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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,02:49   

Quote (Henry J @ July 06 2017,20:14)
Re "That's the curse of "Darwinism," it leads to learning."

And, that might lead to, uh, thinking!  :p

As long as it doesn't lead to dancing we're safe.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,09:10   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 07 2017,02:49)
Quote (Henry J @ July 06 2017,20:14)
Re "That's the curse of "Darwinism," it leads to learning."

And, that might lead to, uh, thinking!  :p

As long as it doesn't lead to dancing we're safe.

But steer clear of the moral turpitude.

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,09:46   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 07 2017,02:49)
Quote (Henry J @ July 06 2017,20:14)
Re "That's the curse of "Darwinism," it leads to learning."

And, that might lead to, uh, thinking!  :p

As long as it doesn't lead to dancing we're safe.

UD is full of people who think Kevin Bacon was the villain in Footloose.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,10:33   

Quote (Texas Teach @ July 07 2017,08:46)
UD is full of people who think Kevin Bacon was the villain in Footloose.

Well, they do have that rule against pork products, right?

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,12:46   

Quote (Henry J @ July 07 2017,10:33)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 07 2017,08:46)
UD is full of people who think Kevin Bacon was the villain in Footloose.

Well, they do have that rule against pork products, right?

Not with the way they're sympathetic to Ken Ham, they don't.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,17:03   

KF has a new buzzword:
[QUOTE]DiEb, I have just showed how one of the authors connects to the corpus, and above you spoke to that corpus. My point is, that corpus is not in isolation from wider sampling, thermodynamics and information issues; also, the points I made about searches are directly relevant. KF

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,17:36   


Dionisio continues to spam.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,17:41   

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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Dionisio:

“All credits go to God. None to me. OK?”

That’s pretty insulting to God.
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Dionisio July 6, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Pindi @30:
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That’s pretty insulting to God.

Why?


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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 10:16 pm
Dionisio @37:

Because you are making him/her/it responsible for your tedious ramblings.
linky

   
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2017,18:23   

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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Dionisio:

“All credits go to God. None to me. OK?”

That’s pretty insulting to God.
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Dionisio July 6, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Pindi @30:
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That’s pretty insulting to God.

Why?


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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 10:16 pm
Dionisio @37:

Because you are making him/her/it responsible for your tedious ramblings.
linky

Daaaaaaaaaamn!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2017,16:10   

If you want to see insults to G-d, just read the O.T. There's lots of stuff there that could be taken as slander if it was said about a person.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2017,11:07   

Quote (Texas Teach @ July 08 2017,02:23)
Quote (stevestory @ July 07 2017,17:41)
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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Dionisio:

“All credits go to God. None to me. OK?”

That’s pretty insulting to God.
 
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Dionisio July 6, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Pindi @30:
 
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That’s pretty insulting to God.

Why?


 
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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 10:16 pm
Dionisio @37:

Because you are making him/her/it responsible for your tedious ramblings.
linky

Daaaaaaaaaamn!

Yeah. But not much use trying that one on Gordo..he thinks he IS god. The whole UD crowd remind me of those old Playboy cartoons where a bunch of guys in the asylum all think they are Napoleon.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2017,14:20   

Quote (k.e.. @ July 11 2017,11:07)
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 08 2017,02:23)
Quote (stevestory @ July 07 2017,17:41)
 
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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Dionisio:

“All credits go to God. None to me. OK?”

That’s pretty insulting to God.
 
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Dionisio July 6, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Pindi @30:
 
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That’s pretty insulting to God.

Why?


 
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Pindi July 6, 2017 at 10:16 pm
Dionisio @37:

Because you are making him/her/it responsible for your tedious ramblings.
linky

Daaaaaaaaaamn!

Yeah. But not much use trying that one on Gordo..he thinks he IS god. The whole UD crowd remind me of those old Playboy cartoons where a bunch of guys in the asylum all think they are Napoleon.

