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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,18:53   

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kenneth hughAugust 8, 2017 at 3:29 pm

News: What have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: well, they did end slavery.

News: well, of course. But other than ending slavery, what have they ever done for us?

Peasant: They got government to declare that women were persons and granted them the vote.

News: OK. But other than ending slavery and the vote for women, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: They did end child labour.

Peasant #2: And they did end debtor’s prison.

Peasant #3: And they pushed for laws that would penalize employers for unsafe work conditions.

News: Well, that all goes without saying. But other than ending slavery, giving women the vote, ending child labour, got rid of debtor’s prison and were responsible for safe working conditions. But other than this, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: Don’t forget about health care and employment insurance.

Peasant #2: Yah. Do you remember what it was like when your child used to die of a simple infection because you couldn’t afford to go to a doctor?

Peasant: And we can’t forget about.. .

News: meeting ajourned.


Linky poo

I am shocked, SHOCKED! that that reply is not visible on the link provided.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,19:13   

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kenneth hughAugust 8, 2017 at 3:29 pm

News: What have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: well, they did end slavery.

News: well, of course. But other than ending slavery, what have they ever done for us?

Peasant: They got government to declare that women were persons and granted them the vote.

News: OK. But other than ending slavery and the vote for women, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: They did end child labour.

Peasant #2: And they did end debtor’s prison.

Peasant #3: And they pushed for laws that would penalize employers for unsafe work conditions.

News: Well, that all goes without saying. But other than ending slavery, giving women the vote, ending child labour, got rid of debtor’s prison and were responsible for safe working conditions. But other than this, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: Don’t forget about health care and employment insurance.

Peasant #2: Yah. Do you remember what it was like when your child used to die of a simple infection because you couldn’t afford to go to a doctor?

Peasant: And we can’t forget about.. .

News: meeting ajourned.


Linky poo

That comment is not on that page.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,19:14   

Quote (clamboy @ Aug. 08 2017,19:53)
Linky poo[/quote]
I am shocked, SHOCKED! that that reply is not visible on the link provided.

but this one is:

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Truth Will Set You FreeAugust 8, 2017 at 1:41 pm
The most intolerant people on the planet…so-called progressives.

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,20:03   

Quote (clamboy @ Aug. 08 2017,18:53)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 08 2017,16:34)
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kenneth hughAugust 8, 2017 at 3:29 pm

News: What have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: well, they did end slavery.

News: well, of course. But other than ending slavery, what have they ever done for us?

Peasant: They got government to declare that women were persons and granted them the vote.

News: OK. But other than ending slavery and the vote for women, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: They did end child labour.

Peasant #2: And they did end debtor’s prison.

Peasant #3: And they pushed for laws that would penalize employers for unsafe work conditions.

News: Well, that all goes without saying. But other than ending slavery, giving women the vote, ending child labour, got rid of debtor’s prison and were responsible for safe working conditions. But other than this, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: Don’t forget about health care and employment insurance.

Peasant #2: Yah. Do you remember what it was like when your child used to die of a simple infection because you couldn’t afford to go to a doctor?

Peasant: And we can’t forget about.. .

News: meeting ajourned.


Linky poo

I am shocked, SHOCKED! that that reply is not visible on the link provided.

Be patient my paduan learner. I am sure, with time, it will make it past the ultimately fair and non-biased UD moderation process.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,20:16   

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Be patient my paduan learner. I am sure, with time, it will make it past the ultimately fair and non-biased UD moderation process.

But only if the farce is with you.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,20:22   

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Be patient my paduan learner. I am sure, with time, it will make it past the ultimately fair and non-biased UD moderation process.

But only if the farce is with you.

And only if UD is not swayed by the dork side of the farce.

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2017,23:46   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 08 2017,19:13)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 08 2017,17:34)
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kenneth hughAugust 8, 2017 at 3:29 pm

News: What have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: well, they did end slavery.

News: well, of course. But other than ending slavery, what have they ever done for us?

Peasant: They got government to declare that women were persons and granted them the vote.

News: OK. But other than ending slavery and the vote for women, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: They did end child labour.

Peasant #2: And they did end debtor’s prison.

Peasant #3: And they pushed for laws that would penalize employers for unsafe work conditions.

News: Well, that all goes without saying. But other than ending slavery, giving women the vote, ending child labour, got rid of debtor’s prison and were responsible for safe working conditions. But other than this, what have progressives ever done for us?

Peasant: Don’t forget about health care and employment insurance.

Peasant #2: Yah. Do you remember what it was like when your child used to die of a simple infection because you couldn’t afford to go to a doctor?

