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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,10:29   

It seems you are mistaken. NFC stands for Nature Favours Christianity. The argument is related to those that support the view that gravity is at precisely the right strength to prevent missionaries in less fortunate lands from falling off.

NFC relies on the non-materialist doctrine of copywrong. This permits gene duplications to occur without increase of information. Legally, it is quite interesting. Simply put, the fee-simple copyholder can claim in rem that a non-repudiatory rescission is moot, given that the locus standi of notice parties at the interlocutory stage of interrogatories vitiates quasi-judicial application of the equitable doctrine of estoppel. Of course, this leaves open the availability of a plea in laches (subject to novation by the interceding party). But I'm sure you knew that.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,10:54   

Quote (Amadan @ April 10 2008,10:29)
It seems you are mistaken. NFC stands for Nature Favours Christianity. The argument is related to those that support the view that gravity is at precisely the right strength to prevent missionaries in less fortunate lands from falling off.

NFC relies on the non-materialist doctrine of copywrong. This permits gene duplications to occur without increase of information. Legally, it is quite interesting. Simply put, the fee-simple copyholder can claim in rem that a non-repudiatory rescission is moot, given that the locus standi of notice parties at the interlocutory stage of interrogatories vitiates quasi-judicial application of the equitable doctrine of estoppel. Of course, this leaves open the availability of a plea in laches (subject to novation by the interceding party). But I'm sure you knew that.

So in other words:

But we still totally pwn that flix. Exjunked is mega ph4t lewt and we even found some sploitz that let us non-release them and make em tap ther MAD BANK!

Oh yes, now I see.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,11:36   

So, what is the Discovery Institute's first press release after the Expelled -XVIVO fiasco?  I am glad you asked.

They have announced their upcoming Vacation Bible School.
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Discovery Institute is pleased to announce two intensive summer seminars on intelligent design, science, and culture from July 11-20, 2008 in Seattle. The first seminar is for students in the natural sciences and philosophy of science; the second seminar is for students in the social sciences and humanities (including politics, law, journalism, and theology).


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Grayman



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,11:52   

I apologize if someone has posted this notion but imagine if you will a guy in a ball cap in his local multiplex on April 18 with his buddies.  Nothing big and exciting is opening ‘cause it’s too early for the summer blockbusters. He’s staring at the posters trying to decide what to see and notices Ben Stein in short pants spray painting something.  He recalls ‘Win Ben Stein’s Money’ and a couple of sitcoms and thinks “That dude’s kinda funny!”  He suggests ‘Expelled’ to his friends and they shrug and lay out their cash.  Half an hour later, his friends are sitting in the dark and staring at him in laugh-free, ten dollars-poorer gloom.  They exit the theater.  Exactly what do you think his friends do to him next?  Anyone?  Anyone?  

For bonus credit, what proportion of 'Expelled' week one ticket sales will be generated by some variant of this scenario?  Will there be ANY week two ticket sales?

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,11:57   

Wow.

I decide to get a life and spend an evening in the hot tub with my honey, and all hell breaks loose (again, but increasing in absurdity)!

What can I say? I’m speechless at these latest developments. But then I was left speechless by the film. If PZ hadn’t been thrown out, if Mathis hadn’t been a snot to Dawkins, and if Mathis hadn’t flat-out lied to me, I wouldn’t have had that much to talk about. (What can one say about a clumsily-made flick that preaches “freedom of speech!” while exhorting people that if they don’t stop evolving, they’ll go blind?) ;)

The record-breaking ineptitude of the people involved in this boondoggle just blows my mind. The only thing to say at this point is: ID is a drug. It’s a rush. At no other time in my life have I laughed my ass off while my chin was on the floor.

And I think Kevin’s bailed for good. (I don’t blame him, frankly.)

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BopDiddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,11:58   

Quote (uriel @ April 10 2008,02:34)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 09 2008,16:33)
The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well, no. As far as Mike Nelson goes, that's one problem.

