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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:50   

This thread is for any further topics AFDave feels that he must expound upon. If AFDave opens any other topic, it will be deleted immediately upon notice.

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beervolcano



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:53   

Why?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,12:20   

Because nobody needs to create a whole topic more than occasionally. The rate of proliferation of topics by AFDave for no good reason is annoying in the "this requires moderation" sense.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,12:26   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 12 2006,17:20)
Because nobody needs to create a whole topic more than occasionally. The rate of proliferation of topics by AFDave for no good reason is annoying in the "this requires moderation" sense.

I actually agree. Basically Dave's threads are all 'about' the same thing, and he generally opens new threads whenever he accumulates too many questions he can't answer and he wants to start with a clean slate. There's no reason to have 3-4 open threads for one person's vanity.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,12:32   

I like opening new topics for news items. A bunch of people see them, and if they don't start a discussion, they slowly drift down the page and are gone.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,13:24   

AfDave's initiated some unnecessary threads a couple of times (its "updated hypothesis"), but it's nothing like Thordude who asked basically the same question in four or five differents threads.

I personaly think that Dave's doubts regarding chromosomal fusions and other patterns of primate evolution deserved their own threads.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,14:07   

Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2006,17:32)
I like opening new topics for news items. A bunch of people see them, and if they don't start a discussion, they slowly drift down the page and are gone.

I agree with that, in theory, except that AFDave doesn't really open new threads for new ideas. When it gets too hot, he abandons one and focuses on another, generally with some issue that's already been mentioned on one or two other threads. Besides, if one wants to keep one's thread from totally drifting off the front page, one can always go in and post something in it. That pops it right back to the top.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,14:15   

Oh, yeah, I didn't mean to imply that's what Dave does. I was just making a general comment.

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,14:23   

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I personaly think that Dave's doubts regarding chromosomal fusions and other patterns of primate evolution deserved their own threads.


And if someone with better judgement cares to open a thread that is about the topic of chromosomal changes in evolution, and not just about AFDave's particular disagreements, then that would likely be peachy.

But this is a moderation issue, not a topic of discussion itself, at least not here.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,17:19   

I support this and obviously I am one who has really found afdave's dishonest agenda irritating (yet I keep mouthing off to his nonsense, go figure).  

And you're saying this thread is entirely for afdave's benefit, so it is not like he ie being banned or not allowed to speak his mind.  He can only throw up in one corner now and not the entire living room.

Sounds reasonable.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,17:39   

Which reminds me, Dave: when are you going to start providing affirmative evidence for your "god" hypothesis?

Poking what you think are holes in the evidence for evolution doesn't count. We want to see some evidence for your hypothesis, not against someone else's theory.

Dave? DaveÖ?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,21:14   

Evidence for god?

What was the torture device in Hitchhikers guide where you could see yourself at scale in the universe? anyone remember? I couldn't find a google link in a quick search. Somehow, it reminds me of evidence for god.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,21:34   

That would be the Total Perspective Vortex.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,22:15   

Quote (BWE @ May 13 2006,02:14)
Evidence for god?

What was the torture device in Hitchhikers guide where you could see yourself at scale in the universe? anyone remember? I couldn't find a google link in a quick search. Somehow, it reminds me of evidence for god.

Ah, so Zaphod really is God.

Bob
P.S. is it only the radio series that explains how Zaphod survived the Total Perspective Vortex?  And no I'm not telling: get the CDs yourselves!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,05:44   

I'm fine if you delete the following threads ...

"Cain's Wife"
"Chimp Chromo"
oldest "Creator God Hypothesis"
I consider these to be done.

I only want 2 open currently ...

"Ape Questions" and
"UPDATED Creator God Hypothesis"

I will also re-read you rules and comply.

I want to offer you and Steve and whoever else may be responsible my sincere thanks for creating a forum like this where "Anti-Evolution" and related topics may be discussed.

