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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,07:19   

Quote (K.Anderson @ Aug. 20 2015,13:31)
Instead, the entire purpose of the paper was simply to describe the discovery of pliable, soft tissue within a Triceratops horn.  This had not been reported before, and it is also significant in that the horn was far from “pristinely” preserved prior to recovery. (The significance of other “non-pristinely” preserved specimens has recently been reported in Nature Communication.)  The methodology we used is standard extraction and preparation protocols employed by other labs doing similar investigations. These methods have proven appropriate for extraction of tissue containing a variety of cells and proteins.

this looks curious for a few reasons:
1. If the purpose of the paper was to report soft tissue in Triceratops horn, why didn't this appear in a palaeontology journal? Why chose a microscopy journal, which doesn't specialise in fossils? Isn't it totally the wrong audience for this?
2. If the horn "was far from “pristinely” preserved prior to recovery", doesn't this increase the chance of having contaminants?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,09:50   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 22 2015,13:10)
Between the poor field work, and dubious lab work, I formed the opinion that the "triceratops horn core" was not a dinosaur at all. I have suspected a Quaternary bison.

Interesting hypothesis!

Here is their find



Here is a fossil bison horn circa 30,000 BC


Both are the same size, approx. 60 cm long x 25 cm diameter.

I wonder if Kevin will tell us how they did identify this as coming from a triceratops.  All the paper has is this
 
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The length, girth and external morphology of the fossil was consistent with other Triceratops horns recovered from the Hell Creek Formation.  Disarticulated Triceratopsr ibs(HCTR-11) and vertebrae(HCTV 22) found within a mile of the horn were also recovered for analysis.

So it superficially looked like a triceratops horn and other pieces of triceratops were found within a mile.  I'd think they would need a much better method of identification than that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,10:12   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2015,09:50)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 22 2015,13:10)
Between the poor field work, and dubious lab work, I formed the opinion that the "triceratops horn core" was not a dinosaur at all. I have suspected a Quaternary bison.

Interesting hypothesis!

Here is their find



Here is a fossil bison horn circa 30,000 BC


Both are the same size, approx. 60 cm long x 25 cm diameter.

I wonder if Kevin will tell us how they did identify this as coming from a triceratops.  All the paper has is this
 
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The length, girth and external morphology of the fossil was consistent with other Triceratops horns recovered from the Hell Creek Formation.  Disarticulated Triceratopsr ibs(HCTR-11) and vertebrae(HCTV 22) found within a mile of the horn were also recovered for analysis.

So it superficially looked like a triceratops horn and other pieces of triceratops were found within a mile.  I'd think they would need a much better method of identification than that.

If it looks designed, then it must be designed.

If it looks like a triceratops, then it must be a triceratops.

Because...

Geez, they're all alike.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,13:26   

I am thinking about writing a little comparison between the Armitage&Anderson bullshit and Mary Schwietzer's many publications that might seem similar.

I'll also work in the fact that she was one of the peer reviewers for A&A.

Edited by Dr.GH on Aug. 23 2015,11:26

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,17:02   

But was a saddle of appropriate size and shape also found in the area?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,18:12   

Up to now I haven't paid much attention to this triceratops horn (or whatever it is), but I've done some searches for more info and have found that it is (or was) a popular topic, especially on some creationist websites, such as this one:

http://youngearth.com/soft-ti....eratops

Take a look at this site:

http://blog.drwile.com/?p=1317....p=13176

In one of his comments in that thread jlwile says that a guy named Hugh Miller "was the original discoverer of the fossil". Is that correct?

Here's an article on the creationmoments website that has a comment by Miller below it:

http://www.creationmoments.com/resourc....ionists

Here's an amusing story about meeting Miller at a conference:

https://boingboing.net/2014.......at.html

Here's a site that is apparently owned/operated by Miller and associates:

http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbond....ing.htm

There are some comments here about Miller's claims:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio....als-dat

And here's all the proof you'll ever need to believe that humans rode and fought dinosaurs (Yabba Dabba Doo!):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hugoc14....istence

I wasn't previously familiar with Miller (although I may have seen his name mentioned somewhere) but it appears that he's a fairly prominent soldier in the YEC war against science and sanity. Some of you are likely well aware of Miller and his claims.

And here's another picture of and article about the triceratops(?) horn:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-ev....-020159

Edited by The whole truth on Aug. 23 2015,16:17

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,18:38   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 22 2015,20:26)
Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 22 2015,19:54)
For anyone who is interested, in addition to the articles that Dr.GH pointed out, a couple of good phrases to use in a search are redeposition of fossils and reworked fossils.

