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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2017,14:33   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 08 2017,04:31)
Damn, this just keeps getting better.

From the paranoid mind of Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings:
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BTW, on a recent incident where W-App initiated a video call against my will, I have taped over the cams. I have reason to be concerned Facebook may be listening in on conversations, and more.


Tune in tomorrow. Same Batshitcrazy time. Same Batshitcrazy channel.

I turn my camera away and make sure I'm very quiet when ... er ... when I'm doing nothing.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2017,14:44   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 07 2017,22:31)
Damn, this just keeps getting better.

From the paranoid mind of Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings:
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BTW, on a recent incident where W-App initiated a video call against my will, I have taped over the cams. I have reason to be concerned Facebook may be listening in on conversations, and more.


Tune in tomorrow. Same Batshitcrazy time. Same Batshitcrazy channel.

It's important that nothing gets onto the internet that would suggest that Gordon is insane.

Like, well, that.

Glen Davidson

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2017,09:27   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Mar. 08 2017,14:44)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 07 2017,22:31)
Damn, this just keeps getting better.

From the paranoid mind of Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings:
 
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BTW, on a recent incident where W-App initiated a video call against my will, I have taped over the cams. I have reason to be concerned Facebook may be listening in on conversations, and more.


Tune in tomorrow. Same Batshitcrazy time. Same Batshitcrazy channel.

It's important that nothing gets onto the internet that would suggest that Gordon is insane.

Like, well, that.

Glen Davidson

It's not as bad as if he were putting tinfoil hats on the cameras.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2017,10:56   

Quote (timothya @ Mar. 08 2017,13:34)
This may amuse you. The advertisement engine that UD uses often puts an intersecting triangle puzzle on the agit-prop post page. In fact, it is there as I read it now.

UD Ad.

  
timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2017,23:50   

Link refuses access - closed group by the look of it.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2017,09:35   

Pedophile Symbology

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2017,12:26   

There aren't enough irony-meter jokes to cover this.  There will never be enough irony-meter jokes to cover this.  

Today on the Gordon's paranoid idiocy thread:
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Much of this is hate-driven projection

Yes, that's the Gordster, accusing someone else of hate-driven projection.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2017,13:18   

I guess he hates it when somebody else does that?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2017,21:41   

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Armand JacksMarch 12, 2017 at 7:42 pm
WM, you talk about false equivalence but it is not. You are saying that you would use violence to save a child, because it is legal to do so. But would not do so if it was against the law. It is sad when the atheist is the only one here who would knowingly break the law to save that same child.

Since KF is so fond of calling abortion a holocaust, let’s use his favourite analogy. Knowing what you know now, if you were transported to Nazi occupied Poland, would you use violence, if necessary, to stop a trainload of Jewish children from being taken to Auschwitz? Using KF’s logic, exterminating Jewish children in Nazi occupied lands and conducting abortions in 2016 are analogous. In fact, he said that the abortions are a far worse holocaust, but I will ignore that for the moment. They were both conducted under the full protection of the law and they are both the amoral murder of innocent human beings.

So, I will ask the same question. If you would be willing to break the law, including the use of sabotage and violence, to save a trainload of children being legally taken for extermination, why would you not be willing to break the law, including the use of sabotage and violence, to save other children from being legally aborted?

And before you start screaming “false equivalence” do you have such low imagination that you could not perceive of any direct actions that would prevent doctors from being able to perform abortions? I can think of many.

But let’s be honest here. Most people do not take that kind of action because they do not perceive an early stage abortion as the equivalent of killing a young child. And they shouldn’t. Claiming that they are equivalent and calling it a holocaust just makes your position less tenable, not stronger.

Don’t get me wrong. I would much prefer that there were no abortions. But I am a realist. Even if you made it illegal and jailed doctors who performed them, they would still occur, simply because you have done nothing to affect demand. If you are serious about reducing the abortion rate, expand sex education, make contraceptives more available, remove the stigma around unwanted pregnancy and increase the support for women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. But many of the people who vehemently oppose abortion under all circumstances also oppose contraceptives, comprehensive sex education and removing the stigma around unwanted pregnancies.


