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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,02:13   

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Some very seriously have a political related agenda that requires the truth of this matter to be "sweep under the rug". If it's not those who were led to believe that their thoughts are at least in part divine magic that cannot be scientifically modeled or explained, it's possibly hidebound academics who did the same thing to (just a student at the time) Galileo after he pissed them off by stealing the show with his spiffy pendulum.

On the bright side my keeping no (industrial or military) secrets is perhaps a new one for Asian and other global competitors who normally have to find a way to kinda steal them. Data mining related "deep learning" certainly never led to a brain-wave generating breakthrough that would be this scary agile in battle. I worry about the danger this can become, but where the information that enables it did not come from me I would have to worry even more.


Sorry, I'm not yet fluent in Gaulinese. Could you translate into English for me, thanks.

However, every time Gaulin posts I have to rewrite the Gaulin to English phrase book so I may be a while attaining fluency.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,05:18   

From what I can fathom Gary believes he is some kind of present-day Galileo who has developed something that could, if it fell into the wrong hands, be used to animate giant death robots.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,09:18   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Aug. 09 2017,00:13)
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Some very seriously have a political related agenda that requires the truth of this matter to be "sweep under the rug". If it's not those who were led to believe that their thoughts are at least in part divine magic that cannot be scientifically modeled or explained, it's possibly hidebound academics who did the same thing to (just a student at the time) Galileo after he pissed them off by stealing the show with his spiffy pendulum.

On the bright side my keeping no (industrial or military) secrets is perhaps a new one for Asian and other global competitors who normally have to find a way to kinda steal them. Data mining related "deep learning" certainly never led to a brain-wave generating breakthrough that would be this scary agile in battle. I worry about the danger this can become, but where the information that enables it did not come from me I would have to worry even more.


Sorry, I'm not yet fluent in Gaulinese. Could you translate into English for me, thanks.

However, every time Gaulin posts I have to rewrite the Gaulin to English phrase book so I may be a while attaining fluency.

The proper designation for competency in Gaulinese is flatulency.

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,12:48   

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The proper designation for competency in Gaulinese is flatulency.


Better lay off the beans, Gaulin.

Cowboys

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,16:16   

Eat beans. America needs the gas.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2017,01:03   

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Eat beans. America needs the gas.


Well you have a White House full of it for a start.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2017,20:07   

Well, yeah, there's that...

You'd think all that hot air would be an energy source, huh?

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,14:31   

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Eat beans. America needs the gas.


Well you have a White House full of it for a start.

The message currently is: Racial and religious hate groups (now including the Discovery Institute, UD and affiliates in Turkey) are very bad and dangerous people, but in a free country like this it is our responsibility to allow them to run our public schools and such.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,16:57   

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Eat beans. America needs the gas.


Well you have a White House full of it for a start.

The message currently is: Racial and religious hate groups (now including the Discovery Institute, UD and affiliates in Turkey) are very bad and dangerous people, but in a free country like this it is our responsibility to allow them to run our public schools and such.



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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2017,04:02   

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The message currently is: Racial and religious hate groups (now including the Discovery Institute, UD and affiliates in Turkey) are very bad and dangerous people, but in a free country like this it is our responsibility to allow them to run our public schools and such.


Am I reading this right? Gaulin wants the KKK, Far right Nazis and Turkey to run the schools in the USA? The Disco'tute, UD and Turkey are hate groups?

Or is this more stupidity from the clown of ID?

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2017,09:13   

evolutionnews.org/2017/08/curricula-on-intelligent-design-are-urgently-needed-and-here-they-are/

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2017,13:06   

So what, it's the Disco'tute's standard shtick.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2017,16:20   

In other important to mention news: after for so long seeing what the Trump administration has been allowing to be done to the fabric of this nation his dream team of business leaders all left him. They now have reasons to get out of this country before conditions further deteriorate.

This is the worst-case scenario for those who voted Republican on account of the promised economic miracles that were to have been performed. The White House's willingness to turn a blind eye to religious extremists who teach an alternative reality to what should be self-evident from fossil remains and traces made while alive has led to the US starting to go the way of Syria. There is no way a person like myself can compete with well funded money pits that only have to spew out insult-filled verbal attacks against those they for religious and/or racial reasons hate.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2017,01:05   

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So what, it's the Disco'tute's standard shtick.

