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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2017,11:29   

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Strike up the banned?

Right in his living room.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2017,12:58   

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K.e.. "So on a scale of 5 how many stars?"

BA77 uses a different metric.  I rated his video at 4.8 black holes.

I'd give it the same degree as that of the insightfulness and engagement being expressed at UD about the topic video: 3 degrees Kelvin

So overall a rotten herrings score of - 270C?

Is oil of ad hominem even liquid at that temperature?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2017,14:52   

Is anything besides He liquid at that temperature?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2017,09:42   

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Is anything besides He liquid at that temperature?

That would explain why Gordon Mullings sounds like Donald Duck ....with a gun.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2017,10:27   

Surely you're not saying that he's quacked up?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2017,11:14   

Gordo serenading the UD crowd.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 18 2017,17:26   

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I believe what rvb8 meant to say was:

“Firstly, poorly-educated atheists, like me, do not admit an appearance of fine tuning.”

As kairosfocus conclusively proved, educated atheists fully accept the fine-tuning of the cosmos.


Any sentence that begins "As kairosfocus conclusively proved"...
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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 18 2017,21:52   

"Fine-tuning"? Doesn't that just mean there's a bunch of physical constants that have to be close to their observed values for life as we know it to exist?

I'm not sure though if that should read "life as we know it" or "any life at all". The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,05:13   

Despite enduring what most people would think of as abject humiliation on Corny Hunter's blog a few years back, PaV still seems to consider himself a bit of an expert on probability.

Over on the Darwinism: Why its failed predictions don't matter thread he at least seems to understand now that P cannot be greater than 1, but as far as I can tell he confuses the idea of a random card deal with one that you choose yourself. I can't quite figure it out, but it kills darwinism dead because amino acids, proteins and Fred Hoyle. Or something. UD link.

Edited by Ptaylor on May 20 2017,10:33

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,09:46   

Quote (Henry J @ May 18 2017,22:52)
"Fine-tuning"? Doesn't that just mean there's a bunch of physical constants that have to be close to their observed values for life as we know it to exist?

I'm not sure though if that should read "life as we know it" or "any life at all". The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

I don't think 'fine-tuning' makes any sense.

Anti-tuning makes just as much sense. Only an incredibly small portion of the universe can support life? Out of 100 elements only one can be the basis of life? It took 4 billion years of evolution before intelligent life? How do you guess the probabilities? You can't, it's all naval-gazing bullshit.

Some physicists love playing philosopher, doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,09:49   

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The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

in the same way that the Pacific Ocean is slightly moist.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,11:31   

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The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

in the same way that the Pacific Ocean is slightly moist.

Well, it is definitely more slightly moist than the Atlantic

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,12:18   

Quote (Ptaylor @ May 19 2017,05:13)
Despite enduring what most people would think of as enduring abject humiliation on Corny Hunter's blog a few years back, PaV still seems to consider himself a bit of an expert on probability.

Over on the Darwinism: Why its failed predictions don't matter thread he at least seems to understand now that P cannot be greater than 1, but as far as I can tell he confuses the idea of a random card deal with one that you choose yourself. I can't quite figure it out, but it kills darwinism dead because amino acids, proteins and Fred Hoyle. Or something. UD link.

No matter how hard you try, and how simple you make it, you can never get one of these people to understand (or admit, in some cases) that they're making an argument that assumes its own conclusion.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,12:32   

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Quote (Ptaylor @ May 19 2017,05:13)
Despite enduring what most people would think of as enduring abject humiliation on Corny Hunter's blog a few years back, PaV still seems to consider himself a bit of an expert on probability.

Over on the Darwinism: Why its failed predictions don't matter thread he at least seems to understand now that P cannot be greater than 1, but as far as I can tell he confuses the idea of a random card deal with one that you choose yourself. I can't quite figure it out, but it kills darwinism dead because amino acids, proteins and Fred Hoyle. Or something. UD link.

