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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2017,10:30   

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asauberAugust 13, 2017 at 8:23 am
Atheists by definition don’t know what truth is, so I’m not surprised they don’t trust each other.

And *I’m* distrustful of social studies as a rule, so I need to go get a cup of coffee and go find some truth somewhere.

Andrew


My opponents are wrong by definition!

SOLID LOGIC.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2017,10:32   

Atheists by definition don't know what truth is, so they don't trust each other, because they know the truth that the other one doesn't know the truth, just as they don't.

If asauber ever gets busted for Crack possession, maybe Barry will represent him Pro Bozo.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2017,11:31   

The truth is out there? And it hurts?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2017,12:42   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 13 2017,18:32)
Atheists by definition don't know what truth is, so they don't trust each other, because they know the truth that the other one doesn't know the truth, just as they don't.

If asauber ever gets busted for Crack possession, maybe Barry will represent him Pro Bozo.

Should be a riot, they won't trust each other.

asauber  I'm extremely grateful for your pro bozo Mr. Arrington, but I'm a little worried.

baz Why is that assrubber..(cough) asauber?

asauber You believe in God don't you, Mr. Arrington?

baz Of course my dear boy

asauber Except if you're doing this for free you won't get paid in heaven

baz Don't you worry assupper, I know a guy

asauber What the Judge?

baz No a locksmith. If we lose he'll have you racing across the corn fields outside the jail as soon as the moon goes down

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2017,12:49   

So to get out he just has to run through a maize?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,04:44   

Amazing!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,07:19   

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rvb8August 13, 2017 at 11:51 pm
The idea that the religious don’t trust, or believe atheists are capable of altruism, or moral behaviour, is as old as religion.

That atheists don’t trust each other is new to me; I trust atheists more than I trust the religious because I have the internet, a brain, and can read.

Going into any prison, worldwide would suggest atheists have a more coherent grasp of, ‘the livable, legal society.’

Any given statement from Coyne, or Dawkins, has more weight than any given statement by Schlafly, Fallwell, or the egregious Coulter.

Just watching a small amount of Christian TV on Youtube makes one wince at the bald faced, money grubbing lies of these TV evangelists.

The lies told by, and the crimes committed by Islamic ‘scholars’, Hindu ‘nationalists’, and Buddhist ‘mystics’, beggars belief.

No, I’ll stick with my predictably dull atheist friends, and leave the high morality to the religious, so they can kick the crap out of oneanother, and anyone else who happens to be near by.


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,12:13   

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EricMHAugust 14, 2017 at 10:11 am
Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself.


claiming you win by definition is The New Hotness over at UD.

In other news, they're still a handful of poorly-educated losers yamming on a website, to no effect.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,13:23   

Oh, I don't know. Do you count causing people to wince and laugh as an effect?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,14:47   

Dinosio surely didn't expect that O'Leary or anybody else would ever link to the thread that he's extendingspamming ever since June 4, 2014 at 1:26 am.        
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1 Dionisio August 14, 2017 at 1:11 pm

Here’s a discussion thread News started over 3 years ago, which deals with this 3rd way of evolution thing:

https://uncommondescent.com/evoluti....olution

BTW, once in there, you may want to take a quick look at the comment @1090:

https://uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-621816
However, it will remain his secret why he thinks that especially comment 1090 is linkworthy.        
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Dionisio December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm

Here’s a hint to answer the fundamental question “where’s the beef?”

Given any case of known evolutionary divergence, it could be described as:
Dev(d1) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d1)
Dev(d2) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d2)
Where
Dev(x) is the developmental process of any given biological system x
Delta(x) is the whole set of spatiotemporal procedural differences required to produce Dev(x).
d1 and d2 are two descendants of their common ancestor (ca).
Assuming the Dev(x) are well known, what hypothetical Delta(d1) and Delta(d2) could be suggested for the following cases?
Case 1: d1 = placental mammals; d2 = marsupials;
Case 2: d1 = placental; d2 = monotreme;
Case 3: d1 = cats; d2 = dogs; (use LUCA for ca)
Just point to the literature that explains this in details.
The explanation must be comprehensive, logically coherent and it must hold water under any kind of thorough examination.

Maybe it's some special kind of humour.

Edited by sparc on Aug. 14 2017,14:49

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,14:52   

Re "Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself."

Ah, but that self consciousness would contain only a reference to itself, not its physical self itself.

Otherwise you'd have a self references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that ...

(add an infinite item)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,15:21   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 14 2017,14:52)
Re "Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself."

Ah, but that self consciousness would contain only a reference to itself, not its physical self itself.

Otherwise you'd have a self references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that ...

(add an infinite item)

Selfs all the way down?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,16:58   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 14 2017,14:47)
Dinosio surely didn't expect that O'Leary or anybody else would ever link to the thread that he's extendingspamming ever since June 4, 2014 at 1:26 am.              
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1 Dionisio August 14, 2017 at 1:11 pm

Here’s a discussion thread News started over 3 years ago, which deals with this 3rd way of evolution thing:

https://uncommondescent.com/evoluti....olution

BTW, once in there, you may want to take a quick look at the comment @1090:

https://uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-621816
However, it will remain his secret why he thinks that especially comment 1090 is linkworthy.            
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1090
Dionisio December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm

Here’s a hint to answer the fundamental question “where’s the beef?”

