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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,06:20    Quote 447 PindiJune 23, 2017 at 5:05 am J-mac, I think a relationship between a human and a chimp, may be rich and rewarding, just as relationship between a human and a dog can be. But marriage implies an equality, a meeting of minds and a mutual understanding. If you think that’s possible with a chimp, then, I don’t know what to think. My impulse is to think you are very strange. But then Jane Goodal might relate to what you’re saying. Although even she I don’t think would go so far as to suggest human – chimp marriage was a legitimate question. So on balance, I think perhaps you might want to talk to a mental health professional about your thoughts on that.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,06:54    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 22 2017,20:18) It is with a sad heart that I announce the demise of Kmidpuddle. He was much too young to die, but that dreaded perverse sexuality will shorten the life span. And so will mentioning masturbation, oral sex and anal sex on a KF thread. That's a pity.  And J-Mac is just getting into bestiality, too. For the record, I have no objections to J-Mac fucking a chimpanzee, so long as it's ok with the chimp.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,07:11    There's a lot of other gold in comment 435:   Quote Scalise never argued that homosexual unions shouldn’t be considered marriage because gay sex renders people incapable of valor or selflessness. Nor has he ever suggested that gay marriage should be illegal because gay people don’t deserve to have their lives protected. Like most conservatives, he’s argued that, because homosexual unions are incapable of procreation, they’re incapable of being what marriage is.  So Congressman Scalise will introduce bills forbidding marriage to all post-menopausal women and anyone who is known to be sterile. Also,     Quote So expecting her courage to change his position is just as illogical as expecting Pope Francis to convert to Lutheranism simply because a German mechanic fixed the papal golf cart…   However, he might allow the mechanic to marry and do other normal things, even though he us an "out" mechanic. Edited by CeilingCat on June 23 2017,07:13

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,07:29    Quote (Cubist @ June 22 2017,06:11) John C Wright happens to be an author who 'benefited' greatly from the nominations-rigging chicanery of the Sad/Rabid Puppies in the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention. Dude got 3 (three!) Best Novella nominations; 1 Best Short Story nomination; and 1 Best Related Work nomination. Alas, all five of Wright's nominated works were in categories won by No Award. The Rabid Puppies got one of Wright's short stories on the ballot this year, too.  I can't find it available online but I got it as part of the Hugo packet.  I don't recommend spending the $4.99 for the book that it's in. It starts off with a bit of promise but quickly descends into a screed that would fit in just fine at UD, including the line "A design implies a designer." Edited by Patrick on June 23 2017,08:30

rossum Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,08:51    Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2017,06:20) Quote 447 PindiJune 23, 2017 at 5:05 am ... But marriage implies an equality ... Equality?  Not Biblical marriage then.  Can't have equality when the male is superior to the female and she must obey him. -------------- The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,08:57    Quote (rossum @ June 23 2017,06:51) Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2017,06:20)   Quote 447 PindiJune 23, 2017 at 5:05 am ... But marriage implies an equality ... Equality?  Not Biblical marriage then.  Can't have equality when the male is superior to the female and she must obey him. Rachel = 7 years of goat herding. See the EQUAL sign there? Harrumph. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

LarTanner Posts: 36 Joined: Dec. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,09:17    Quote (Cubist @ June 22 2017,18:22) Hello, LarTanner! You may want to petition this site's Gracious Admins for an edit button. Those aren't given out willy-nilly, for reasons which should be clear. As soon as I recover from the embarrassment of posting a shitty comment three times.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,09:40    Quote (Patrick @ June 23 2017,07:29)     Quote (Cubist @ June 22 2017,06:11) John C Wright happens to be an author who 'benefited' greatly from the nominations-rigging chicanery of the Sad/Rabid Puppies in the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention. Dude got 3 (three!) Best Novella nominations; 1 Best Short Story nomination; and 1 Best Related Work nomination. Alas, all five of Wright's nominated works were in categories won by No Award. The Rabid Puppies got one of Wright's short stories on the ballot this year, too.  I can't find it available online but I got it as part of the Hugo packet.  I don't recommend spending the $4.99 for the book that it's in. It starts off with a bit of promise but quickly descends into a screed that would fit in just fine at UD, including the line "A design implies a designer." I might buy the book if      Quote Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock (self-published) was in it, though. Edited to add:  I withdraw that offer to purchase.  I see it's one of the Dead Puppies books.  Strange, it seems a little too sophisticated for anything having to do with Vox Day. Edited by CeilingCat on June 23 2017,09:48

