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dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,11:06    Quote (ERV @ May 12 2008,10:58)   Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2008,08:52) DESIGN DETECTION SCORECARD AtBC: Judge Jones Flash animation voice : Dembski Gloppy: Marks Fuzzy dog turd in my garden : Sal UD: *Tumbleweed* These design detectives aren't very good. If you can't even *hide* design, you've got bugger all chance of finding it. PS - we didn't even use the EF  ;) We also figured out the 'Dick-Dawk' animator was Edmondson. And the Expelled cell animation was an XVIVO rip-off. PS "EF" - Exploratory Finger? Bend over and cough... -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,11:10    Quote (dogdidit @ May 12 2008,11:06) Quote (ERV @ May 12 2008,10:58)   Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2008,08:52) DESIGN DETECTION SCORECARD AtBC: Judge Jones Flash animation voice : Dembski Gloppy: Marks Fuzzy dog turd in my garden : Sal UD: *Tumbleweed* These design detectives aren't very good. If you can't even *hide* design, you've got bugger all chance of finding it. PS - we didn't even use the EF  ;) We also figured out the 'Dick-Dawk' animator was Edmondson. And the Expelled cell animation was an XVIVO rip-off. PS "EF" - Exploratory Finger? Bend over and cough... Tis all true. Abbie should blog on this for the sole purpose of upsetting them. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,11:16    Quote (J-Dog @ May 12 2008,11:03)       Quote (dogdidit @ May 12 2008,10:59)         Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 12 2008,10:55)           Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2008,10:27)           Quote 90 DaveScot 05/10/2008 11:51 am Tard Alert! DLH I don’t care if Sarfati is the Pope. In fact he’s a 144-hour creationist and when one of those calls me the moron the results aren’t going to be pretty if I respond in kind. So I removed him from the situation before it got worse. He’s got AiG or wherever to say what he wants. I’m not sure why he was even here in the first place. Linky? Here. I like the "comments are now closed on this thread". He does that here as well. Saves him the trouble of banninating all the Old Testament quoting posters one-by-one. Besides, that would empty the pews and leave him talking to an empty room. I think he is getting tired of being witnessed to, though. Gee, Davey, what was that you were saying about "lie down with dogs, get up with fleas"? -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,11:23    Quote (J-Dog @ May 12 2008,09:03)   Quote (dogdidit @ May 12 2008,10:59)   Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 12 2008,10:55)     Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2008,10:27)       Quote 90 DaveScot 05/10/2008 11:51 am Tard Alert! DLH I don’t care if Sarfati is the Pope. In fact he’s a 144-hour creationist and when one of those calls me the moron the results aren’t going to be pretty if I respond in kind. So I removed him from the situation before it got worse. He’s got AiG or wherever to say what he wants. I’m not sure why he was even here in the first place. Linky? Here. I like the "comments are now closed on this thread". Can't help but wonder how Dembski felt about Sarfati getting banned, since I doubt Bill would object to anything Sarfati said. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,11:38    Quote (dogdidit @ May 12 2008,10:59) Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 12 2008,10:55)   Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2008,10:27)     Quote 90 DaveScot 05/10/2008 11:51 am Tard Alert! DLH I don’t care if Sarfati is the Pope. In fact he’s a 144-hour creationist and when one of those calls me the moron the results aren’t going to be pretty if I respond in kind. So I removed him from the situation before it got worse. He’s got AiG or wherever to say what he wants. I’m not sure why he was even here in the first place. Linky? Here. Thank you!  Did anyone save the comments that lead to safarti getting the boot? Nevermind, found his comments. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,12:11    DLH jumps on the Darwin = "delegated fascism" bandwagon here.  We can only hope Davascot will drop by this thread and lend his 2 cents. Nothing beats a good tard fight. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,12:48    I've been having fun again. :D -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,13:14    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 12 2008,12:48) I've been having fun again. :D Beautiful.  Your comments seem to have sparked some actual signs of reason.  It looks like the intent of that thread has now been undermined by the insight of others.  I love it so! -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,14:53    Quote 12 May 2008 From Darwin to Delegated Fascism DLH Richard Pearcey traces how a Darwinian worldview leads to “delegated fascism”. These are critical issues in debating the societal CONSEQUENCES of Evolution vs Intelligent Design, (as distinct from the scientific origin theories themselves.) ——————————— Abortofascism and Free-Market Homicide By Rick Pearcey, Pro-Existance, May 12, 2008 What could I possible add to this?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,14:56    'possibly'. I need a nap.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,15:00    I think if I were trying to mock the wingnut crowd I couldn't do as good as that entry above. Down to the name 'pro-existence', which, let's be honest, is such a courageous stand.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,15:03    Dang. The UD commenter, not Rick Pearcey, misspelled 'existence'. If Pearcey had misspelled his own blog I might have had a tardgasm-induced stroke and been forced to retire.

