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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,02:04   

And people wonder why anyone would have a problem with the movie. Why? This is why:

     
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Friday, April 18, 2008
 

Expelled
Current mood: tired

So Alisha and I just watched Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. That's the movie by Ben Stein about the wall that evolutionists have up against any form of intelligent design. The argument he made is not one of getting religion into schools, but rather, to simply open the field of discussion and allow the freedom for scientists to approach science from whatever view point they'd like. No matter what you do every scientist is going to do research with certain presumptions about how things work, either randomly as in evolution, or by design as in intelligent design. Therefore, since this is America, science should be allowed from either view point. He proves that that isn't happening and that any scientist who values their career must keep quiet about any intelligent design fueled discoveries  that they make. The funny thing is, a ton of the greatests scientist, such as Newton and Einstien, believed in some form of creator and even went about their work with that as an important factor in mind. Yet today, some how, if you go about your work in a scientific field with that in mind, you won't have anything you write published and you'll probably lose all funding for your research. How does that make sense? Why not just let the evidence speak for itself, no matter what you believe about Darwin and religion.
Another interesting thing that he brought up was the connection between Dawinism, Hitler, and the Nazis. Apparently Hitler was a stout Darwinist and he actually thought he was doing a good thing by exterminating lesser humans. You see, from a true Darwinists perspective, humans are merely animals, and when we die, we just die, there is no real value in human life. So when Hitler opened the concentration camps he was using them for political purposes obviously, but also to get rid of the sick, the lame, the old, and the lesser races in order to speed evolution along and help create the next generation of more advanced human beings. From his point of view this was a good thing, and if Darwinism were true, it really would be a good thing. I think we all know better that that though. I hope.
Anyway, it was an interesting movie that was simply about freedom, and the current state of persecution in science. I recommend it.


Bolding mine. So, even though they swear it wasn't really their point, the filmmaker's have now convinced someone that, yep, the Holocaust was Darwin's fault.  And, as you can see the patriotic, protect-the-underdog button-pushing worked like a goddamn charm.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,04:55   

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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,08:42   

According to my cable guide, NeinStein was supposed to be on Larry King last night (was this a repeat?), but he got bumped for breaking news on the Eldorado polygamist cult.  Poor Ben got stifled by the Darwinist conspiracy yet again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,09:15   

*COUGH!*

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Name for their animation "Inner Life of a 1982 TRON Cell"

They tried soooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaard and its still stupid LOOOOOL!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,09:36   

Ooooohh... pretty colors.... shiny....  
They know their target audience.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,12:08   

From Evolution News and Views

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The producers of Expelled have high hopes as the film opens today.

Practical questions of theater exposures and audience awareness are things that we, as a think tank, cannot assess, of course. But we are cheering the filmmakers on. First signs look positive. The over-the-top attacks of most official reviewers--offended by the film's message, not its quality--may turn out to help in some quarters. These are the exact same reviewers who commonly tell us not to object to offensive Hollywood products, but just to judge a film for its production quality. By now a large share of the population is wise to such hypocritical standards.


Now for the truth from Fantasy Moguls

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Nathan Frankowski's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a documentary being released on more than 1,000 screens by Christian-friendly Rocky Mountain Pictures. Those who have seen it categorize it as anti-Darwinism propaganda, featuring right wing commentator Ben Stein. I’m sure that there's an audience out there somewhere for this type of doc, but there has been very little "intelligent design" involved in marketing the movie. With a Total Aware of only 19 percent and a First Choice score of just 2 percent, Expelled will manage only $1 million-$3 million this weekend, and it will have a difficult time holding on to those screens. It's doomed to $5 million domestic in its theatrical engagements (survival of the fittest?), although a fair number of DVD copies may be sold in evangelical bookstores in the future.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,13:03   

FtK links to a blog post by uber-tard Jason Rennie, invoking the bias of the "liberal media" as a factor in the thus far tepid response to NeinStein's crockumentary. Jason's blog has a single comment congratulating him on this stunning insight, posted by another uber-tard, William Wallace. All three seem to agree that this liberal bias is a problem.

