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LarTanner



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2017,14:18   

Axel seems like a man at war with himself:
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Rancorous, truculent non-believers feel besieged by the truth, I suspect and have developed a hate-filled siege mentality, and don’t bitterly resent the intrusion of ‘inconvenient’ truths ; and particularly not the one that underpins all the others, and would turn their lives around through 180 degrees. And very akin to that is a failure to appreciate spiritual, moral beauty as sovereign, and ultimately to reject it.

They have my sympathy. Well, to a certain rather limited extent, admittedly. The other day, I mentally yelled at God at the top of my voice and shook both my fists at him, since, as I was saying one set of prayer, I felt him urging me to interrupt them for a more urgent one, and that on top of something else that was troubling me at the back of my mind – which I can’t remember. Fortunately, God does seem to cut me a lot of slack on occasions.

Sometimes I think Job might not have had it so bad – then I remember that he lost all his children, all so dear to him ; and above all, Job is held to be a figure of Christ himself, whose sufferings we can scarcely begin to imagine.
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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2017,16:00   

Quote (LarTanner @ June 27 2017,12:18)
Axel seems like a man at war with himself:
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Rancorous, truculent non-believers feel besieged by the truth, I suspect and have developed a hate-filled siege mentality, and don’t bitterly resent the intrusion of ‘inconvenient’ truths ; and particularly not the one that underpins all the others, and would turn their lives around through 180 degrees. And very akin to that is a failure to appreciate spiritual, moral beauty as sovereign, and ultimately to reject it.

They have my sympathy. Well, to a certain rather limited extent, admittedly. The other day, I mentally yelled at God at the top of my voice and shook both my fists at him, since, as I was saying one set of prayer, I felt him urging me to interrupt them for a more urgent one, and that on top of something else that was troubling me at the back of my mind – which I can’t remember. Fortunately, God does seem to cut me a lot of slack on occasions.

Sometimes I think Job might not have had it so bad – then I remember that he lost all his children, all so dear to him ; and above all, Job is held to be a figure of Christ himself, whose sufferings we can scarcely begin to imagine.
Link

I do enjoy being told what I think.  Especially by someone who knows me as well as Axel does.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2017,06:48   

Just in case you're thinking that UD has all the stupid ...    
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Charles Darwin accurately characterized his 1859 book on evolution as “one long argument.” That argument was based on several popular religious beliefs leading to faulty science. For example, throughout the volume Darwin’s ideas rely on a popular religious doctrine called utilitarianism, and in Chapter Six Darwin explicitly states that his theory would absolutely fail without it.

Cornelius, of course.

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2017,08:53   

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Just in case you're thinking that UD has all the stupid ...        
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Charles Darwin accurately characterized his 1859 book on evolution as “one long argument.” That argument was based on several popular religious beliefs leading to faulty science. For example, throughout the volume Darwin’s ideas rely on a popular religious doctrine called utilitarianism, and in Chapter Six Darwin explicitly states that his theory would absolutely fail without it.

Cornelius, of course.

Ring species

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2017,00:35   

Happy Canada day. 🇨🇦

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2017,02:40   

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As for evolution and climate science, these fields have been plagued by frauds and politicking since forever. See, for example, Jonathan Wells’s Zombie Science.
Indeed Denyse, indeed.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2017,11:24   

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Happy Canada day. 🇨🇦

Thanks a lot, eh.



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,12:55   

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EricMHJuly 3, 2017 at 8:29 am
Public schools are merely prisons for children, since child labor laws mean children cannot be productively employed during the day.
linky

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,13:08   

A surprise from Mung:  
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5 Mung July 1, 2017 at 9:32 pm

I have to agree with Seversky.

Even the most ardent Young Earth Creationist doesn’t go so far as to claim that all extant species were carried on The Ark. They all admit that extant species evolved from the original pairs on The Ark.

Perhaps Bethell means that there’s no evidence that modern species evolved from animals that were on The Ark. In that case, I agree with him.

In fact, Young Earth Creationism requires HYPER-evolution.

If there’s no evidence for evolution, there’s certainly no evidence for Young Earth Creationism.

 and
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7 Mung July 1, 2017 at 10:31 pm

Even Young Earth Creationists admit that evolution occurs.

Why would they do so if there is in fact “no evidence for evolution”?

That's a pretty unique thread - Mung as the voice of reason against the creationists!

Movie nite

Edited by CeilingCat on July 03 2017,13:15

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,14:11   

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EricMHJuly 3, 2017 at 8:29 am
Public schools are merely prisons for children, since child labor laws mean children cannot be productively employed during the day.
linky

Damn those leftist child labour laws!!! Life was so much better when we could force children to mine our coal.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,14:53   

Yeah, but that doesn't soot us anymore.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,15:29   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,
moral turpitude!

(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,15:58   

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EricMHJuly 3, 2017 at 8:29 am
Public schools are merely prisons for children, since child labor laws mean children cannot be productively employed during the day.
linky

It's standard libertarian policy statement. They oppose public schools and mandatory education.

The Twelve-Year Sentence

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,17:58   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,


(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

In KFspeak,  i think it stands for Foot/Note.  Some kind of Island dialect, I guess.

Edited by CeilingCat on July 03 2017,18:00

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...after reviewing the arguments, I’m inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE’s bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,21:32   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,


(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

In KFspeak,  i think it stands for Foot/Note.  Some kind of Island dialect, I guess.

The "standard" meaning is Further Note.  In Gordon's case, though, it's Fetch Nurse.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2017,23:18   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,


(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

In KFspeak,  i think it stands for Foot/Note.  Some kind of Island dialect, I guess.

The "standard" meaning is Further Note.  In Gordon's case, though, it's Fetch Nurse.