Well, those guys in the asylum are just delusional.  I'm Napoleon.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2017,16:09   

Nah, the man from UNCLE was Napoleon.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2017,16:46   

Quote (Henry J @ July 11 2017,16:09)
Nah, the man from UNCLE was Napoleon.

He worked Solo.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2017,21:51   

I'm Napoleon, and so's my wife!

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2017,01:13   

Pindi encapsulates the thinking going on in the OP and comments on the Is Mathematics a Natural Science? thread:
   
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Maths exists. Therefore Jesus.

Heh. UD link

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2017,10:54   

Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2017,23:13)
Pindi encapsulates the thinking going on in the OP and comments on the Is Mathematics a Natural Science? thread:
   
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Maths exists. Therefore Jesus.

Heh. UD link

Gordon agrees, in considerably more words.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2017,12:23   

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rvb8July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am
Kairos @10,

the accusation that I am a troll is not new. It is not that I am a troll, it is simply that every single argument raised on this site, every new ‘book’, every new proof of naturalism’s failure to answer complexity, every new post by NEWS, is smply not new.

You find something you hav not described in nature, or in the human body, or in the cosmos, and say look, ‘design’.

Scientists sigh, and say, ‘we don’t understand this yet, but please don’t jump to God!’

I am not a troll, I am simply waiting for something, anything that actually points to design, that is not hearsay, incredulity, or God of the Gaps.

I don’t stay on threads because they are peopled by the likes of Dionisio, or even yourself, with endless tedious predictable tirrades.

TWSYF @12,

my reason for coming to this site ever since Dover has never changed; I am watching a slow, evolving implosion. I may be banned, I don’t care, I will still visit.

It is fascinating to observe the demise of a once very vocal and confident community, full of the huff and puff of a once reverred figure, Dembski, turn into the rants of the almost ureadable NEWS and Co.

I don’t troll, I observe, and it is wonderfully satisfying to see science tiumph so infatically over woo.
linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2017,12:44   

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chris haynesJuly 12, 2017 at 11:26 am
A little question…..

On the subject of the Origin of Life, what can one teach, (other than Creationism) that is consistent with all the peer reviewed empirical evidence?


I haven't seen this dummy before.

   
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2017,10:24   

Quote (stevestory @ July 12 2017,20:23)
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rvb8July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am
Kairos @10,

the accusation that I am a troll is not new. It is not that I am a troll, it is simply that every single argument raised on this site, every new ‘book’, every new proof of naturalism’s failure to answer complexity, every new post by NEWS, is smply not new.

You find something you hav not described in nature, or in the human body, or in the cosmos, and say look, ‘design’.

Scientists sigh, and say, ‘we don’t understand this yet, but please don’t jump to God!’

I am not a troll, I am simply waiting for something, anything that actually points to design, that is not hearsay, incredulity, or God of the Gaps.

I don’t stay on threads because they are peopled by the likes of Dionisio, or even yourself, with endless tedious predictable tirrades.

TWSYF @12,

my reason for coming to this site ever since Dover has never changed; I am watching a slow, evolving implosion. I may be banned, I don’t care, I will still visit.

It is fascinating to observe the demise of a once very vocal and confident community, full of the huff and puff of a once reverred figure, Dembski, turn into the rants of the almost ureadable NEWS and Co.

I don’t troll, I observe, and it is wonderfully satisfying to see science tiumph so infatically over woo.
linky

Still ....Waiting for Gordo......of teh gaps. We can't go on ...we must go on.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2017,14:06   

Quote (stevestory @ July 12 2017,10:44)
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chris haynesJuly 12, 2017 at 11:26 am
A little question…..

On the subject of the Origin of Life, what can one teach, (other than Creationism) that is consistent with all the peer reviewed empirical evidence?


I haven't seen this dummy before.

