Occam's Aftershave
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Yep, it's official - VMartin and JAD are one and the same! 
Check this out - I was debating with 'VMartin' here about his ideas on mimicry, but I purposely called him 'John' just to see if he'd take the bait:
| Quote | VMartin: I would say in a such case the model species would obtain selective advantage also - having mutation that put them away from their mimics, dont you think?
I suppose mutations like you - but it give advantage
greater than 0,01% while it still resemble original.
We do not talk on Mullerian mimicry but on Batesian one - so the model has no way tendency to resemble mimic but in contrary (only if they make with mimics some agreement, as ridiculed Nabokov).
Do not forget that we often observe that mimics are much more common as their models, that they outnumber theirs model in many areas. I would say that there should be strong advantage for models that develop traits having no counterpart in mimic. Such mutation is much more probable (because should be undirectional, only different from mimic patterns) that directional mutation in mimic that lead mimic to the same pattern as possessed by model. Other mutations that do not resemble model also do not have selective advantage.
OA: Nope. Once the original/mimic relationship has been established in the local ecology, any selection pressure that drives the original away from the mimic (for whatever reason) will create new selection pressure on the mimic to follow / track changes in the original. The two will be fairly closely coupled until some major ecological shift breaks the loop.
Besides, according to your PEH there are no mutations that could create such changes, and no more evolution. Now you are saying there ARE mutations that add information (as manifested in changed phenotypes) and there IS still evolution going on.
Which is it John? |
He did. Over at ISCID, John Davison finally slips, forgetting that he was in his 'VMartin' character and answers me directly, acknowledging that I was talking directly to him!
| Quote (John A Davison @ 20 December 2006 19:29) | Listen to this folks.
Occam's After Shave (how is that for a cowardly alias) is now claiming that I have reversed my position and am now saying that evolution is going on. That is a flaming lie. I have repeatedly joined with both Robert Broom and Julian Huxley in agreeing that a new Genus has not appeared in two million years. Grasse too suggested as much. I have further extended that to claim that a new experimentally verified true species has not appeared in historical times, a position I still hold. As is typical, the Darwinians must resort to flagrant lies to preserve their foolish paradigm, the most failed hypothesis in the history of science.
It is sad that I must respond here since they have made it impossible for me to respond in their own venue. Cowardly ideologues are like that of whatever persuasion, whether it be atheist Darwinism or Protestant Fundamentalism. Once someone is banned, no further comments about that person should be emanating from a source that practices such tactics. That is the height of cowardice and ethical malfeasance.
What does Occam's After Shave think I mean with my signature? |
Davison/VMartin gets PWNED!
How do you like them rutabagas!
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and posted from there. 
