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BopDiddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,14:16   

Quote (Quidam @ April 13 2008,13:43)
 
Quote (steve_h @ April 12 2008,16:42)
This could mean that someone has created a draft post and not published it, or that something was posted and subsequently disappeared (either Demsbki posted something, or  somebody else posted in Demsbki's name), either way it would be difficult for an outsider to fake this.


As they say in American Sign Language:


  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,14:51   

There. We got that one million views thing out of the way.

(The thread is becoming a bit self-referential.)

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,15:23   

Quote (ERV @ April 13 2008,02:12)
   
Quote (steve_h @ April 12 2008,17:42)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/3215 is a standard UD 404 (page disappeared)

This could mean that someone has created a draft post and not published it, or that something was posted and subsequently disappeared (either Demsbki posted something, or  somebody else posted in Demsbki's name), either way it would be difficult for an outsider to fake this.

Wait, Bill (our Bill, not Tard Bill) didnt make that 'UD post'?

APRIL FOOLS IS OVER DONT MESS WITH ME LIKE THIS LOL!

It was R.B. and he got a little lucky with the timing for it to come at a time when a number went unused (eg a discarded draft).

However, seems he didn't need  a great deal of luck because he could have got 3204 or 3208 (or any of three others after 3170) instead. Clearly my EF needs some fine tuning. Now, where did I put that hammer?

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,15:38   

Quote (steve_h @ April 13 2008,16:23)
   
Quote (ERV @ April 13 2008,02:12)
         
Quote (steve_h @ April 12 2008,17:42)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/3215 is a standard UD 404 (page disappeared)

This could mean that someone has created a draft post and not published it, or that something was posted and subsequently disappeared (either Demsbki posted something, or  somebody else posted in Demsbki's name), either way it would be difficult for an outsider to fake this.

Wait, Bill (our Bill, not Tard Bill) didnt make that 'UD post'?

APRIL FOOLS IS OVER DONT MESS WITH ME LIKE THIS LOL!

It was R.B. and he got a little lucky with the timing for it to come at a time when a number went unused (eg a discarded draft).

However, seems he didn't need  a great deal of luck because he could have got 3204 or 3208 (or any of three others after 3170) instead. Clearly my EF needs some fine tuning. Now, where did I put that hammer?

Steve, you're working too hard - my intention was to parody WAD, ID, expelled, etc., not fool anyone into believing this is the real thing. I mostly worry that the text is far to ridiculous to be good parody - but Per Wesley and BobDiddy on Poe's law...

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,16:11   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 13 2008,21:38)
Steve, you're working too hard - my intention was to parody WAD, ID, expelled, etc., not fool anyone into believing this is the real thing. I mostly worry that the text is far to ridiculous to be good parody - but Per Wesley and BobDiddy on Poe's law...

I didn't think it was a genuine Dembski post, but I did think it a possibility that someone may have managed to plant a parody at UD and that it had been quickly removed.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,16:42   

Over at UD sparc asks  
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I know you did it for other reasons (google ranking) but is XVIVO’s action so different from yours some years ago?

Davescot now, as then, fails to say why it might have been necessary to have an independent version of events :)
 
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They were just mirroring our content. ALL of our content. Without modification of any kind.

I imagine that with Expelled just around the corner it's kinda not good publicity to be reminded of all that. I hope nobody asks any awkward questions at UD about all that.
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,17:15   

Poe's law?

Is that Edgar Allen Poe or Cameron Poe out of that movie whatever it was...ah yes Con Air?

If the latter, boy did I miss the point of that film.

Speaking of piece of shit movies with plots as thin as a film of cold sweat on a KKK member at an MLK memorial rally, Ejaculated (Over Nazi Propaganda): No Intelligence Allowed During The Making Of This Movie it's some ID movie. Anyone heard anything good about it? I was wondering if in 5 or so days time a copy might make it's way, somehow, some way, over the intertubes to good old Blighty. Where, if the gods be willing, I can smoke a bowl, watch it, and laugh myself hoarse.

Louis

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,17:37   

Quote (Louis @ April 13 2008,18:15)
Poe's law?

Poe's law:
 
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Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,17:44   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 13 2008,23:37)
Quote (Louis @ April 13 2008,18:15)
Poe's law?

Poe's law:
   
Quote
Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.

LOL Ty Bill, I did know what it was and was making a feeble attempt at humour.

Wait, does that itself fall under the auspices of Poe's law or perhaps some corollary?*

Louis

* I am glad I typed that, because in my current condition I certainly couldn't bloody say it. Corllary, auspices? I'd have fallen over! Ah well, day off tomorrow, off to see the in-laws. The hangover should help dull the pain. ;-)

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,18:58   

god dam you sure butcher the kings english.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,19:10   

Quote (Louis @ April 13 2008,18:44)
LOL Ty Bill, I did know what it was and was making a feeble attempt at humour.

