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|Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 19 2011,22:41)|
|MP (AKA Disassociate Disorder- but this was a gross error) |
Could you shed some light on that?
Some experiences I have had with someone diagnosed with DD seem to align with symptoms of MP.
A) We have drugs that cause disassociative states. They do not induce MP behaviors.
B) We have drugs that block, or minimize disassocitive states. They do not alter MP behaviors.
C) Ritualized trance states mimic, or induce disassocitive states without inducing MP behaviors (the subject knows who they are, even when they "become" someone, or something else. (WARNING! Self-references ahead: 1984 "Manifestations of Possession in Novel Ecological Contexts," G. S. Hurd, E. M. Pattison. in Ecological Models in Clinical and Community Mental Health, W.A. O'Connor and B. Lubin (ed.s). John Wiley & Sons: New York, 1985 "Trance and Possession States," E. M. Pattison, Joel Kahan, G. Hurd. In Handbook of Altered States of Consciousness. B. B. Walman and M. Ullman (ed.s) New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1985 "Superstition," G. S. Hurd. In Baker's Encyclopedia of Psychology. David Brenner (ed.) Baker Book House, Grand Rapids,
D) We know that MP behaviors are associated (NPI) with late adolescent adjustment difficulties, and iatrogenically induced.
So, to say that this "MPD" is a disassocitive disorder is a gross error. "Fever" is a symptom, not a diagnosis.
Regarding MP emerging in a clinical setting, one of my first consults (1976) was with a resident treating a young female. The patient convinced the young resident that she had met "Don Juan" of Carlos Castaneda fame while visiting Mexico City, who had given her drugs that "allowed" the patient to experience "past lives," and "free her multiple personalities." The resident (trainee) psychiatrist, not knowing any better, found the story interesting and persuasive. My intervention was to teach the resident a little ethnography and my personal interactions with Castaneda, and to have her stop rewarding her patient for making-up "interesting" stories. With just 4 more sessions (2 weeks), the MP behavior disappeared, and the therapy re-focused on the patient's depression and failing marriage. (The MP was used by the patient to attract the attention of the resident, and avoid her personal, and social problems).
(Shheeech! the problem with starting on this is when to stop)
Trance states are a real phenomena. That was the point of my article with Pattison, and Kahan. In ritualized contexts the roles of the various "persona" are well known by all participants. In "free form" situations, such as in hypnosis used by poorly trained therapists, the interaction will likely spin-out of the control of the therapist. Weakly competent therapists are frightened by lack of 'control' in their patient relationship, which is why they like using hypnosis. The whole "You are listening to my voice, You are only listening to my voice ...." ritual really appeals to weak therapists. And, they are also incompetent in hypnosis. The subject/patient interaction in hypnosis is never just one-way.
Edited by Dr.GH on Oct. 20 2011,15:18
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