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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2007,10:15   

Quote (MrsPeng @ Dec. 19 2007,23:18)
So when do you guys who do the actual work of figuring things out, you know, the actual science, get to tell the cdesign proponentists to have a big warm glass of shut the hell up? How many more times do they get to be completely wrong before they have to depart a lot and let the real scientists get back to work?

At the current rate of progress, I estimate another 200 years.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2007,18:26   

Quote (MrsPeng @ Dec. 20 2007,00:18)
So when do you guys who do the actual work of figuring things out, you know, the actual science, get to tell the cdesign proponentists to have a big warm glass of shut the hell up? How many more times do they get to be completely wrong before they have to depart a lot and let the real scientists get back to work?

Real scientists never stopped working. ID consists of a few morons echoing each other on websites, selling each other POS books, and making noise at the occasional school board meeting.  They don't do any science or interfere much with scientists who do. They sit around and complain about the powers that be, and dream of the revolution, but the revolution never comes.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,14:55   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 24 2007,18:26)
Quote (MrsPeng @ Dec. 20 2007,00:18)
So when do you guys who do the actual work of figuring things out, you know, the actual science, get to tell the cdesign proponentists to have a big warm glass of shut the hell up? How many more times do they get to be completely wrong before they have to depart a lot and let the real scientists get back to work?

Real scientists never stopped working. ID consists of a few morons echoing each other on websites, selling each other POS books, making noise at the occasional school board meeting, and making farty videos.  They don't do any science or interfere much with scientists who do. They sit around and complain about the powers that be, and dream of the revolution, but the revolution never comes.

Post fixed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,06:23   

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #10,261

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,06:18   

Comments have been open for a while now
http://www.thedesignoflife.net/blog/
and there are 0 comments!

Nice way to go O'Leary!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,06:55   

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,07:04   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 05 2008,06:55)
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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #15,446 in Books

I wonder what that represents in terms of sales? A couple a week?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,13:02   

I think I understand why there aren't any comments over at The Design of Life blog. I am looking at the blog FAQ.  I found this of interest (emphasis added).
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Q3. How can I add comments to a post?

A3. To add comments to a post, you must be registered on the site. If you are already a member, please log in to your account. Otherwise, click here to register. Click on the ‘Add Comment’ link for the post. You will be prompted to log in to the site, if you are not already logged in.
Note: By default, on registration, a user becomes a One Time Commenter. In this role, a user may comment ONE TIME on a post that already has AT LEAST one comment. In other words, a ‘One Time Commenter’ does not have permission to start a thread.

So, basically, they have set up their comment policy so that no one can comment unless DO'L puts in the first comment on her own post.  How can we expect these guys to reliably detect design when they are completely incapable of designing anything themselves?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,13:16   

Mebbe they designed it that way on porpoise?  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,13:19   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 11 2008,13:02)
I think I understand why there aren't any comments over at The Design of Life blog. I am looking at the blog FAQ.  I found this of interest (emphasis added).
 
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Q3. How can I add comments to a post?

A3. To add comments to a post, you must be registered on the site. If you are already a member, please log in to your account. Otherwise, click here to register. Click on the ‘Add Comment’ link for the post. You will be prompted to log in to the site, if you are not already logged in.
Note: By default, on registration, a user becomes a One Time Commenter. In this role, a user may comment ONE TIME on a post that already has AT LEAST one comment. In other words, a ‘One Time Commenter’ does not have permission to start a thread.

So, basically, they have set up their comment policy so that no one can comment unless DO'L puts in the first comment on her own post.  How can we expect these guys to reliably detect design when they are completely incapable of designing anything themselves?

Ha!  That's beautiful!  I remember reading that, shaking my head cuz it didn't make sense, but just put it all on Denyse's usual inimitable writing "style" .  I  feel so ashamed that I didn't give it the pathetic level of detail that it deserved.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,03:09   

Henrietta Lacks lives again!
http://www.thedesignoflife.net/blog....lt.aspx
She's commenting on the design of life blog.
That means that anybody can comment on the threads that have comments already (what a dumb system)
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I notice that you printed a taxonomy of cow-like kinds in a nested heirarchy, which implies that you accept the darwinist dogma of common descent. I'm not sure if this was intended to communicate what you think or merely an illustration of what some scientists thing.

Some scientists thing? :) :p

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,04:05   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 24 2007,18:26)
They don't do any science or interfere much with scientists who do.

I dunno, I think some of those farty noise videos might have just managed to get to me!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,10:29   

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I notice that you printed a taxonomy of cow-like kinds in a nested heirarchy,


Where's the beef? :p

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I dunno, I think some of those farty noise videos might have just managed to get to me!


America needs the gas!

:O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,11:21   

Has anyone else noticed that no one seems to be paying attention to this newer version of Pandas and People?  No reviews anywhere except in the IDiot world.

