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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2016,12:44   

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 02 2016,09:08)
Over at Evolution Creationist News & Victimhood Lee M. Spetner a retired PhD physicist and Jewish creationist spits chips over David E. Levin's review of Spetner's latest vanity publication for sale on Amazon.

The false handedness of  the DNA molecule on Spetner's book should not be left unnoticed


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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2016,13:00   

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 02 2016,09:08)
Over at Evolution Creationist News & Victimhood Lee M. Spetner a retired PhD physicist and Jewish creationist spits chips over David E. Levin's review of Spetner's latest vanity publication for sale on Amazon.

Well somebody doesn't understand evolution, but I'm sure that Spetner does not correctly identify that person...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2016,14:04   

Say what you want, but you can't deny that Spetner has a firm grasp of probability theory:
 
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That [certain] proteins arose by random mutation is not only an unsupported conjecture, but to have these proteins evolve by random mutations defies the essence of probability that says that an event with too small a probability is unlikely to occur.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2016,17:24   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Feb. 02 2016,12:04)
Say what you want, but you can't deny that Spetner has a firm grasp of probability theory:
 
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That [certain] proteins arose by random mutation is not only an unsupported conjecture, but to have these proteins evolve by random mutations defies the essence of probability that says that an event with too small a probability is unlikely to occur.

Awesome!

I look forward to Joe's co-authorship of the statistical methods section (see my sig) in the next edition.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 03 2016,07:52   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Feb. 02 2016,14:04)
Say what you want, but you can't deny that Spetner has a firm grasp of probability theory:
 

....but with the wrong hand?

Flanders and Swann - Misalliance

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,23:08   

What would the ID/creationist movement be without Granville Sewell? And what would he be without outlets not allowing comments?
link

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2016,09:52   

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The Common Sense Law of Physics

Granville Sewell March 27, 2016 1:16 PM


I've only read the title, and i already want to punch someone.

   
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2016,10:49   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 31 2016,17:52)
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The Common Sense Law of Physics

Granville Sewell March 27, 2016 1:16 PM


I've only read the title, and i already want to punch someone.

There's a physics law for that!

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2016,10:57   

These posts are from Feb. but  see Joe Gallien get his ass kicked by reviewer David E. Levin on the Amazon re: Dr Lee M Spetner's "The Evolution Revolution" - Why Thinking People are Rethinking the Theory of Evolution

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2016,20:49   

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 02 2016,07:08)
Over at Evolution Creationist News & Victimhood Lee M. Spetner a retired PhD physicist and Jewish creationist spits chips over David E. Levin's review of Spetner's latest vanity publication for sale on Amazon.

The comments following Levin's Amazon review were great.

Edited by Dr.GH on Mar. 31 2016,18:51

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DiEb



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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2016,17:46   

The same procedure as every year:

Good News for Summer Seminar Students -- We Are Extending the Application Deadline Through April 14

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2016,19:10   



Fuck's sake.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2016,23:39   

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Fuck's sake.

That's not a well, it's a latrine.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2016,05:59   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 02 2016,12:44)
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 02 2016,09:08)
Over at Evolution Creationist News & Victimhood Lee M. Spetner a retired PhD physicist and Jewish creationist spits chips over David E. Levin's review of Spetner's latest vanity publication for sale on Amazon.

The false handedness of  the DNA molecule on Spetner's book should not be left unnoticed

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The false handedness of  the DNA molecule on Spetner's book should not be left unnoticed
I don't think it's clear enough which strand is in the foreground for that charge to be made.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2016,07:17   

Look again.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,17:57   

Casey Luskin isn't twiddling his thumbs in retirement. But neither is he accomplishing much. The DI's latest "please pay attention to us" newsletter reminds us all that he published a law review article complaining that teaching evolution is inextricably intertwined with "anti-religious activism."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016....25.html

This article comes to us by way of the Harv- nope. I mean Ya- no, not that either. Maybe the Stanf-... hmmmm. Oh, Trinity Law School. Which has a long-term goal of being approved by the ABA (in other words, yikes). But if its graduates have trouble passing the bar, at least they know they're shoveling money down the maw of the #2 institution on the list of "Most Devout Christian Law Schools."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...._School