In spite of a few insults and attacks on me, there have been a large number of nice people who have had good things to say.

Thanks again!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,06:03   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 12 2006,16:50)
This thread is for any further topics AFDave feels that he must expound upon. If AFDave opens any other topic, it will be deleted immediately upon notice.

Do you have a "merge threads" option?  We used to on VBull, and used it all the time

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,07:05   

I looked on swarf.net, and they actually had a merge topics hack for iB 3.0.x. So I've installed it. Thanks for the nudge.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,08:02   

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I want to offer you and Steve and whoever else may be responsible my sincere thanks for creating a forum like this where "Anti-Evolution" and related topics may be discussed.

Wesley's the one to thank, I just hang out here and bite ankles.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,11:13   

Quote (stevestory @ May 13 2006,13:02)
Wesley's the one to thank, I just hang out here and bite ankles.

The Board Corgi?  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,00:50   

Steve Story said ...
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I like opening new topics for news items. A bunch of people see them, and if they don't start a discussion, they slowly drift down the page and are gone.


So this is not allowed any more?  I would like to do this occasionally also ... but I would not do it more than once a week ... probably less than that

I see Mr Christopher has 3 of these open right now

Jeannot said ...
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I personaly think that Dave's doubts regarding chromosomal fusions and other patterns of primate evolution deserved their own threads.


Wesley--

again you can delete these 3 if you like ...
"Cain's Wife"
"Chimp Chromo"
original "Creator God Hypothesis"

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And if someone with better judgement cares to open a thread that is about the topic of chromosomal changes in evolution, and not just about AFDave's particular disagreements, then that would likely be peachy.


So I don't have good judgment (other than I don't support Common Design Theory)?  What criteria do I need to meet to be able to start a new topic?  (not that I need one now -- I only need the two I specified -- but several people have asked me off-topic questions in my threads and at some point, it would be appropriate to start a new thread and answer them if I have time.)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,07:03   

Davey, Davey, Davey,

The problem is that you are NOT answering questions even in the original thread, let alone a new one. You are just telling us what your pastor told you to think. We already know that stuff. In fact, some of the people here could have a deeper discussion of Biblical matters that your pastor probably could.

You are trying to poke holes in minutia and claiming that you are making inroads. You pop a bubble and claim that the bubble machine is not full of soap.

At first, I thought you might be truly thinking that you would like to be educated but that thought quickly evaporated. Preach away buddy. You can join the ranks of the provincial god's last gasps. The unfortunate fact is, you need to be able to modify your spiritual practices to include  the ability to assimilate evidence. Don't get rid of them, we wouldn't want you to lose all your moral guidance and start raping and killing, but modify them.

You are telling us that you know something. well prove it. Answer that list of questions I asked. Because those are the foundation of the kind of science that you want to be able to critique. But do you walk in to your shop teacher and tell him that you have just proved that a table saw doesn't "actually" make straight cuts?

Your appologetics get lame as soon as you delve into them. Your questions have been answered. You just refused to recognize that. Don't talk about genetics like you know anything about it because it just makes you look dumb.

Want to debate the age of the Earth? That might be a better place for you to start. The info is a lot more managable for a guy like you. Maybe you should start there. Then move on to a geologic timeline- You know, so you can get a sense of proportion.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,08:53   

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So I don't have good judgment (other than I don't support Common Design Theory)?


In the matter of considering quantity of topics opened versus quality, no, in my opinion you do not, based upon what you have chosen to do with the privileges granted to you by default.

A topic should have a specific concept at issue, but only rarely should a topic revolve around one particular participant's views or be defined in just that way. Whatever else you may or may not learn here, you will come to understand that this is the "After the Bar Closes forum", not the "AFDave forum".

If you think something deserves its own topic, use a personal message to one of your correspondents to ask them to consider opening a suitable topic. This isn't rocket science.

