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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:12   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 17 2008,13:07)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 17 2008,12:01)
I even found a picture from the event:

Looks like Dembski's really let himself go...

At least he ditched the sweater.

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Leftfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:15   

More from the publisher's newsletter:
   
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Working with specialists in Canada and India, our web site for the book features a blog that now averages 221 visitors a day, and climbing - not bad for a young blog!


Maybe that explains DO'L's prose stylings: her exquisite work is all edited by "specialists" in India before being loosed on the world! :p

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:43   

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Working with specialists in Canada and India, our web site for the book features a blog that now averages 221 visitors a day, and climbing - not bad for a young blog!


Maybe that explains DO'L's prose stylings: her exquisite work is all edited by "specialists" in India before being loosed on the world! :p

JanieBelle gets that many hits a day just from Google searches for "literotica".

Various permutations of "Emma Watson Naked" also usually generate that many.

She could go two weeks without posting a thing and get more hits than the D'oL blog.

Perhaps that's not a fair comparison, though.


How 'bout this instead?

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Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. -carlsonjok -deprecated
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:46   

Quote (Leftfield @ Mar. 17 2008,12:15)
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Working with specialists in Canada and India, our web site for the book features a blog that now averages 221 visitors a day, and climbing - not bad for a young blog!


Maybe that explains DO'L's prose stylings: her exquisite work is all edited by "specialists" in India before being loosed on the world! :p

Holy Denyse's Diction !

I followed your link, and right after they beg for money because they need it to do God's Work, they are still selling Of Pandas & People... For $29.95!!!!!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:48   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 17 2008,12:43)
Quote (Leftfield @ Mar. 17 2008,13:15)
More from the publisher's newsletter:
     
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Working with specialists in Canada and India, our web site for the book features a blog that now averages 221 visitors a day, and climbing - not bad for a young blog!


Maybe that explains DO'L's prose stylings: her exquisite work is all edited by "specialists" in India before being loosed on the world! :p

JanieBelle gets that many hits a day just from Google searches for "literotica".

Various permutations of "Emma Watson Naked" also usually generate that many.

She could go two weeks without posting a thing and get more hits than the D'oL blog.

Perhaps that's not a fair comparison, though.


How 'bout this instead?

Another Holy Denyse's Diction... You are kicking the Morphodyke's Ugly Buttocks 5,285 to 8!!!!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,13:18   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 17 2008,12:43)
How 'bout this instead?

Or this?

Dave for Teh Win!!!onetyone!!!!

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,09:06   

O'Leary comes out and admits that DOL is a creationist propaganda tool!
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Actually, Darwinism's utter failures fuel creationism, as The Design of Life handily details. But that's a point for a less frenzied moment than the present one.

LINK
I guess a bit of honestly was overdue from that lot...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,18:44   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 17 2008,13:18)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 17 2008,12:43)
How 'bout this instead?

Or this?

Dave for Teh Win!!!onetyone!!!!

WOW!  14,000 to 8???!!!????  Dave over Denyse???

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,03:07   

The DOL blog is still going strong with such ID related news as

Cambrian food webs similar to webs observed today

Genome mapping: Platypus genome a patchwork, like the animal itself

Fossil fish find reveals that live birth is ancient, not modern

Brain: Octopus develops advanced brain, but what does the brain do?


and finally

Science and media: Can DNA Analysis Uncover a Mummy’s Ancestry?

I actually read most of that last post and I simply can't see what the relevance is to ID. Of course I understand this is O'Leary and "relevance" means something different to her then everybody else but this one snippet struck me as very relevant
     
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But, other scientists warn, that these results must be replicated by independent research teams in separate laboratories before the results can be confirmed. Peer review is also essential to giving the team’s work credibility. Otherwise, this work will remain more celebrated in the media than in the scientific community.


It's nice to see even DoL getting it right occasionally. So I look forwards to DoL repeating this over at UD.

Tard

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,14:18   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 17 2008,19:18)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 17 2008,12:43)
How 'bout this instead?

Or this?

Dave for Teh Win!!!onetyone!!!!

This made me damn near spill my wine

And no, it's not a euphemism.

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Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,16:25   

I don't understand why DoL only gets 8 hits rather than the ~60k on a google search. What's the filter?

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,12:35   

The Design Of Life Update - Because it is all about Teh Science::

Long, long ago, The Designer [ s] created [/s] front-loaded a God-Loving puppet that signed up to be on the Foundation of Thought and Ethics mailing list.  And since my puppet and I thought that you might all enjoy their most recent lies and truth-stretching, I am including their latest combination Plea For Money and Research Lie To The Rubes Plan - Design Of Life.

