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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,01:12   

After glancing at Essence of irony over on UD, I wondered if Wikipedia had committed other grievous errors against leading lights of the "ID is Science" community.

I found this!

Dave, I'm shocked. A conspiracy of silence, indeed.

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,01:30   

PS

In case Dave Springer would like to justify his claims about Wikipedia, and if anyone wants to add a comment, I opened a thread here.

  
phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:15   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1824
     
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Intelligent design and popular culture: Uncool film wins in Toronto
by O'Leary on December 1st, 2006 · 2 Comments

Oh, so O'Leary is going to talk about a film based on ID.

     
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Of a recent indie anti-abortion film, Robert Novak writes,

Oh, abortion. I guess there is a part in the film about ID, then.
   
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Materialists, it seems, cannot count on the support of the public, not even in secular Toronto. Give the people a vote and everything’s lost.

Nothing in the film about ID. O well, I guess we'll try to tie it into ID somehow. Of course. Darwinism always makes women have abortions. And Darwinists hate democracy. That should do it. Now we have something to post about.

     
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The question he raises is, will they be allowed by the Hollywood-based distribution system to see it?

Now, this is an actual problem. There are so many indie films out there that are not distributed to the major theaters. You might be able to see them if you live in a town that has an indie theater, but most people will never see these films, unless they can find them on video, which isn't guaranteed.

This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with money. (Sometimes it has something to do with politics, e.g. Fahrenheit 9/11, which was still distributed, btw) That doesn't stop O'Leary from insinuating that there is some sort of conspiracy against films with conservative messages, though.

     
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And they want my help when I have no help to give them - unless they want to confront the issues. But what they all actually want to do is explain them away. And that will wash no more.

Yes, there will be no more explaining away of ID claims.

Let's see. They don't want to confront the issues, but when they do want to confront the issues, all they do is explain away our claims. They just refuse to blindly accept some pseudoscientific nonsense based on our religious beliefs. It's really frustrating.

It's so frustrating that I conclude my post with stuff like this:
     
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Any media source that cannot deal with what is really happening here just isn’t where the action is, no matter how many tattoos the journo sports or how many different kind of drugs he does.

When people sport tatoos and do drugs, that usually means they are where the action is, since drugs and tatoos are the ultimate result of Darwinian thinking. Oh, and abortion. What were we talking about again?

Oh, yeah. Science.

Well, we ID scientists have done so much science lately that we need a break. We should make a movie.
   
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I would love to help write the screenplay for a film about the ID community.

I don't know, Ms. O'Leary. Do you have enough tatoos and have you done enough drugs to know where the action is?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:28   

Writing like Denyse: Can you do it? Richardthughes has her disjointed style down; but what of the many links back to her crap blogs?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:28   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Dec. 01 2006,01:30)
PS

In case Dave Springer would like to justify his claims about Wikipedia, and if anyone wants to add a comment, I opened a thread here.

Falan:

Your unflagging optimism about human nature is a wonder to behold.  :p

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:39   

Quote (phonon @ Dec. 01 2006,11:15)
Any media source that cannot deal with what is really happening here just isn’t where the action is, no matter how many tattoos the journo sports or how many different kind of drugs he does.

Yeah, that's why I always used to watch World News Tonight--Peter Jennings's '8-ball' tattoos and habitual meth use told me that he was the 'journo' who knew where the action is. F&%$ is wrong with that woman?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:51   

Quote (phonon @ Dec. 01 2006,11:15)
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I would love to help write the screenplay for a film about the ID community.

"An epic retelling of creationism's most tragic blunder, the movie meticulously depicts the ambitious plan which resulted in more Discovery Institute casualties than the entire Edwards vs Aguillard trial. Painstakingly recreated on actual courtroom and shortbus locations and boasting a remarkable all-star cast, the film accurately recaptures the monumental scope, excitement and danger behind one of the biggest political gambles in history. You'll never forget the look on the Discovery Institute faces when Bill Buckingham swallows a bunch of pills and heads for the microphones...the moment they realized they had gone...


A TARD TOO FAR

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,10:55   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 01 2006,10:28)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Dec. 01 2006,01:30)
PS

In case Dave Springer would like to justify his claims about Wikipedia, and if anyone wants to add a comment, I opened a thread here.

