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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,21:24   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 03 2008,16:11)
Afternoon Delight With The Discovery Institute

Delightful, indeed . . . !  That lil' ol' lady is one helluva storyteller.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2008,20:25   

Thank you. I'm delighted people are reading it, and excited to get to the conclusion. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2008,20:51   

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Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.


So..what's the function of the human chin again?

to indicate extreme awesomeness?


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2008,22:52   

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Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.


So..what's the function of the human chin again?

to indicate extreme awesomeness?


And that chainsaw-hand?  Obviously designed.  There's no way random mutations could generate the information for that!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2008,01:20   

Quote (intelekshual @ Sep. 06 2008,08:25)
Thank you. I'm delighted people are reading it, and excited to get to the conclusion. :)

I liked the description of Anika ... Can't wait to read the rest of the story.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,12:34   

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My favorite part of this is that despite the fact that it should have been obvious that they were both drunk and lying, Casey quickly becomes their hero.


Two girls get drunk and go have a laugh at Casey Luskin? Who are these mysterious sirens...I must know more....

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/09/casey_gives_a_tour.php

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,17:40   

The final installment is up now. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,18:08   

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When Kate expressed her interest in the legalities of teaching ID, Casey's beady eyes lit up as I imagine they might were he presented with proof of a creator. Like a toddler having just managed to make poopy in the toilet for the first time, he proudly exclaimed that he was a lawyer, and could really, really, honestly for reals tell us anything we wanted to know about the legal issues.


Hysterical.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,18:50   

Outstanding, intelekshual.

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The bulk of the conversation was just a rehashing of Luskin’s nonsense statements on the subject, which means it wasn’t terribly interesting. Until Kate said, quietly but with obviously sincere indignation, “But that judge was supposedly a Christian.”

It was like turning on a light switch. Luskin’s face darkened, his brow furrowed, becoming (if possible) even more prehistoric in appearance, and his slightly high pitched whine turned into something much darker, and passionate. From his next sentence, everything you need to know about the difference between their public portrayal of ID and it’s roots in religion, and the reality of the situation.

His tone strident, leaning across the table to get as close as possible, he said “I know! But he wasn’t a real christian, he was a country club christian! I even heard that he referred to his church as his wife’s church. So that explains that. A real christian wouldn’t have sided with the ACLU the way he did. It was sickening.”


. . . interesting that Luskin has appointed himself Sole Arbiter of who's a "real Christian."  Matt 7:1, Matt 23:13

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,19:20   

Oh man. Casey can really bring it home, can't he?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,20:47   

I remember a lunch with Casey in 2004 where we talked about IDC's legal prospects. The Darby, Montana incident was over, but Darby demonstrated that IDC could be at the center of a legal challenge. Casey thought that since IDC didn't talk about religion explicitly, it would pass all legal scrutiny. I took the line that IDC's history of reliance on previous antievolution arguments plus the history of IDC advocates telling religious audiences that it really was about religion would do for it.

The continuous record of religious antievolution argumentation documented in the drafts of "Of Pandas and People" -- and the manuscript of its successor -- was icing on the cake. A real Christian really, really dislikes liars. This is a lesson Casey has not yet learned.

So if someone wants to talk IDC and legal issues, they can talk to Casey and they can talk to me. I'm one up on Casey about what happens in reality when IDC meets jurisprudence, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,21:04   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 07 2008,20:47)
So if someone wants to talk IDC and legal issues, they can talk to Casey and they can talk to me. I'm one up on Casey about what happens in reality. when IDC meets jurisprudence, though.

Fixed that for you.  And I think we all know it's a lot more than one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,01:40   

And, delightfully, PZ Myers has linked to the story again, so plenty of people are reading it. I can't say how excited I am, and I'm quite enjoying the picture in my head of all the people at the Discovery Institute reading the little note I sent them... :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,10:44   

Quote (intelekshual @ Sep. 08 2008,01:40)
And, delightfully, PZ Myers has linked to the story again, so plenty of people are reading it. I can't say how excited I am, and I'm quite enjoying the picture in my head of all the people at the Discovery Institute reading the little note I sent them... :)

I feel strongly both ways.  Yeah, we poked the stick at Casey and the DI and had some good laughs, and Annika got blasted too.