Could it be no one gives a shit about dembski anymore?  This must be having a drastic effect on his persecution complex.  How can he drive book sales unless he can play the persecution card?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,11:22   

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I think you need to be clear about what point you are trying to make; Is it that darwinists predict that species can never hybridize (if so you should show references) or that the fact that species can hybridize means that the darwinists have an incorrect notion of what constitutes a species.


heheheheh. Creationists using references. That's a good one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,11:27   

Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 30 2008,11:22)
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I think you need to be clear about what point you are trying to make; Is it that darwinists predict that species can never hybridize (if so you should show references) or that the fact that species can hybridize means that the darwinists have an incorrect notion of what constitutes a species.


heheheheh. Creationists using references. That's a good one.

Hey!  They use references all the time!  Like, from Genesis, Leviticus, etc...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,12:07   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 30 2008,12:21)
Has anyone else noticed that no one seems to be paying attention to this newer version of Pandas and People?  No reviews anywhere except in the IDiot world.

Could it be no one gives a shit about dembski anymore?  This must be having a drastic effect on his persecution complex.  How can he drive book sales unless he can play the persecution card?

the design of life:

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #13,774 in Books


Nobody goes to Young Cosmos, nobody goes to ISCID Brainstorms, nobody picks up the phone at ISCID, the Discovery Institute's page of peer reviewed publications lists nothing - not even fake papers - from 2007, PCID hasn't been published since 2005...

That old song on He-Haw said "If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all..." Something like that applies to ID, with 'attention' subbed for 'luck'.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,12:25   

Where, Oh where, are you tonight
Why did you leave me here all alone
I've searched the world over and thought I found true love
But you found another and [insert Dembski skills here] I was gone.

by the way Sternbergius it's HEEHAW

kinda like YEEHAW

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,05:50   

O'Dreary gets defensive about the number of hits on the DOL site.
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Total 13,343
Average Per Day 221
Average Visit Length 2:55
Last Hour 35
Today 762
This Week 1,550

Wow.

She also reminds us how well the book is doing
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#1 in Books > Science > Biological Sciences > Biology > Developmental Biology
#1 in Books > Professional & Technical > Professional Science > Biological Sciences > Biology > Developmental Biology
#3 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


2:55 average site visit duration? I think a decimal place has been moved...

And Creationism? Somebody re-read the memo to O'Dreary.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,06:30   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 20 2008,06:50)
O'Dreary gets defensive about the number of hits on the DOL site.
 
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Total 13,343
Average Per Day 221
Average Visit Length 2:55
Last Hour 35
Today 762
This Week 1,550

Wow.

She also reminds us how well the book is doing
 
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#1 in Books > Science > Biological Sciences > Biology > Developmental Biology
#1 in Books > Professional & Technical > Professional Science > Biological Sciences > Biology > Developmental Biology
#3 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


2:55 average site visit duration? I think a decimal place has been moved...

And Creationism? Somebody re-read the memo to O'Dreary.

The D'oL:

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #12,574 in Books


The Age of American Unreason,Susan Jacoby

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #10 in Books(See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)
#1 in Books > History > United States
#1 in Books > Nonfiction > Social Sciences > Communication > Media And Society
#1 in Books > Entertainment > Pop Culture > Popular Culture


Publisher's Weekly Review of Ms. Jacoby's book addresses the relevance here:

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...Jacoby passionately argues that the nation's current cult of unreason has deadly and destructive consequences (the war in Iraq, for one) and traces the seeds of current anti-intellectualism (and its partner in crime, antirationalism) back to post-WWII society. Unafraid of pointing fingers, she singles out mass media and the resurgence of fundamentalist religion as the primary vectors of anti-intellectualism, while also having harsh words for pseudoscientists.



Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body, by Neil Shubin

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #66 in Books(See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)
#1 in Books > Science > Evolution
#1 in Books > Science > Biological Sciences > Paleontology
#1 in Books > Professional & Technical > Professional Science > Evolution


The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #136 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)
#1 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Spirituality > Atheism
#2 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Philosophy


Letter to a Christian Nation (Vintage) (Paperback),by Sam Harris (a reprint, no less)

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #767 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)
#1 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Spirituality > Agnosticism
#3 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Religious Studies > Sociology
#4 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Religious Studies > Church & State


On the upside for D'oL:

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#2 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


It's climbed a place in the Creationism Intelligent Design market.

ETA: Hey D'oL, maybe D'oL would sell better if you put little Jack Chick cartoons inside.

If you put the "PYGMIES + DWARVES" one in there, I might even buy it.

Edited by Lou FCD on Feb. 20 2008,07:42

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,09:33   

Nice work Lou.  Since all of science seems to be ignoring the latest Pandas and People - Demsbki/Wells love child it's good to know the creationists are still paying attention to them.

I bet Dembski cries at night because no one is reviewing his latest book.  He needs negative reviews from the legit science world so he can drive more sales by portraying himself as a victim of darwinism and "big science".

