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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,22:26   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 19 2011,04:15)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-science-becomes-a-frontal-assault-on-reason-and-evidence-multiple-personality-syndrom



e/comment-page-1/#comment-404305]DeNews[/URL]:
   
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When science becomes a frontal assault on reason and evidence: Multiple personality syndrome.

And who is "science" in this case?
   
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According to the author, Debbie Nathan, the memoir was cooked up by three individuals hungry for fame and fortune: Mason, her therapist Cornelia (Connie) Wilbur and journalist Flora Schreiber.

A psychiatric patient, her therapist, and a journalist.

Strangely reminiscent of the motley collection holding forth on all topics "science" at UD. Stands to reason that DeNews takes them as representing science proper.

I was on the psychiatry faculty of the Medical College of Georgia, the "home" of the multiple personality notion. I was brought in fairly regularly as an outside opinion on multiple personality cases, because I was locally known as a skeptic.

At best, MP (AKA Disassociate Disorder- but this was a gross error)  was an iatrogenic disorder. I was particularly impressed with the association of MP and therapists who used hypnosis, and the association of insecure therapists and using hypnosis.

The big supporters of MP I personally knew in the 1980s were actually professing Christians who actively supported including religion/prayer in therapy. One example was Dr. Jeff Brandsma, who I knew quite well.

Edited by Dr.GH on Oct. 19 2011,20:30

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,00:41   

Dr.GH:
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MP (AKA Disassociate Disorder- but this was a gross error)

Could you shed some light on that?
Some experiences I have had with someone diagnosed with DD seem to align with symptoms of MP.

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,06:10   

Software Engineer's Off The Cuff Requirements List For A Simple Cell

Yeah, Barry, because having no background in biology or chemistry makes you eminently qualified to discuss origin of life theories.  That would be as stupid as Barely Literate Journalist's Off The Cuff Rant About Neuroscience.  Oh, wait....

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,06:17   

I have been deliberately avoiding the OOL "discussion" at UD. That is a tarpit of T.A.R.D. I have no wish to embroil myself in. My chronic SIWOTI syndrome would drag me in permanently and cause me to correct them.

And that way lies heartburn!

Louis

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,07:04   

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 20 2011,07:17)
I have been deliberately avoiding the OOL "discussion" at UD. That is a tarpit of T.A.R.D. I have no wish to embroil myself in. My chronic SIWOTI syndrome would drag me in permanently and cause me to correct them.

And that way lies heartburn!

Louis

Ah, the temptation to leave a trail of Joseph's tard crumbs from here to UD is extreme.

"One more step, Louis.  You know you need to correct just this last misconception."

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,07:45   

Elizabeth Liddle asks:
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Tell me how you “program” a molecule, without altering the molecule. And if you do alter the molecule, tell me in what sense that not a hardware change.

Joseph has the answer:
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And geez Elizabeth programmers program disks without altering the disk- the prom is still a prom.

So nothing changes on the disk, Joey?  It's not altered at all?

That thread and the related ones are a complete analogy wreck.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,07:59   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 20 2011,13:04)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 20 2011,07:17)
I have been deliberately avoiding the OOL "discussion" at UD. That is a tarpit of T.A.R.D. I have no wish to embroil myself in. My chronic SIWOTI syndrome would drag me in permanently and cause me to correct them.

And that way lies heartburn!

Louis

Ah, the temptation to leave a trail of Joseph's tard crumbs from here to UD is extreme.

"One more step, Louis.  You know you need to correct just this last misconception."

"Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in"

Louis

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,08:04   

I like Kelly Holmes:

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kellyhomesOctober 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Joseph,
I went to your blog and after reading the post you had linked to I started to look around. It seems you use you blog as a forum to threaten others with violence, abuse them in the most disgusting ways and generally act in quite a different manner to which you comport yourself here.

Why is that Joe? Why?


The hyperlinked "why" is priceless!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,08:04   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 20 2011,13:45)
Elizabeth Liddle asks:
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Tell me how you “program” a molecule, without altering the molecule. And if you do alter the molecule, tell me in what sense that not a hardware change.

Joseph has the answer:
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And geez Elizabeth programmers program disks without altering the disk- the prom is still a prom.

