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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2017,18:09   

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May the Farce be with you.

Your call is very important to us.

All available Farces are currently busy with Denyse, Barry, KF, StephenB and the rest of the gang at Uncommon Descent.

Your call will be answered when a Farce becomes available.

Currently estimated waiting time is, "Till Jesus returns in glory."

Please hold.

Edited by CeilingCat on June 16 2017,18:14

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2017,20:54   

Things like that could lead to a call amity?

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2017,05:20   

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The whole thread has been pretty interesting. From the same person that gave us the fact that angels have no gender, StephenB tells us the following aspects of natural moral law, in case you needed to know and were worried about possible immoral behavior.

jdk: "Is oral sex immoral, … even limited to married couples?"

SB: "Most moral theologians say oral sex is moral only as foreplay and only if it is mutually acceptable, but it is not moral if brought to completion. That is because every sexual act, to be moral, must be open to the transmission of life upon completion. Some moral theologians say it is completely wrong regardless of context."

jdk: "Masturbation?"

SB: "Same conditions as above. Immoral as a completed act. Always wrong outside of marriage."

jdk: "Do those acts “self-evidently fulfill or conform our nature”, or not?"

SB: "The behavioral standards for the natural moral law are not always self evident. They are often the product of moral reflection and reasoned analysis. According to the natural moral law, the purpose of sex is to create a unitive bond of love between husband and wife and to procreate. The point is that the unitive function cannot be morally separated from the procreative function. Only on those conditions can the good of both spouses be preserved. Everything turns on purpose."




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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2017,14:38   

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233 kmidpuddle June 17, 2017 at 8:45 am

J-mac: "Do you find bestiality objectionable?"

Ah, the slippery slope argument. Get back to me when you are serious about having a discussion.


kf responds with 3500 words. I think this might be a new record for signal to noise ratio.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2017,18:00   

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233 kmidpuddle June 17, 2017 at 8:45 am

J-mac: "Do you find bestiality objectionable?"

Ah, the slippery slope argument. Get back to me when you are serious about having a discussion.


kf responds with 3500 words. I think this might be a new record for signal to noise ratio.

Kmidpuddle responds:
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We were discussing transgender, homosexuality and same sex marriage. And then some moronic troll asks me if I object to beastiality. Forgive me if I refuse to engage in a discussion with any moronic troll who thinks that homosexuality and transgender are equivalent to beastiality.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2017,05:31   

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233 kmidpuddle June 17, 2017 at 8:45 am

J-mac: "Do you find bestiality objectionable?"

Ah, the slippery slope argument. Get back to me when you are serious about having a discussion.


kf responds with 3500 words. I think this might be a new record for signal to noise ratio.

Kmidpuddle responds:
 
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We were discussing transgender, homosexuality and same sex marriage. And then some moronic troll asks me if I object to beastiality. Forgive me if I refuse to engage in a discussion with any moronic troll who thinks that homosexuality and transgender are equivalent to beastiality.

People like J-mac, who say they do not care how they may look in your moral (or  "immoral/amoral" in their view) universe, go to ridiculous lengths to make you look ridiculous in their moral universe. They really arent interested in understanding how you come to your moral views. They have it all figured out already.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2017,05:35   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 16 2017,16:09)
 
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May the Farce be with you.

Your call is very important to us.

All available Farces are currently busy with Denyse, Barry, KF, StephenB and the rest of the gang at Uncommon Descent.

Your call will be answered when a Farce becomes available.

Currently estimated waiting time is, "Till Jesus returns in glory."

Please hold.

Please enjoy the Cantina Band's cover of Enya's "Orinoco Flow" on continuous loop.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2017,15:15   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 16 2017,16:09)
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May the Farce be with you.

Your call is very important to us.

Excellent.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2017,16:01   

Does farce = ma?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2017,20:09   

The whole Gender as a social construct thread has been great entertainment, especially the bits involving StephenB. kmipuddle has just provided a highlight:
 
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kmidpuddle  June 18, 2017 at 6:13 pm

KF:

 
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   KMP, In addressing SB, you are dealing with someone with advanced formal education in both philosophy and communication [as well as being a very well catechised Catholic],…


I apologize. I only have advanced formal education in science. I obviously am not worthy of participating in a discussion with such an exalted personage. But, then again, I am not the one stupid enough to equate homosexuality with beastiality.

Lol

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,08:54   

Quote (Henry J @ June 18 2017,16:01)
Does farce = ma?

Only if it's an MA issued by a degree mill.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,10:33   

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Mung @ 7: Brilliant.

Time for pigs to start flying.

Comment 8

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,11:01   

linky
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271  kairosfocus  June 19, 2017 at 2:10 am
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Where sexuality is concerned, the tendency to put pleasure first — a crude form of hedonism — leads to incoherence and chaos. KF

Only if you're doing it properly, Gordon.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,11:20   

Quote (JohnW @ June 19 2017,11:01)
linky
 
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271  kairosfocus  June 19, 2017 at 2:10 am
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Where sexuality is concerned, the tendency to put pleasure first — a crude form of hedonism — leads to incoherence and chaos. KF

Only if you're doing it properly, Gordon.