And then re-read the part of the board rules about discussion of moderation issues being annoying, and possibly excessively annoying. That should be plain enough.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on May 14 2006,13:53

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,05:12   

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I like opening new topics for news items.


You probably should check to make sure the NewsBot hasn't gotten there first:

Intelligent Design News

Evolutionary Biology News

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,12:44   

The Newsbot seems to have gone away around the middle of last month.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,14:04   

Arggh. I'll check into it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,17:09   

Ah, I see the bot is back. Why does it sometimes make two entries for the same story?

Henry

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,17:49   

Because I don't have a database of news stories to check against, and sometimes a news story will trigger multiple Google alerts that I have going.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2006,09:30   

Quote (afdave @ May 14 2006,05:50)
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And if someone with better judgement cares to open a thread that is about the topic of chromosomal changes in evolution, and not just about AFDave's particular disagreements, then that would likely be peachy.


So I don't have good judgment (other than I don't support Common Design Theory)? †What criteria do I need to meet to be able to start a new topic? †(not that I need one now -- I only need the two I specified -- but several people have asked me off-topic questions in my threads and at some point, it would be appropriate to start a new thread and answer them if I have time.)

I don't think your lack of agreement with modern  science earned you this thread, but rather your profoundly dishonest motives and the fact that it is obvious you have no intention of ever providing any evidence for the fantastic, insulting and ridiculous claims you (AIG) make does not work to your benefit at all.  

You make unsupported assertions here and ignore requests to provide any evidence.  You want others to play by a set of rules (provide legitimate evidence) yet you grant yourself the right to ignore those rules you expect others here to abide by.  

Your children (and mine) have a word for a person who operates like that.  They're called cheaters.  You (rightfully) expect others here to deal from the top of the deck while you deal from the bottom.  

afdave, you're a garden variety troll by any other name.  No big deal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2016,17:18   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 06 2016,12:57)
Quote (Lethean @ Sep. 06 2016,12:22)
Over on TalkRational, Hawkins starts a thread where he claims to be "researching" the possibility that "the ancients" (by which he means Seth the son of Adam) had advanced knowledge of the natural world including its size and oblateness.

No, really.

Having gone way off the reservation into woo-meister number-wanking territory he makes this rather odd assertion.

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In fact, evidence has been increasing in recent decades that mankind had at least as much knowledge of the natural world as did Eratosthenes even as far back as 4500 years ago.

No it hasn't.

Something I've noticed about Dave:  When talking about amounts of evidence, he loves to make claims about the evidence "increasing".

It doesn't matter to him if the evidence is less than 0.01% of the amount needed to begin to take the idea seriously.  As long as that tiny amount of evidence represents an INCREASE over whatever it was previously, then he imagines that the amount of evidence has some sort of momentum, and will thus continue to increase to the point where it eventually becomes overwhelming.

Apparently, he's not concerned with the overall weight of evidence; he's concerned with the rate of change of the overall weight of evidence.

(Never mind that he can't support even his claims about that rate of change.  That's another issue.)


The reason I said that in this instance was because I've referred to the Wiki article on Eratosthenes several times over the years and I don't remember EVER reading that he got anywhere close to 1% of the true circumference value.  I think that was a "fringe view" 10 years ago.  Now it's in the Wiki article and hasn't been removed by Wesley Elsberry's goons.


Wesley, if this is a paid position I'd like an application if you don't mind.

I wish I were in a position to pay people to do useful stuff, though I think I would refer to y'all in somewhat more positive terms than "goons".

About Hawkins... just because Wikipedia hadn't until recently explicitly noted that certain old estimates of the earth's size weren't too shabby doesn't mean that the appreciation of it is recent. And he apparently still is upset over the little contretemps we had over the possibility of new alleles being produced via recombination, which played out in part in the editing of the Wikipedia article.

Hi Wesley!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2016,17:20   

Wow.  I've been moved to a new cell.  I wonder if there's a bathroom in this one!

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