The other is that Mike is to Joel, as BJ was to Trapper John: on the one hand less funny and original, and on the other more stilted and uninteresting.

...

C'est la vie, as the Quebecois are wont to say.

And as far as this goes:      
Quote (dheddle @ April 09 2008,15:40)
There was one where a character in the 50's B scifi movie said "it's destiny" and one of the MST crew--I think  it was the bubble gum machine robot said: "He's a Calvinist!"


That's just the best thing I've read all day.

Bet it was Joel, wasn't it? 'Course it was. Stupid f-ing Mike.

By the way, did I mention I have strong views on the Joel vs. Mike issue?

Man, oh man, *now* here comes a flame war...

Mike was the head-writer, even for much of the Joel stuff, I hope ya know.  And most of the awards the show received were during Mike's involvement.

So there.  Neener neener.

"Esti de câlisse de tabarnac!" (As the Québécois I know say to me all the time)

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:07   

UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal....re-3203

Interesting bit:

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...We’re currently investigating this claim and hopefully we’ll have more information in the next couple hours. But when asked about this, Jonathan Wells had this to say:

Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.



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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:08   

DI is fucked.  Tub-Tub-TARD has jumped to Premise's defense:
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Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.

So *thats* where Kevin got that line!

Thank you, Mr. Wells.  I shall be feasting on roast Creationist pig tonight (must work, will blag later).

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:15   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 10 2008,11:36)
So, what is the Discovery Institute's first press release after the Expelled -XVIVO fiasco?  I am glad you asked.

They have announced their upcoming Vacation Bible School.
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Discovery Institute is pleased to announce two intensive summer seminars on intelligent design, science, and culture from July 11-20, 2008 in Seattle. The first seminar is for students in the natural sciences and philosophy of science; the second seminar is for students in the social sciences and humanities (including politics, law, journalism, and theology).

Dear DI,

I would like to attend your intensive summer seminars on intelligent design, science, and culture from July 11-20, 2008 in Seattle.

However, I would like your advice as to which of the 2 courses would be the best for me to take, since I would like to major in the exciting new Intelligent Design Sciencey Field.

In other words, which of your two courses offers the best instruction in how, when, and how often to lie for Jesus.

Thank you in advance for your help.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2008,12:07)
UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal....re-3203

Interesting bit:

 
Quote
...We’re currently investigating this claim and hopefully we’ll have more information in the next couple hours. But when asked about this, Jonathan Wells had this to say:

Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.


According to Afarensis, the Expelled video managed to duplicate errors that were in the XVIVO video.

I am sure that is it.  It isn't like that had happened before.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:22   

Quote (ERV @ April 10 2008,12:08)
DI is fucked.  Tub-Tub-TARD has jumped to Premise's defense:
 
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Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.

So *thats* where Kevin got that line!

Thank you, Mr. Wells.  I shall be feasting on roast Creationist pig tonight (must work, will blag later).

Uh oh, God's I-pod didn't get the memo:

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Gods iPod
04/10/2008
12:03 pm
Um, having watched the new video on the site, they either ARE using the Harvard animation OR they have created an exact replica. When I saw it, it was immediately recognizable as the Harvard animation.


AND YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE AS SOMEONE WHO'S BANNED. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE. -DT

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BCtheEra



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:34   

Jonathan "Ignignokt" Wells said:
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Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.
(Emphasis mine)
That's funny, considering how PZ pointed out that the "Expelled" animation contains the same error which he noted in the original XVIVO animation.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....pel.php

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:38   

Quote (BCtheEra @ April 10 2008,12:34)
Jonathan "Ignignokt" Wells said:
 
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Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.
(Emphasis mine)
That's funny, considering how PZ pointed out that the "Expelled" animation contains the same error which he noted in the original XVIVO animation.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....pel.php

What?  

You don't think that a Seattle-based Faith Tank can out-science Harvard?