So nothing changes on the disk, Joey?  It's not altered at all?

That thread and the related ones are a complete analogy wreck.

Veni, legi, singultii.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,08:16   

Quote (Robin @ Oct. 20 2011,08:04)
I like Kelly Holmes:

 
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kellyhomesOctober 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Joseph,
I went to your blog and after reading the post you had linked to I started to look around. It seems you use you blog as a forum to threaten others with violence, abuse them in the most disgusting ways and generally act in quite a different manner to which you comport yourself here.

Why is that Joe? Why?


The hyperlinked "why" is priceless!

Yeah, that's an epic win.

Joe is so scared he won't even come here to play anymore.  Of course, the others at UD figured out LONG AGO that the only place they have a chance is at UD.

What's really funny is the TARD-on-TARD crime wave that seems to be picking up.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,08:36   

I went and read that thread. There is only one response.



Louis

P.S. I am genuinely worried that continual interaction (however mild now) with creationists and denialists of various stripes has rendered me incapable of taking them seriously at all. I just can't. I seem to have created a horny carapace of piss taking and comedy, otherwise I might have to contemplate, juuuuust for a second, how venal and stupid these people truly are. Nyan cat is a preferable reality.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,09:10   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 20 2011,06:26)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 19 2011,04:15)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-science-becomes-a-frontal-assault-on-reason-and-evidence-multiple-personality-syndrom




e/comment-page-1/#comment-404305]DeNews[/URL]:
     
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When science becomes a frontal assault on reason and evidence: Multiple personality syndrome.

And who is "science" in this case?
     
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According to the author, Debbie Nathan, the memoir was cooked up by three individuals hungry for fame and fortune: Mason, her therapist Cornelia (Connie) Wilbur and journalist Flora Schreiber.

A psychiatric patient, her therapist, and a journalist.

Strangely reminiscent of the motley collection holding forth on all topics "science" at UD. Stands to reason that DeNews takes them as representing science proper.

I was on the psychiatry faculty of the Medical College of Georgia, the "home" of the multiple personality notion. I was brought in fairly regularly as an outside opinion on multiple personality cases, because I was locally known as a skeptic.

At best, MP (AKA Disassociate Disorder- but this was a gross error)  was an iatrogenic disorder. I was particularly impressed with the association of MP and therapists who used hypnosis, and the association of insecure therapists and using hypnosis.

The big supporters of MP I personally knew in the 1980s were actually professing Christians who actively supported including religion/prayer in therapy. One example was Dr. Jeff Brandsma, who I knew quite well.

OK HOMO!

I'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT ONE.

FOR STARTERS THERE IS ONLY ONE OF ME (....ME,ME,ME)

SECOND: MY LOCAL SHERIFF IS REAL.

THIRD: INUITS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED DON'T HAVE PERSONALITIES.

FORTH: MUD BRICK TURNIP PERSONALITIES ALL EMINATE FROM FENCES AND TRUCKS.


FITH: SINGLE MALT SCOTCH DRINKING REQUIRES PERSONALITY AND BILL SHOULD KNOW BETTER.


SIXTH: THAT MORPHODYKE WITH A MOUSTACHE -THE 70'S CALLED THEY'RE MISSING A PORN STAR.(AND A PERSONALITY)

EIGHTH: WHO'S COUNTING?

NINETH: THE UNITED STATES OF TARD IS NOT A TV SHOW IT'S REAL.

TENTH: FREUD AND SLIPS GO TOGETHER LIKE WINE AND POSTMODERNISM. ONE WILL GIVE YOU A HANGOVER AND THE OTHER WILL SCREW YOUR BRAIN.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,09:13   

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 20 2011,16:04)
Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 20 2011,13:45)
Elizabeth Liddle asks:
 
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Tell me how you “program” a molecule, without altering the molecule. And if you do alter the molecule, tell me in what sense that not a hardware change.

Joseph has the answer:
 
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And geez Elizabeth programmers program disks without altering the disk- the prom is still a prom.

So nothing changes on the disk, Joey?  It's not altered at all?

That thread and the related ones are a complete analogy wreck.

Veni, legi, singultii.

