories in the sequence space around an ancient transcription factor, which evolved a novel biological function through well-characterized mechanisms. We find hundreds of alternative protein sequences that use diverse biochemical mechanisms to perform the derived function at least as well as the historical outcome. These alternatives all require prior permissive substitutions that do not enhance the derived function, but not all require the same permissive changes that occurred during history. We find that if evolution had begun from a different starting point within the network of sequences encoding the ancestral function, outcomes with different genetic and biochemical forms would probably have resulted; this contingency arises from the distribution of functional variants in sequence space and epistasis between residues. Our results illuminate the topology of the vast space of possibilities from which history sampled one path, highlighting how the outcome of evolution depends on a serial chain of compounding chance events.

Cool stuff - basically they poke around the search space and found lots of potential targets that would work. It should really help anyone wanting to calculate their FIASCO statistics.

I'm waiting to see UD's take on this.

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,07:35   

I see that UD is promoting a "documentary" about Behe's "research", under the title "Michael Behe, Revolutionary, documentary now free online".

Is this "free" as in "Buy a box of mousetraps, get a free documentary"?

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,09:35   

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I see that UD is promoting a "documentary" about Behe's "research", under the title "Michael Behe, Revolutionary, documentary now free online".

Is this "free" as in "Buy a box of mousetraps, get a free documentary"?

As in "Free to a good home.  Probably won't crap on your carpet."

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,09:38   

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I see that UD is promoting a "documentary" about Behe's "research", under the title "Michael Behe, Revolutionary, documentary now free online".

Is this "free" as in "Buy a box of mousetraps, get a free documentary"?

Free as in, no one will buy this crap.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,10:39   

Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,11:13   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Wouldn't that be considered as cruel and unusual punishment for the thief?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,16:06   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,17:24   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

You can't put a roof on an irreducibly-complex house, because you'd need to use a ladder, or scaffolding.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,17:44   

Over at the secret lab, they're all pointing.

"You touched it last!"

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,20:04   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

You can't put a roof on an irreducibly-complex house, because you'd need to use a ladder, or scaffolding.

Or, intelligent architecture.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2017,21:52   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

You can't put a roof on an irreducibly-complex house, because you'd need to use a ladder, or scaffolding.

Or, intelligent architecture.

and angels with hammers and saws, fairy lumber suppliers, magic cement and an old guy with a beard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2017,10:13   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

You can't put a roof on an irreducibly-complex house, because you'd need to use a ladder, or scaffolding.

Or, intelligent architecture.

and angels with hammers and saws, fairy lumber suppliers, magic cement and an old guy with a beard.

You can get old guys with beards in any methodology.

I note that the Bible makes no mention of qualifications, membership of professional bodies or indemnity insurance.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2017,10:21   

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Free, as in "left on the front boulevard in the rain, in the hopes that someone will steal it".

Someone left Behe out in the rain...

You can't put a roof on an irreducibly-complex house, because you'd need to use a ladder, or scaffolding.

Or, intelligent architecture.

and angels with hammers and saws, fairy lumber suppliers, magic cement and an old guy with a beard.

You can get old guys with beards in any methodology.

I note that the Bible makes no mention of qualifications, membership of professional bodies or indemnity insurance.

Guilds weren't mentioned in the bible because goat herders didn't need no badgers.

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