Given any case of known evolutionary divergence, it could be described as:
Dev(d1) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d1)
Dev(d2) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d2)
Where
Dev(x) is the developmental process of any given biological system x
Delta(x) is the whole set of spatiotemporal procedural differences required to produce Dev(x).
d1 and d2 are two descendants of their common ancestor (ca).
Assuming the Dev(x) are well known, what hypothetical Delta(d1) and Delta(d2) could be suggested for the following cases?
Case 1: d1 = placental mammals; d2 = marsupials;
Case 2: d1 = placental; d2 = monotreme;
Case 3: d1 = cats; d2 = dogs; (use LUCA for ca)
Just point to the literature that explains this in details.
The explanation must be comprehensive, logically coherent and it must hold water under any kind of thorough examination.

Maybe it's some special kind of humour.

Considering where its printed, that last line is the punchline.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,17:03   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 14 2017,14:23)
Oh, I don't know. Do you count causing people to wince and laugh as an effect?

They'e provided me with comedy for 12 years now :p

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 14 2017,18:03

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,17:07   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2017,21:48   

Or, perhaps more accurately, preach the controversy.  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,01:54   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 14 2017,12:13)
 
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EricMHAugust 14, 2017 at 10:11 am
Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself.


claiming you win by definition is The New Hotness over at UD.

In other news, they're still a handful of poorly-educated losers yamming on a website, to no effect.


I could be wrong but I suspect Eric worked this out after hearing about the failure of Flik's tunnel within a tunnel project.



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,09:36   

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A swift, handy guide to the normal glut of fake news

August 15, 2017 Posted by News under Culture, Intelligent Design, Media, Science
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From Denyse O’Leary (O’Leary for News) at MercatorNet: When I use the term fake news, I do not mean deliberate sabotage of news sites by, for example, Russia’s troll house. Or opposition research marketed as news. Or false information that merits retraction and results in dismissals as at CNN recently. Nor material that is outed […]


fake news!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,10:12   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 14 2017,15:21)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 14 2017,14:52)
Re "Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself."

Ah, but that self consciousness would contain only a reference to itself, not its physical self itself.

Otherwise you'd have a self references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that ...

(add an infinite item)

Selfs all the way down?

You could try rebalancing your medication.



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,10:42   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 15 2017,09:36)
 
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A swift, handy guide to the normal glut of fake news

August 15, 2017 Posted by News under Culture, Intelligent Design, Media, Science
2 Comments

From Denyse O’Leary (O’Leary for News) at MercatorNet: When I use the term fake news, I do not mean deliberate sabotage of news sites by, for example, Russia’s troll house. Or opposition research marketed as news. Or false information that merits retraction and results in dismissals as at CNN recently. Nor material that is outed […]


fake news!

Are you suggesting that the UD regulars are being replaced one-by-one by fake alien replicants?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,11:22   

Re "Are you suggesting that the UD regulars are being replaced one-by-one by fake alien replicants?"

They aren't doing pod casts, are they? From their basements?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,12:42   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 14 2017,15:21)
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 14 2017,14:52)
Re "Self consciousness cannot have a material explanation by definition since no material thing can contain itself."

Ah, but that self consciousness would contain only a reference to itself, not its physical self itself.

Otherwise you'd have a self references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that references a self that ...

(add an infinite item)

Selfs all the way down?

So elephants are self-consciousness personified?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,15:10   

Dense:  ichisan at 2: But how will these Guardian people live? They want science without understanding or curiosity.

Can you imagine anyone at UD being like that?

On a completely unrelated matter, Dense has been nominated to be queen of the King Lear School for Self-Awareness.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2017,21:01   

I don't  know why Bornagain77 stopped posting on Uncommon Descent, but they miss him so much that DENYse has taken to featuring each video he posts on YouTube as if it was Holy writ.

If you wonder what burnt out sounds like ...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,07:10   

their commenting rate is pretty low these days. When i get some free time I might spend a while counting up what their average per day has been lately.

After making fun of it for 12 years, I'd kinda hate to see UD go :-(

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 16 2017,08:13

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,07:30   

I count 44 comments on UD yesterday, only 7 of which were Dionisio babbling into the void.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,08:29   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 15 2017,21:01)
I don't  know why Bornagain77 stopped posting on Uncommon Descent, but they miss him so much that DENYse has taken to featuring each video he posts on YouTube as if it was Holy writ.

If you wonder what burnt out sounds like ...

BA77 gone. Kairosfocus gone. William J. Murray gone. Maybe Barry is trying to stage the site for the purpose of selling it. All he has to do is get rid of Joe and Dionisio and he might attract a buyer.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,08:48   

You have to go back to the 5th post on page 8, 145 posts back from today, to find KF's last comment, made July 15, 2017 at 2:16 pm.

I wonder if Montserrat has online searchable arrest logs?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,08:51   

Before that, KF posted once on July 14, and many times on his last OP on July 11.

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 16 2017,09:52

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,10:10   

Maybe they all found something useful to do somewhere?

  
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