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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,10:23   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 17 2011,10:55)
StephenB explains why ID is not creationism:

 
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If we accept the findings of physical anthropology and molecular biology, the first “human” species appeared in Africa about 150,000 years ago. According to that scenario, it was the gradual increase in brain size that caused the transition from sub-human species to homo sapiens. As the story goes, the human population was never smaller than 10,000 or some such number. I question this account for several reasons, but I do, nevertheless, think it can be reconciled with Genesis.

According to the Bible, though, there was an original pair of humans. Thus, in order to reconcile Scripture with the scientific evidence presented by experts, we would have to assume that God, in some fashion, planted a spiritual soul into a pre-existing species, which was human in every other way except for the critical powers of intellect and will, and that He was, through that act, and in that sense, creating Adam and Eve.


Oh, er, wait now.

Can you adam and eve it?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,10:25   

Quote (Robin @ Oct. 17 2011,11:15)
Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 15 2011,02:32)
It is dawning on me how completely futile it is becoming to engage the ID supporters of UD. It is quite the Bizarro World over there. None of them seem to learn anything except how to repeat each other's talking points. Believe first in ID and THEN you will understand it. Obstinacy is seen to be healthy skepticism and honest steadfastness. They throw their arguments around as if they are defense attorneys; they are not burdened with providing a consistent and reasonable explanation of events but serve only to cast doubt on the prosecution's (if i have mis-characterized any defense attorneys here, I stand corrected). Contention can be healthy and productive but that's not what's occurring at UD. I applaud those who continue to engage UD, and am grateful for the enlightenment they provide.

I gave up several months ago. The discussions just don't go anywhere except towards name-calling.

tards are for kicking.  ID is dead.

"ID is dead as a mackerel there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like [these tards] who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s."

ETA  UD threads 1.5 and 2 are simply postscripts to lenny flank

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,10:57   

Anyone know who Brian Cusack is, and when he pissed in Cornelius Hunter's cornflakes?

"Brian Cusack’s Latest: Anti Parsimonious, Teleological, Petitio Principii, Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc and Misrepresentations"

Hell of a title. And a big screed to go with it-all against the first author of a ok paper.

I'd go start something, but it isn't worth it. Hunter really is in his own little world lately-

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"Nonetheless, the evolutionists break every rule of parsimony to impose their evolutionary framework. ... These are yet more examples of how evolution is a gratuitous explanation, adding nothing but “multiplied entities” as Occam put it."


No analysis of how evolution is less parsimonious than whatever alternative Hunter advocates but will never state.

God did it isn't a “multiplied entity" ???

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,11:07   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 17 2011,10:25)
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 17 2011,11:15)
 
Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 15 2011,02:32)
It is dawning on me how completely futile it is becoming to engage the ID supporters of UD. It is quite the Bizarro World over there. None of them seem to learn anything except how to repeat each other's talking points. Believe first in ID and THEN you will understand it. Obstinacy is seen to be healthy skepticism and honest steadfastness. They throw their arguments around as if they are defense attorneys; they are not burdened with providing a consistent and reasonable explanation of events but serve only to cast doubt on the prosecution's (if i have mis-characterized any defense attorneys here, I stand corrected). Contention can be healthy and productive but that's not what's occurring at UD. I applaud those who continue to engage UD, and am grateful for the enlightenment they provide.

I gave up several months ago. The discussions just don't go anywhere except towards name-calling.

tards are for kicking.  ID is dead.

"ID is dead as a mackerel there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like [these tards] who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s."

ETA  UD threads 1.5 and 2 are simply postscripts to lenny flank

UD is dead, too. Boy, was Lenny right!

Any signs of a pulse in "sudden emergence" lately? It seems that the media never latched ;) on to that one.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,15:31   

Barry Arrington on miracles:
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Mr. Murray writes: “that’s a complete non-sequitur from the definition.” Well, no. A natural law is called a “law” because it is predictable; a miracle does not conform to natural law, i.e., it is not predictable. An object subject to earth’s gravity will accelerate 9.81 meters per second per second every single time according to natural law. It is predictable. Certainly I do not discount the logical possibility of an object floating in mid-air thus achieving an acceleration rate of zero. That’s certainly not an event that I would predict knowing what I do about the earth’s gravity, i.e. it is unpredictable.


Here is a miracle, Barry!