The probability that Gordo in doing it properly approaches the Plank length.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,16:36   

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At Forbes: Gravitational waves detection was all just noise, some researchers say

June 19, 2017 Posted by News under Cosmology, Intelligent Design, Physics


wtf would that have to do with ID?

Oh yeah, ID is just science-bashing.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,16:38   

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Pindi June 19, 2017 at 3:24 pm
The religious right’s obsession with homosexuality and other people’s sex lives never ceases to amaze me.


lol

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,17:07   

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Pindi June 19, 2017 at 3:24 pm
The religious right’s obsession with homosexuality and other people’s sex lives never ceases to amaze me.


[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/academic-freedom/fft-gender-as-a-social-construct-what-is-the-vid-below-telling-us-on-where-our-intellectua

l-culture-has-now-reached/#comment-634115]lol[/URL]

Maybe it is because of the experimentation that Gordo and Barry conducted back in residence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,17:38   

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kwimpuddle
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By definition, if you claim that something follows the “natural moral law” you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you does not have the sense of reason. Thus ending any debate because, after all, what is the point in debating anyone who does not have the sense of reason?

The point of debating people who have no sense of reason is to expose that fact to the reading audience.



   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,18:04   

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We seem to be getting nowhere with whether or not discriminatory business practices can be justified on the grounds of religious freedom. Maybe a couple real life experiences by a good friend of mine may help this discussion.

My friend is blind and uses a guide dog. Several years ago she entered a restaurant owned by a Muslim man. She was told to leave because of the dog. She sued him as refusing entry was against the law. The owner’s defence was the freedom of religion defence as he was Sunni and they consider the dog to be “ritually unclean”. These are the questions for the people here.

1) was she right to sue the owner?
2) how should the court have ruled?

More recently, she was leaving the hospital emergency room after stitching up a minor cut. She called for a cab, the only transit available at that time of night, and when it arrived the driver told her that he couldn’t take her because of the dog and then took off. A bystander got the number of the taxi for her and when she followed up with the cab company she was told that the driver was Muslim and the company did not require its Muslim drivers to pick up people with dogs for religious accommodation reasons.

Again, she sued the cab company. And, again,

1) was she right to sue?
2) what should the outcome have been?

OK. I am giving 100 to one odds that Gordo will say that this discrimination is wrong, but that if it was against a Christian, it would be OK. Any takers?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2017,18:15   

Quote (stevestory @ June 19 2017,16:36)
           
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At Forbes: Gravitational waves detection was all just noise, some researchers say

June 19, 2017 Posted by News under Cosmology, Intelligent Design, Physics


wtf would that have to do with ID?

Oh yeah, ID is just science-bashing.

Denyse has a link in that thread to this thread, Gravitational Waves Reliably Detected from back in 2016.

The fun starts with reply #1, which is by Mapou:          
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1 Mapou February 11, 2016 at 12:39 pm
Unless it’s corroborated by multiple independent experimenters, it’s not science. The conflict of interest in this industry is nothing short of scandalous. I predict this LIGO thing will eventually turn out to be a complete fiasco, not unlike the faster-than-light neutrino fiasco of a few years ago.
 He supports this with a link to his website.

Then Andre pops in with a link to www.noblackholes.com which shows how Einstein was wrong.

Not to be undone, j-mac offers a video (YouTube, of course), The Illusion of Time, which is no longer available because of copyright problems with WGBH.
This confirms Mapou's observation in reply # 2:          
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The physics community cannot be trusted because they muzzle their critics just like the Darwinist community and the AGW alarmist community muzzle their critics. As I wrote earlier, the conflict of interest is nothing short of scandalous. Every single one of those scientists involved with LIGO are hoping to get a Nobel Prize and more billions from the taxpayer. And, of course, the taxpayer has no say in the matter.

Mapou then gets into a little tussle with Me_Think which generates these crushing replies:        
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You’re a jackass. See you around.
       
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You can take your question and pack it up where the sun does not shine. How about that? LOL
       
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LOL. I got another one for you. How about you eat dog feces and croak? 😀

Mapou finishes off Me_Think with this unanswerable reply:        
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Me_Think @27,

You can jump up and down and foam at the mouth all you want but relativists are all a bunch of crackpots. Einstein had no clue as to the cause of gravity and the current crop of relativists are even more clueless. Spacetime, as so many thinkers have noted, is a block universe in which nothing happens. You call that physics? As Popper would say, relativity is an exercise in mythical metaphysics.

Heck, you ignorant jackasses do not even know what causes something as fundamental as inertial motion. The deep, in-your-face ignorance of relativists and their insufferable pomposity are now legendary. All this nonsense about binary stars is a further sign of your abject ignorance and propensity for crackpottery.