Peasant: And we can’t forget about.. .

News: meeting ajourned.


Linky poo

That comment is not on that page.

But...but...that comment would never be unpublished on UD, so you must mean it is available on another page! UD is freedom of thought electronified!

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,00:17   

Another comment from moderation limbo:
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Rvb8, if Kairosfocus was still with us, you wouldn’t be getting away with this. I’m sure that Plato would have something to say about this. When he wasn’t having sex with underage boys.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,08:12   

i thought i'd seen KF recently. Has he been at large?

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,09:27   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2017,08:12)
i thought i'd seen KF recently. Has he been at large?

He hasn't posted at UD for at least a month. It's hard to type when you are wearing a straight jacket.

Or maybe he has barricaded himself inside a cave, defending himself against the global geostrategic agenda. Drawing world maps on the walls with crayons, adding big arrows and lemmings going over a cliff.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,10:21   

I went to TSZ just to see if he'd been kicked out of UD and retreated to that place. No KF, but check out this complete nonsense:

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phoodoo August 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

...

I know some statisticians will claim they can solve this conundrum, and I have heard their explanation. And I win in roulette 99% of the time (that is no exaggeration). Go figure.
Cuckoo for cocoa-puffs

   
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,12:26   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2017,08:21)
I went to TSZ just to see if he'd been kicked out of UD and retreated to that place. No KF, but check out this complete nonsense:

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phoodoo August 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

...

I know some statisticians will claim they can solve this conundrum, and I have heard their explanation. And I win in roulette 99% of the time (that is no exaggeration). Go figure.
Cuckoo for cocoa-puffs

Phoodoo, I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,14:46   

Deleted post where I was approximately the 37th person to note that a post has disappeared from UD.  Perhaps KF is searching for it.

Edited by CeilingCat on Aug. 09 2017,14:51

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,16:13   

I went to KF's garbage blog to ask him what was up but he doesn't allow comments apparently.

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,16:16   

What, he disallowed comments? Surely not!

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,17:20   

In her post Prof claims to know how to slam dunk creationists Denyse criticises Prof Paul Braterman for defending the meaning of the word 'theory' when cdesign proponentsists claim that "evolution is just a theory":
 
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Actually, string theory and multiverse theories are elaborate theories too; there is just no evidence for them. It simply isn’t the case, as Braterman claims, that the word “theory” in science means that the evidence base is vast or strong or even that it exists.

However, Braterman's article actually advises against this response:
 
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So if anyone says, “Evolution is a theory”, don’t give them a lecture on the meaning of the word “theory”. If you do, you’ve fallen into the trap of making it seem that how we define words should affect how we see reality. You will be fighting on ground of your opponent’s choosing, since arguing about how to apply words is the stock in trade of theologians, preachers and lawyers like Mike Pence.

The correct response is to say that evolution is a theory – like gravity is a theory – and then redirect attention to the evidence. And that evidence is overwhelming.

So O'Leary has either not fully read and understood Braterman's article, or she has misrepresented it at Uncommon Descent - colour me shocked!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,20:54   

Yep, the word "theory" does sometimes get used for concepts that aren't (yet) strongly supported. It's not the label, it's the amount of support it has. Not to mention that biologists have been using this theory for a century, more or less, and if it didn't work they'd stop using it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2017,22:33   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 09 2017,20:54)
Yep, the word "theory" does sometimes get used for concepts that aren't (yet) strongly supported. It's not the label, it's the amount of support it has. Not to mention that biologists have been using this theory for a century, more or less, and if it didn't work they'd stop using it.

Back in 2001, I pointed out to Dembski (and Behe was in the audience) that scientists are the ultimate pragmatists; given that something works and does something useful for them, the philosophical arguments will pretty much be obviated or ignored. So the thing to do would be to show that ID did useful work for science. If he could do that, it wouldn't matter, in some sense, whatever criticism I was making, he would be able to convince scientists directly and they'd ignore me.

Not, of course, that either Dembski or Behe have been able to capitalize on that advice.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2017,02:51   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2017,10:21)
I went to TSZ just to see if he'd been kicked out of UD and retreated to that place. No KF, but check out this complete nonsense:

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phoodoo August 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

...

I know some statisticians will claim they can solve this conundrum, and I have heard their explanation. And I win in roulette 99% of the time (that is no exaggeration). Go figure.
Cuckoo for cocoa-puffs

Perhaps he means that in 99% of the times he goes to a casino, he wins at least once.