I love it so!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2008,08:36   

DaveScot          
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I reviewed the reviews and gave a neutral number of stars so that my review would stand out. Evidently it worked the way I wanted it to.

O'Leary        
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However, a distribution where the vast majority of suddenly appearing reviews are either one star or five stars suggests a campaign in progress.

Where that appears to be the case, I would agree with Mohrhoff in ignoring all reviews that fall in those distributions because only a few will be normal reviews.

Trying to figure out which few are normal reviews is not a worthwhile use of one’s time.

My emphasis.
Seems to me O'Leary, like, wants to ignore all reviews at either end of the spectrum and also the ones that fall in the middle? Or, something, like?

O'Leary continues
       
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That, by the way, is the reason that the campaign against The Design of Life failed. The campaigners assumed that the whole world agrees with them and with their campaign. That doesn’t happen to be true. And it shouldn’t be.
There needs to be a serious discussion about the limits of Darwinism.

So the "campaign" against DOL failed? What campaign? And as far as a discussion about the limits of "Darwinism" goes, er, well, like, I thought Behe just published a book and we're in fact talking about a book here also? The "design of life" remember O'Leary? Or perhaps does O'Leary mean the sort of discussion that scientists have between themselves, you could say between peers? Something like that O'Leary? And in any case with O'Leary having 20 or 30 separate websites and blogs you'd think that any discussion about the limits of "Darwinism" would be happening right now, there's plenty of venues! It's not like, like, there is a lack of opportunity!

O'Leary and FTK have a lot in common I think. Just look at the "added value content" that O'Leary brings to science news:

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Notice the fantastic punctuation. I mean, I'm quite bad at it myself but...
Interesting that O'Leary fails to inform us how this new "mind reading" feat fits into her conception of the mind and brain. It's a pity that O'Leary leaves us guessing! Or not, like. Or perhaps "But you won;’t know what the person thinks of it is her considered refutation?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2008,13:56   

[quote=oldmanintheskydidntdoit,Mar. 11 2008,08:36]O'Leary continues
       
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That, by the way, is the reason that the campaign against The Design of Life failed. The ...

AH HA!  I have decoded Denyse!  

Under her NEW contract, she gets paid by the number of times she can use the word "campaign" in a single paragraph!

My evidence - from your link:  

"That, by the way, is the reason that the campaign against The Design of Life failed. The campaigners assumed that the whole world agrees with them and with their campaign. That doesn’t happen to be true. And it shouldn’t be."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2008,14:45   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 11 2008,11:56)
[quote=oldmanintheskydidntdoit,Mar. 11 2008,08:36]O'Leary continues
         
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That, by the way, is the reason that the campaign against The Design of Life failed. The ...

AH HA!  I have decoded Denyse!  

Under her NEW contract, she gets paid by the number of times she can use the word "campaign" in a single paragraph!

My evidence - from your link:  

"That, by the way, is the reason that the campaign against The Design of Life failed. The campaigners assumed that the whole world agrees with them and with their campaign. That doesn’t happen to be true. And it shouldn’t be."

Paid by whom?  The International Bad Prose Conspiracy?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2008,02:11   

Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 11 2008,12:45)

Paid by whom?  The International Bad Prose Conspiracy?

Otherwise known as the Illiterati conspiracy :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2008,21:52   

A prose by any other name...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,10:48   

I heard a rumor that someone else bought this book not long ago.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,11:23   

Uh-oh.

 
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#4 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


Sales seem to be slipping.

And what's #1 in Creationism, you ask?

 
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#1 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


Science, Evolution, and Creationism, by the National Academy of Sciences.

Shermer's Why Darwin Matters: The Case Against Intelligent Design sits at number 2, and A Call to Sanity (with which I am not familiar) by Jason Scott Yeldell is at number 3.

D'oL D'oh!  That has to sting.

ETA:  On the upside for D'oL and DO'L, they're beating that other con-artist Sylvia Browne, who checks in at number 5.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:01   

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Uh-oh.

       
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#4 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Creationism


Sales seem to be slipping.

Not according to the publisher.

Here is the breakdown, if you don't want to read the whole newsletter:

- Sales are great! We've sold 1200 books!  
- Our run of 10,000 books will run out in less than 2 years!
- We're one of the top developmental biology books on Amazon!
- Shhhh. Be vewy, vewy quiet. We don't want to call people's attention to the fact that it is the op-tay ook-bay in eationism-Cray.
- Readers love the book!
- The Darwinists hate the book and are trying to destroy it!
- We need your help to defeat the Darwinists!  Okay, we don't actually need your help, we really just need your money. Send it to us!

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Bill Dembski spoke on intelligent design to roughly 200 people at a venue just off Times Square in New York City following a private screening of the movie, "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed.". The book sold well at the event, which was sponsored by King's College.

I even found a picture from the event:


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,12:07   

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I even found a picture from the event:

Looks like Dembski's really let himself go...

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