Falan:

Your unflagging optimism about human nature is a wonder to behold.  :p

Hope for the best, expect the tard.

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slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,11:44   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 30 2006,18:25)
On the Wikipedia thread here, Patrick claimed he too has been grievously wronged.  Within a Wikipedia article on the vermiform appendix, this originally appeared:
           
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One explanation has been that the appendix is a remnant of an earlier function, with no current purpose.

Patrick substituted a much more detailed essay on the possible functions of the appendix, which began thusly:
           
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For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults....

But ALAS!  He was almost immediately reverted, and his post identified as vandalism.

He wasn't entirely unappreciated, however.  Other sycophants at UD commented upon Patrick's erudition:
           
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bFast // Nov 30th 2006 at 5:00 pm

Patrick, your knowledge of the appendix is incredible. I bet that if I assembled all of the physicians in my local hospital, they would not know as much as you about this appendage.

But Patrick is modest:
           
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Not really “impressive”, I just spent the time to look into it. The problem is that the common view of the appendix is so entrenched that it’s become dogma. And information contrary to the dogma is buried under everything else (see TalkOrigins for example).

On a hunch, I googled the sentence, in quotes, "For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function."  This turned up a 1999 "Ask the Experts: Medicine" response on Scientific American.com - which happens to be the revolutionary appendix essay Patrick posted on Wikipedia, word for vermiform word. See: Sci Am

The original was penned by Loren G. Martin, professor of physiology at Oklahoma State University. The article, or portions of it, is repeated here and there across the net (blogs and so on), including Patrick's repeat post at Overbearing Ungulates.  Where he again fails to credit the author.  

Way to go Patrick!  See, there is research going on within the ID community.  Not to mention a good deal of cutting and pasting.  

And good work digging up information hidden from us - buried, no less - DEEP within the vaults of Scientific American.

Incredible?  Impressive?  Try, "ridiculous."

What is worse is 'bfast's' drooling admiration of the plagiarist...

Pathetic.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,12:36   

I'm sorta speechless.  This must be the ID movement's soundtrack.

Scroll down to bleeding fish to enter the abyss.

 
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3. Atom // Dec 1st 2006 at 11:30 am

More ID Pop-culture:

Achilles by Atom tha Immortal

We strike Achilles at his heel/
We strike the modern man like Gregor Mendel, meddling with his alleles/
Wounds of Darwinian Theory will never heal/
Once the population finds Intelligent Design/
Enzymes hold the signs of a Divine Mind/
Darwinian speculation is useless/
To explain emergence/
Of cellular machines below the surface/
Seeing Specified Complexity points to a purpose/
Of a system of integrated parts/
Excluding chance as part/
Of how it could ever start/
So/
I speak with truth and in reason/
But whether you believe or not/
We leave Darwinian fish bleeding/

Is it me?  I'm having a little trouble wrapping my head around "Darwinian fish bleeding."

I'm not sure how much street cred you're going to earn with "Seeing Specified Complexity points to a purpose."

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,12:52   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 01 2006,10:51)
   
Quote (phonon @ Dec. 01 2006,11:15)
     
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I would love to help write the screenplay for a film about the ID community.

"An epic retelling of creationism's most tragic blunder,the movie meticulously depicts the ambitious plan which resulted in more Discovery Institute casualties than the entire Edwards vs Aguillard trial. Painstakingly recreated on actual courtroom and shortbus locations and boasting a remarkable all-star cast, the film accurately recaptures the monumental scope, excitement and danger behind one of the biggest political gambles in history. You'll never forget the look on the Discovery Institute faces when Bill Buckingham swallows a bunch of pills and heads for the microphones...the moment they realized they had gone...


A TARD TOO FAR


It's already been done as a short, but if she wants to do a full-length feature, I certainly hope she doesn't forget to at least include this clip of ol' Bill.

Oh, and I expect a credit in the end titles....

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,12:59   

[Song: 'The Old Landmark']

(Dancing and singing, Jake is trembling)

Elwood: Jake, you alright?