Oh.  Me neither.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MOST FUN YOU CAN HAVE WITH YOUR CLOTHES ON!

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BCtheEra



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,12:53   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 10 2008,12:38)
Quote (BCtheEra @ April 10 2008,12:34)
Jonathan "Ignignokt" Wells said:
   
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Expelled does NOT use the Harvard animation. The producers paid a professional to create a new animation that is more accurate than the Harvard one (based on current knowledge of cellular processes). Any similarities between the Expelled animation and the Harvard one are due to the fact that both animations depict many of the same processes.
(Emphasis mine)
That's funny, considering how PZ pointed out that the "Expelled" animation contains the same error which he noted in the original XVIVO animation.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....pel.php

What?  

You don't think that a Seattle-based Faith Tank can out-science Harvard?

Oh.  Me neither.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MOST FUN YOU CAN HAVE WITH YOUR CLOTHES ON!

Now that I think about it, we may be misunderestimating Dr. Dr. Wells.  I'm sure that his doctorates in theology and developmental biology (that one is going to real good use) pretty much make him an expert with regards to architecture, 19th century Russian literature, Keynesian economics, cellular biology, and whatever other topics of which he chooses to talk out of his ass discuss.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,13:02   

FtK's telling them what's what on that thread..

wait for it...

wait for it..



*Rolls eyes*

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,13:29   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2008,13:02)
FtK's telling them what's what on that thread..

wait for it...

wait for it..



*Rolls eyes*

And she gets all sciencey too!
 
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But, come on people, a cell’s a cell

and
 
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Truth is, that when people really contemplate the inner life of a cell, you cannot miss the design….*that’s what worries them*.

But TroutMac wins the award for most nauseatingly arrogant numbnut on that thread (so far)    
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For those of you reading this thread who are sympathetic to the threatened legal action, you ought to be ashamed. You are fascists, plain and simple. You want to SHUT UP an idea that (switch on sarcastic, nasally tone here) you just don’t personally take a liking to. What arrogance. Incredible.

All posted on a blog that has shut up ten times more people than are actively posting there today

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,13:40   

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According to Afarensis, the Expelled video managed to duplicate errors that were in the XVIVO video.

I am sure that is it.  It isn't like that had happened before.


Yeah, but this is ID, so copied errors don't count as evidence for inheritance from earlier identical information.

Until you can show that God didn't take these errors from the Harvard video, put them in the head of a designer working for him, and thus produced these similarites by design, you don't have a case.

OK, you don't have a case using ID standards ("standards").

Oh damn, the IDiots forgot that courts haven't shifted over to believing that magic accounts for the evidence that the materialists insist are due to causal mechanisms.  There's always a flaw.  Now it's even more important that science be freed from the shackles of materialistic thought, for the courts are likely to side with the atheist materialists who claim that "evidence" actually points to identifiable events.


That's how despotic atheists are, though.

Glen D

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,13:48   



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factician



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,14:23   

FtK, PhD Cell Biology:

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But, come on people, a cell’s a cell…I mean if you’re making a computer generated animation, I’d assume that you’re going to see some similarities between them.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,14:36   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 10 2008,13:29)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2008,13:02)
FtK's telling them what's what on that thread..

wait for it...

wait for it..



*Rolls eyes*

And she gets all sciencey too!
 
Quote
But, come on people, a cell’s a cell

and
   
Quote
Truth is, that when people really contemplate the inner life of a cell, you cannot miss the design….*that’s what worries them*.

But TroutMac wins the award for most nauseatingly arrogant numbnut on that thread (so far)    
Quote
For those of you reading this thread who are sympathetic to the threatened legal action, you ought to be ashamed. You are fascists, plain and simple. You want to SHUT UP an idea that (switch on sarcastic, nasally tone here) you just don’t personally take a liking to. What arrogance. Incredible.

All posted on a blog that has shut up ten times more people than are actively posting there today

Albie to be fair I know for a fact that most of us have been removed multiple times.  But in general yeah isn't that ironic.