(Truth be told, I never heard of it prior to BopDiddy's mention.)

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,19:38   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 13 2008,17:37)
     
Quote (Louis @ April 13 2008,18:15)
Poe's law?

Poe's law:
         
Quote
Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.

As in, renting This Is Spinal Tap on video several years ago, and watching it along with my wife and brother in law. At the end of the movie we had to convince him that the movie was a spoof and Spinal Tap was a fictional band. He thought they were pretty cool (he was/is a heavy metal headbanger) and responded to our explanations with blinking incredulity.

All three of us enjoyed the movie immensely, so I'm hard pressed to say what life lesson to draw from this episode other than "shut up, watch the movie". The actors who played the Spinal Tap band members, having discovered (I suppose) that the gig was kinda fun (and they were able to play those instruments) apparently went on to record an album or two, and made some public performances. I'm sure my brother in law became aware of that and has concluded that we were either liars or idiots or both.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,20:07   

what about "A mighty wind"?  Surely no one could view that and not get the joke.  Spinal Tap is a bit more out of the realm of my daily experience (I've actually played with people that tried that shitty sound from AMW).  Turn it up to eleven, lick my love pump, herpes, etc.  that shit is too good to be true.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,20:24   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 13 2008,20:07)
what about "A mighty wind"?  Surely no one could view that and not get the joke.  Spinal Tap is a bit more out of the realm of my daily experience (I've actually played with people that tried that shitty sound from AMW).  Turn it up to eleven, lick my love pump, herpes, etc.  that shit is too good to be true.

Didn't see A Mighty Wind so I can't compare. I think the same company of actors/writers did Best in Show, though, didn't they? Lemme tell you, from my experience in the dog world, nothing in that movie is exaggerated. All totally believable, even the guy with [glances down anxiously] two left feet.

But the "one louder" bit in Spinal Tap is an instant classic. Rob Reiner staring into Christopher Guest's blind, arrogant, obstinant stupidity, trying to explain the meaninglessness of a meaningless scale of numbers, to utterly no effect whatsoever...

...which neatly brings us back on-topic, doesn't it?

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,20:36   

Wait, Spinal Tap isn't a real band?  Next you're going to tell me that Dethklok isn't real.  Pshaw.


  
BopDiddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,21:14   

Quote (GCT @ April 13 2008,20:36)
Wait, Spinal Tap isn't a real band?  Next you're going to tell me that Dethklok isn't real.  Pshaw.


Note the physical resemblance between Murderface (the one on the left) and DaveTard (the one whose politics are far right).

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,21:17   

Quote (GCT @ April 13 2008,18:36)
Wait, Spinal Tap isn't a real band?  Next you're going to tell me that Dethklok isn't real.  Pshaw.

So, would you consider the ultimate message of "Go Into The Water" to be that the paths taken by evolution are endlessly unexpected and non-progressive?


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We call out to the beasts of the sea to come forth and join us, this night is yours
Because, one day we will all be with you in the black and deep
One day we will all go into the water

Go into the water
live there die there
live there die

We reject our earthly fires
Gone are days of land empires
Lungs transform to take in water
Cloaked in scales we swim and swim on

We are alive, and we'll metamorphasize
And we'll sink as we devolve back to beasts
Our home is down here, and we've known this for years
We must conquer from the sea, we build an army with water steeds

We'll rise, from our depths down below
Release yourselves, drown with me
We will conquer land with water

Gone are days of land empires
Lungs transform to take in water
Cloaked in scales we swim and swim on
We swim on
We swim on


And this one's for Dave:


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,22:54   

Jack Krebs calls it right:
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to StevenB and kf:
Bullshit.
Ban me if you must for being so crudely blunt, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
If you knew me and how I behave instead of believing stereotypes and lies, you would know how wrong you are.
Yes, I believe differently than you do, but I have always acted civilly and always with respect for the democratic principles of our country.
KF lies when he says that the quote he has taken to posting every time my name comes up is or was KCFS’s policy, and I defy him to find an example of something that KCFS has done that has been anything more than acting to express our views in a democratic manner - which we have every right to do.
I am a very public spokesperson for the benefits of civil and on-topic discussion as opposed to polarized demonization of people. I have no problem disagreeing with people and explaining why I think they are wrong, and I have no problem with making judgments that I think I can back up with evidence.
But I don’t engage in gratuitous insults or bigoted generalizations about people, and I don’t demonize people just because they disagree with me.
So I hope at least some of you reading this will see beyond the crass and unfounded generalizations that are aimed at me here just because I hold a minority position here, because I am politically active in support of my position, and because I’m interested enough in the civic value of dialogue to come here occasionally and try to discuss things with you guys.

Good on Jack Krebs.   Kairosfocus's obsession with a 3-year old discussion board post by a third party is off the charts.  He posts the fucking thing every chance he gets, and you know he gets a lot of chances.  Asshole.  Normally he's just tiresome and hectoring, but this borders on stalking.