So take a break from all that Church Burnin' and Teh War On Christmas and Christians, and settle down now, on a long winter's day for The December Issue From FTE!


Dear Friend of the Foundation,

In spite of the widespread economic downturn, a wonderful opportunity to continue expanding our outreach has come to FTE. Please give me just 15 minutes to consider together first, what great things are going to happen in 2009, and then, this very strategic opportunity.

Open Doors
FTE's books are 1) generating interest and winning acclaim from more and more influential and strategic people, and 2) with the support of new technologies, they are entering many new markets and reaching more readers, including numbers of students. Professional groups that we are working with now or that are currently reviewing our books with that purpose in mind include The Heritage Foundation, The Intercollegiate Studies Institute, The Discovery Institute, Amazon.com, The C.S. Lewis Society, The Conference on Faith and History, Faculty Commons, Google Book Search, and others.

But the biggest doorway is that opened by scientific work that affirms intelligent design. Quietly and largely unnoticed, we have entered a new era in this century–a major era. On the 10th anniversary of his best-selling book, Darwin's Black Box, Prof. Michael Behe acknowledged the heated rhetoric wars that had arisen between Darwinism and intelligent design. Then he added something profound: he said he knows that in the end, science, not politics will settle this dispute. Now, we are not predicting a settlement in just a year or two, but still you can see today how this is going to come about.
An Example? Some Amazing Things Happened in 2008
Historical, even revolutionary things . . . in science. In a section of The Design of Life titled "How Many Genes Must Change?" the authors discuss these questions: What is the minimal number of mutations required to form a new structure in a species? and How likely is it that that many mutations could occur in a single organism and actually produce the new structure? (The authors were considering earlier work by British biologist E. J. Ambrose, who said a minimum of five mutations would be needed.) With due caution and generous concessions to Darwinism's creative capacity, Dembski and Wells demonstrate that the probability of some favorable new structure arising in a population is nil. But the Darwinists yawned. This is dismissed as speculation. There remained a need for clear research to determine if evolution could deliver the estimated five mutations needed for an organism to produce the new structure.

That was then, and this is now. In fact, experimental research has been underway throughout most of this decade, long enough for us to get a very satisfying glimpse of where this is going. Dare I say it? Earth-shattering breakthroughs are on their way. Future science textbooks will one day open new chapters recounting this landmark progress. A prime example is the research that has been conducted since 2005 by Ralph Seelke, Prof. of Biology at the Univ. of Wisconsin - Superior. Dr. Seelke's research is looking for an answer from the much studied tiny organism, Escherichia coli. Specifically, he is researching the question, when just two mutations are needed to produce a new, functioning structure – one that would give an organism survival advantage – can E. coli do that? So far, his answer has been a very solid "NO!"

His research makes Dr. Seelke an ideally qualified scientist to carefully review the way DoL's authors handled the Ambrose "minimal gene mutations" question. Here, then, are a few of Prof. Seelke's comments: "I got a chance to read Dembski's discussion of Ambrose's work, and it's a good analysis of the problems with forming a new structure."
I can't say that we actually know what's involved in forming a new structure, but five [genes] would be a minimum estimate. Ambrose's discussion also assumes that you have five genes that are already close–very close–to being what you need for that structure. He then gives very generous probabilities for a useful change to occur. However, the results are again a dismally low probability.

The normal case is that, if you inactivate a gene in these organisms, there's nothing in the 4.6 million bases of the E. coli genome . . .that will substitute for that inactivated gene. That's certainly been the case in my studies. For over 7,000 generations, and hundreds of billions of cells, my E. coli have sought in vain for a protein that will substitute for the one that I inactivated. It simply doesn't happen.
Much more research should and will follow. But we've crossed a continental divide, folks. The biochemical research open to this question is well underway, and so far, Darwinism has fallen flat on its face on the laboratory floor.

In the latest advance in the continuing stream of technologies brought to the task of marketing DoL, FTE has become a Google Book Search Partner, meaning anyone anywhere on the worldwide web can go online and, when searching on a phrase anywhere in the book, DoL will come up in the listings, with a picture of the book and a link to our web site where it can be ordered.

Despite so many encouragements, FTE has a very serious financial situation. We must raise $100,000. In addition to the $50,000 we need to give all our books strong backing in their various markets as we enter the new year, we need to pay at least $35,000 of debt, and, after that, as much back salary as possible.

