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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2017,06:56   

Speaking of answering questions:

www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/6nhiv6/so_whats_the_current_state_of_verification_of/

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2017,11:21   

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Speaking of answering questions:


He swerves, he ducks and runs head first into the wall!

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2017,12:09   

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Speaking of answering questions:


He swerves, he ducks and runs head first into the wall!

Maybe he was written that way?

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2017,14:13   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 17 2017,06:56)
Speaking of answering questions:

www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/6nhiv6/so_whats_the_current_state_of_verification_of/

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MaceWumpusphilosophy of science, history of philosophy 1 point 19 hours ago

It seems that you have very little understanding of the character of either cognitive science or philosophy as a discipline---let alone the use of the specific terminology that you're applying here. I'm not sure where you got your misunderstandings from, but if you're interested in machine learning I would recommend the work of Kevin Kelly or Oliver Schulte. On probabilistic models of confirmation more broadly, the SEP page I linked in my original reply has a variety of sources. And on cognitive science, I'd suggest the work of Ned Block or Dan Dennett.
 
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Those claims had little to no basis in fact so far as I can tell, and I know quite a bit about the relevant areas of the discipline; nor do you bother to cite any articles that evidence your position. The only conclusion worth reaching is that you're a blowhard and you have no idea what you're talking about.


I have to agree with Mace on that.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2017,05:58   

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Speaking of answering questions:


So when are you going to start, Gaulin?

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2017,19:30   

Quote (ChemiCat @ July 22 2017,03:58)
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Speaking of answering questions:


So when are you going to start, Gaulin?

He's not going to start.  He's just going to speak of it.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2017,09:22   

Or maybe draw pictures...

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 29 2017,14:58   

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Speaking of answering questions:


"Answering" and "conversation" added to the Gaulin not-a-dictionary  as words Gaulin doesn't understand.

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2017,23:42   

Quote (ChemiCat @ July 29 2017,14:58)
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Speaking of answering questions:


"Answering" and "conversation" added to the Gaulin not-a-dictionary  as words Gaulin doesn't understand.

For the sake of completeness, better add "of".

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2017,19:51   

Camp recently demo'ed the ID Lab at the "HomeBrew Robotics Club" and posted it to the HBRC mailing list. There was a lot of interest...

https://photos.google.com/share......EM2bUZn

I need to get back to work.

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Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2017,11:36   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 04 2017,19:51)
Camp recently demo'ed the ID Lab at the "HomeBrew Robotics Club" and posted it to the HBRC mailing list. There was a lot of interest...

https://photos.google.com/share......EM2bUZn

I need to get back to work.

There was also a lot of interest in the explosion of the Hindenburg.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2017,12:22   



Looks like interest is through the roof. In 9 days there's been a massive 0 replies.

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 05 2017,13:23

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2017,14:16   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 05 2017,01:51)
Camp recently demo'ed the ID Lab at the "HomeBrew Robotics Club" and posted it to the HBRC mailing list. There was a lot of interest...

https://photos.google.com/share......EM2bUZn

I need to get back to work.

They were so interested they completely forgot to take any pictures of you or your ID 'lab'?

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,04:58   

Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,11:12   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 06 2017,04:58)
Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

I probably should have terminated the thread and your access when you said, "Your intellectual laziness very much shows.", but I suppose I have a weakness for allowing discussion.

And, by the way, re-read the rules on discussion of moderation here. It is a quick means to getting a permanent ban.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 06 2017,11:14

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,11:17   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 06 2017,02:58)
Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

Pseudo-flounce #17.

(btw that's the name of my next band.)

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,12:52   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 06 2017,04:58)
Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

Gaulin. If you actually believed that this forum wasn't worth participating in… why in Babbage's name would you still participate in this forum?

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,14:58   

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Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.


Mudslinging enters the Gaulin not-a-dictionary.