And this just in: News at UD feels used by their Turkish counterparts? She seems to have been unaware of who they were actually helping:

uncommondescent.com/evolution/troubling-news-re-turkey-vs-darwinism/

By any race or religion the most horrific superiorism of them all only needed their earlier message about our having been specially created in present form. The microevolution part of the story mixed with their organization's scientific looking message that genetic change over time is bad just makes it seem morally justifiable to quickly as possible exterminate all those who do not look and believe like the supremacist group does.

I tried to warn that their ID message was inherently destined to lead to an epic catastrophe, wherever it takes hold. Only thing for sure is war over who was divinely created to rule the world and which out-group needs to be eliminated from the planet. But of course the think-tank warriors had to find out the hard way.

Figuratively speaking: now that the Turkish enemy of their enemy no longer needs them it's their turn to be beheaded. And their most successful friends here in the states (who still for now need them) mostly preferred (where industrial scale gas chambers and incinerators are not available) firing squads that fill mass graves. In either case it was a big mistake to brush off what I was trying to explain as though it's impossible for them to simply be reintroducing what the Nazi party long ago taught in their schools for science, which make it so easy for the religious masses to morally justify the genocide.

The only difference is back then it was more or less assumed that Charles Darwin's theory was in agreement with their favored race/religion way of thinking. These days it's more clear that he was not, but it's none the less easily possible to use misinformation to paint him and others as a fraud so that the Discovery Institute and their global associates can in good conscious justify following in the footsteps of Adolf Hitler, himself.

It sounded too crazy to be true, to even me at first, but actually is. Discovering this took weeks of scanning and reading his years of speeches, book(s), and what teachers were given to explain to students. This explains why Jews and others were pictured in cartoons as nonhuman apes, the "God with us" on Nazi uniform belt buckles, and so forth.

With so many having made WW2 a taboo topic what the DI is promoting seems like something new, when it's really not. The current need to first discredit Charles Darwin indicates that as I found out by finding only one mention of him by Hitler in a nice man sort of way that only goes along with perceptions from the book title alone, Nazi Germany was at the time a "creationism country" where special/divine creation was taught, not common ancestry as Charles Darwin explained. It was necessary to dismiss what he said. With so few even owning his book that can be taken different ways anyhow Hitler had an easy time doing so. Nazis clearly did not need Charles Darwin's theory, it totally disagreed with their state mandated science and supremacist religion. But they certainly needed what is now called "ID".

Hopefully this helps explain things to Barry and others, who are now caught up in very serious trouble that can even lead to their all being called before a congressional committee needing to know the historical details of this mysterious "scientific theory" their movement has been spreading throughout the world.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2017,04:00   

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There is no way a person like myself can compete with well funded money pits that only have to spew out insult-filled verbal attacks against those they for religious and/or racial reasons hate.

Yes, our monthly cheques from DarwinPAC are rather lavish. But Gary there's really no reason why you can't enjoy the fruit$ of academia.

Just bend the knee.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2017,13:48   

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With so many having made WW2 a taboo topic



   
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2017,00:48   

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With so many having made WW2 a taboo topic




Who knows? It's more Gaulinese but translated into Gibberish not English. (Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the Gibbers, I think the UD mob are fine people/s)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2017,10:52   

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With so many having made WW2 a taboo topic



You could have just asked for more info.


Due to outrage from those technically qualifying as religious supremacists who normally blame WW2 on Charles Darwin and Atheists the issue leads to classroom fighting, and as I discovered becoming no longer welcomed at forums like UD. Earlier in this thread I posted a message from a moderator at the Reddit Creationism forum who mentioned this in their reason for banning me.