No matter how hard you try, and how simple you make it, you can never get one of these people to understand (or admit, in some cases) that they're making an argument that assumes its own conclusion.

Well, no.  Assuming the conclusion is what ID does.  If they didn't assume their conclusion, they wouldn't be IDiots.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2017,17:05   

That's what happens with people who judge validity of claims by how they feel about it rather than using logic and evidence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2017,10:50   

Quote (stevestory @ May 19 2017,09:46)
   
Quote (Henry J @ May 18 2017,22:52)
"Fine-tuning"? Doesn't that just mean there's a bunch of physical constants that have to be close to their observed values for life as we know it to exist?

I'm not sure though if that should read "life as we know it" or "any life at all". The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

I don't think 'fine-tuning' makes any sense.

Anti-tuning makes just as much sense. Only an incredibly small portion of the universe can support life? Out of 100 elements only one can be the basis of life? It took 4 billion years of evolution before intelligent life? How do you guess the probabilities? You can't, it's all naval-gazing bullshit.

Some physicists love playing philosopher, doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.


Indeed, puddle gazing even. I forget who I first saw point it out, and I'm probably not going to do that author any justice, but what they are essentially saying with these arguments is that their invisible friend must have made the universe exactly this way and only this way works. Without admitting this implied assertion, they are presuming to know the limitations of their friend, who they will happily tell you in entirely different context is omnipotent. This is the only way they can make their number based argument from incredulity fly.

Once you start admitting your invisible friend could make life based on any other element or tune the universe for life in any other way (which at this point is some infinitesimally small percentage of the whole, within a thin layer of atmosphere on one spheroid ball of rock, that is known) you've admitted that all your calculations are based on an argument from ignorance and are pretty much futile. Just like all the others that presume to exclude all *cough* known *cough* natural processes and wind up with "designermusthavedidit". Which is so amazingly successful as a science that Dembski said "fuck it, I have better things to do".

It's a steaming pile of disingenuous bullshit.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2017,22:19   

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Quote (stevestory @ May 19 2017,09:46)
     
Quote (Henry J @ May 18 2017,22:52)
"Fine-tuning"? Doesn't that just mean there's a bunch of physical constants that have to be close to their observed values for life as we know it to exist?

I'm not sure though if that should read "life as we know it" or "any life at all". The later has to be much trickier to evaluate.

I don't think 'fine-tuning' makes any sense.

Anti-tuning makes just as much sense. Only an incredibly small portion of the universe can support life? Out of 100 elements only one can be the basis of life? It took 4 billion years of evolution before intelligent life? How do you guess the probabilities? You can't, it's all naval-gazing bullshit.

Some physicists love playing philosopher, doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.


Indeed, puddle gazing even. I forget who I first saw point it out, and I'm probably not going to do that author any justice, but what they are essentially saying with these arguments is that their invisible friend must have made the universe exactly this way and only this way works. Without admitting this implied assertion, they are presuming to know the limitations of their friend, who they will happily tell you in entirely different context is omnipotent. This is the only way they can make their number based argument from incredulity fly.

Once you start admitting your invisible friend could make life based on any other element or tune the universe for life in any other way (which at this point is some infinitesimally small percentage of the whole, within a thin layer of atmosphere on one spheroid ball of rock, that is known) you've admitted that all your calculations are based on an argument from ignorance and are pretty much futile. Just like all the others that presume to exclude all *cough* known *cough* natural processes and wind up with "designermusthavedidit". Which is so amazingly successful as a science that Dembski said "fuck it, I have better things to do".

It's a steaming pile of disingenuous bullshit.

Douglas Adams.

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2017,00:32   

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Douglas Adams.


Ah, yeah. I knew that, the puddle part. It's my fault for lack of clarity there. I meant the overall point I was trying to convey about the the fine-tuning argument being disingenuous I picked up from someone else.

I wish I could recall who or where I read it because they certainly framed or described it better than I was able, I'm sure.