FtK, can you not admit the possibility that the movie actually just plain stinks? Have you read the reviews? Why invoke a complicated explanation (liberal media conspiracy) when a simple one (bad movie) will do? Can you bypass the seemingly automatic persecution reflex just this once?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,14:17   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 19 2008,13:03)
FtK links to a blog post by uber-tard Jason Rennie, invoking the bias of the "liberal media" as a factor in the thus far tepid response to NeinStein's crockumentary. Jason's blog has a single comment congratulating him on this stunning insight, posted by another uber-tard, William Wallace. All three seem to agree that this liberal bias is a problem.

FtK, can you not admit the possibility that the movie actually just plain stinks? Have you read the reviews? Why invoke a complicated explanation (liberal media conspiracy) when a simple one (bad movie) will do? Can you bypass the seemingly automatic persecution reflex just this once?

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it? FtK exhibits a textbook case of true believer syndrome, and also has incurable confirmation bias.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,14:39   

$1.1 million at box office on opening night.  I'm not sure whether to celebrate or cry.


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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,15:28   

Otherwise Known As Kevin writes:
       
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Expelled Exposed is supposed to reveal Expelled to be nothing more than "anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none." But all it really does is expose the NCSE as an anti-science, anti-education propaganda mill that is hell bent on stifling discussion and debate at every turn.


Shorter Miller:  Don't disagree with me.  That's suppresive. *whine*

Kev also says Expelled opened in 1050 theaters. So, taking the box-office from "The Numbers", $1,126,000, and doing a Dembski-style Bayesian thing, you get an average of $1072.38 in ticket sales per theater.  Taking $7 as the average ticket price, that gives an average of roughly 153 tickets sold per theater.  If you just divide the box-office, then approx. 160,857 people across the land actually paid to watch the soon-to-be-a-classic film.  Yeah, that sucks.  Clearly, a chilling example of the Darwinist Thought Suppression Directorate at work.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:01   

I think they'll probably see a boost in the numbers on Sunday,   what with various after church socials and youth groups getting taken to it.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:01   

About 160,857 people across the land are now slightly more ignorant than they were on Thursday.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:10   

Edited as I contemplate my own brilliance!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:17   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ April 19 2008,14:10)
Am I breaking any rules when I say I've been reading Kevin Miller's blog for a while now and it's easy to conclude Kevin Miller XI is a whiny little pussy?

It's an informed conclusion, it's not like I'm calling him a little pussy because I don't like him.  

Anyhow, sorry if I have broken any rules, feel free to delete this post or banish me to UD for it, but I just felt the need to be blunt. What a whiny little dishonest weak sister.

Me.

Well, there is a slight (alot) of sexism in you choice of invective.  I perfer the gender neutral "ass hole" or "scum sucking worm" or "turd brained coward."  You get the idea.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:21   

Quote (factician @ April 19 2008,13:39)
$1.1 million at box office on opening night.  I'm not sure whether to celebrate or cry.


Linko

Give it time. Box office receipts must be measured against the number of days it runs.

I don't think it looks promising for them.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:46   

Ahh what was I saying again?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:53   

Quote (Dr.GH @ April 19 2008,16:01)
About 160,857 people across the land are now slightly more ignorant than they were on Thursday.

The real question is how many people altered their opinions in favor of ID based upon it.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,16:56   

Quote (Annyday @ April 19 2008,16:53)
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About 160,857 people across the land are now slightly more ignorant than they were on Thursday.

The real question is how many bought it.

From the blog posts I've read of people who've seen the movie, a large proportion of them seem to rather credulous.

Big Gadget has a lot of work to do.  We're tracking down their IP addresses and will send over the Thought Police pronto.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,17:03   

Quote (don_quixote @ April 19 2008,04:55)
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

ROFL =gasp= MAO I can't =wheeze= stand it! =gasp= Gimme some =gasp= oxygen! =turns blue, falls over=

"This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it."

A classic what? Drunken frat-party flick? All-time record downloaded torrent?