Pindi and AJ keep hammering KF, If you really think abortion is equivalent to murdering children, how can you stand by and watch it happen?

All FK, WJM, and others can do is yammer thousands of words about how they can't do anything, it's a false equivalence, blah blah.

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,10:28   

Armand JacksMarch 13, 2017 at 9:15 am
WM:

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but I would certainly not break the law in an attempt that is both doomed to failure and would result in my own incarceration and put me and my family at financial risk due to it’s illegal nature.

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Surely you do not lack so much in imagination that you could not come up with one or two courses of action that would result in abortions not being conducted on some women. I can think of several, even without resorting to physical violence against a person.


What I would do is find non-lethal means of saving as many Jewish children as I could since I had no legal option open to me.

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Since the trains were guarded by armed soldiers, using some level of lethal force would be necessary. Are you saying that you would not kill a German soldier or two to save a train load of children? Thank god that I am an atheist because I wouldn’t think twice about it.


It seems you need something explained to you. First, the primary reason one would be against abortion is not the welfare of the child – the child is going to be just fine wrt their spiritual well-being.

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Because of that soul nonsense that is inserted in the fetus at conception? A small question. Do identical twins share a single soul?


What I, KF and others here are primarily concerned with is the spiritual health of those who (1) get abortions, (2) provide abortions, and (3) the nation/society/civilization that endorses the activity.

Our efforts are not so much to save that child, but rather to “save” those going down that path. This is where you atheism has blinded you to the motivations of those who wish to put an end to abortion.

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Now the true agenda is revealed. It is about enforcing your religious beliefs on those through force of law. A wise man once called this type of tactic “lawfare”. There are many things that are legal that are not endorsed by government. Smoking, drinking, marijuana, skydiving, divorce, etc. It is all about responsible free choice. The right of all of us to make poor choices.


If you kill a doctor or bomb an abortion clinic, you haven’t accomplished anything. Expectant mothers can go elsewhere and find other doctors.

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Your imagination really is very limiting if you can’t think of a way to prevent access to abortions without killing doctors or bombing clinics. There are many places where access to abortion is very limited due to number of clinics and location. If you effectively shut down these clinics (eg. Sabotage) you would effectively prevent some women from getting an abortion. Many women with unwanted pregnancies are not financially able to travel to another country to obtain one. She would have to carry it to term.


The truth is that you and others like you have incorporated a false equivalence into your position that is entirely based on vague terminology and faulty comparisons.

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You mean like equating abortion to the holocaust?


That’s just about the worst “logic” I’ve ever heard. If abortion is illegal, it affects demand because many people will have a far greater concern about the consequences of their sexual behavior.

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Just like prohibition reduced the demand for alcohol. Now who’s logic is ridiculous. Unwanted pregnancies and abortions occurred before it was legal. Making it illegal again will simply drag it underground again.


Where on Earth do you live that there is a “stigma” with having an “unwanted” pregnancy? Where do you live where contraceptives are difficult to obtain? Where do you live where there is a lack of comprehensive sex education?

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Let’s examine the US numbers. Teen pregnancy rates have dropped 51% since 1990 and teen abortion rates have dropped 66%. But from state to state, Maine, Minnesota, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont have the lowest teen pregnancy rates. The highest teen pregnancy rates are found in the southern states. I will leave it to you to guess which of these two groupings have the more comprehensive sex education programs and access to contraceptives.


Has the proliferation of these things in western society decreased the number of abortions?

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The short answer is, yes. Over 50% reduction in both teen pregnancy and abortion rates in the US, largely attributed to comprehensive sex education and access to contraceptives.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,10:36   

Monday morning quiz:

Name this interlocutor:
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Ugly, huge columns of smoke are rising up all across our civilisation, pointing to a common, demonically dirty fire that is undermining the very ground we are standing on.