In the US it is customary to "respect religion" including those that instill a sense of being above others and entitlement to favors in an afterlife where all else burn in hell or suffer other eternal torment anyway. It's not easy to show evidence that this mindset has led to entire countries with active churches galore morally justifying genocide. After the war it's one of those things that the people who went along with Hitler's madness did not want to talk about. And for reasons of political correctness it's hard to discuss in the US. Shifting the blame to Charles Darwin changes the subject away from why the average "God fearing" German citizen who did not even understand what his theory explained could morally justify the atrocities being carried out on their behalf.

In Russia the people seem to have mainly reacted to the "God With Us" war by no longer welcoming the otherwise seemingly harmless message in their country. I sense that after they saw the danger in what was being taught in churches around them too the average person living there could no longer "respect religion" anymore. With their lives being on the line and most places of worship instilling the feeling of being above others and pities their damned it makes sense that so much was made gone so fast in Russia, and with almost no regret afterwards for having done so.

I expect recent events to cause much the same to happen in the US but since the people are not in as much of a state of panic it should be to a lesser degree. The usually Taboo topic that qualifies so many is this country as a religious supremacist will become harder to ignore.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2017,11:08   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2017,11:42   

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I already have found plenty of the easy to find topical historical details.

Do you you wish to share reliable evidence from the period showing the root cause for the average "God fearing" German "creationist" churchgoer to see themselves as superior to all others and morally supported the killing of all people on this planet who are not?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2017,23:06   

Massachusetts to the rescue! Wow!!

www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-free-speech-rally-thousands-take-to-the-streets-in-rival-protests-live-updates/

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,07:48   

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There is no way a person like myself can compete with well funded money pits that only have to spew out insult-filled verbal attacks against those they for religious and/or racial reasons hate.

Yes, our monthly cheques from DarwinPAC are rather lavish. But Gary there's really no reason why you can't enjoy the fruit$ of academia.

Just bend the knee.

Honestly Woodbine, I do not see it that way, at all. For example: the Templeton Foundation long ago indicated to me that they also only fund academic looking justification for their feelings of religious supremacy, not the basic scientific work needing to be done before knowledgeably talking about such things as "creativity". The best they could do in the past was tell me that I could though go help talk about God at BioLogos. There was of course no problem with their funding the launching of William Dembski's ID career, but after no longer accepting anything even related to ID the mess was formally left for myself and others who get to suffer along with me to deal with on our own.

The months of lost time there and elsewhere running in circles getting nowhere just helps show why we the people are now in this very bad situation. As a result the Templeton Foundation long ago (figuratively speaking) chose to line up behind the Discovery Institute to have their heads roll too. I therefore still have no plans to bow down to anyone. With all considered I must expect the opposite from those who have been claiming to be of service to science, then after all was said and done proved to have really only been serving the needs of their superiority complexes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,08:13   

You can of course do whatever you want - it's a free country.  However, you can't do something that is not science, claim that it is science, and then whine about not being respected by / funded by the scientific community.

The fact that you can't get recognition from either the religious side or the science side should indicate to you that you are doing things all wrong, as pretty much everyone has been telling you for as long as you've been on the internet.

Your stuff suffers from 1) being largely incomprehensible, 2) that which is comprehensible is largely factually wrong, and 3) even if what was wrong was actually right, your claims wouldn't follow from anything you present, and 4) what you present is not germane to much of anything, other than Neato-type robot navigation.

Your time would be better spent looking after your family.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,08:32   

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 20 2017,09:13)
Your stuff suffers from 1) being largely incomprehensible, 2) that which is comprehensible is largely factually wrong, and 3) even if what was wrong was actually right, your claims wouldn't follow from anything you present, and 4) what you present is not germane to much of anything, other than Neato-type robot navigation.

Your time would be better spent looking after your family.

You should have seen his Aug. 19 2017,12:42 post originally. He deleted like 3 paragraphs of complete gibberish.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,16:44   

Hopefully everyone already knows why the above two replies have to be false. For starters: if I were able to edit typos then I certainly would not have left a (excitement caused) double "you" typo.