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,09:53    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 23 2017,10:40) Quote (Patrick @ June 23 2017,07:29)       Quote (Cubist @ June 22 2017,06:11) John C Wright happens to be an author who 'benefited' greatly from the nominations-rigging chicanery of the Sad/Rabid Puppies in the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention. Dude got 3 (three!) Best Novella nominations; 1 Best Short Story nomination; and 1 Best Related Work nomination. Alas, all five of Wright's nominated works were in categories won by No Award. The Rabid Puppies got one of Wright's short stories on the ballot this year, too.  I can't find it available online but I got it as part of the Hugo packet.  I don't recommend spending the $4.99 for the book that it's in. It starts off with a bit of promise but quickly descends into a screed that would fit in just fine at UD, including the line "A design implies a designer." I might buy the book if        Quote Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock (self-published) was in it, though. Edited to add:  I withdraw that offer to purchase.  I see it's one of the Dead Puppies books.  Strange, it seems a little too sophisticated for anything having to do with Vox Day. Lucky for you, it seems to be free on Amazon! ETA:  It's only free if you have Kindle Unlimited.  Otherwise it's 99 cents. Edited by Patrick on June 23 2017,10:55

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,10:02    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 22 2017,20:18) It is with a sad heart that I announce the demise of Kmidpuddle. He was much too young to die, but that dreaded perverse sexuality will shorten the life span. And so will mentioning masturbation, oral sex and anal sex on a KF thread. Has he been silently banned, or did he just decide enough was enough, and retire?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,11:21    Quote "A design implies a designer." That would depend on what definitions of "design" one happens to be using. Sometimes it means something that was deliberately engineered, but sometimes it just means the arrangement of materials and parts in something.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,12:17    I see now comments kf made by just posting in kmp's post rather than as his own, because he's the thread owner and he has the power to do so!

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,12:40    So he does that when his arguments in that thread are unraveling?

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2017,20:21    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 23 2017,09:40) Quote (Patrick @ June 23 2017,07:29)       Quote (Cubist @ June 22 2017,06:11) John C Wright happens to be an author who 'benefited' greatly from the nominations-rigging chicanery of the Sad/Rabid Puppies in the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention. Dude got 3 (three!) Best Novella nominations; 1 Best Short Story nomination; and 1 Best Related Work nomination. Alas, all five of Wright's nominated works were in categories won by No Award. The Rabid Puppies got one of Wright's short stories on the ballot this year, too.  I can't find it available online but I got it as part of the Hugo packet.  I don't recommend spending the $4.99 for the book that it's in. It starts off with a bit of promise but quickly descends into a screed that would fit in just fine at UD, including the line "A design implies a designer." I might buy the book if        Quote Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock (self-published) was in it, though. Edited to add:  I withdraw that offer to purchase.  I see it's one of the Dead Puppies books.  Strange, it seems a little too sophisticated for anything having to do with Vox Day. The 'work' by "Stix Hiscock" is almost certainly VD's attempt to win yesterday's war. A little relevant history: The [Sad|Rabid] Puppies did not allow their catastrophic failure of 2015 to stop them from gaming the Hugo Award nominations in 2016. One of said Puppies-nominated items was a little piece of work called Space Raptor Butt Invasion, by Chuck Tingle. While most people outside the Puppies bubble have categorically rejected the 'honor' of being gamed onto the Hugo ballot by a bunch of alt-Reich neo-Nazi wannabees, Mr. Tingle took it and ran with it in a masterful, extended display of counter-trolling which made VD look like an even more ridiculous pissant than he already did. Does that clarify any matters for you?