All science and/or serious jurisprudence so far.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,20:34   

The reason it's "intertwined" is largely because science deniers like them keep telling everyone that their dogma conflicts with the scientific conclusions. Keep doing that, and the percentage of educated people in their religions is going to drop. And, as far as I can tell, it's largely (maybe even mostly?) them doing it, not scientists as a group.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,22:02   

Quote (Learned Hand @ May 16 2016,17:57)
This article comes to us by way of the Harv- nope. I mean Ya- no, not that either. Maybe the Stanf-... hmmmm. Oh, Trinity Law School. Which has a long-term goal of being approved by the ABA (in other words, yikes).

Why did Waterloo come to my mind?

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2016,11:03   

Quote (sparc @ May 16 2016,22:02)
 
Quote (Learned Hand @ May 16 2016,17:57)
This article comes to us by way of the Harv- nope. I mean Ya- no, not that either. Maybe the Stanf-... hmmmm. Oh, Trinity Law School. Which has a long-term goal of being approved by the ABA (in other words, yikes).

Why did Waterloo come to my mind?

Um. This isn't the Mornington Crescent thread.

BTW "Waterloo" is a very risky move. People have been dismissed for playing "Waterloo" at the wrong time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2016,13:58   

Doesn't mix well with metal.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2016,00:35   

Maybe this is already a known thing, but yikes: Dembski goes anti-vax.

https://billdembski.com/tribeca....-vaxxed

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2016,05:58   

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Maybe this is already a known thing, but yikes: Dembski goes anti-vax.

https://billdembski.com/tribeca....-vaxxed

It was discussed at TSZ, but I don't know about here per se.  Dreary old censorship accusation.  They certainly don't have much imagination.

Not bad to remind us of crank magnetism in any case.  ID may be remembered not only for demonizing evolutionary theory and anything associated with it, but for Phillip Johnson's HIV denials, along with Dembski's faith healing and anti-vax BS (Corny's managed to mangle some of that too--Darwinists claim that there are no risks from vaccines, or something along that line).  The AGW conspiracy must be pointed out repeatedly, of course.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2016,13:53   

I recon this will be mentioned eventually:

David DeWolf, a Gonzaga University law professor and senior fellow at the conservative Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. is running for the Washington State Supreme Court.  :O

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2016,23:07   

According to EN&V sex is ID. However, one may wonder how they could make this groundbreaking discovery with the lights off.
links to chapters of Glicksman's "The designed body" at EN&V

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2016,06:35   

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According to EN&V sex is ID. However, one may wonder how they could make this groundbreaking discovery with the lights off.
links to chapters of Glicksman's "The designed body" at EN&V

My excised prostate gland begs to differ with Dr. Glicksman.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2016,21:05   

Oh goody... Now Klinghoffer has suggested the fiction offers a way to breach the science/religion barrier in his praise of an ID "thriller" The Soul of the Matter. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016....37.html

Good grief...

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The story is one of redemption and enlightenment, as a cynic rethinks the tenets of materialism he previously took for granted. The book can serve as a helpful introduction to ID, as accessible (in its very different way) as Doug Axe's new book Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed. The argument for design can be recondite and these two books together go a long distance to making it comprehensible to the most general of readers.

Obviously, Mr. Buff hasn't advanced the scientific case for ID. However he has done a service by offering a smart, often exciting story that is intellectually serious and spiritually earnest and that will, one hopes, place ultimate questions about man's place in the universe before a deservedly wide audience.


All science so far... except for the religion... and the fiction parts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2016,12:34   

Take out those exceptions, and what's left?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2016,13:05   

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Take out those exceptions, and what's left?

Farty noises?

Edited to correct autocorrect.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2016,17:08   

...spirituality earnest..?

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2016,06:02   

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Obviously, Mr. Buff hasn't advanced the scientific case for ID.
Klinghoffer doesn't seriously and earnestly want to imply anyboy else had or does he?

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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