Louis

veni, vidi spaghetti

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,10:34   

Quote (Robin @ Oct. 20 2011,09:04)
I like Kelly Holmes:

 
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kellyhomesOctober 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Joseph,
I went to your blog and after reading the post you had linked to I started to look around. It seems you use you blog as a forum to threaten others with violence, abuse them in the most disgusting ways and generally act in quite a different manner to which you comport yourself here.

Why is that Joe? Why?


The hyperlinked "why" is priceless!

Joe Gallien is the Jim Lahey of Intelligent Design Creationism

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,15:00   

DeNews posts:

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Dawkins speaks: Why he won’t debate William Lane Craig … Craig advocates genocide


While I would use the word "excuses" instead of "advocates", DeNews manages to leave it undefended, like the IDiot she is.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,15:02   

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Turing Test: Chatbots flunk once again at being human


TARD test:  UD regulars flunk once again at being distinguishable from a chatbot.

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,15:12   

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 20 2011,08:36)
I went and read that thread. There is only one response.

(great Nyan Cat pic deleted)

Louis

P.S. I am genuinely worried that continual interaction (however mild now) with creationists and denialists of various stripes has rendered me incapable of taking them seriously at all. I just can't. I seem to have created a horny carapace of piss taking and comedy, otherwise I might have to contemplate, juuuuust for a second, how venal and stupid these people truly are. Nyan cat is a preferable reality.


Perhaps if I picked up some UD OOL nuggets (using a plastic bag) and dropped them here we could snark without IDiot interference.

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,15:20   

OOL nugget from Eric Anderson:
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“A lipid vesicle containing genetic material . . .” Oooo, that’s helpful. My 10-year old could come up with that much detail. What a joke.


Followed by this detailed discussion of lipid structure, synthesis and assembly, and Szostak's research:

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Where does the additional nucleotide material come from? How does it get into the vesicle? How does the vesicle prevent interfering materials from entering the vesicle? Does the vesicle “divide” in any kind of controlled manner, or does it just get bigger (Szostak) until eventually it is unstable?


Oh, dear.  This is 10-year old level.

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I will quote myself from the first comment above: “This is why it is critical to have an engineering eye look at these things. Too many true believers gloss over the details . . . the proposed pathway or proposed mechanism being offered is simply not workable in the real world or is so general and vague as to be useless for anything other than a just-so story.”


Because we all know engineers are the experts on lipids!

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"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,16:03   

NormO: (about article by software engineer on origin of Life)
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Anything you like Barry! But if anyone thinks that being an expert in one field somehow gives them inherent credibility in a completely different field, they are very mistaken. You can’t simply reformulate a problem from a very specific and technical field in terms of your own skill set. You have to do the hard work of understanding the other field. There are no shortcuts.


kairosfocus literature bluffs in response:
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Please see just above. Note, the thermodynamics and systems requisites issues are going to be accessible to a fairly broad range of people from diverse technical fields. Chemists, Physicists, Engineers, and the like not just biochemists.

and...

F/N: Oddly, the very first technical design theory book was by a Chemist, a Polymer specialist and a Geologist, looking at the origin of life from the ground up. Norm, can you tell us what fundamentally is wrong with the thermodynamics and environmental consideration issues here, as a baseline?


Linking Thaxton's outdated garbage.  First of all, most of origin of life research is about organic synthesis, which  none of Thaxton, Bradley or Olsen had a clue.  Thaxton's configurational entropy argument is bogus because it does not account for how free energy changes with concentration, temperature, and solvent, and the fact that self-replication is catalysis, which is kinetics, not thermodynamics.

karosfocus is fond of quoting Orgel, but omits this part (in the same article) that argues against any but a chemical expert being able to sensibly argue (which supports NormO's point):

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It must be recognized that assessment of the feasibility of any particular proposed prebiotic cycle must depend on arguments about chemical plausibility, rather than on a decision about logical possibility.


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"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,17:01   

Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 19 2011,22:41)
Dr.GH:
 
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MP (AKA Disassociate Disorder- but this was a gross error)

Could you shed some light on that?
Some experiences I have had with someone diagnosed with DD seem to align with symptoms of MP.

A) We have drugs that cause disassociative states. They do not induce MP behaviors.

B) We have drugs that block, or minimize disassocitive states. They do not alter MP behaviors.