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timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2017,16:17   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 10 2017,02:51)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2017,10:21)
I went to TSZ just to see if he'd been kicked out of UD and retreated to that place. No KF, but check out this complete nonsense:

 
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phoodoo August 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

...

I know some statisticians will claim they can solve this conundrum, and I have heard their explanation. And I win in roulette 99% of the time (that is no exaggeration). Go figure.
Cuckoo for cocoa-puffs

Perhaps he means that in 99% of the times he goes to a casino, he wins at least once.

He goes to a casino 100 times but only bets once, and wins.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2017,18:53   

His math skills are on a par with his reasoning ability.

'I played roulette 100 times and won once.  Therefore Jesus.'

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...after reviewing the arguments, I’m inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE’s bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2017,12:01   

Played 100 times, won once? Therefore statistics...

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2017,17:28   

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Bob O'H August 11, 2017 at 2:06 pm
{Barry:}
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But for progressive fascists like Bob O’h and the goons at Google, it means something like “let’s sit down and I will tell you you all the ways you are a racist and sexist bigot if you don’t agree with me.”

I would certainly not do that. I try to have some empathy, even with people I disagree with.

I rather like the “love thy neighbour idea”. If that means that I’m a ‘progressive fascist’ then so be it.








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Barry ArringtonAugust 11, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Bob Oh:

“I rather like the “love thy neighbour idea”

Bob, how does your baseless insinuation that Google fired the engineer for sexual harassment fit in with loving your neighbor. How did your empathy cause you to lie about him?

Please. You got caught smearing the man. Now you play the innocent. Disgusting.
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Bob O'HAugust 11, 2017 at 4:22 pm
What, Barry? I have made no comment about why Google fired the engineer. Please read what I wrote in comment 20 & don’t ascribe to me things I haven’t said.



Have you ever met anybody who takes a shittier tone than Barry? Content aside, he just comes across as an awful person.

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 11 2017,18:31

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2017,19:50   

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Bob O'H August 11, 2017 at 2:06 pm
{Barry:}  
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But for progressive fascists like Bob O’h and the goons at Google, it means something like “let’s sit down and I will tell you you all the ways you are a racist and sexist bigot if you don’t agree with me.”

I would certainly not do that. I try to have some empathy, even with people I disagree with.

I rather like the “love thy neighbour idea”. If that means that I’m a ‘progressive fascist’ then so be it.








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Barry ArringtonAugust 11, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Bob Oh:

“I rather like the “love thy neighbour idea”

Bob, how does your baseless insinuation that Google fired the engineer for sexual harassment fit in with loving your neighbor. How did your empathy cause you to lie about him?

Please. You got caught smearing the man. Now you play the innocent. Disgusting.
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Bob O'HAugust 11, 2017 at 4:22 pm
What, Barry? I have made no comment about why Google fired the engineer. Please read what I wrote in comment 20 & don’t ascribe to me things I haven’t said.



Have you ever met anybody who takes a shittier tone than Barry? Content aside, he just comes across as an awful person.

And it's doubly ironic/hypocritical that he gets all self-righteous in defending the Google engineer's right to free speech yet went to court to prevent a gay valedictorian from giving his valedictory address. He really is a reprehensible human being.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,00:14   

Something with which to set off a chain reaction of explodey heads at UD: Stochastic Supertasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....V0L99sw

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,05:01   

To be fair, I did like Mung's response:
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MungAugust 11, 2017 at 6:24 pm

I guess if I’m not willing to jump on the Bob O’H is a lowlife piece of scum bandwagon I should just keep my mouth shut. Oh well, live and learn, right boys?

You’re a lowlife piece of scum Bob O’H!


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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,08:53   

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And it's doubly ironic/hypocritical that he gets all self-righteous in defending the Google engineer's right to free speech yet went to court to prevent a gay valedictorian from giving his valedictory address. He really is a reprehensible human being.


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,10:25   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 12 2017,08:53)
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And it's doubly ironic/hypocritical that he gets all self-righteous in defending the Google engineer's right to free speech yet went to court to prevent a gay valedictorian from giving his valedictory address. He really is a reprehensible human being.


I think that he's just not allowing any new commenters past moderation. He has his three or four token anti-IDists. Any more and he can't even pretend to win an argument.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,10:46   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2017,13:26   

This is fun.
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kenneth hughAugust 12, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
News:

 
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Would Bob O’H at 4…


Hmmm. Bob’s comment was at three, not four. The more suspicious among us might think that a comment has been deleted. But given the number of OPs recently about the horrors of infringing on free speech, I know this can’t be the case.


Edited by stevestory on Aug. 12 2017,14:51

  
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