Speaking of torrents, they're all reported as fake so far. Too soon for anyone even to have cameraphone-bootlegged it. But fear not—it will be out on DVD long before the producers had hoped.  :p  :p  :p  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,17:08   

Quote (themadlolscientist @ April 19 2008,15:03)
 
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

ROFL =gasp= MAO I can't =wheeze= stand it! =gasp= Gimme some =gasp= oxygen! =turns blue, falls over=

"This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it."

A classic what? Drunken frat-party flick? All-time record downloaded torrent?

A 'classic' in the same sense as Reefer Madness, Red Dawn, or Triumph of the Will.

But I doubt it'll make as much money as any of those.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,17:17   

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Quote (themadlolscientist @ April 19 2008,15:03)
   
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

ROFL =gasp= MAO I can't =wheeze= stand it! =gasp= Gimme some =gasp= oxygen! =turns blue, falls over=

"This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it."

A classic what? Drunken frat-party flick? All-time record downloaded torrent?

A 'classic' in the same sense as Reefer Madness, Red Dawn, or Triumph of the Will.

But I doubt it'll make as much money as any of those.

Hey now, I liked Red Dawn when it came out.

'course I was a fundy then...

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,17:50   

Quote (factician @ April 19 2008,20:39)
$1.1 million at box office on opening night.  I'm not sure whether to celebrate or cry.


Linko

Is that before or after the various "cash for stubs" schemes are accounted for?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,18:02   

Quote (factician @ April 19 2008,14:39)
$1.1 million at box office on opening night.  I'm not sure whether to celebrate or cry.


Linko

Expelled could be as big a hit as One Night with the King:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/ONWTK.php

It made 4,1 million dollars in its first weekend, with only 909 theaters. One Night with the King was also distributed by Rocky Mountain Pictures.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,18:02   

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 19 2008,17:17)
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Quote (themadlolscientist @ April 19 2008,15:03)
   
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

ROFL =gasp= MAO I can't =wheeze= stand it! =gasp= Gimme some =gasp= oxygen! =turns blue, falls over=

"This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it."

A classic what? Drunken frat-party flick? All-time record downloaded torrent?

A 'classic' in the same sense as Reefer Madness, Red Dawn, or Triumph of the Will.

But I doubt it'll make as much money as any of those.

Hey now, I liked Red Dawn when it came out.

'course I was a fundy then...

Triumph of the Will is one of the most influential films ever made. I mean, it's batshit, but that's not the point! Riefenstahl was good at being lying propagandist.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,19:23   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 19 2008,17:08)
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From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

ROFL =gasp= MAO I can't =wheeze= stand it! =gasp= Gimme some =gasp= oxygen! =turns blue, falls over=

"This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it."

A classic what? Drunken frat-party flick? All-time record downloaded torrent?

A 'classic' in the same sense as Reefer Madness, Red Dawn, or Triumph of the Will.

But I doubt it'll make as much money as any of those.

Hey, Reefer Madness: the Musical is one of my favorite movies of all time.  And who do we have to thank for that, those wacky 50s Reefer Madness people.  Cranks have their place.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2008,20:17   

I took a field trip today and gave those lying snakes my $7.50. I figured that since I've been following the saga for the last year or two I should actually see the film.

I live about 2 miles from Stephan Meyer's office in Redmond, WA and I saw the film in the theater just down the street from there.

There were perhaps 80 to 100 people at the 2:50pm matinee. It looked to me like most were in their 40s or older. There were two teenage girls a few rows in front of me, and I was really wondering if Bueller-Ben was that big of a draw for them. They left before Ben's 3 minute opening speech, though, so I guess the answer was no.

Based on the location of the laughs and the post-film conversations I overheard, I'd say that one half or more of the audience was neutral or positive about the movie's message.

I was a little surprised that the movie was even more badshit than I expected; so in that sense I'm glad I saw it. And I'm sad to say that I can see where it would be compelling to someone who knows little about the history of evolution science.

It was great to see, though, that the top IDiots all lined up on camera to convincingly assosciate ID with "God." The ID movement would have trouble winning any first amendment case on the back of anyone in that film now, I think.