It isn't mudslinging, Gaulin, it is plain old-fashioned ridicule for your efforts to force your version of a god into science.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,15:00   

Quote (Cubist @ Aug. 06 2017,10:52)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 06 2017,04:58)
Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

Gaulin. If you actually believed that this forum wasn't worth participating in… why in Babbage's name would you still participate in this forum?

He posts here so he can brag on other blogs about how well his ideas are being received.  In other words, he's being ignored or laughed at, but hasn't been banned.

He posts on other blogs so he can brag here about how well his ideas are being received.  In other words, he's being ignored or laughed at, but hasn't been banned.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2017,21:13   

Quote (Cubist @ Aug. 06 2017,12:52)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 06 2017,04:58)
Mudslinging creeps have made it worth staying out of this forum.

Management is setting a very bad example by condoning it.

Gaulin. If you actually believed that this forum wasn't worth participating in… why in Babbage's name would you still participate in this forum?

Good question.

At a time like this I dread having to say anything in this forum. Patrick Getty just moved to Texas for an apparently very nice job as professor. Even pays a living wage. That is sure a good sign that not all that is right with academia is lost. He will still be teaching what he most likes and says he we will be back next summer for more tracksite related work, but I worry about that not going as planned. It's like with all things considered in the area of education Texas has much more need for someone like him than Connecticut or Massachusetts has. I have to hope the best for wherever his next challenge leads. There remains something that is still going well with Holyoke Community College so it's not like nothing is locally happening, at the academic level.

Instead of dwelling on need for "participation" in such a lively exchange of ideas as are found filling this thread I have been pleasantly been writing code. For those who wondered where I went I just finished emailing this preliminary technical update worth sharing:

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Camp, after over two weeks of trying different things ​I found a relatively easy way to get a ~98% average confidence level controlling a 4 speed Left/Right motor ramp where each increment doubles speed, without springing back and forth while following the spatial networks sometimes jittery direction vector. It has enough of a turn angle to build up momentum that takes almost half a turn to stop. But after a short time it still manages just fine.

I'm used to an ~75% confidence level. Past that usually indicates it's ready to get stuck at 100% by doing something that feels good but does not get it anywhere, sort of like a case of OCD. This time the high readings are because it's making all the right moves to become a very athletic dancer.

Memory required including in RAM addressing both before and after (two or three bit each) Speed and heading Error readings. Even tough the system can only think from one timecycle to the next this causes memory to temporally connect together (plan out) and smooth out the required time dependent actions.

It is possible to eliminate the time consuming challenges of the David Heiserman way of doing things by having the spatial network directly supply the Left/Right error correction signal. But without a body and enough mind to on its own figure out the muscle coordination details it's a poor representation of the real-world biology and physics. What made it hard to get it to reliably control logarithmic motion made it easy to develop spatial network behavior. There are now interconnection maps galore but how neurons are physically wired together has mostly lead to even more puzzling questions. Thankfully though the Heiserman way of modeling behavior made it easy for me to focus on possibilities such as cellular level brain wave generated vector maps where each place has the real-world properties of what is mapped there.

The only complication is that getting to 98% confidence takes 16 or so bits of memory space. For all it can do this is not all that much RAM. Unfortunately there is also a Forward/Reverse to same way control and my PC runs out of memory after reaching 28 bits. It's possible to take a few bits out of addressing without causing too much loss of performance, but I want 100% and can easily enough achieve that by making each a separate subsystem. Learning rate would also then be far greater, which more matters when controlling logarithmic motion.

In the past I experimented with connecting systems together with two way feedback, where it more or less figures out what to use the communication line for. I do not see there being a need for fancy crosstalk right now but it's another one of those things that makes modeling this way worth the occasional challenges.

Let me know whether what I'm coding has already been figured out and I just don't know where to look, or something. I'll otherwise keep working on what I described above then email you the resulting code so that you can see how bare-bones simple it is. There are no "2^LfRtErrWhatever" or other mathy calculations. At most multiplication and division, like to convert error in degrees to an index for an array that has the same log curve as the motor ramp array. This quickly finds the 0 to 3 number corresponding to that amount of error distance, and avoids equations that even puzzle me a year after coding them.  