Yep.

I bring a sack of beach pebbles to lectures. They have clasts from various kinds of rock, and some little fossil bone frags, or shells. I take the students through the steps - igneous, weathering, sedimentary, metamorphic, weathering, pebble.

My first slide in a historical geology lecture is always the tree slab below. We don't just count rings, or piles of strata. They all have a history to tell us.

That's an interesting slab. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that heat from a fire has something to do with the way it looks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,18:44   

Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 23 2015,16:38)
That's an interesting slab. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that heat from a fire has something to do with the way it looks.

Nine fires. Drought. Beetle infestation. Finally cut down for a highway widening project.

:(

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,18:52   

Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 23 2015,16:12)
I wasn't previously familiar with Miller (although I may have seen his name mentioned somewhere) but it appears that he's a fairly prominent soldier in the YEC war against science and sanity. Some of you are likely well aware of Miller and his claims.

The creationists are all over the park about who found the "triceratops horn."

PS: Thanks for the links. They are great

Fred Williams was a "co-founder of the first site that you linked. He is a YEC with an engineering degree. He was ruthless at taking over creationist websites 15 years ago. He would be asked to be a moderator. Then he would start banning opposing posts, and ultimately ban the founding members leaving him in control.

Edited by Dr.GH on Aug. 23 2015,17:05

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,18:58   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 23 2015,08:12)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2015,09:50)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 22 2015,13:10)
Between the poor field work, and dubious lab work, I formed the opinion that the "triceratops horn core" was not a dinosaur at all. I have suspected a Quaternary bison.

Interesting hypothesis!

Here is their find



Here is a fossil bison horn circa 30,000 BC


Both are the same size, approx. 60 cm long x 25 cm diameter.

I wonder if Kevin will tell us how they did identify this as coming from a triceratops.  All the paper has is this
   
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The length, girth and external morphology of the fossil was consistent with other Triceratops horns recovered from the Hell Creek Formation.  Disarticulated Triceratopsr ibs(HCTR-11) and vertebrae(HCTV 22) found within a mile of the horn were also recovered for analysis.

So it superficially looked like a triceratops horn and other pieces of triceratops were found within a mile.  I'd think they would need a much better method of identification than that.

If it looks designed, then it must be designed.

If it looks like a triceratops, then it must be a triceratops.

Because...

Geez, they're all alike.

And even if it is a triceratops horn, there are some problems and unanswered questions in regard to the other claims about it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,19:17   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 23 2015,16:44)
Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 23 2015,16:38)
That's an interesting slab. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that heat from a fire has something to do with the way it looks.

Nine fires. Drought. Beetle infestation. Finally cut down for a highway widening project.

:(

If I stand on my head and squint real hard I think I can see an image of jesus in the damage caused by beetles. :p

Seriously though, it's a bummer that the tree was cut down. After all it had gone through, it only took minutes with a chainsaw to kill it. It's nice that you use a piece of it as an educational tool.

You're welcome for the links.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,19:19   

Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 23 2015,17:17)
Seriously though, it's a bummer that the tree was cut down. After all it had gone through, it only took minutes with a chainsaw to kill it. It's nice that you use a piece of it as an educational tool.

It lives on in powerpoint land.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,21:20   

I looked around the youngearth.com website a bit which led me to a couple of pages that some of you may want to check out (some of you may already know about them):

http://kgov.com/search.....deniers

http://kgov.com/tricera....rmitage

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,22:56   

Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 23 2015,18:12)
Up to now I haven't paid much attention to this triceratops horn (or whatever it is), but I've done some searches for more info and have found that it is (or was) a popular topic, especially on some creationist websites, such as this one:

http://youngearth.com/soft-ti....eratops

Take a look at this site:

http://blog.drwile.com/?p=1317....p=13176

In one of his comments in that thread jlwile says that a guy named Hugh Miller "was the original discoverer of the fossil". Is that correct?

Here's an article on the creationmoments website that has a comment by Miller below it:

http://www.creationmoments.com/resourc....ionists

Here's an amusing story about meeting Miller at a conference:

https://boingboing.net/2014.......at.html

Here's a site that is apparently owned/operated by Miller and associates:

http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbond....ing.htm

There are some comments here about Miller's claims:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio....als-dat

And here's all the proof you'll ever need to believe that humans rode and fought dinosaurs (Yabba Dabba Doo!;):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hugoc14....istence

I wasn't previously familiar with Miller (although I may have seen his name mentioned somewhere) but it appears that he's a fairly prominent soldier in the YEC war against science and sanity. Some of you are likely well aware of Miller and his claims.