C) Ritualized trance states mimic, or induce disassocitive states without inducing MP behaviors (the subject knows who they are, even when they "become" someone, or something else. (WARNING! Self-references ahead: 1984    "Manifestations of Possession in Novel Ecological Contexts," G. S. Hurd, E. M. Pattison. in Ecological Models in Clinical and Community Mental Health, W.A. O'Connor and B. Lubin (ed.s).  John Wiley & Sons: New York, 1985  "Trance and Possession States," E. M. Pattison, Joel Kahan, G. Hurd. In Handbook of Altered States of Consciousness.  B. B. Walman and M. Ullman (ed.s) New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1985 "Superstition,"  G. S. Hurd. In Baker's Encyclopedia of Psychology. David Brenner (ed.) Baker Book House, Grand Rapids,

D) We know that MP behaviors are associated (NPI) with late adolescent adjustment difficulties, and iatrogenically induced.

So, to say that this "MPD" is a disassocitive disorder is a gross error. "Fever" is a symptom, not a diagnosis.

Regarding MP emerging in a clinical setting, one of my first consults (1976) was with a resident treating a young female. The patient convinced the young resident that she had met "Don Juan" of Carlos Castaneda fame while visiting Mexico City, who had given her drugs that "allowed" the patient to experience "past lives," and "free her multiple personalities." The resident (trainee) psychiatrist, not knowing any better, found the story interesting and persuasive. My intervention was to teach the resident a little ethnography and my personal interactions with Castaneda, and to have her stop rewarding her patient for making-up "interesting" stories. With just 4 more sessions (2 weeks), the MP behavior disappeared, and the therapy re-focused on the patient's depression and failing marriage. (The MP was used by the patient to attract the attention of the resident, and avoid her personal, and social problems).


(Shheeech! the problem with starting on this is when to stop)

Trance states are a real phenomena. That was the point of my article with Pattison, and Kahan. In ritualized contexts the roles of the various "persona" are well known by all participants. In "free form" situations, such as in hypnosis used by poorly trained therapists, the interaction will likely spin-out of the control of the therapist. Weakly competent therapists are frightened by lack of 'control' in their patient relationship, which is why they like using hypnosis. The whole "You are listening to my voice, You are only listening to my voice ...." ritual really appeals to weak therapists. And, they are also incompetent in hypnosis. The subject/patient interaction in hypnosis is never just one-way.

Edited by Dr.GH on Oct. 20 2011,15:18

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,05:40   

Dr.GH,

Thanks for the clarification. Looks like I need to re-investigate certain notions.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,05:53   

Robert Byers, Piling it higher and Deeper:  
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Excellent videos except they are wrong.
This YEC insists that marine mammals did suddenly “evolve” from land to sea.
 
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People did not evolve in stages toward our present racial types.
Yet here we are. It was instant and with it a lot of dna change.
 
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Seals really are just bears . Bears and dogs are the same thing
Water dogs have webbed feet.
No big deal but not from evolution. Somthing else.

Oh, Robert, you literally take my breath away (cuz of all the laughing I'm having to do.)

alright, which one of you is Robert Byers?

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,06:12   

kellyhomes invokes the name of He-Who-Lurks-Unless-You-Invoke-His-Name-At-Which-Point-He-De-Lurks:  
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Previously Clive has banned people here for things they have said on other sites, unrelated to this one. I guess double standards are only OK if they help your supporters…

Clive as of October 21, 2011 at 12:52 am:  
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Only if they were outed as a sock puppet on another site and banned previously.

Google-Fu powers, activate! (This may take awhile)

eta: timestamp for Clive's comment quoted above

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,06:58   

Hey, Clive, do you remember this comment of yours from March 22, 2009 12:02AM?  
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Reciprocating Bill.

“Given that my participation has been serious and respectful…”

Really?

You said this yourself:

“Without claiming significance anything resembling PZ’s [Myers], I do have a history of critical comments regarding UD, Barry Arrington in particular, Uncommonly Denyse, etc. Not to mention adolescent name calling….I like to think that UD’s new policy, in addition to reflecting new management, is also in response to the the ridiculative selection pressures we’ve exerted here….Let’s watch.”

Bye Bill.

eta: Reciprocating Bill introduces the bannination here.

