Tony M Nyphot
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| Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 12 2017,16:25) | A conservative Christian transsexual just ripped Barry and KF a new one by showing them how moronic their views on homosexuality and sexual identity are.
| Quote | SteRusJonJune 12, 2017 at 3:45 pm
I see there have been several posts related to my comment #26.
Let me address portions of various ones.
First, I did not actually state that I am transgender. But, for the record, I will now so stipulate.
I do not believe I am defective or disordered or pathological. I believe that it may be some defective or disordered or pathological process or event is responsible for my present state. There was a time, long ago, that I thought there was something defective with me. I implored for healing. It never came. God left me to my own devices to deal with a state of being that is fully male anatomically and more female than male mentally/psychologically. I know some hold that my mental state is subject to my will but I assure you that it is in fact contrary to my will. For those of you who hold that gender identity is a choice, I ask, “Can you tell be what was that time and place that you made the choice? Do you awake in the morning and choose your gender for the day? Do you think you could “will” yourself to be of the opposite gender for the day?” I do not, any longer, believe I am defective. There is discussion of what is “normal’ in the comments above. I do not believe there is a normal. There is a spectrum of mixed “sex” related characteristics in individuals. Instead of “normal”, I see that there are “ideals”. An “ideal” male and an “ideal” female with all of us actual persons distributed somewhere in between. Fortunately, most are clustered on one end or the other of the spectrum.. Problem is, without the omniscience of God, I have no idea what the correct blend of characteristics, both physical and psychological, would be to satisfy those two ideals. What I have come to realize is that just as the Psamlist knew he was knit together by God in his mother’s womb, I know, so was I.
Kf seems to believe that I and others like me are intent on destroying western civilization in some great conspiracy. I am not part of some grand scheme. I and so many of others who are marginalized in one or more ways want nothing more to live or lives in peace. Those of us who are essentially conservative have been forced to make unholy alliance with the enemy of our enemies to press for protection from those that would prevent that. Those of us who are more liberal are not convinced switch sides by rhetoric that demonizes us individually by claiming we are out to destroy the world system in some grand scheme when all we want is to keep our job, not be spit upon, keep our families together, have our children attend school safely and come out as productive members of society, Live in the neighborhood of our choice in a home within our means instead of denied housing.
There is discussion of morality. What is moral about a father and mother casting their teen-aged child out onto the street for a deviation from the ideal? Where is the morality in firing and otherwise acceptable, even exemplary, employee when it is discovered or revealed that they are transgender thereby causing them and their family to suffer great losses? How is it moral to refuse to rent to an obvious transgender person who has the means to pay and the character to be a good tenant? I know that a major flash point is the bathroom issue that has been brought to the fore in an effort to save our civilization from decay. I am sympathetic to the concerns of many. But I, also, know that much of what the conservative right puts forward in making its case is deceptive, at best, or downright wrong in many respects. The harm that these laws are ostensibly meant to prevent are already legislated against by uncontroversial legislation. God knows these laws are rooted in the need for some to protect our civilization from the perverts who would destroy us all. I won’t go any further on that topic. Point is, we are judged by God on how it is that we treat one another as individuals. Not on how well or hard we worked to fix the world. If we did a much better job of caring for each other the world would be a much better place, automatically.
I acknowledge that there are some who have gone to extreme in their reaction to the harms done to us in the past. I can understand the the over-reaction but I am not in favor of it. But, please, recognize that that there has been and there continues to be actions that harm us as human beings made, imperfectly, in the image of God.
Te plight and struggles of each transgender individual are unique to themselves. While many who try to live more as their inner identity dictates have difficulty and continue to struggle, but with different problems, there are many more that succeed in making their live more fulfilling. I wonder if those who are so staunchly against the decision of transgender individuals to live in accord with their inner identity have ever read the autobiographical accounts of anyone who has made a successful transition. How can one begin to have empathy for the someone with out hearing their story? Many of us have stepped back from the brink of suicide before making the choice to become and be the person within either by changing the anatomy or ignoring the anatomy that indicates the contrary. I assure you, if it was a simple matter of a willful choice, it would have been easy. If you think it is simply a choice, that is proof positive you have no idea what the true situation is.
The orthodox Christian view is that the soul resides in the body. I ask those who agree with that, “Do you believe the soul more closely conforms to the anatomy or to the psyche?” Keep in mind that in the resurrection, Jesus tells us, “They are like the angels, ….” when speaking of whose wife the widow would be. I think sex anatomy is a temporary state intended for procreation in this physical world and is not even carried over into the next. If God where to be merciful to me and grant my request to heal me, (not that I any longer believe I need healing,) I wonder if He would change my identity as a person to conform to my anatomy, or, change my anatomy to conform to my identity as a person? Do you have such wisdom so as to make the correct call?
Stephen (aka Stephanie)
PS This is an edit. I see that there are post that were made while I put these thoughts together so this does not cover everything above. |
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Soon followed by a response from that loving Christian victim we know as StephenB:
| Quote | | The problem is that most in the LGBT “community,” the major institutions, and a dumbed-down culture, all salivate at the prospect and the reality of persecuting *us.* It is we who have been slandered and accused of hate for defending the family, abused by courts who attacked our institution of marriage, violated by schools who brainwashed our children with pro-homosexual propaganda, flattened by a gay juggernaut that destroyed businesses and businessmen, and deprived of our constitutional right to practice religious liberty by an unrelenting gay lobby who once told us, as the transgenders are telling us now, that all they really wanted was economic justice and fair treatment. |
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