BUT...

I am afraid this will ruin it for the rest of us that wanted to just drop in on the DI and enjoy the Casey Luskin Experience face to face eyebrow to eyebrow.  

The next time we get somebody on the inside it will probably take a court order, or sneak in with a disguise like this -



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,12:05   

That might be my favorite photoshop evar. Hard to say. The one of Ruby's shooting of Oswald turned into a musical arrangement is pretty good.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,14:37   

Quote (intelekshual @ Sep. 08 2008,07:40)
And, delightfully, PZ Myers has linked to the story again, so plenty of people are reading it. I can't say how excited I am, and I'm quite enjoying the picture in my head of all the people at the Discovery Institute reading the little note I sent them... :)

Your work with the Discovery Institute and La Luskin, it was teh funneh. You can has complimentary LOLCat as sign of AtBC approval and admiration:



Well done!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,14:48   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 07 2008,21:47)
I remember a lunch with Casey in 2004 where we talked about IDC's legal prospects. The Darby, Montana incident was over, but Darby demonstrated that IDC could be at the center of a legal challenge. Casey thought that since IDC didn't talk about religion explicitly, it would pass all legal scrutiny. I took the line that IDC's history of reliance on previous antievolution arguments plus the history of IDC advocates telling religious audiences that it really was about religion would do for it.

The continuous record of religious antievolution argumentation documented in the drafts of "Of Pandas and People" -- and the manuscript of its successor -- was icing on the cake. A real Christian really, really dislikes liars. This is a lesson Casey has not yet learned.

So if someone wants to talk IDC and legal issues, they can talk to Casey and they can talk to me. I'm one up on Casey about what happens in reality when IDC meets jurisprudence, though.

Even when you hand them the answer key, they still get it wrong.

Where's Lenny when you need him?

*cue Lenny's famous recitation that no matter how many times you tell them, they JUST CAN'T SHUT UP ABOUT THE ESUSJAY*

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,15:38   

Luskin (accompanied by his favorite cheerleader, FtK), showed up to comment at Thoughts from Kansas. Per usual, he whines about being persecuted and overworked.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,15:47   

Now you be nice to Casey.  Your angry old man style behavior isn't very appealing.  

Stop talking down to people as well.  Gives you that arrogant Darwinian persona...bleck.

Be good.  Think happy thoughts...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:17   

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Now you be nice to Casey.  Your angry old man style behavior isn't very appealing.

Willful ignorance and concern trolling are even less appealing.

Here's a quote from Antonin Scalia, who is probably Luskin's favorite Supreme. Perhaps he (and you) can learn from it. When asked about the most common mistakes lawyers make, he replied  
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In written arguments, it's verbosity. Brevity is crucial. In oral arguments, it's the inability or unwillingness to answer a question.

Pass that along to Casey, will ya? And don't you have some questions on your own thread that you have been unable or unwilling to answer for many months now?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:39   

I love the fact that Casey is verbose!  That's why he's one of my favs.  He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:53   

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I love the fact that Casey is verbose!  That's why he's one of my favs.  He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

LOL do you really believe that FTK or are you smoking something special again?

Any time you want to discuss the science, the misconceptions in your post, the modes and mechanisms of evolutionary change or indeed any scientific topic, please feel free to go ahead. We'll all join in, nice as pie. We're just waiting. You don't mind if we amuse ourselves in the interim do you? The offers have been made to you time and time again.

So where do you want to start?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:54   

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I love the fact that Casey is verbose!  That's why he's one of my favs.  He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Yep, them mice and fishes and such just aren't going to teach us anything about evolution. We should definitely only study humans, who are the pinnacle of creation. Too bad about that 15-20 year generation time...

It is interesting that the willfully ignorant prefer to talk only about humans, because they think that they are experts on humans (which is also not true). "Taking the time to learn about the other critters?  Well, they just can't be bothered. Why would we want to learn about those things anyway?"

Actually, FtK, if you had ever learned about any of those things, you might have a chance to learn something at one of those lectures you attend. Without that knowledge, you are just wasting your time, and taking up space in a seat that would be better filled by someone with a little more knowledge and a lot more humility. Your attitude is arrogance and ignorance rolled into one.
 