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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,14:52   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 10 2008,14:36)
But in general yeah isn't that ironic.



Erasamus -

What's ironic is that this guy (It's you, isn't it?) is doing more
scientific experimentation and observation than all those boobs at the DI have done in their entire sordid history.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,14:59   

Quote (tacitus @ April 09 2008,23:43)
I honestly don't see how they postpone the premier.  Unless they were so dumb as to not get any legal advice about making their own version of the animation (admittedly, they could be that dumb) then they will probably already have been told by a lawyer that they've done enough to squeak past any lawsuit over copyright.

So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.

Yes, but was the lawyer ---- Casey Luskin?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:04   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 10 2008,14:59)
Quote (tacitus @ April 09 2008,23:43)
I honestly don't see how they postpone the premier.  Unless they were so dumb as to not get any legal advice about making their own version of the animation (admittedly, they could be that dumb) then they will probably already have been told by a lawyer that they've done enough to squeak past any lawsuit over copyright.

So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.

Yes, but was the lawyer ---- Casey Luskin?

I'm hoping for BarryA. Or that More Law Center that did so well in Dover.

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BCtheEra



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:05   

Some grade-A tard:
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wnelson

04/10/2008

2:46 pm

Andrea:

No — “friendly” as in friendly to the idea that we have souls.

Dembski already has (sic) this pulled on him.


I'm guessing that last bit of this cream or tard-tar is supposed to be "Dembski already had this pulled on him.  What was pulled on Dembski?  This sweater?

I wouldn't willingly wear that sweater either.

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:12   

Apologies in advance for a rant style post.

When I first entered these discussions I considered myself as a Christian and was pretty much an anti-evolutionist. The reason for that was that I had been lied to (and guess which group did that).

I am still stunned when (some of) the religious folks tell blatant lies and use deception to further their cause. Personally I can't justify/understand claiming to believe the teachings of what Jesus is supposed to have preached and being a bare faced liar (other than the obvious "con-man" angle).


A few caveats here. If about 80-95% of the population of the USA identify as Christians and damned near 50% of the USA think evolution happened then the majority of evolution supporters in the USA must self identify as Christians.*

Kinda beggars the claim that evolution/theism is exclusive.

Oh well.

Must add that FTK just about sums up everything I dislike about religionists. The double standards/hypocrisy is amazing.


*Hat tip to Lenny Flank there.

PS. to Louis. Tried to PM you several times (I think). Never managed to get it to work. However, beer and stuff sounds good. Windsor/Maidenhead or London would suit me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:13   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2008,15:04)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 10 2008,14:59)
Quote (tacitus @ April 09 2008,23:43)
I honestly don't see how they postpone the premier.  Unless they were so dumb as to not get any legal advice about making their own version of the animation (admittedly, they could be that dumb) then they will probably already have been told by a lawyer that they've done enough to squeak past any lawsuit over copyright.

So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.

Yes, but was the lawyer ---- Casey Luskin?

I'm hoping for BarryA. Or that More Law Center that did so well in Dover.

Larry Fafarman seems to have plenty of free time on his hands.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2008,15:04)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 10 2008,14:59)
Quote (tacitus @ April 09 2008,23:43)
I honestly don't see how they postpone the premier.  Unless they were so dumb as to not get any legal advice about making their own version of the animation (admittedly, they could be that dumb) then they will probably already have been told by a lawyer that they've done enough to squeak past any lawsuit over copyright.

So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.

Yes, but was the lawyer ---- Casey Luskin?

I'm hoping for BarryA. Or that More Law Center that did so well in Dover.

A couple more possibilities:  Larry Farfromsane, or more seriously, the fear-inspiring Wendell Bird.  :p

McLean vs. Arkansas - drafted the bill that became Act 590, and EPIC FAIL

Defended state in Edwards vs. Aguillard, EPIC FAIL.