(A ray of Light shines through the church onto Jake)


Jake: The band... The band!
Reverend: Do you see the Light?
Jake: The band!
Reverend: Do you see the Light?
Elwood: What light?
Reverend: Have you seen the Light?
Jake: Yes, yes! Jesus H. tapdancin' Christ, I have seen the Light!


(Jake starts dancing)

Jake: The band, Elwood. The band!
Elwood: The band? ... the band. The band? The band!
Reverend: Praise God.
Elwood: And God bless the United States of America!

http://www.nederpoparchief.nl/bluesbrothers/script_c.html

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:05   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 01 2006,12:36)
I'm not sure how much street cred you're going to earn with "Seeing Specified Complexity points to a purpose."

Well, you've got to run it through gizoogle first.

Try this.

"Weed-smokin' Specified Complexity points ta a purpose".

Word.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:09   

This little exchange:

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Michaels7 // Dec 1st 2006 at 1:35 pm

Atom,

I published part of those song lyrics here before. You got talent kid  Explosive, energetic and boldly in-your-face lyrics that are thought-provoking for youth culture today looking up to rap and hip hop poppers.

What do you consider your music to be? Industrial techno-rap? Pure form? I don’t keep up with the music scene like I use to.

Smiles…. revelation rap?

Comment by Michaels7 — December 1, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
6. Atom // Dec 1st 2006 at 1:58 pm

haha, thanks Michaels7. I don’t know what to classify my music as…definitely hip-hop, but I include lots of different elements.

And as always, the lyrics must be intentionally designed to get my point across and make people think. With all the bias against ID, I figured I’d show people directly that I support it and how it make more sense than alternative theories. Hopefully the kids will think it is cool.

Comment by Atom — December 1, 2006 @ 1:58 pm


from here: http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1824#comment-78809

It's utter shoite, Atom. Sorry.

Speaking of shoite, who can name these two improbable bedmates in this mashup?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:11   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 01 2006,12:36)
I'm sorta speechless.  This must be the ID movement's soundtrack.

It simply drips with dumb.

Rich,

Enya and Prodigy?

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“Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:28   

Re: O'Leary post

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Uncool film wins in Toronto


Well, I replied at UD so let’s see if it appears. I meant it as a sincere attempt at dialogue. (My computer seems to be fritzing, too.)

I’m more confused by Denyse than ever considering I agree with her about the breathtaking vacuity of shopping malls and most popular Hollywood films. I hate shopping malls and haven’t set foot in the MOA in years. My ‘hood is full of little churches holding festivals all the time and guess who’s polka-ing with the Christians every year? As for Hollywood, I can’t watch that crap. Our tastes run toward independent films, art-house stuff, documentaries, and silent movies.

This film intrigues me and I agree that it should be released in America. I also recommend a small independent film (but it’s in French) called “Jesus of Montreal”. So what’s Denyse talking about when she rails against the materialists? Me? Well, I suppose I am a materialist according to one definition (naturalism), but then she ascribes to materialists qualities that I don’t have. Jeepers, isn’t it possible that there are some things that make us “materialists” human? I like pretty rainbows as much as Bill Dembski does. That a rainbow has a natural, as opposed to supernatural, explanation doesn’t detract from it for me. (I certainly preferred the company of the sensitive boy from Bible study than the louts who, once released, ran around the church grounds in search of small animals to torture.)

If there’s anybody who I don’t feel I have anything in common with, it’s the former high-school jocks who, I suspect, picked on both the fledgling ID advocates and upon art-science geeks like me in the school hallway, and now have become insurance salesmen who don’t give a crap about either science or intelligent design! ;) Those are the materialists in my view (literally, because jocks tend to not age well), not nerdy-geeky opponents like me of nerdy-geeky creationists.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:44   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 01 2006,13:11)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 01 2006,12:36)
I'm sorta speechless.  This must be the ID movement's soundtrack.

It simply drips with dumb.

Rich,

Enya and Prodigy?

Correct.

Ah, 'smack my bitch up', happy memories*




*happy evilutionists moral-relativism Darwinistic orthodoxoy memories.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:45   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 01 2006,13:36)
More ID Pop-culture:

Achilles by Atom tha Immortal

We strike Achilles at his heel...