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2017,02:30    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 22 2017,07:11)     Quote At age 42, Wright converted from atheism to Christianity, citing a profound religious experience with visions of the "Virgin Mary, her son, and His Father, not to mention various other spirits and ghosts over a period of several days", and stating that prayers he made were answered. In 2008, he converted to the Roman Catholic Church, of which he approvingly said: "If Vulcans had a church, they'd be Catholics." Wikipedia - John C Wright His picture is worth the visit to Wikipedia.  A very Serious Author who wears a Serious Author beard and a Serious Author hat, all circa 1953. This man was made for Uncommon Descent. Absolutely, he's been quite popular for years over at FSTDT. http://www.fstdt.com/Search.....+Wright I wonder how he reconciles being Vulcan Catholic and rejecting evolution. He posts over on Vox Popoli's blog from time to time and I'm pretty sure he was involved with all the Sad Puppy or Tard Puppy (whatever) anti-feminist BS that was trying to subvert some awards. Hugo Awards maybe? (again, whatever) A year ago at Vox's place ...     Quote My claim is that rightwingers have not blocked or opposed any legitimate scientific research since the dawn of time. Nearly all the major scientific advances were make by Churchmen, or by men at universities founded by the Church, and the Church is the most conservative institute there is. Leftist are antiscience by definition: Marx defined Marxism as the rebellion against the science of economics, and the promise that you could get something for nothing; Lysenko in Russia, lya Ivanovich Ivanov and his human-ape hybrids, Leftwing nutbag Hitler driving Einstein out of Germany and into America's conservative arms, all, all, all are examples of Leftists substituting politics for science and calling it science. The idea that conservatives are antiscience is comical. And the only argument to be found is that we don't want tax money wasted on teaching junk science like Darwinism in school, or to fund anti-Second-Amendment propaganda by Leftists? and Friday before last ...     Quote But technically, Darwinism is not science, because it rests on non-empirical assumptions about matter not open to empirical proof or disproof. You cannot hand me a telescope and show me the apeman giving birth to man, or man giving birth to superman. You cannot even breed peas and make them into something other than peas. Genius. ETA - Whoops, missed that there was a whole page left where this was already sorted. Sorry. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2017,05:41    That's ok.  Thanks to you and Cubist for the additional information.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,02:50    In the Gender as a Social Construct thread: 509 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 5:09 pm       Quote Well, jdk, let’s put your claim to the test. I will use logic to draw two conclusions about the *real world,*:which of course transcends abstract logical systems. [a] If it rains, the streets will get wet. 514 Pindi June 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm           Quote SB@509, the answer to (a) is “maybe”. Someone might have covered all the streets in the town because the buildings were being painted. Unlikely, but possible. So logic can’t answer that question about the real world for the obvious reason as jdk notes that most statements about the world have an empirical component that has to be taken account of. 516 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 10:24 pm         Quote The answer is yes. I didn’t say the pavement or the sidewalk would get wet. I said the streets will get wet. The streets are the area immediately below where it is raining. I've heard of not having enough sense to come in out of the rain, but StephenB takes it to a new level.  He seems to believe its not possible to come in out of the rain.

franklin Posts: 16 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,08:23    StephenB is apparently ignorant of the simple fact that rain doesn't aways make it to the ground.  I happen to live in one of the areas of the world where this happens all the time and it is true that when it rains the streets don't always get wet.  Meteorologists even have a term for this real-world phenomena: virga. http://www.iweathernet.com/educati....outside The point was made just not in the way he intended.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,10:03    Where's UD's resident meteorologist Joe G when they need him? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,10:05    Nice info, franklin.

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,17:43    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 25 2017,02:50) In the Gender as a Social Construct thread: 509 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 5:09 pm       Quote Well, jdk, let’s put your claim to the test. I will use logic to draw two conclusions about the *real world,*:which of course transcends abstract logical systems. [a] If it rains, the streets will get wet. 514 Pindi June 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm           Quote SB@509, the answer to (a) is “maybe”. Someone might have covered all the streets in the town because the buildings were being painted. Unlikely, but possible. So logic can’t answer that question about the real world for the obvious reason as jdk notes that most statements about the world have an empirical component that has to be taken account of. 516 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 10:24 pm         Quote The answer is yes. I didn’t say the pavement or the sidewalk would get wet. I said the streets will get wet. The streets are the area immediately below where it is raining. I've heard of not having enough sense to come in out of the rain, but StephenB takes it to a new level.  He seems to believe its not possible to come in out of the rain. What we have here, I think, is the inevitable mess when one blends together the laziest knowledge of Aristotle, the strictest form of Christianity, and the smuggest spew of Ayn Rand. Not one iota of curiosity about logic, not one speck of humility in faith, not one smidgen of thought concerning the Holy Writ of Objectivism.