Further Nutjobbery, Futile Nattering...

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2017,07:20   

Quote (CeilingCat @ July 03 2017,13:08)
A surprise from Mung:    
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5 Mung July 1, 2017 at 9:32 pm

I have to agree with Seversky.

Even the most ardent Young Earth Creationist doesn’t go so far as to claim that all extant species were carried on The Ark. They all admit that extant species evolved from the original pairs on The Ark.

Perhaps Bethell means that there’s no evidence that modern species evolved from animals that were on The Ark. In that case, I agree with him.

In fact, Young Earth Creationism requires HYPER-evolution.

If there’s no evidence for evolution, there’s certainly no evidence for Young Earth Creationism.

 and  
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7 Mung July 1, 2017 at 10:31 pm

Even Young Earth Creationists admit that evolution occurs.

Why would they do so if there is in fact “no evidence for evolution”?

That's a pretty unique thread - Mung as the voice of reason against the creationists!

Movie nite

Mung's behavior in that thread is explicable under the hypothesis that Mung is solely interested in being a contrarian troll, a person who has neither a coherent position nor any interest in having such. As long as there's a dominant position to snipe at, Mung will snipe.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2017,09:15   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,
[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/academic-freedom/fft-gender-as-a-social-construct-what-is-the-vid-below-telling-us-on-where-our-intellectua

l-culture-has-now-reached/#comment-635022]moral turpitude![/URL]

(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

What the fuck does Moral Turpitude mean?

Based on KF's opinions, I think that this would refer to anyone who partakes of any sexual activity between married opposite sex couples for the sole purpose of procreation. In the missionary position, of course. And as long as there is no contact of genitalia with anything other than your partner's genitalia.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2017,09:17   

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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,
[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/academic-freedom/fft-gender-as-a-social-construct-what-is-the-vid-below-telling-us-on-where-our-intellectua


l-culture-has-now-reached/#comment-635022]moral turpitude![/URL]

(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

What the fuck does Moral Turpitude mean?

Based on KF's opinions, I think that this would refer to anyone who partakes of any sexual activity between married opposite sex couples for the sole purpose of procreation. In the missionary position, of course. And as long as there is no contact of genitalia with anything other than your partner's genitalia.

Sorry. I mean that it refers to the opposite of what I originally wrote.

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2017,15:51   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 04 2017,09:15)
 
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kairosfocus July 3, 2017 at 1:11 pm
F/N: A discussion of Moral Turpitude has high relevance to our test case,
[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/academic-freedom/fft-gender-as-a-social-construct-what-is-the-vid-below-telling-us-on-where-our-intellectua




l-culture-has-now-reached/#comment-635022]moral turpitude![/URL]

(what the fuck does 'F/N' mean?)

What the fuck does Moral Turpitude mean?

Sez Wikipedia: "The concept of 'moral turpitude' might escape precise definition, but it has been described as an 'act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man.'"
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Based on KF's opinions, I think that this would refer to anyone who partakes of any sexual activity between married opposite sex couples for the sole purpose of procreation. In the missionary position, of course. And as long as there is no contact of genitalia with anything other than your partner's genitalia.

Pretty much, yeah. It's an ill-defined Get Out Of Having-To-Justify-Yourself Free card for people who want to stick it to Them for no better reason than just because They are not We.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2017,09:19   

That's too many pronouns!  :p

  
rossum



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2017,14:17   

Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2017,09:19)
That's too many pronouns!  :p

He he he he he.  Oh...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2017,17:37   

Everyone's favorite human shit-stain Sal Cordova is the subject of a new thread at the Dense Place.  Sal interviews YEC wingnut, er, "brilliant scientific genius" John Sanford who makes the claim Darwin wasn't really a scientist.

Too stupid for words.  Read and risk your brain cells at your own peril.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2017,21:18   

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"Whenever humans try to “correct” what ID originally designed, it’s doomed to fail… GMOs are no different…"

That's what J-Mac had to say about GMOs in the Sanford thread. Science!

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2017,22:40   

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"Whenever humans try to “correct” what ID originally designed, it’s doomed to fail… GMOs are no different…"

That's what J-Mac had to say about GMOs in the Sanford thread. Science!

Except for eye glasses, bypass surgery, vaccines, Durham wheat, animal husbandry,...

But aside from these, what have the Romans ever done for us?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2017,09:52   

They invented Roman numerals?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2017,10:39   

Quote (clamboy @ July 05 2017,22:18)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 05 2017,17:37)
"Whenever humans try to “correct” what ID originally designed, it’s doomed to fail… GMOs are no different…"

That's what J-Mac had to say about GMOs in the Sanford thread. Science!

My dad nearly died at age 13 from a ruptured appendix.

Somehow the surgeon who corrected it was not doomed to fail.

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2017,10:45   

Quote (Henry J @ July 06 2017,09:52)
They invented Roman numerals?

Well, of course Roman numerals. And aqueducts, and sanitation, and irrigation, and the roads, and medicine, and education, and the wine.

But, other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2017,11:13   

Dionisio laments that evolution is science.  It raises questions, even as it finds answers.  Not like the divine ID:

 
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From the discussions in this website one can easily realize that the Darwinian paradigm faces many layers of challenges and none seem close to resolution. Therefore in the hypothetical case where one of the challenges gets resolved, there are more challenges waiting. The problem for the Darwinian ideas is that new discoveries may help to answer some outstanding questions while raising new ones.
It seems like a never-ending story.
The more we know, more we have to learn.
That’s the reality in modern biology.


That's the curse of "Darwinism," it leads to learning.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2017,20:14   

Re "That's the curse of "Darwinism," it leads to learning."

And, that might lead to, uh, thinking!  :p

  
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