For the full effect, I even went to "Victors Coffee" (the coffee shop where Stephan Meyer was interviewed) on the way home. I'd never been in there and it turns out they have pretty good coffee and cheesecake! So, thanks Ben, for educating me. There is an 8x10 Expelled flyer hanging next to the register with a note that reads "Go see this movie - Victor's is in it!".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,05:52   

I've seen a few posts from attendees to the Neinstein Express that mention the age make-up of the audience to be mainly 40+. Based on such scant evidence, I'm willing to conjecture that the appeal to such a demographic stems from the "darwinism threatens our American way of life" theme of this mockumentary rather than concerns about academic persecution. There's something here that needs to be addressed but I can't quite put my finger on it.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,06:37   

Old people are evil.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,06:57   

It's good to know that Dembski is clutching at straws:
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This just in from those ever so clever Internet Infidels: “So I went and saw it [EXPELLED] today. No, I didn’t give Ben Stein any of my money — I bought a ticket to a different movie starting at the same time.”

It makes one wonder how much larger EXPELLED’s take would be if Darwinists pulling this trick were factored in.

The comments in this thread are fantastic. Here are some of the best:
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I’ve seen this mentioned by Darwinists several times today as well.

Yes, it really makes you wonder what the box office would report if Darwin supporters made an attempt to be honest and pay to see the film they were actually attending.


Dog_of_War runs some numbers
   
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You figure about 4 people per showing (just a number I pulled out of the air, but it seems reasonable), 1,050 theaters with 2 showings per theater, that’s 8,400 people per day.

At 7 dollars per ticket, that’s $58,800 a day. Not a big number as movie grosses go, but it adds up. Over a reasonable run, that could easily add up to over a million dollars.

P-Chaw. It won't run that long, apart from anything else.

Larry "I'm not insane" farfarlanman with his steel trap lawyer mind says:
   
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I have an idea for putting an end to this nonsense. The theatres should place guards outside the projection rooms along with nice big conspicuous embarrassing signs — for everyone to see — saying “Darwinists without tickets for ‘Expelled’ will not be admitted.”

In his alternate reality that might be possible. In the actual reality? It appears Larry has never tried to organise or cost anything more then complex then a happy meal.

Gerry Rzeppa then caricatures the worst of pious religious people when he says
     
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Two points for Christians:

1. We shouldn’t expect bad people to do good things. Nor should we be surprised or disappointed when they do bad things. It’s their nature to act as they do.

2. We shouldn’t waste time and energy trying to coerce bad people to do good things. That’s the job of the secular government, not the Church. Our job is to overcome evil with good, Romans 12:21.

"It’s their nature to act as they do"? And anyway, it's good to know Dembski is out there surfing the forums looking for blog posts.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2008,07:01   

On his blog, Kevin wrote:
   
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Watch the film for yourself, and you'll discover that at no point does it or Sternberg claim he was fired. Just goes to show that you should probably study the evidence before you draw your conclusions.


I wrote a simple response reminding him that afterwards Sternberg's picture was covered with a great big expelled rubber stamp, and asked him from what Sternberg was expelled.

The dishonest little weasel deleted the comment, after he had said that he was just too gosh darn busy to answer everyone's questions immediately.

 
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I'm just way to busy right now to duke it out with you folks. Don't worry though, a thorough response to all of the so-called "rebuttals" to our film is forthcoming. You may have to wait until the fall to get it, but it will come.


In other words, don't call me, I'll call you, right Kevin?  You'd love to explain how you're really NOT a deceitful fundamentalist propagandist, but you're too busy... doing what exactly?  Defending against copyright lawsuits?  Practicing your Oscar acceptance speech?

I guess he's at least more savvy than the UD people, he selectively grooms the dissent to make it look like he's allowing people to freely question him, but he removes the simple questions that he has no answer for.  It fooled me, that's why I posted.  I was hoping he'd try to dazzle me with bullshit, not just pretend the question had never been asked.

I do know that he's been asked the same question here back when he was playing at being our friendly neighborhood screenwriter, and that he failed to answer it then as well.  That's where I got the question from, it's so much simpler than any details about the way that the movie uses lies by omission to attempt to "technically" speak the truth while misleading the viewers.

  
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