Association of Christian Schools International vs Stearns, EPIC FAIL

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caerbannog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:17   

And the wingnuts' take on PZ Myers' expulsion from that Minnesota "Expelled" screening just keeps getting better and better.

From today's Wingnutdaily (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61134):


On March 20, two Darwinian defenders, who accepted payment to talk like buffoons on the film, tried to bust into a private screening in Minnesota.

"PZ" Myers, a University of Minnesota biology professor and proprietor of the popular atheist blog Pharyngula, was quickly expelled, much as he condones expelling professors who deviate from the monkey line...

Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist at Oxford who wrote the book "The God Delusion," gained entry only by foregoing his evolved surname for the formal, Clinton.

Myers then disrupted an "Expelled" conference call with reporters the next day.

These uncivilized spectacles caused a liberal mass meltdown. According to an "Expelled" press release, the "Expelled" controversy held the No. 1 slot in the blogosphere all day March 24, as registered by Nielson's BlogPulse, and garnered over 800 Technorati results.

.............

"This is not a scientific battle; this is a worldview battle," "Expelled" producer Mark Mathis told me. Mathis has encountered unbridled hostility from the scientific establishment, i.e., avowed Darwinists, at previews.

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"What's driving it is Darwinism is a foundational principle – scientific validation of secularism, atheism, liberalism – and that it strikes at the core of who they are," said Mathis.

"Secondarily, these scientists are the high priests of the biggest question ever asked. They have all the authority, knowledge, power, funding," continued Mathis. "This is ground they own exclusively. They look down their elitist noses at the unwashed ignorant religious masses and scoff. That's why they respond with such extreme hostility. They are very concerned that if this monolith cracks, then the whole thing could crash."


(I knew that PZ Myers' heart was hardened by his hatred of America and all that it stands for, but I didn't realize just how much of an uncivilized troglodyte he is.)  ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:32   

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FtK's telling them what's what on that thread..

wait for it...

wait for it..



*Rolls eyes*

And she gets all sciencey too!
   
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But, come on people, a cell’s a cell

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Truth is, that when people really contemplate the inner life of a cell, you cannot miss the design….*that’s what worries them*.

But TroutMac wins the award for most nauseatingly arrogant numbnut on that thread (so far)      
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For those of you reading this thread who are sympathetic to the threatened legal action, you ought to be ashamed. You are fascists, plain and simple. You want to SHUT UP an idea that (switch on sarcastic, nasally tone here) you just don’t personally take a liking to. What arrogance. Incredible.

All posted on a blog that has shut up ten times more people than are actively posting there today

And who cares if the producers of Expelled stacked the audience with actors to deceptively portray an audience of "Pepperdine University students" to whom Ben Stein "speaks" in the film, when in fact the university reports that there were only two or three actual students in that audience? :O
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It was with some irony for me, then, that I saw Ben Stein's antievolution documentary film, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, opens with the actor, game show host and speechwriter for Richard Nixon addressing a packed audience of adoring students at Pepperdine University, apparently falling for the same trap I did.

Actually they didn't. The biology professors at Pepperdine assure me that their mostly Christian students fully accept the theory of evolution. So who were these people embracing Stein's screed against science? Extras. According to Lee Kats, associate provost for research and chair of natural science at Pepperdine, "the production company paid for the use of the facility just as all other companies do that film on our campus" but that "the company was nervous that they would not have enough people in the audience so they brought in extras. Members of the audience had to sign in and a staff member reports that no more than two to three Pepperdine students were in attendance. Mr. Stein's lecture on that topic was not an event sponsored by the university." And this is one of the least dishonest parts of the film.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,15:40   

Kristine - I am shocked, shocked to see that dishonesty is going on at the Discovery Institute!

Perhaps the producer and writers could pray a Novena to St. Goebbels for forgiveness, although since they broke St. Goebbels First Rule - Don't Get Caught - I am not sure how forgiving he will be.

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