And here's another picture of and article about the triceratops(?) horn:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-ev....-020159

This is pretty funny from Miller's claim to have accurately C14 dated the latest A&A specimen.

   
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The sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the “bulk” or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone bioapatite yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years [UGAMS-11752 & 11752a]


I wonder how the animal managed to have different sections of its same horn live 7500 years apart? :p

If you look at some of Miller's other C14 claims you can see the same pattern.  Different pieces of the same animal dating almost 10K years apart.  But there's no chance of contamination, no siree.

YECs aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2015,23:01   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2015,22:56)
This is pretty funny from Miller's claim to have accurately C14 dated the latest A&A specimen.

   
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The sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the “bulk” or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone bioapatite yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years [UGAMS-11752 & 11752a]


I wonder how the animal managed to have different sections of its same horn live 7500 years apart? :p

If you look at some of Miller's other C14 claims you can see the same pattern.  Different pieces of the same animal dating almost 10K years apart.  But there's no chance of contamination, no siree.

YECs aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.

Definitely within the timeframe for bison.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,05:50   

More YEC craziness that I came across:

http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printto....Id=1424

http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.....ID=1068

http://creation.com/did-din....e-earth

http://creation.com/titanic....or-bird  ("Separating fact from fiction")


ETA: Oops, I see that Wesley Elsberry already linked to the godsaidmansaid site.

Edited by The whole truth on Aug. 24 2015,04:19

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,10:10   

Armitage: "It's about Jesus Christ. It's about the Bible. It's about winning people to Christ. That's what this is about.":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...._MTQSxg

What a screwball.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,10:25   

By lying to them?

And what happens when they find out they've been lied to?

These people are not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,11:35   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2015,20:56)
I wonder how the animal managed to have different sections of its same horn live 7500 years apart? :p

If you look at some of Miller's other C14 claims you can see the same pattern.  Different pieces of the same animal dating almost 10K years apart.  But there's no chance of contamination, no siree.

YECs aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.

"collagen" 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of "bioapatite" 41,010 ± 220 years

The mineral apatite is only metastable, and while better than calcite for C14, they both are prone to absorb dissolved carbonate from groundwater. A difference of ~25% isn't that unusual. The carbonate from surrounding rock should have been tested.

One of the things that showed these men are amateurs is that they did not bother with soil samples. In the real world, any usable "collagen" at all indicates a non-dino fossil, or one that has had extensive recent organic modification/contamination. The perseverance of apatite also argues against a dinosaur.

At 30-40 ka there was extensive glacial ice down cutting, and melting.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,14:49   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 24 2015,11:35)
"collagen" 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of "bioapatite" 41,010 ± 220 years

It often puzzles me how YECs can claim, with straight faces, that dates like this are accurate enough to disprove ancient dinosaurs, but are totally inaccurate when the age of the earth (and everything on it) is really 6,000 years or so and hence dates like 33,000 years old have to be completely ignored (except when convenient).

Cognitive dissonance?  No, can't be.  The words "cognitive dissonance" aren't in the Bible.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,16:19   

Quote (rossum @ Aug. 24 2015,12:49)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 24 2015,11:35)
"collagen" 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of "bioapatite" 41,010 ± 220 years

It often puzzles me how YECs can claim, with straight faces, that dates like this are accurate enough to disprove ancient dinosaurs, but are totally inaccurate when the age of the earth (and everything on it) is really 6,000 years or so and hence dates like 33,000 years old have to be completely ignored (except when convenient).

Cognitive dissonance?  No, can't be.  The words "cognitive dissonance" aren't in the Bible.

rossum

Lying sacks of shit?

That works for me.

The Hell Creek Formation is also reputed to have unusually high dissolved uranium levels. I have not personally researched this, but there is some C14 production from C13 absorbing neutrons. That could screw up dates. I would expect this to make the mineral fraction appear younger.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,17:53   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 24 2015,08:25)
By lying to them?

And what happens when they find out they've been lied to?

These people are not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box.

I think that you already know some answers to your questions but I'll offer some anyway:

"By lying to them?"

It's the 'Christian' (or religious) way.

"And what happens when they find out they've been lied to?"

Some people actually like to be lied to (including lying to themselves), and many or most people don't know enough and won't try to find out enough (especially about evolution and other scientific topics) to figure out if they're being lied to, and that especially applies to religious people (they're not called sheeple for nothin'). Many or most (if not all) religious people will not only tolerate lies from other religious people (at least of the same religion) but will even justify the lies, especially if the lying (or worse) is done to promote a particular god/religion (and sometimes even a generic god/religion) and to fight against the evil forces of Satan's evolutionist horde* (people like us).

