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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,16:33   

The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,16:48   

OK, what did dheddle to with the Real Heddle?

You're cracking me up and it's MY job to crack me up!  Or maybe it's just that the creationists have gone so far to the edge they make DH look positively Che.

Welcome to the revolution, amigo!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,16:56   

I can't wait to her what kevin11 has to say about Michael Shermer's Scientific American article, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed--Ben Stein Launches a Science-free Attack on Darwin

Here's the intro

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In 1974 I matriculated at Pepperdine University as a born-again Christian who rejected Darwinism and evolutionary theory—not because I knew anything about it (I didn't) but because I thought that in order to believe in God and accept the Bible as true, you had to be a creationist. What I knew about evolution came primarily from creationist literature, so when I finally took a course in evolutionary theory in graduate school I realized that I had been hoodwinked. What I discovered is a massive amount of evidence from multiple sciences—geology, paleontology, biogeography, zoology, botany, comparative anatomy, molecular biology, genetics and embryology—demonstrating that evolution happened.


And poor davetard is going to dirty his shorts.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,16:57   

I like Dheddle, not surprising as I also like dum*









*Dum Dheddle Dum Dheddle Dum-Dum-Dum.

Great if you don't know the words to songs.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,17:25   

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Caption contest?



"Look, I can still see a small brown bit from Nixon on his nose."

"A face and voice for speech writing!"

"His 'bat in the cave'?  God did it."

"The dude just snorted a line of Coulter...uh, should we tell someone?" :p

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,17:37   

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Caption contest?



"Look, I can still see a small brown bit from Nixon on his nose."

"A face and voice for speech writing!"

"His 'bat in the cave'?  God did it."

"The dude just snorted a line of Coulter...uh, should we tell someone?" :p

And this years winner of the
"Prestigious Person Who Has Done For To Movies What Denyse O'Leary Has Done For To Writing" Award....  Ben Stein!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,17:51   

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Expelled is so lame FoxNews doesn't like it. But it looks like the Expelled folks know their target audience is the less-educated.

 
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PS: Following "The Passion" release pattern, "Expelled" will open wide on the 18th, but mostly in rural and poor neighborhoods. It’s got just one theater in all of New York City, in Times Square, none in places like Beverly Hills or wealthier, better-educated urban neighborhoods where more "evolved" people might live.

According to the film’s Web site, the producers are in a whopping 45 theaters in North Carolina, and a mere seven in Massachusetts, 35 in Georgia, 11 in New Jersey, four in Connecticut and one in Vermont. And so on. There are huge numbers of screens in Florida and Texas taking the film, particularly seven in San Antonio. If I lived in the Deep South, I’d boycott the filmmakers for thinking of me as this gullible and unsophisticated.

It's ironic. They presumably picked Stein since he's Jewish and they can say "see! It's not just bornagains!" (and I assume he's cheap). And yet 99% of the showings are in places where no Jews are likely to see it, and where antisemitism is highest.

I think they've completely given up converting any new people to the cause, and now they're simply desperate to recoup their investment.

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Bing



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,18:04   

Quote (stevestory @ April 09 2008,15:07)
Quote (Assassinator @ April 09 2008,16:01)
Although Showgirls sucked (o ha   ha   ha), it still had lots of hot naked girls.

That wasn't enough. It's one of only two movies that I've walked out on in my life.

The other is Schindler's List. Make of those facts what you will.

You didn't want to perform a Pee Wee Herman in the theatre where Showgirls was playing and left in a state of partial tumescence?

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,18:11   

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I can't wait to her what kevin11 has to say about Michael Shermer's Scientific American article, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed--Ben Stein Launches a Science-free Attack on Darwin


Furthermore, the opening scene is all fake.  Fake students.  Extras.

Hey, Kevin, did you write that? Enter fake students, stage left.

Sort of like the rest of the film, right Kevin?

Kevin?  Anybody?

By the way, Kev, you never did answer my question.  From what was Sternberg expelled?  It's not explained in the film, although you lied and said it was.  Perhaps you could direct us to the real person who wrote the screenplay and we could ask that person.

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,18:25   

EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,18:53   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

I'd hug you, but you'd probably kill me.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:00   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

</lurk>

*bows to ERV*

That just made my day :)

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:03   

I am but only the messenger.

Thank arrogant Creationists for the lulz.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:09   



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:14   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,19:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

I hope it's a big headache to have to edit their plagiarized stuff out at the last minute.

If they like to commit plagiarism it's no wonder they were expelled!

:p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:22   

Quote (stevestory @ April 09 2008,19:14)
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EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

I hope it's a big headache to have to edit their plagiarized stuff out at the last minute.

If they like to commit plagiarism it's no wonder they were expelled!

:p

They should call in these cats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHrP_Njvpko

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:22   

The preview and the reviews I've seen make it sound pretty bad, and apparently now that we are open to a negative opinion of Paul Stein for this, his other critics ahaving a field day bringing up they think he sucked at economics too.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:31   

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Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,19:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

I hope it's a big headache to have to edit their plagiarized stuff out at the last minute.

If they like to commit plagiarism it's no wonder they were expelled!