Take a hint from hamsters. When they get tired of running around all day in the wheel, they go into a corner and fall asleep. Just give a rest, crackpot.

Sigh... The Good Old Days, when life was easy and bushel baskets of grade A prime Tard were laying around just waiting to be picked up.  It's nice of Denyse to remind us.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,08:00   

Gordo:
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KMP, there ‘ent no such thing as same sex MARRIAGE,...

Gordo spends a lot of time arguing over something that doesn't exist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,09:15   

I see over at "The Other Place" that they are asking

          Where is the multiverse hiding?

Surely the obvious answer is

          In one of KF's posts.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,13:17   

StephenB in referencing the conclusions of a Society for the Protection of Unborn Children report given to UK parliament in March 2013: (comment 287)

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–Spain saw a pronounced acceleration in the decline of marriage following the introduction of same-sex marriage (same-sex marriage was introduced at the same time as the ‘express divorce bill’)


Kmidpuddle at 315:
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SB, I haven’t yet read the article in full but I double checked the raw data used to come up with the following statement “Spain saw a pronounced acceleration in the decline of marriage following the introduction of same-sex marriage (same-sex marriage was introduced at the same time as the ‘express divorce bill’).”

The report goes further to explain: “The descent is quite precipitous, since Spanish marriage rates (per thousand population) have been reasonably steady compared to some other countries – at 5.9 in 1980: 5.7 in 1990 and 5.4 in 2000 before the plunge to 3.8 in 2009.”

If you plot these points the sudden drop becomes quite obvious. However, when you go back to the source data used to draw this conclusion, the first thing that jumps out is that the author omitted the two data points prior to 1980 (7.8 and 7.3 for 1960 and 1970, respectively). When these two points are added back, the R^2 of the resulting linear curve changes from 0.78 to 0.93, suggesting that the 2009 data is just a continuation of an existing trend.

Given that that report was sponsored by a lobby group that is pro-life and anti-SSM, I suspected to find some bias, but to find outright data manipulation is very telling.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,15:44   

Kmidpuddle, you're doing excellent work.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,16:29   

The correspondence between the Natural Moral Law and Catholic doctrine....why it's uncanny!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,18:06   

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Kmidpuddle, you're doing excellent work.

He's not going to last long. Gordo is now inserting responses into kmidpuddle's comments.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,21:31   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 20 2017,18:06)
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Kmidpuddle, you're doing excellent work.

He's not going to last long. Gordo is now inserting responses into kmidpuddle's comments.

Imagine a world where he had any power or responsibility..

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,22:02   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 20 2017,21:31)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 20 2017,18:06)
Quote (stevestory @ June 20 2017,15:44)
Kmidpuddle, you're doing excellent work.

He's not going to last long. Gordo is now inserting responses into kmidpuddle's comments.

Imagine a world where he had any power or responsibility..

Its not as hard to imagine as it used to be.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,23:47   

Maybe Go-UH The Intelligent Designer (whew) fine-tuned the cosmos such that Kairosfocus would have been the next Torquemada, but got sidetracked into spending his life babbling 5,000-word screeds on a garbage loser website instead.

:p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2017,23:51   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 20 2017,13:17)
StephenB in referencing the conclusions of a Society for the Protection of Unborn Children report given to UK parliament in March 2013: (comment 287)

 
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–Spain saw a pronounced acceleration in the decline of marriage following the introduction of same-sex marriage (same-sex marriage was introduced at the same time as the ‘express divorce bill’)


Kmidpuddle at 315:
 
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SB, I haven’t yet read the article in full but I double checked the raw data used to come up with the following statement “Spain saw a pronounced acceleration in the decline of marriage following the introduction of same-sex marriage (same-sex marriage was introduced at the same time as the ‘express divorce bill’).”

The report goes further to explain: “The descent is quite precipitous, since Spanish marriage rates (per thousand population) have been reasonably steady compared to some other countries – at 5.9 in 1980: 5.7 in 1990 and 5.4 in 2000 before the plunge to 3.8 in 2009.”

If you plot these points the sudden drop becomes quite obvious. However, when you go back to the source data used to draw this conclusion, the first thing that jumps out is that the author omitted the two data points prior to 1980 (7.8 and 7.3 for 1960 and 1970, respectively). When these two points are added back, the R^2 of the resulting linear curve changes from 0.78 to 0.93, suggesting that the 2009 data is just a continuation of an existing trend.

Given that that report was sponsored by a lobby group that is pro-life and anti-SSM, I suspected to find some bias, but to find outright data manipulation is very telling.

What makes this even better is the fact that StephenB declared victory before Kmidpuddle replied
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297 StephenBJune 19, 2017 at 11:44 pm

Kairosfocus, did you notice how quickly kwimmuddle and jdk changed the subject after I presented the facts about the the negative effects of SSM @287.


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