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,23:26   

'Twas writ priorly thus:

Quote

Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.


I knew it was too true to be good.   :)

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,08:43   

Go Leo!

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,08:43   

Oops! 'scuse dbl. post

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,09:34   

Quote (Alan Fox @ April 14 2008,08:43)
Go Leo!

Leo (or somebody) might want to link at UD to a post I put up at paralepsis about this, The unfocused windbags of kairos.  Apologies: the post is long-winded, as kairosfocus seems to be contagious.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,09:47   

Quote (Alan Fox @ April 14 2008,08:43)
Go Leo!

You know, that person has taken several nasty potshots at KF recently and has not been reprimanded or banned because of it. My working theory is that Davescot also finds Kairos to be a tedious windbag and abandons any comment section that KF appears in.

EDIT: Fixed grammar not so good.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,10:02   

IDists, get on this:

http://environment.newscientist.com/article....es.html

Filter away!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,10:45   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 14 2008,10:02)
IDists, get on this:

http://environment.newscientist.com/article....es.html

Filter away!

This is perfect for the IDCists - The Designer has spoken - and has reacted to all the excessive hot air emanating from IDCist's pontificating.

This is 100% testable, and I am suggesting that if my "ground-breaking" idea is correct that Seattle,WA and parts of TX and KS are about to be hit by massive earthquakes.

edited for spelling

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Jasper



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,11:49   

By consistently lying about the origin and focus of the original comments, Kairosfocus and his fellow travellers have actually revealed themselves to be deserving of the labels applied to the KS BOE in that KCFS post.

At this point, every time KF brings it up, he confirms that the "unprincipled bully" label fits him quite nicely.

  
Gunthernacus



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,13:03   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 14 2008,10:02)
IDists, get on this:

http://environment.newscientist.com/article....es.html

Filter away!

From the article:
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Geophysicists Guangmeng Guo and Bin Wang of Nanyang Normal University in Henan, China, noticed a gap in the clouds in satellite images from December 2004 that precisely matched the location of the main fault in southern Iran.


Come on now, you know that the IDCs are much too clever to make a gap argument.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,14:52   

It's sunny right now,

OH - MY - GOD

THERE IS A GAP IN THE CLOUDS

If you want me, I'll be hiding under my deak

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The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,15:30   

DT has another <0.3 day.
See the comments. For posterity:
   
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Dick to the Dawk on Bill Maher
DaveScot

I watched Dawkins on the Bill Maher show last night. Among other interesting things he said was when it comes to belief in gods if you were to rate his belief on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being most belief and 10 being least he puts himself at a 6. Then he compares belief in gods with belief in fairies and pink unicorns. So I guess he’s conflicted about those too. Bill Maher then ridiculed religion in predictable trite ways which caused Dawkins to reconsider the belief rating and up it to “6 point 9?. Hilarious. Richard Dawkins is really a centrist on religious beliefs. Who’da thunk?

Too bad Bill Maher didn’t ask Richard Dawkins to rate his belief in the existence of material intelligent agents who can alter the course of evolution by tinkering with the DNA of living organisms. Personally I put that “belief” at a 1 (no doubt) unless someone convinces me that Craig Venter doesn’t really exist.

Watch that '1 to 10' figure over the next few hours.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,15:52   

Quote (Ptaylor @ April 14 2008,15:30)
DT has another <0.3 day.
See the comments. For posterity:
         
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Dick to the Dawk on Bill Maher
DaveScot

I watched Dawkins on the Bill Maher show last night. Among other interesting things he said was when it comes to belief in gods if you were to rate his belief on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being most belief and 10 being least he puts himself at a 6. Then he compares belief in gods with belief in fairies and pink unicorns. So I guess he’s conflicted about those too. Bill Maher then ridiculed religion in predictable trite ways which caused Dawkins to reconsider the belief rating and up it to “6 point 9?. Hilarious. Richard Dawkins is really a centrist on religious beliefs. Who’da thunk?

Too bad Bill Maher didn’t ask Richard Dawkins to rate his belief in the existence of material intelligent agents who can alter the course of evolution by tinkering with the DNA of living organisms. Personally I put that “belief” at a 1 (no doubt) unless someone convinces me that Craig Venter doesn’t really exist.

Watch that '1 to 10' figure over the next few hours.

Didn't take long. DLH tidies up:
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Dawkins does say 6 out of 7 ((1 being highest, 7 lowest)
He then drops to 6.9 out of 7.

DaveScott - I second Leo Hale’s recommendation to correct the primary post from 6 out of 10
to 6 out of 7.
DLH fails to mention that the rest of the primary post falls apart after this change is made. Hmm - this looks like a job for the Obliviator. Has DS ever had to send his own posts to www.offtopicpost.com before?
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I love being right.

How's that working out for you now? :p

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