Ho-ho man. That's some good stuff. Atom the Immortal has a myspace page, btw.

http://www.myspace.com/atomthaimmortal

mysteriously, it appears he has not yet been signed to a record label. Maybe Dembski could start like 'Polyani Records'. And then they could use Overwhelming Evidence as like an online Tiger Beat. You know, because of all the cool teenagers who've migrated to that site.

   
Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:47   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 01 2006,13:28)
Re: O'Leary post

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Uncool film wins in Toronto


Well, I replied at UD so let’s see if it appears. I meant it as a sincere attempt at dialogue. (My computer seems to be fritzing, too.)

I’m more confused by Denyse than ever considering I agree with her about the breathtaking vacuity of shopping malls and most popular Hollywood films. I hate shopping malls and haven’t set foot in the MOA in years. My ‘hood is full of little churches holding festivals all the time and guess who’s polka-ing with the Christians every year? As for Hollywood, I can’t watch that crap. Our tastes run toward independent films, art-house stuff, documentaries, and silent movies.

This film intrigues me and I agree that it should be released in America. I also recommend a small independent film (but it’s in French) called “Jesus of Montreal”. So what’s Denyse talking about when she rails against the materialists? Me? Well, I suppose I am a materialist according to one definition (naturalism), but then she ascribes to materialists qualities that I don’t have. Jeepers, isn’t it possible that there are some things that make us “materialists” human? I like pretty rainbows as much as Bill Dembski does. That a rainbow has a natural, as opposed to supernatural, explanation doesn’t detract from it for me. (I certainly preferred the company of the sensitive boy from Bible study than the louts who, once released, ran around the church grounds in search of small animals to torture.)

If there’s anybody who I don’t feel I have anything in common with, it’s the former high-school jocks who, I suspect, picked on both the fledgling ID advocates and upon art-science geeks like me in the school hallway, and now have become insurance salesmen who don’t give a crap about either science or intelligent design! ;) Those are the materialists in my view (literally, because jocks tend to not age well), not nerdy-geeky opponents like me of nerdy-geeky creationists.

Denyse O'Leary strikes me as a less vitriolic and less coherent version of Ann Coulter. Just substitute "materialist" for "liberal".

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:56   

Michaels7:

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You got talent kid


Translation:

Oh my..ethnic music. I'd better use some jive. I'll drop the " 've " from "you've".You got talent daddio! Do they still say daddio? Cat? oh my, how do those kids speak these days? Kids! that's it. You got talent kid. Should I add "word!"? Probably not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,14:07   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 01 2006,13:44)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 01 2006,13:11)


Rich,

Enya and Prodigy?

Correct.

Ah, 'smack my bitch up', happy memories*




*happy evilutionists moral-relativism Darwinistic orthodoxoy memories.

Alas, Rich.

Turns out I never did get your link to work.

Truth is, I read the link target.

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 01 2006,13:45)
Atom the Immortal has a myspace page, btw.


So does my daughter, KaylaFace, and by extension so do I (to keep an eye on things of course).

But JanieBelle doesn't.....



yet.

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Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,14:22   

Via Gizoogle:

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You is on a roll, Denyse.

Two bootylicious ones in a row.

Comment by tribune7 — Brotha 1, 2006 @ 8:01 am


:D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

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"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,14:27   

Hey, my comment appeared!

Despite the fact that my $%#&* computer is totally wigging and I got a strange Wordpress error several times (a 'puter with 'tude, just like Ms. Dewey).

Anybody else having problems with pages loading, either at UD or here? 'Cause I'm about to lose my mind.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,14:38   



Reverend: Do you see the Light?
Elwood: What light?
Reverend: Have you seen the Light?
Jake: Yes, yes! Jesus H. tapdancin' Christ, I have seen the Light! WE'LL MAKE A MOVIE! We'll have ID RAP! THE KIDS WILL GO WILD! DARWINISMS HAS MET ITS WATERLOO!
Elwood: (injects a syringe of Thorazine into Jake's neck) #### hallucinogens! I warned you not to take the purple microdot, Jake!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,14:45   

Kristine: Yep, and on a couple of other sites, too. Curious. Maybe it's the RAP-TURE!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,15:29   

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Kristine: Yep, and on a couple of other sites, too. Curious. Maybe it's the RAP-TURE!