As an aside, wouldn't it be nice to be some sort of advanced photosynthesis type creature living on sunlight and shit whatnot instead of stuffing food in your choke hole, advanced turd processing like an earthworm, and screwing with your pee parts? The designer is fond of beetles and butt custard apparently.

(edit: {s} because I actually meant that figuratively, not literally, lol)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2017,13:26   

Is anybody else getting warnings about Uncommon Descent's security certificate not being trusted?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2017,18:44   

I've been discussing with kairosfocus (if you can call it that) whether objective morality exists, or not.

I think kf's general argument can be summed up with the following train of logic.

If X then Y
I don't like the consequences if Y is true,
Therefore, not X.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2017,19:09   

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Is anybody else getting warnings about Uncommon Descent's security certificate not being trusted?


I'm not in Firefox, but I don't now how useful that is beyond knowing that it complains when the certificate is expired or a sites SSL configuration is faulty.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2017,19:19   

Quote (Jkrebs @ May 22 2017,18:44)
I've been discussing with kairosfocus (if you can call it that) whether objective morality exists, or not.

I think kf's general argument can be summed up with the following train of logic.

If X then Y
I don't like the consequences if Y is true,
Therefore, not X.


Reminds me of the complimentary complaint that if god doesn't exist then there is no ultimate justice. That means criminals and sinners won't receive their due course so there is no reason for anyone to behave. So people should believe there is a god or bad things will happen therefore atheism is bad.

Also, I am pretty much ok with those that make this kind of argument continuing to cram their butts into pews on a weekly basis if that's what it takes for them to not be all rapey and murdery, etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2017,22:21   

Quote (Lethean @ May 23 2017,03:19)
Quote (Jkrebs @ May 22 2017,18:44)
I've been discussing with kairosfocus (if you can call it that) whether objective morality exists, or not.

I think kf's general argument can be summed up with the following train of logic.

If X then Y
I don't like the consequences if Y is true,
Therefore, not X.


Reminds me of the complimentary complaint that if god doesn't exist then there is no ultimate justice. That means criminals and sinners won't receive their due course so there is no reason for anyone to behave. So people should believe there is a god or bad things will happen therefore atheism is bad.

Also, I am pretty much ok with those that make this kind of argument continuing to cram their butts into pews on a weekly basis if that's what it takes for them to not be all rapey and murdery, etc.

That and keeping pedophiles off the streets and in the confessional, should work a treat. The whole aim of the fundy project is to replace law from Rome with lore from Jerusalem. Theocracy by definition removes democracy and gives dictatorial powers to a few who can impose any arbitrary laws they see fit. All with the imprimatur of their own personal deity and God help the others.

As for kf's hurricane in a rum glass, not even the Governor of Montserrat's gatehouse guard answers his calls anymore.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,02:24   

It's getting boring around here, isn't it?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,09:24   

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It's getting boring around here, isn't it?

That's only because it has been very boring at UD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,11:12   

Less boring than when they are posting lots of, er,  stuff?  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,11:30   

I've gone to UD a few times in the last week, but didn't really see anything commentable.

They're just in a lull. There hasn't been any real reason for them to exist since Dembski left. They try different strategies to fill the void. Maybe we'll get some fabulous new direction coming soon.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,13:37   

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I've gone to UD a few times in the last week, but didn't really see anything commentable.

They're just in a lull. There hasn't been any real reason for them to exist since Dembski left. They try different strategies to fill the void. Maybe we'll get some fabulous new direction coming soon.

I think the last remaining air leaked out of the balloon when Dembski walked away from ID.  UD is just another far-right culture-war site now.  Funnier than a lot of them thanks to Gordon's continued downward spiral, but there's only so many laughs you can get out of mental illness.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2017,15:25   

The UD site has had an expired security certificate for over a week. Perhaps that is Barry's exit strategy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2017,07:51   

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WTF does that headline even mean? I can't parse it.

https://uncommondescent.com/intelli....cessary

   
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