"These people are not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box."

The sheeple who swallow their lies are even duller.  

*For some reason, typing out "Satan's evolutionist horde" made me laugh so hard that tears ran down my face.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2015,19:21   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 24 2015,08:25)
By lying to them?

And what happens when they find out they've been lied to?

These people are not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box.

For someone like me, a fundamentalist Christian who had been wrestling with the "Creation vs Evolution" issue after starting college in the 1980s, I screwed up the courage to start reading Christian non-YEC and secular scientific sources. I came to understand the situation in a whole new light, gained a better appreciation for science done right, and eventually set aside my fundamentalist outlook. This led to undergoing the same process for areas like history, politics, lifestyle, etc, until I stopped depending on a notion of God in order to live my life.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2015,16:01   

I've been looking around a bit and I found some things that may interest some of you:

https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/dinosau....-tissue  (Also click on his home page and read me page. He's obviously doing some very selective compartmentalization in his mind.)

http://www.sciencevsevolution.org/Holzsch....huh.htm

http://eps.harvard.edu/files......013.pdf  (Also scroll down to the Supplemental Materials for this article.)

http://www.rae.org/pdf........ics.pdf  (Mark Armitage and Kevin Anderson are on this list.)

And this is a good indicator of how science has progressed on determining the cause(s) of the K-T (or K-P or K-Pg) boundary extinctions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......esearch


And another oops on my part: Wesley Elsberry had already provided a link to the Proslogion blog that I linked to in one of my other comments.


ETA this:

A phosphatic coprolite lacking diagenetic permineralization from the Upper Cretaceous Hell Creek Formation, northeastern Montana: Importance of dietary calcium phosphate in preservation

http://palaios.ku.edu/25....her.pdf  (I haven't found a free copy of the whole article.)

Edited by The whole truth on Aug. 25 2015,14:19

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2015,16:54   

I wonder if Kevin L. Anderson imagines that he has pulled off some "victory" with his brilliant 1-2 punch?

Pathetic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2015,15:22   

Dr. Anderson is no longer listed in the faculty directory at Beebe, and is not teaching any courses this term.

I wonder if there will be a new lawsuit to be announced.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,13:10   

Kevin Anderson recently interjected on a Science News discussion that he could fully refute my ideas about his "dinosaur horn" if only he was not being "censored."

He added that, “1. The Triceratops horn was found on the Baisch Range. This is a very popular area for finding dinosaur fossils. In fact, the specific location where we found the horn is in the same area that has been excavated for years by Mary Schweitzer, Jack Horner, and many other paleontologists. The geological descriptions and analysis of this area has been reported in detail by others. All we needed to do in our paper was provide the specific geographic location. Everything else about the area is already known.”

I suggested he return here instead. Implied of course is that he can post what links, or photos he likes.

(I doubt we will see him, but hope spring eternal).

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2015,02:13   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 27 2015,13:10)
Kevin Anderson recently interjected on a Science News discussion that he could fully refute my ideas about his "dinosaur horn" if only he was not being "censored."

He added that, “1. The Triceratops horn was found on the Baisch Range. This is a very popular area for finding dinosaur fossils. In fact, the specific location where we found the horn is in the same area that has been excavated for years by Mary Schweitzer, Jack Horner, and many other paleontologists. The geological descriptions and analysis of this area has been reported in detail by others. All we needed to do in our paper was provide the specific geographic location. Everything else about the area is already known.”

I suggested he return here instead. Implied of course is that he can post what links, or photos he likes.

(I doubt we will see him, but hope spring eternal).

He corresponded with me to clear a glitch in his registration here at the outset. Is he claiming censorship has been applied at AtBC?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2015,13:47   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 28 2015,00:13)
He corresponded with me to clear a glitch in his registration here at the outset. Is he claiming censorship has been applied at AtBC?

No. He apparently sent t lot of comments to ScienceNews that he claims they "censored."

I suspect they had URLs which that site will not allow.

The site is now blocking my replies to Kevie as well.

Edited by Dr.GH on Oct. 28 2015,11:50

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2015,14:01   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 28 2015,13:47)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 28 2015,00:13)
He corresponded with me to clear a glitch in his registration here at the outset. Is he claiming censorship has been applied at AtBC?

No. He apparently sent t lot of comments to ScienceNews that he claims they "censored."

I suspect they had URLs which that site will not allow.

The site is now blocking my replies to Kevie as well.

This led me to the thought "filtered" and from there inexorably to DeNews' "Coffee"

  
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