Gary


This latest marathon project all started with my wife enjoying watching and critiquing the experimental ID Lab videos. After I had the automated recording code working real nice she then needed me to give the critter logarithmic left/right turning motion, as it somewhat had for forward/reverse. This forced me to give the software another good going over.

Now that Camp demonstrated the program for me where he lives out in California my starting work on what the robot builders most need right now was very timely. My finally finding an easy way to sort out a coding nightmare in the last ID Lab is another big worry now gone. Therefore instead of my wasting time arguing with Wesley I need to get back to work on biologically relevant dancing robots and related things.

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,03:48   

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Therefore instead of my wasting time arguing with Wesley I need to get back to work on biologically relevant dancing robots and related things.


So, Gaulin, does this mean that your not-a-theory has been sent to the wasted electron bin?

And really, really? Dancing robots are biologically relevant? Your insanity is showing. What do they do, shag in the car park behind the disco?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,09:58   

Wasted electrons? Aren't those reusable?

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,11:13   

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Wasted electrons? Aren't those reusable?


Change that to recycle bin, is that better?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,12:24   

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Wasted electrons? Aren't those reusable?


Change that to recycle bin, is that better?

Makes as much sense as what I said. :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,12:26   

been pleasantly been writing code

There is not much pleasant about writing code.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,14:14   

Quote (khan @ Aug. 07 2017,11:26)
been pleasantly been writing code

There is not much pleasant about writing code.

Really? If I didn't get paid to write code, I'd have to work for a living...

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2017,21:49   

www.inverse.com/article/34269-brainwaves-mystery-neuroscience-eeg-neurons
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But as much as brainwaves loom in our understanding of the brain, not a single scientist has any idea where they come from.

At least one researcher, Michael X. Cohen, Ph.D., an assistant professor at the Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition, and Behavior in the Netherlands, thinks it’s time to fix that. In an April op-ed in the journal Trends in Neurosciences, Cohen argued that the time has come for researchers to figure out what those brainwaves they’ve been recording for decades are really all about.

“This is maybe the most important question for neuroscience right now,” he said to Inverse, but he added that it will be a challenge to convince his colleagues that it matters at all.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,02:33   

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“This is maybe the most important question for neuroscience right now,” he said to Inverse, but he added that it will be a challenge to convince his colleagues that it matters at all.


And is entirely irrelevant to your pseudoscience, Gaulin.

Your BS comes nowhere near close to being an explanation of brainwaves. Your Pacman animation does nothing for cognitive science or computer gaming.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,20:10   

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“This is maybe the most important question for neuroscience right now,” he said to Inverse, but he added that it will be a challenge to convince his colleagues that it matters at all.


And is entirely irrelevant to your pseudoscience, Gaulin.

Your BS comes nowhere near close to being an explanation of brainwaves. Your Pacman animation does nothing for cognitive science or computer gaming.

Or the Theory of Evolution, or anything else in biology, or even "Intelligent Design".

It may contribute something to robot navigation systems (or not - not my field), but that's an entirely different matter from all your assertions.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,22:31   

Some very seriously have a political related agenda that requires the truth of this matter to be "sweep under the rug". If it's not those who were led to believe that their thoughts are at least in part divine magic that cannot be scientifically modeled or explained, it's possibly hidebound academics who did the same thing to (just a student at the time) Galileo after he pissed them off by stealing the show with his spiffy pendulum.

On the bright side my keeping no (industrial or military) secrets is perhaps a new one for Asian and other global competitors who normally have to find a way to kinda steal them. Data mining related "deep learning" certainly never led to a brain-wave generating breakthrough that would be this scary agile in battle. I worry about the danger this can become, but where the information that enables it did not come from me I would have to worry even more.

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