OccamsAfterShave Posts: 5 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,15:49    Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2008,14:53) I assume Rick Pearcey is YEC Nancy Pearcey's husband? -------------- John Kassel

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,15:54    This Frost122585 character is good.  Almost too good: Quote 05/11/2008 4:04 pm No, to speak of Darwinian Evolution is to speak of a false theory that is being forced on people because of it’s usefulness as a philosphical back drop to certain political agendas. Hey,  DI:  give this cat a fellowship.  He's perfect. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,15:58    no doubt.  one of you fuckers is Frost and I am chomping at ye olde bits and pieces to know which one.  because whoever is doing that Tard is a geeeeeeeeenius.  PM me you asshole. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:02    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 12 2008,15:58) no doubt.  one of you fuckers is Frost and I am chomping at ye olde bits and pieces to know which one.  because whoever is doing that Tard is a geeeeeeeeenius.  PM me you asshole. Not me!  I could never sustain up a voice like that.  It's a sustained tightrope act. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:03    Oh, c'mon.  Seriously? joseg: Quote So I wonder about the giraffe with its long neck, to pick an easy example. The classic explanation is that giraffes with longer necks could reach leaves higher in trees, and had a survival advantage when food was scarce. That seems reasonable enough. But I wonder if the giraffes that strained and wished they had longer necks experienced some sort of stress, and giraffe-style wishfulness, that released any chemicals that could influence the odds of producing a long-necked child. In other words, do creatures guide their own evolutionary path through their desires?” I think he [Scott "Dilbert" Adams] may be on to something. Isn't there a JoeG over there and at Telic Thoughts?  I smell a Lamarckian rat. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:04    hmmmm.  something about the guilty, barking and the first i believe. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:06    This speaks teh awesome for its bad self(with just a dash of my bolding):   Quote Vladimir Krondan 05/11/2008 9:42 pm “it just cannot be the result of natural selection that biological forms show the same forms we also witness in spiraling minerals and in spiral galaxies.” Prior to origin of species, we had the very interesting book on Design by McCosh Typical Forms and Ends in Creation (1857) which makes this point many times over. If Piattelli-Palmarini is correct, it is yet more evidence that Darwinism caused a 150 year long retardation of science. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:09    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 12 2008,16:58) no doubt.  one of you fuckers is Frost and I am chomping at ye olde bits and pieces to know which one.  because whoever is doing that Tard is a geeeeeeeeenius.  PM me you asshole. In the past my own such messages went unrequited. Tightrope walkers don't like spoiling their concentration.