I call Poe.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,15:24   

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RodWJuly 14, 2017 at 2:05 pm
Thanks for the post. Its obvious you’ve put a lot of work into it.
I disagree that this shows evidence for ID. While the protein is unique to vertebrates as you say, the domains that allow the protein to perform its function are not. In fact the CUT and HOX domains were discovered first in drosophila and the SATBIN domain is in flies as well. These domains are also part of larger families which perform similar functions.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 says “there is nothing new under the sun” This reflects the fact that many of the things we at first think are new are really conglomerations of old things. This applies to many of the ‘novel’ proteins in vertebrates which are really just new combinations of old protein domains. This provides a good debating tactic for IDers. When we don’t know much about a new structure or protein it can be claimed that it required an infusion of information from an intelligent source. But when we discover how random genomic events could have created this new entity it can be dismissed as not really new.

When one does a protein blast with humans one finds sharks with about 80% but as one gets closer to humans that number increases. The chimp protein is 100% identical. Its hard to explain why this would be the case for domains using ID since presumably the human HOX domain would work just as well in a shark. Its even harder for ID to explain the pattern of differences in the sequence between the domains since its function is to hold the domains together and an astronomically large number of aa sequences should suffice. Its also hard to explain why the pattern of difference would fit the same nested hierarchy build by assuming evolution from anatomy and the fossil record.

The pattern of differences between SATB1 and SATB2 are fairly easy to explain and I admit I don’t understand why they suggest an irreducibly complex system as you say. An ancestral SATB gene would have duplicated in the vertebrate common ancestor. In each lineage the 2 genes would have accumulated differences starting from that initial divergence. When 2 lineages split from each other the SATB1 and SATB2 genes would then start to accumulate differences from their homolog in the other species. This is a pretty straightforward explanation that explains the pattern. I don’t see how one could explain the same pattern in terms of ID.


new guy, i think

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,15:38   

So he should watch out for that guy with the hammer?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,21:51   

lots more dummies there lately by percentage. And I can't read that tarditry at the moment.

   
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,22:24   

I'm trying to come up with a "Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass" pun but nothing's happening.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,23:24   

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I'm trying to come up with a "Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass" pun but nothing's happening.

I'm sure someone can pitch you some ideas.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2017,23:47   

Quote (fnxtr @ July 14 2017,21:24)
I'm trying to come up with a "Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass" pun but nothing's happening.

Preaching to the choir?

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2017,02:11   

Quote (fnxtr @ July 14 2017,22:24)
I'm trying to come up with a "Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass" pun but nothing's happening.

Of course nothing's happening—you'd need four parts, and it wouldn't work if any of the four were missing, so such a pun would necessarily be Irreducibly Complex.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2017,10:53   

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polistraJuly 15, 2017 at 9:35 am
It’s not just the genome.

I’m putting together courseware based on a Neurology book, and in the process I’m learning all sorts of stuff that wasn’t known 10 years ago. The glial cells were considered to be padding until somebody looked closely. Now the glia are turning out to be a skilled and varied army of technicians taking care of the neurons.

Just one example: Oligodendrocytes spend their time knitting myelin sleeves around axons. Most of their work is done in childhood, but they remain around in case the sleeves start to unravel. If you wiped them out, you’d guarantee MS.


who is this UD commenter who knows anything about biology? It's weird.

I mean, I learned that stuff in HS A&P, but even that level of knowledge is unheard-of over there.

Edited by stevestory on July 15 2017,11:54

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2017,11:06   

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polistraJuly 15, 2017 at 9:35 am
It’s not just the genome.

I’m putting together courseware based on a Neurology book, and in the process I’m learning all sorts of stuff that wasn’t known 10 years ago. The glial cells were considered to be padding until somebody looked closely. Now the glia are turning out to be a skilled and varied army of technicians taking care of the neurons.

Just one example: Oligodendrocytes spend their time knitting myelin sleeves around axons. Most of their work is done in childhood, but they remain around in case the sleeves start to unravel. If you wiped them out, you’d guarantee MS.


who is this UD commenter who knows anything about biology? It's weird.

I mean, I learned that stuff in HS A&P, but even that level of knowledge is unheard-of over there.

Knowledge is a bannable offence.

  
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