What, all the MAC-ies got sucked up to heaven, leaving us PC users behind? :D

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,16:03   

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Denyse O'Leary strikes me as a less vitriolic and less coherent version of Ann Coulter. Just substitute "materialist" for "liberal".


At the risk of violating Godwin's Law, I say: just substitute "materialist" for "Jew" and you get the reason why I though this post deserved an answer despite what I think of a blog like UD.

I was willing to lose an argument for the sake of human consideration and to regard an opponent as a person. I ask the same of Denyse O’Leary. I am tired of her dehumanizing tactics.  I’m not sure what O’Leary is trying to accomplish other than to whip up hatred when she waves this “materialist” flag in a manner that makes it sound like her infidels are just a bunch of nihilists who hate puppies and small children and everything nice. Is that what they're reduced to? I thought that after Dover it was "back to the lab."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,16:23   

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I thought that after Dover it was "back to the lab."


You mean "let's try the lab"
You can only frame "we don't fully understand it (yet) so god did it" so many ways.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,16:28   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 01 2006,16:03)
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Denyse O'Leary strikes me as a less vitriolic and less coherent version of Ann Coulter. Just substitute "materialist" for "liberal".


At the risk of violating Godwin's Law, I say: just substitute "materialist" for "Jew" and you get the reason why I though this post deserved an answer despite what I think of a blog like UD.

I was willing to lose an argument for the sake of human consideration and to regard an opponent as a person. I ask the same of Denyse O’Leary. I am tired of her dehumanizing tactics.  I’m not sure what O’Leary is trying to accomplish other than to whip up hatred when she waves this “materialist” flag in a manner that makes it sound like her infidels are just a bunch of nihilists who hate puppies and small children and everything nice. Is that what they're reduced to? I thought that after Dover it was "back to the lab."

They have no labs. That's the whole problem. It's never been about anything but the 'culture wars'. How else do you think someone as monumentally ignorant of science as Denyse can bring herself to write about evolution with a straight face? It's a socio-religious movement, not a scientific one.

They failed as a science, they failed in the courts, their whole agenda is DOA. So all they have left is 'Darwinists/atheists/liberals are wicked'. (Which is where it's always been for Denyse anyway.) Expect to see lots more of that for the next several years, until they start wandering away out of futility.

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They have no labs. That's the whole problem.


Arden, certainly I know that! And I knew it when I asked Dembski in an e-mail about that in the process of proposing a bet to him. No reply. (That’s rude, by the way.)

Whenever I ask a sincere question about this stupid fight about this vacuum called intelligent design, I get a whole lot of nothing. Well, I guess that’s appropriate—ask a nothing question…

But I’m losing my patience on the theology front, too. I happen to be very well-schooled in Christian theology. After all, when I had to go to Bible study every week so that I could be confirmed, I went—I didn’t sneak out and do drugs and get a tattoo and get preggers and be the drain on American morals that O’Leary would accuse me of being (she who’s probably never had an emotion that wasn’t sactioned by the church). They didn't know I was an atheist. I was alone. That's how I know that I was one. Yet I got confirmed. Them's the rules, when you live in your parents' house.

I must be one #### of an actress because despite the fact that I asked the most challenging questions in Bible study the pastors thought I was fabulous (compared to the rest of the girls who thought it unladylike to have an opinion, and the boys, most of whom just slumped in their chairs until they could escape to go torture small animals).

It’s all very well for the folks at UD to long for the right people to show interest, but—hello, Dembski, O’Leary & Friends—who happens to be showing interest is me. Here I am! Showing interest! Has anyone answered my post at UD today? No. Of course, I have major problems with ID, and I make that clear, so why respond to me? Even when I’m making an effort to articulate my problems with this stuff in a mature, respectful manner?

When Dembski talks about the degradation of once-perfect design (the latest explain-it-away tactic) it sounds like he’s describing his own lost dreams for intelligent design theory itself. Well, I can understand that—we all have dreams that don’t pan out. My own life is largely a disappointment to me. But it is simply not fair to project one’s own dashed hopes into a globalized theory about how everything was designed and that design is “degrading.” The world is always ending for somebody--but it's always beginning for somebody else. Apocalyptic dreams are selfish--more selfish, even, than "selfish genes."

/rant off

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