Multiplication: FTE's Strategic Opportunity! As we said in our last letter, a group of FTE's faithful partners have come forward and are offering all our other partners a 1:1 match of whatever you contribute to FTE between now and January 15! We are extremely grateful to these friends, and with them, appeal to you now to give to the work of FTE for the exciting year ahead. The total of the matching funds is $35,000. So every dollar of the first $35,000 to come in will be matched. That's $70,000 of the $100,000 we need.

Please prayerfully consider what you can do to help. We are at a fork in the road, and we must not let this wonderful opportunity slip by!

As our way of saying thank you for contributions of $50.00 or more, we are happy to provide a copy of Dembski and Wells' How to Be An Intellectually Fulfilled Atheist–or Not (endorsed by the producers of the documentary EXPELLED).

Sincerely,

Jon Buell
President

P.S. We realize that most people will want their contribution to count for and be receipted in 2008. However, there may be some who prefer to date their check January, 2009 and have it deposited in 2009. We can do either, and will carry out your exact wishes.


I love the Sciencey line about "prayerfully consider" sending all the money you can.  Nice touch Buell!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,12:45   

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I can't say that we actually know what's involved in forming a new structure, but five [genes] would be a minimum estimate.
:p

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:01   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 29 2008,12:45)
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I can't say that we actually know what's involved in forming a new structure, but five [genes] would be a minimum estimate.
:p

Yeah.... well, I guess we'll all just be on the edge of our seats waiting for the many ID Scientists finish all their lab experiments.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:06   

Seelke
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just two mutations are needed to produce a new, functioning structure


and Behe thought how many were required for the creation of chloroquinone resistance? So why are they pushing this "five mutations"position? Bueller? Anyone?

Seelke can now educate the rest of the ID community that evolution does move towards a particular target (recreating the protein he inactivated), but towards any improvement available. No gradient = stasis.

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I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:08   

does not move

Dang.

i can haz edibuddon?

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I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:30   

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Seelke can now educate the rest of the ID community that evolution does not move towards a particular target (recreating the protein he inactivated), but towards any improvement available. No gradient = stasis.


That does seem to be the point of understanding toward which ID cannot evolve. ;)

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Art



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:48   

Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 29 2008,12:35)
The Design Of Life Update - Because it is all about Teh Science::

....

His research makes Dr. Seelke an ideally qualified scientist to carefully review the way DoL's authors handled the Ambrose "minimal gene mutations" question. Here, then, are a few of Prof. Seelke's comments: "I got a chance to read Dembski's discussion of Ambrose's work, and it's a good analysis of the problems with forming a new structure."

Hmmm...  that wouldn't be the same Dembski who, in NFL, implied that females are evolutionary dead-ends, would it?

Dembski would almost certainly consider  the transition in plants from annual to perennial to be irrelevant as well.

   
Gunthernacus



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,15:43   

Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 29 2008,13:35)
The Design Of Life Update - Because it is all about Teh Science:

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That was then, and this is now. In fact, experimental research has been underway throughout most of this decade, long enough for us to get a very satisfying glimpse of where this is going. Dare I say it? Earth-shattering breakthroughs are on their way. Future science textbooks will one day open new chapters recounting this landmark progress.

Dare I say it?  WaterlooooOooOooooOoos...on their way...one day...

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,15:52   

Quote (Gunthernacus @ Dec. 29 2008,15:43)
Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 29 2008,13:35)
The Design Of Life Update - Because it is all about Teh Science:

...

That was then, and this is now. In fact, experimental research has been underway throughout most of this decade, long enough for us to get a very satisfying glimpse of where this is going. Dare I say it? Earth-shattering breakthroughs are on their way. Future science textbooks will one day open new chapters recounting this landmark progress.

Dare I say it?  WaterlooooOooOooooOoos...on their way...one day...

Well, you have to at least give them credit for making A Testable ID Prediction - Earth-shattering breakthroughs are on their way. Way to go out on a limb sport!   I give it a 100% on the vagueness scale.  

At least Dembski gave a time-frame of 10 years (I think it's down to 8 now) before ID supplants Darwin.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,20:35   

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Then he added something profound: he said he knows that in the end, science, not politics will settle this dispute.

so, it's not settled... but they totally now which way it's going to come out!!!

  
Marion Delgado



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2009,19:18   

Until JAD gets the credit he's due, I won't believe this "teach both sides" nonsense.

Why do you think they kept time cameras off the market? No one really wants the truth.

  
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