Barry Arrington was though kind enough to truthfully explain what the "scientific theory" they are trying to force into the public schools to teach as "science" is really all about:

 
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When the necessary being created contingent nature, it was a completely supernatural event. You can call that magic if you want and I won’t argue with you. The difference does not lie in whether magic was involved. The difference lies in the nature of the magic invoked.

uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/on-the-magical-thinking-inherent-in-the-new-atheism/#comment-638027

It's unfortunate that Barry was born too late to live his dream:

 
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Life comes from God and returns to God. All life and all races follow God’s ordinances. No people and no race can ignore them. We want the German youth to again recognize the religious nature of life. They must realize that God wants the individual as well as the whole people, and that they lose contact with life when they lose contact with God! God and nation are the two foundations of the life of the individual and the community. We want no shallow and superficial piety, but rather a deep faith that God guides the world, that he controls it, and a consciousness of the relationship between God and each individual, and between God and the live of the people and the fatherland. The National Socialist state will promote such a deeply religious educational system. We want parents to support and strengthen this by honesty and by good example.

Race, military training, leadership, religion! These are the four unshakable foundations of the new German National Socialist education!

research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/frau01.htm

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,16:52   

I was confused. The three paragraphs of gibberish were in the Aug. 19 2017,11:52 post. They're still there. Mibad.

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 20 2017,17:52

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2017,19:19   

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I was confused. The three paragraphs of gibberish were in the Aug. 19 2017,11:52 post. They're still there. Mibad.

Well thanks for being honest. It's just as well everyone knows that everything I posted in this thread is (thanks to scribe Wesley) still here, except of course the forewarning picture you removed due to it being so nightmarishly disturbing. Synchronicity with what's to come is easy when history is only repeating itself again.

Barry certainly is good at stringing words together into sentences. For example this philosophically poetic statement:

The difference does not lie in whether magic was involved. The difference lies in the nature of the magic invoked.

It makes just as much sense (or more) when the conditional logic is swapped around and should then make no sense at all:

The difference does not lie in whether magic was invoked. The difference lies in the nature of the magic involved.

Philosophy seems to be working very well, for his needs. It reminds of the equally mesmerizing "The Cross of Christ and the Swastika".

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2017,18:34   

In last night's presidential address Donald Trump did at least in my opinion manage to deliver an impressive strategy for the war(s) in the Afghan region. His preceding mention of racial bigotry not belonging in this country was also very nice. But mention of a pillar and nationalism related fragments I recalled from the WW2 propaganda made me wonder whether the rumor that he slept with a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed are actually true. Since the speech was not taken to extremes it's something I'm more amused by than (at least yet) worried over.

What I (no surprise) found missing is mention of home-grown religious supremacism that helps enable other less ideological supremacist groups:    

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MG: Right. And I think what surprised me most was that the ideological side of it was not directly invested in the violent wing of the movement. The idea at the time was that the ideological side of the movement was in favor of the violence but was just trying not to go to jail, so they kept it at an arm’s distance. I’m sure this was true in some cases but, on the whole, they were opposed to violence because they thought violence would be harmful to their ability to proselytize. They thought that the value of their ideas would win out.

www.thecipherbrief.com/the-link-between-white-supremacists-and-islamic-terrorism

ID literature contains the usual message of being victimized, even though in this case the only thing others rightfully expect from them is a theory that is actually scientific, in which case will have a testable model to experiment with at least the basics of what makes living things intelligent. It's like watching a fishing derby turn into a bloody riot against the judges because their lead filled wooden fish was disqualified, for not being a real fish. The public schools are not supposed to be turned into a platform for suckering even more people into a religiously motivated bait and switch scam.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2017,03:31   

Additional evidence that the ID/creationism organizations are still getting away with criminal scientific fraud:

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/study-knowing-more-doesnt-change-disbeliefs-about-science

The problem is now a priority for AI researchers:

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/automatic-detection-of-fake-news

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2017,18:20   

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y258055
 
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I note, morality is pivotal, indeed take out something objective behind conscience and the voice that urges to truth and right in reasoning, speaking and acting is in effect assigned delusional status


I wonder if Gaulin would be good enough to translate this for us.

In my opinion: KF is saying that it is immoral to not obey those who act upon what the "voice of God" they hear tells them to do, and is angry because scientific evidence only indicates that auditory hallucinations are the most common type of hallucination in people with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia.

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