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:19    I think Frosty's (im)balance may be faltering.  This is just too TARDed:     Quote Frost122585 05/11/2008 10:20 pm dmso74- If you look at who is supporting DE and opposing ID they are by far leftists. The reason is that ID, while not a religion because it makes no moral or dogmatic claims about the way humans are to live- still supports most popular western religions. The NAS and the teacher’s unions prefer a more powerful state because they are state run institutions - and if you know any history it is the left that wants a larger more powerful state/ government. The left doesn’t like ID because it touches on what science cannot directly get at. Issues of free will and such which undermine the need for a powerful state. I need not make this case because it is totally obvious to anyone who has honestly and open mindedly studied the ID controversy. By supporting Darwinism you need not “support” survival of the fittest. In fact most supporters of DE actually cling to “the philosophy” insidiously imbedded in it such as those “random” mutations. That (random) implies a purposeless universe which is a qualitative view that undermines any reason for belief in anything larger that materialism– but we know from observations of backward calculations of probabilities as well as natural laws that the mutations are not random. They are strangely symmetrical– look up evolutionary “modularity” and such. The random part is used to get design out of the question and make the science class room or laboratory an atheistic bastion. You need not read Marx and the like to know that they saw God, religion, spirituality, in any form as merely “the opiate of the masses.” The left looks at design and anything bigger than materialism as being a road block to their utopia. Materialism is a “belief” that almost transcends even the bounds of philosophy- masquerading as impartial science. Another reason DE is a left wing thing is that the teachers in schools like it because it’s such a simple theory– “NS and RM are responcible for everyhting.” THis is not science and it is not where origins sceince should be. That is what the article and the interview featured on this thread is all about. Please read David Berlinski’s The Devil’s Delusion,- The politically Incorrect Guide to Science- and other tracks like that. Just...no. I'm invoking the argument from incredulity. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:20    Quote (didymos @ May 12 2008,16:03) Oh, c'mon.  Seriously? joseg: Quote So I wonder about the giraffe with its long neck, to pick an easy example. The classic explanation is that giraffes with longer necks could reach leaves higher in trees, and had a survival advantage when food was scarce. That seems reasonable enough. But I wonder if the giraffes that strained and wished they had longer necks experienced some sort of stress, and giraffe-style wishfulness, that released any chemicals that could influence the odds of producing a long-necked child. In other words, do creatures guide their own evolutionary path through their desires?” I think he [Scott "Dilbert" Adams] may be on to something. Isn't there a JoeG over there and at Telic Thoughts?  I smell a Lamarckian rat. I laughed out loud when I read joseg's post. Straining and wishing they had longer...necks?! P.S. For JoeG at AtBC see this thread. -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:30    My spam filter has been netting quite a few neck enlargement offers lately. "Stop straining and wishing! Give her what she's begging for --only $29.99!!!" Sometimes, I guess, an idea is just in the air. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:40    Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 12 2008,16:30) My spam filter has been netting quite a few neck enlargement offers lately. "Stop straining and wishing! Give her what she's begging for --only $29.99!!!" Sometimes, I guess, an idea is just in the air. You buy it once, CJ, You're on their mailing list forever... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:41    Quote Prior to origin of species, we had the very interesting book on Design by McCosh Typical Forms and Ends in Creation (1857) which makes this point many times over. If Piattelli-Palmarini is correct, it is yet more evidence that Darwinism caused a 150 year long retardation of science. He's right, the second half of the 19th century and the 20th century were pretty much a washout for science and the advancement of knowledge in general. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:43    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2008,16:40) Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 12 2008,16:30) My spam filter has been netting quite a few neck enlargement offers lately. "Stop straining and wishing! Give her what she's begging for --only $29.99!!!" Sometimes, I guess, an idea is just in the air. You buy it once, CJ, You're on their mailing list forever... :p Once?! Hell, I've tried every... Oh. heh. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:45    Quote (didymos @ May 12 2008,17:19) Quote [snip] The left doesn’t like ID because it touches on what science cannot directly get at. [snip some more] -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:45    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 12 2008,17:41) He's right, the second half of the 19th century and the 20th century were pretty much a washout for science and the advancement of knowledge in general. Exactly. While the Intelligent Design journal has been a cornucopia of results. http://www.iscid.org/pcid.php

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:47    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 12 2008,14:41) Quote Prior to origin of species, we had the very interesting book on Design by McCosh Typical Forms and Ends in Creation (1857) which makes this point many times over. If Piattelli-Palmarini is correct, it is yet more evidence that Darwinism caused a 150 year long retardation of science. He's right, the second half of the 19th century and the 20th century were pretty much a washout for science and the advancement of knowledge in general. No, man, think about it:  this is what happened to the flying cars.  I want my flying car you fucking Darwinist bastards!!!!! -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Maya Posts: 702 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2008,16:51    I felt guilty for all of you risking your minds while I sat here partaking of safely filtered tard, so I braved UD myself and returned with this coprolite: Quote Vladimir Krondan Quote JDH I have always considered the best question to ask an evolutionist is… “Given what we know NOW - NOT what might become known in the future - does your observations of the world favor design or chance as the reason for what we see.” Questions involving observations of the present are fatal to Darwinism. Along this theme, we can ask, “given what we know NOW about the population of dogs in my neighbourhood, what is the most fit dog?” There’s no way to answer that. Now I'm wracking my brain to figure out what transformation yields "Sock Puppet" from "Vladimir Krondan".

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