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Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

Pure projection. As you are well aware, I steadfastly refuse to get into a discussion of religion with the likes of you. And you are equally adamant about moving off that ground to talk about science.

Why do you think that lies like that help your cause at all?

Why don't you go on over to your own thread and deal with some of those unanswered questions?  One of them is even about humans, as I recall. No more excuses about mice and fish and other critters about which you remain willfully ignorant.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:54   

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I love the fact that Casey is verbose!  That's why he's one of my favs.  He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

Says the person who runs away  from every discussion about macroevolution and who over the years has not learnt enough elementary physics to know that Brown is a crank.

Just another liar for Jesus.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,16:59   

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I love the fact that Casey is verbose!

What about the blatant lies? So blatant that even Davescot is compelled to point them out.
       
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That's why he's one of my favs.

A proven liar. You said it. I believe it.       
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 He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

I shudder to think you hold that option of the work they "produce". No doubt you recommend it in homeschool forums along with your "lies about dinosaurs" books. Do you have an opinion on this? Where I note Casey is distorting the facts so much even commenter's at UD revolt!
       
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OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.

In order to be able to learn you have to be able to learn. Would you like a complex example of evolution then? Is the problem simply that it's all been beneath you so far? Your entire post is a parody/joke right?
       
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Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

Why don't you explain what you mean?
       
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I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  

Is that all? What lectures have you attended, specifically? Will this be like "peer review"?
       
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We already know that microevolution is fact.  

Upon what basis has it been proven as fact then? What primary sources have you used that have lead you to that conclusion?
       
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We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Lets say that the amount of *facts* about *macro*evolution can be a number. Let's call that number "1".

Now, lets consider the empirical evidence backing up your set of *facts. No "million articles" to read. No thousands of books, at all levels, to study. Lets call that number "0".

Upon what basis should your version of events be considered?
       
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Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

As opposed to the wholesale political talking point regurgitation currently going on over at your blog? I'll take the jesus talk here any day. Had many donations yet?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,17:02   

Ftk:

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We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.


Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that the evidence doesn't exist or is "lame".

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,17:03   

Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 14 2008,16:39)
I love the fact that Casey is verbose!  That's why he's one of my favs.  He's thorough and always links to great supporting articles providing more information to study and learn from.  

OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.    You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Of course, most of the time, ya'll prefer to carry on about religion and Jesus rather than discuss evolution.

Puh-LEEZE!  You have absolutely no desire to learn science.  Your interest in real science extends only so far as looking for gaps and perceived "flaws" to insert your "Aha!  Goddidit!" crapola.  So spare us.

Simple examples are used because you are supposed to teach small children, household pets, and fundies things slowly that they might better understand.

And if gods and messiahs are brought up by "Darwinists", it's because religidiots who are trying to undermine science keep trying to insert the supernatural into it.  Please, do give us one person who promotes creationism and/or ID as "science" who is NOT religiously motivated.  Betcha' can't.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,17:11   

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[SNIP]

Please, do give us one person who promotes creationism and/or ID as "science" who is NOT religiously motivated.  Betcha' can't.

DaveTard?

Berlinski?

Steve Fuller?

{ducks and runs}

Louis

P.S. I suppose one could cogently argue that each of them promotes this crapola for religious reasons, they're just not the same religious reasons that the FTKs of this world would use. ;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,17:16   

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OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.  

I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts.

Well ftk, you could always get off your lazy ass and take a class on it

       
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  Stanford University
   Biology 136 - Evolutionary Paleobiology
   Evolutionary Paleobiology presents a paleontological approach to evolutionary theory. Macroevolution, speciation, heterochrony, evolutionary constraint, coevolution, the Cambrian Explosion, and mass extinctions are amongst the topics that are covered. The course format is lecture with a weekly discussion section focused on assigned primary literature. This course is intended for upper division and graduate students. This class meets for lecture twice a week, with an additional one-hour discussion per week.

   Wake Forest University
   639. Principles of Biosystematics. (4) An exploration of the current theoretical and practical approaches to the study of macroevolution in plants and animals. Topics include theory and methods of constructing evolutionary trees, sources of data, and cladistic biogeography.