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,16:46   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 17 2011,10:25)
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 17 2011,11:15)
 
Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 15 2011,02:32)
It is dawning on me how completely futile it is becoming to engage the ID supporters of UD. It is quite the Bizarro World over there. None of them seem to learn anything except how to repeat each other's talking points. Believe first in ID and THEN you will understand it. Obstinacy is seen to be healthy skepticism and honest steadfastness. They throw their arguments around as if they are defense attorneys; they are not burdened with providing a consistent and reasonable explanation of events but serve only to cast doubt on the prosecution's (if i have mis-characterized any defense attorneys here, I stand corrected). Contention can be healthy and productive but that's not what's occurring at UD. I applaud those who continue to engage UD, and am grateful for the enlightenment they provide.

I gave up several months ago. The discussions just don't go anywhere except towards name-calling.

tards are for kicking.  ID is dead.

"ID is dead as a mackerel there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like [these tards] who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s."

ETA  UD threads 1.5 and 2 are simply postscripts to lenny flank

I prefer to think of these later threads as tributes to the wisdom of Rev Dr Flank.  Blessings be upon him and his pizza boy.

Besides, if we can't laugh at the IDiots, who can we laugh at?

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2011,18:39   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 17 2011,11:23)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 17 2011,10:55)
StephenB explains why ID is not creationism:

 
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If we accept the findings of physical anthropology and molecular biology, the first “human” species appeared in Africa about 150,000 years ago. According to that scenario, it was the gradual increase in brain size that caused the transition from sub-human species to homo sapiens. As the story goes, the human population was never smaller than 10,000 or some such number. I question this account for several reasons, but I do, nevertheless, think it can be reconciled with Genesis.

According to the Bible, though, there was an original pair of humans. Thus, in order to reconcile Scripture with the scientific evidence presented by experts, we would have to assume that God, in some fashion, planted a spiritual soul into a pre-existing species, which was human in every other way except for the critical powers of intellect and will, and that He was, through that act, and in that sense, creating Adam and Eve.


Oh, er, wait now.

Can you adam and eve it?

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

He wants to have his snake and eat it too.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,07:10   

kairosfocus is an ass.

I try not to flip the bozo bit on people because they occasionally come up with something unexpected*.  I have come to the conclusion that such an event is vanishingly unlikely in kairosfocus' case.  I think it's safe to only read excerpts from his screeds that hardier tardologists than I post here.

*". . . and then just when you think they're going to start dribbling one of 'em says, 'Incidentally, putting a thirty-foot parabolic reflector on a high place to shoot the rays of the sun at an enemy's ships would be a very interesting demonstration of optical principles.'"

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,07:26   

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Any signs of a pulse in "sudden emergence" lately?


gpuccio asserts that protein domains suddenly emerged.

I've asked several time for evidence. Apparently the fossil record has gaps.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,07:57   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 18 2011,07:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/have-we-profoundly-misunderstood-harvard-evolutionary-biologist-richard-lewontin-in-his-ja


n-1997-nyrb-article-billions-and-billions-of-demons/comment-page-1/#comment-404162]is an ass[/URL].

I try not to flip the bozo bit on people because they occasionally come up with something unexpected*.  I have come to the conclusion that such an event is vanishingly unlikely in kairosfocus' case.  I think it's safe to only read excerpts from his screeds that hardier tardologists than I post here.

*". . . and then just when you think they're going to start dribbling one of 'em says, 'Incidentally, putting a thirty-foot parabolic reflector on a high place to shoot the rays of the sun at an enemy's ships would be a very interesting demonstration of optical principles.'"

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,08:41   

When you get the 404 message, find the <br> tag embedded in the URL and edit it out, then press return.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,08:56   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 18 2011,09:41)
When you get the 404 message, find the <br> tag embedded in the URL and edit it out, then press return.

I'll make a point of using bit.ly or similar in the future.

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,09:32   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 18 2011,08:41)
When you get the 404 message, find the <br> tag embedded in the URL and edit it out, then press return.

D'oh! My bad! I didn't see it in the URL when I looked last time.

Carry on...

ETA: After all that, I read KF's scribblings and just got annoyed. Note to self: KF is an idiot. Do not read is tripe.