:p

Last night I counted 909 theaters listed as carrying expelled. I have no idea how this stuff is done - but this late in the distribution game there must be approximately a thousand individual 35mm prints of this film in some phase or other of being shipped or prepared for shipping. No way they are edited at this late date, or new prints created from an edited digital original in time for distribution. So either they go forward in the face of this legal demand or they postpone the film's opening, I would think months rather than weeks. Either could be disastrous/expensive for the producer.

(Sow, reap, and all that.)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:49   

They have no time to remove the offending clips. If they postpone the release then they have lost their market.   if they release it with the challenged clips then they will have an expensive lawsuit and lose their revenues.    

My bet is that they will release it anyway and then pose as martyrs oppressed by Big Science (as opposed to ID's Little Science)



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,19:55   

of course they want to be Expelled.  It's all about the big bad EAC.  

ERV you are way gabbro.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,20:14   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

EXPELLED == EPIC FREAKING FAIL

Oh, and I know, I know, I'm justa n00b, but once again I have to ask the moderators: POTW? POTM? POTY??????

ERV you need to live up to your handle and make copies of yer terrific bad self.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,20:14   

ERV, Mistress of the Universe.

Give me a jet pack, oh, Ruler, and I will do your bidding.

(The jet pack in Houston traffic would be way cool.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,20:17   

OK, Expelled… But Plagiarism Will Do That For You

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Abbie Smith at ERV has the scoop on this: XVIVO has made the opening legal salvo with a cease-and-desist letter to Premise Media accusing them of copyright infringement concerning the animation showing the interior of a cell used in the film. They request that the disputed animation be removed from the “Expelled” film *before* it makes its commercial debut on April 18th.

Now, that’s a short schedule. Somebody’s going to be out a packet of change over this. It may not even be feasible for Premise Media to alter the film on that timetable and have their big opening, too. There’s speculation that Premise Media may say, ‘damn the lawyers, full steam ahead!’ and simply figure on writing off the financial end of this as a big loss, hoping that they’ll gain martyr cred by doing so. The thing about martyrs, though, is that they not only need to be oppressed, but they are supposed to somehow convey at least a dollop of righteousness along the way. Funny, though, how righteousness just doesn’t seem to be any part of the operating mindset behind the writing, production. or promotion of this film. Getting caught cheating doesn’t make you look like a martyr, it makes you look like a crook.

Hey, maybe Ben Stein will finally get to use Nixon’s most famous line that Ben Stein claims he, Ben Stein, didn’t write.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,20:22   

All is lost.

Apparently, Ben Stein has found out about the cease and desist order and has moved his bunker.

All is revealed HERE.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:21   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 09 2008,20:22)
All is lost.

Apparently, Ben Stein has found out about the cease and desist order and has moved his bunker.

All is revealed HERE.

Ach!  Zer Goot, Herr Doctor Wilhelm!  I zink zey are well und truly fukked, nein?

Well, they DID want to bring the Nazis into this didn't they?

Is this Godwin's Law writ large?

Jawohl!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:32   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

Allen MacNeill pokes the UDiots
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I don’t know if anyone is still watching this thread, but Premise Media has just been slapped with a “cease and desist” letter from XVIVO, the group at Harvard that produced the video clips from which the still images at the top of this thread were taken. They are alleging copyright infringement (not to mention blatant plagiarism). The full text of the letter from XVIVO’s lawyers can be read at:

http://endogenousretrovirus.bl.....arism.html

The letter makes it clear that if the offending video clips are not removed from the film and all promotional materials by the opening date, immediate legal action will be taken to stop the release of the film.

I’m curious; isn’t there a commandment about stealing in there somewhere? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

P.S. It might be a good idea to remove the still pictures at the top of this thread, too. You never know…


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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:38   

Was it copied or made independently?

Can we use the EF for this?

*bites lip*

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:44   

I RESURRECTED FTK!!! WHOOOOOOO!

<--ERV, biggest bitch in the biosphere, 1st runner up biggest bitch in the solar system

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:46   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 09 2008,21:32)
Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

Allen MacNeill pokes the UDiots
 
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I don’t know if anyone is still watching this thread, but Premise Media has just been slapped with a “cease and desist” letter from XVIVO, the group at Harvard that produced the video clips from which the still images at the top of this thread were taken. They are alleging copyright infringement (not to mention blatant plagiarism). The full text of the letter from XVIVO’s lawyers can be read at:

http://endogenousretrovirus.bl.....arism.html

The letter makes it clear that if the offending video clips are not removed from the film and all promotional materials by the opening date, immediate legal action will be taken to stop the release of the film.

I’m curious; isn’t there a commandment about stealing in there somewhere? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

P.S. It might be a good idea to remove the still pictures at the top of this thread, too. You never know… emphasis mine - JD


BWa Ha Ha!  I guess "Mister" MacNeill will have the last laugh, right Davie?

BTW - In the first response to Allen's notice, UD poster jstanley first tries to obfuscate by confusing this with the Dembski  illegal copyright infringement that ERV caught,  then provides a link to the letter on Ann Coulter's blog!

All Science So Far.

added in edit:  They DID take down the picture of the cell at the top of the thread!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:48   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,21:44)
I RESURRECTED FTK!!! WHOOOOOOO!

<--ERV, biggest bitch in the biosphere, 1st runner up biggest bitch in the solar system

Yay!  Abbie For President Empress Of The World!

If FTK hates you, you KNOW you're doing something right.

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