   Yale University
   G&G610b Advanced Topics in Macroevolution. Elisabeth Vrba

   University of Pennsylvania
   GEOL 535. Macroevolution

   BIOL 411. Adaptation, Speciation, and Systematics. (J) Dunham/Cheney. Prerequisite(s): BIOL 230 or permission of instructor.
   Adaptation, phylogenetic systematics, and macroevolution of molecules, organ systems, and species. Emphasis is on current topics and debates.

   Wesleyan University
   Pattern and Process in Macroevolution
   BIOL 369 SP
   This course will begin with a history of ideas and growth of evolutionary theory and then focus on the intrinsic processes that underpin organic evolution. We will then examine the history of life on earth focusing on the mechanisms that have generated morphological variation. This will include the origin of life, the appearance and disappearance of major taxonomic groups, rates of evolution, the differences between morphological and molecular evolution, the role of regulatory genes, and developmental mechanisms as a source of evolutionary novelty. Readings will include recent as well as classic papers drawn from the primary literature that students will be expected to discuss.

   Rowan University
   Methods in Macroevolution
   (Prerequisites: 0401.100, 0401.101)
   This laboratory course investigates how we investigate and interpret patterns of macroevolution (evolution above the species level). The course will cover a variety of topics, including systematics, species concepts, evolutionary mechanisms, and phylogenetic analysis. Laboratory exercises include the demonstrations and actual applications of investigative techniques used to study macroevolutionary patterns. This course may not be offered annually.

   University of Southern Indiana
   BIOL 481: Organic Evolution (3) A discussion of the science of evolution and how evolutionary theory can explain the diversity of life on earth. Topics include evidence for macroevolution, the history of evolutionary thought, adaptation, population genetics, speciation, and human evolution. (3-0) Prereq: BIOL 215; junior status in science or consent of instructor. F, Sp

   University of Virginia
   BIOL 301 - (3) (S)
   Genetics and Evolution
   Prerequisite: BIOL 300; CHEM 141, 142.
   Examines the inheritance of genes, the genetic basis of traits, and mechanisms of evolutionary change, with an emphasis on the genetic and evolutionary principles needed to understand the diversification of life on earth. Major topics include the Mendelian inheritance, mutation, linkage and recombination, as well as the genetics of natural populations, adaptation in various forms, molecular evolution and macroevolution. Required for all Biology majors.

   University of Rhode Island
   350 Evolution (I, 4) Introduction to evolution as the unifying thread in the biosphere. Processes and patterns discussed, including microevolution and macroevolution. Social impact of evolution discussed from a biological perspective. Pre: GEO 102 or one semester of biological sciences, or permission of instructors. Twombly and Fastovsky

   Southwestern University
   BIOL 481: Organic Evolution (3) A discussion of the science of evolution and how evolutionary theory can explain the diversity of life on earth. Topics include evidence for macroevolution, the history of evolutionary thought, adaptation, population genetics, speciation, and human evolution. (3-0) Prereq: BIOL 215; junior status in science or consent of instructor. F, Sp

   Victoria University of Wellington
   BIOL 403 – Evolution
   This course focuses on classic questions in evolution including speciation processes, reconstruction of biological history from modern specimens, macroevolution, the origin(s) of complexity, and human evolution. Special emphasis is given to the impact of data produced by modern molecular techniques, including DNA sequences.

   Western Illinois University
   503 Biosystematics and Evolution. (3) Philosophy of science, review of evolutionary theory, taxonomy, modern systematics, phylogenetics, macroevolution, and applications of phylogenetic systematics. Prerequisite: Graduate standing in biology.

   University of Toronto
   ZOO 362H1F
   Introduction to Macroevolution


There are hundreds of more examples, but it's easier for you to remain an ignorant blustering Servant Of Da Lawd, right?   :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2008,18:45   

Macroevolution? FTK, I was under the impression that the fish-amphibian transition one of the topics of discussion before you fled your thread. Come back and we can discuss the reptile-mammal transition, the evolution of whale, crocodiles, elephants, sirenians, etc.

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