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,11:27   

unless you are a tard addict, gordon e mullings has nothing to say.  in fucking spades.  reams and reams and reams of the shit.  it's like this fool has set out to be Captain Question Begger on the good ship Nonsequitor, the only wind in his sails are the occasional puff of smoke from the flaming red herrings or the periodical spaz fit prompted by the mention of Dick Lewontin, upon whom Gordon Mullings apparently has a serious man crush.  Gordon, if Dick Lewontin sent you an email and a dozen new testaments do you think you would run away with him and spread your cheeks Good News?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,12:56   

Robert Sheldon likes some Lubos Motl:

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But physicist blogger, Lubos Motl, questions why a 2-sigma result (1:20 chance of being accidental) of climate warming (a highly contested result, not supported by data contends Roy Spencer) should cause the American Physical Society to claim “incontrovertible proof” when a 6-sigma result  (1:Million chance of being accidental) from a neutrino detector is doubted by all concerned.


Because there are two kinds of error: systematic error, and random error.
IDiot!

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,13:00   

More Robert Sheldon, climate expert:
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There are a great many blogs dedicated to tracking how that miserable field is regressing, so I have felt no need to beat an obviously dead and cooling horse.


http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot....nd

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,13:03   

jerry is bacccckkkk...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,13:49   

how.... conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,15:33   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 18 2011,13:49)
how.... conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient

Jerry, fess up!  You're driving 'Ras crazy, who is driving us crazy.  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,15:41   

Hmmm.  'Ras writes this on Oct. 11:
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 11 2011,09:32)
for fucks sake will one of you please tell me which one of you was jerry?


And exactly one week later, jerry pops up at UD again.  Chance and necessity, or design?

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,18:14   

Heh, a current DeNews headline:
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Sophisticated tool production system discovered, from 200,000-400,000 million years ago

Spotted by Bilbo I

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2011,21:42   

Denise has gone ISKCON? I didn't see that coming.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,06:15   

DeNews:
 
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When science becomes a frontal assault on reason and evidence: Multiple personality syndrome.

And who is "science" in this case?
 
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According to the author, Debbie Nathan, the memoir was cooked up by three individuals hungry for fame and fortune: Mason, her therapist Cornelia (Connie) Wilbur and journalist Flora Schreiber.

A psychiatric patient, her therapist, and a journalist.

Strangely reminiscent of the motley collection holding forth on all topics "science" at UD. Stands to reason that DeNews takes them as representing science proper.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,08:07   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 18 2011,18:14)
Heh, a current DeNews headline:
 
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Sophisticated tool production system discovered, from 200,000-400,000 million years ago

Spotted by Bilbo I

Maybe she meant to put million in parentheses. You know...like she meant to round the range up...

:D

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,08:15   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2011,15:41)
Hmmm.  'Ras writes this on Oct. 11:
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 11 2011,09:32)
for fucks sake will one of you please tell me which one of you was jerry?


And exactly one week later, jerry pops up at UD again.  Chance and necessity, or design?

Didn't Jerry already come out of the closet (so to speak) here? I seem to recall a specific person indicating he'd or she'd (why give it away again) have Jerry say something and viola...some 3 minutes later Jerry did in fact say those words.

I'll give a hint...the poster's name has has some wealth associated with it, though others see nix on it.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,16:15   

I can't tell whether, in this thread, Joseph is desperately trying to avoid learning anything that might contradict his religious views or if he's just that stupid.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,16:44   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 19 2011,16:15)
I can't tell whether, in this thread, Joseph is desperately trying to avoid learning anything that might contradict his religious views or if he's just that stupid.

You can always tell when Joseph knows the jig is up.  He abruptly changes his style and becomes, dare I say it, irrational.

I know, poor choice of words, but his style changes and he either changes the subject, claims victory or claims that he proved his point "earlier in the discussion" but never points to the entry number because, of course, he's done no such thing.

He's what we used to call in grad school "a little shit."  They never lasted very long.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,17:40   

BullyA is unknowingly correct:
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The Book is not the Ink and Hardware is not the Software


But it is in biochemistry, so analogies of DNA to human information are just that - analogies with limited application.  Unfortunately dullards of limited intelligence won't see it.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,17:55   

They really don't like OOL studies/research, do they? Really gets them going. Sample comments from the Jack Szostak on origin of life post:
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The least offensive way I can describe this is that it is irrational. Szostak is drawing conclusions based on nothing, and people are believing him.
- ScottAndrews
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Wasted money. Wasted time. Wasted science.
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,20:57   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 18 2011,21:42)
Denise has gone ISKCON? I didn't see that coming.

She'll look like Jerry Lewis! </WoodyAllen>  :p

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