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,08:14   

Elizabeth Liddle makes a simple point to Joseph:
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“Races” don’t “do evil” Joseph. People do. People who ascribe evil-doing to a “race” are called “racists”.

The Nazis, for instance.

Joseph then shows his true colors:
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Races can do evil, Elizabeth.

This is why free speech is important.  I like my bigots out and proud.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,09:16   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 21 2011,08:14)
Elizabeth Liddle makes a simple point to Joseph:
 
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“Races” don’t “do evil” Joseph. People do. People who ascribe evil-doing to a “race” are called “racists”.

The Nazis, for instance.

Joseph then shows his true colors:
 
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Races can do evil, Elizabeth.

This is why free speech is important.  I like my bigots out and proud.

Wow...Joe continues to amaze me with his powers of inanity. Just when I think he can't possibly come up with something more idiotic, he invents some new area of stupid.

Even for Joe this one is just so obviously erroneous as to make me wonder if Joe isn't really a poe. I mean, how can an entire race of people do evil? It's like insisting all business managers can do evil.

In the immortal words of Hank Hill: "That boy ain't right."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,09:33   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 21 2011,14:14)
Elizabeth Liddle makes a simple point to Joseph:
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“Races” don’t “do evil” Joseph. People do. People who ascribe evil-doing to a “race” are called “racists”.

The Nazis, for instance.

Joseph then shows his true colors:
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Races can do evil, Elizabeth.

This is why free speech is important.  I like my bigots out and proud.

Please, please can you fix it for me for one of the sock puppets over there to ask him which races can do and perhaps have done evil.

Call it a Christmas present.

I just want to know if it's:

a) Teh Moooooslims!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos, ya know, they are all terrorists and SO a race)

b) Teh Jooz!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos they control the Librul Meeja and Holleeweird and are also even more SO a race)

c) Teh Blacks!!oneeleveneshift111! (Just 'cos they be dumb or something and are even more of a SO a race than Teh Jooz)

d) Teh Asians!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos....erm, some stereotype about maths probably. Definitely a race)

e) Teh British!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos...erm, come to think of it this one might be true. Definitely a race/Not French)

f) Teh French!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos they have no word for entrepreneur and are a cheese eating, smelly race)

g) Teh Gayz!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos they are a race focussed on Teh Buttsecks and have an Agenda. Except Lezbyuns who are Nice On The Internet but may contain Teh Feminizmz, which is bad)

h) Teh Librulz!!oneeleveneshift111! ('Cos...erm...see Teh Jooz...also may be smarter than Joe. As indeed is bubblegum)

i) Other!!oneeleveneshift111! (the field, inventive bigotry is always appreciated)

j) The 100 metres (That race is a total fucker)

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,09:34   

Quote (Robin @ Oct. 21 2011,15:16)
Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 21 2011,08:14)
Elizabeth Liddle makes a simple point to Joseph:
 
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“Races” don’t “do evil” Joseph. People do. People who ascribe evil-doing to a “race” are called “racists”.

The Nazis, for instance.

Joseph then shows his true colors:
 
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Races can do evil, Elizabeth.

This is why free speech is important.  I like my bigots out and proud.

Wow...Joe continues to amaze me with his powers of inanity. Just when I think he can't possibly come up with something more idiotic, he invents some new area of stupid.

Even for Joe this one is just so obviously erroneous as to make me wonder if Joe isn't really a poe. I mean, how can an entire race of people do evil? It's like insisting all business managers can do evil.

Erm, but they do. ;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,09:49   

How little do you know...

Joe actually defines 'race' as all the people who act the same.  So you see there's a Muslim non-terrorist race and a Muslim terrorist race.

There's a German/Nazi race and a German/non-Nazi race.

It has something to do with the idea of front-loading.  You see, the designer made us all exactly the way we are now.  it's front-loaded genetics.

So, really, behavior is a form of genetic distinction.  Since that is true, nazis can be considered a race all on their own.  

I think the termites were involved.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2011,10:13   

his definition of race is about as good as any fucking body else's.  concepts like "species" and "race" are evidence that essentialist creationist type thinking pervades our cognitive processes even when we consciously manage that structure to eliminate those thought processes.  

but, yeah probly the 26.2 is the most evil

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