LarTanner Posts: 36 Joined: Dec. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2017,20:14    Quote (clamboy @ June 25 2017,17:43) Quote (CeilingCat @ June 25 2017,02:50) In the Gender as a Social Construct thread: 509 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 5:09 pm         Quote Well, jdk, let’s put your claim to the test. I will use logic to draw two conclusions about the *real world,*:which of course transcends abstract logical systems. [a] If it rains, the streets will get wet. 514 Pindi June 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm             Quote SB@509, the answer to (a) is “maybe”. Someone might have covered all the streets in the town because the buildings were being painted. Unlikely, but possible. So logic can’t answer that question about the real world for the obvious reason as jdk notes that most statements about the world have an empirical component that has to be taken account of. 516 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 10:24 pm           Quote The answer is yes. I didn’t say the pavement or the sidewalk would get wet. I said the streets will get wet. The streets are the area immediately below where it is raining. I've heard of not having enough sense to come in out of the rain, but StephenB takes it to a new level.  He seems to believe its not possible to come in out of the rain. What we have here, I think, is the inevitable mess when one blends together the laziest knowledge of Aristotle, the strictest form of Christianity, and the smuggest spew of Ayn Rand. Not one iota of curiosity about logic, not one speck of humility in faith, not one smidgen of thought concerning the Holy Writ of Objectivism. StephenB represents a curious sort at UD. To him, the merest mention of any moral value is an acknowledgment of a cosmic law-giver. Just try and explain that one can have morals and not gesture to Yahweh: it simply does not compute for him. It's odd, though, as I thought he was some sort of academic.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,09:24    Quote (LarTanner @ June 26 2017,04:14) Quote (clamboy @ June 25 2017,17:43) Quote (CeilingCat @ June 25 2017,02:50) In the Gender as a Social Construct thread: 509 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 5:09 pm         Quote Well, jdk, let’s put your claim to the test. I will use logic to draw two conclusions about the *real world,*:which of course transcends abstract logical systems. [a] If it rains, the streets will get wet. 514 Pindi June 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm             Quote SB@509, the answer to (a) is “maybe”. Someone might have covered all the streets in the town because the buildings were being painted. Unlikely, but possible. So logic can’t answer that question about the real world for the obvious reason as jdk notes that most statements about the world have an empirical component that has to be taken account of. 516 StephenB June 24, 2017 at 10:24 pm           Quote The answer is yes. I didn’t say the pavement or the sidewalk would get wet. I said the streets will get wet. The streets are the area immediately below where it is raining. I've heard of not having enough sense to come in out of the rain, but StephenB takes it to a new level.  He seems to believe its not possible to come in out of the rain. What we have here, I think, is the inevitable mess when one blends together the laziest knowledge of Aristotle, the strictest form of Christianity, and the smuggest spew of Ayn Rand. Not one iota of curiosity about logic, not one speck of humility in faith, not one smidgen of thought concerning the Holy Writ of Objectivism. StephenB represents a curious sort at UD. To him, the merest mention of any moral value is an acknowledgment of a cosmic law-giver. Just try and explain that one can have morals and not gesture to Yahweh: it simply does not compute for him. It's odd, though, as I thought he was some sort of academic. A double doc? Dinity and computer science? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,09:42    Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox?

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,11:48    Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? That joke is worth 10 dollars. Here's a paraffin.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,14:27    Quote (clamboy @ June 26 2017,11:48) Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? That joke is worth 10 dollars. Here's a paraffin. 10 dollars? That's about sick squid, isn't it? -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,14:50    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 26 2017,14:27) Quote (clamboy @ June 26 2017,11:48) Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? That joke is worth 10 dollars. Here's a paraffin. 10 dollars? That's about sick squid, isn't it? Do not make light of ailing cephalopod, lest ye invoke the righteous wrath of P.Z. Myers.

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2017,22:30    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 26 2017,14:27) Quote (clamboy @ June 26 2017,11:48) Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? That joke is worth 10 dollars. Here's a paraffin. 10 dollars? That's about sick squid, isn't it? Poor squid has to rely on state aid, doesn't he? Bloody Tories with their cuts, he's down to a fiver a week. Imagine having only a dole fin to see you through. 'So nart right!

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2017,07:46    Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? They'd only be allowed at UD if they were heterodox.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2017,10:20    Quote (KevinB @ June 27 2017,08:46) Quote (Henry J @ June 26 2017,09:42) Double doc? Wouldn't that be a paradox? They'd only be allowed at UD if they were heterodox. I'm pretty sure the homodox is just an attempt to destroy the traditional institution of heterodox.

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