The fires threaten to cause collapse that will let them engulf us all,

And still, the atheistical folly marches on.

Let me again point to Plato’s warning from 2350+ years ago, a warning the atheists, for years, have consistently dodged:


I was going to make this a multiple choice, but I wanted to make sure that it was a challenge.

  
Pilchard



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,13:38   

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a warning the atheists, for years, have consistently dodged

It's how I get my exercise.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,18:18   

Quote (Pilchard @ Mar. 13 2017,13:38)
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a warning the atheists, for years, have consistently dodged

It's how I get my exercise.

I get mine by erecting strawmen. Extracting the oil from red herring needed to soak the strawmen is what really builds up the sweat.

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,18:19   

WJM

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It seems you need something explained to you. First, the primary reason one would be against abortion is not the welfare of the child – the child is going to be just fine wrt their spiritual well-being.

What I, KF and others here are primarily concerned with is the spiritual health of those who (1) get abortions, (2) provide abortions, and (3) the nation/society/civilization that endorses the activity.


Not so much pro-life as pro-spiritual health.

???

Edited by Woodbine on Mar. 14 2017,00:19

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,18:28   

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It seems you need something explained to you. First, the primary reason one would be against the holocaust is not the welfare of Jews – the Jews are going to be just fine wrt their spiritual well-being.

What I, KF and others here are primarily concerned with is the spiritual health of (1) the kapos (2) camp guards, and (3) the Fatherland.


???

  
Tony M Nyphot



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,19:35   

70% of women who get abortions identify as christians

Employing a design inference, Christianity appears to correlate with the number of women who get abortions.

Perhaps Gordon and William should consider promoting atheism.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2017,19:55   

One atheist questions KF's analogy to the holocaust and an entire 250+ KF comment thread gets derailed. If I had known it was that easy, I would have socked up and done it myself.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,02:21   

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 13 2017,19:35)
70% of women who get abortions identify as christians

Employing a design inference, Christianity appears to correlate with the number of women who get abortions.

Perhaps Gordon and William should consider promoting atheism.

There are christians, Christians, real and Real Christians. And then there is Gordon E. Mullings who would even teach God christian morality.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,02:26   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 13 2017,19:55)
One atheist questions KF's analogy to the holocaust and an entire 250+ KF comment thread gets derailed. If I had known it was that easy, I would have socked up and done it myself.

I wonder if Gordon E. Mullings is aware that at least two atheists live on Montserrat.

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,09:43   

Quote (sparc @ Mar. 14 2017,02:26)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 13 2017,19:55)
One atheist questions KF's analogy to the holocaust and an entire 250+ KF comment thread gets derailed. If I had known it was that easy, I would have socked up and done it myself.

I wonder if Gordon E. Mullings is aware that at least two atheists live on Montserrat.

I believe Gordo would call that "on the ground stalking".

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,13:02   

For the sake of those two or more atheists, I hope he doesn't know about them.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,17:26   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 12 2017,22:41)
Pindi and AJ keep hammering KF, If you really think abortion is equivalent to murdering children, how can you stand by and watch it happen?

I question the wisdom of attempting to convince someone who has already demonstrated a tenuous grasp of reality to take action to "protect" the unborn.  Mr. Leathers may not be Gordon's only fetish object.

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,21:47   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 13 2017,10:36)
Monday morning quiz:

Name this interlocutor:
 
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Ugly, huge columns of smoke are rising up all across our civilisation, pointing to a common, demonically dirty fire that is undermining the very ground we are standing on.

The fires threaten to cause collapse that will let them engulf us all,

And still, the atheistical folly marches on.

Let me again point to Plato’s warning from 2350+ years ago, a warning the atheists, for years, have consistently dodged:


I was going to make this a multiple choice, but I wanted to make sure that it was a challenge.

Those first three lines are from the black death speed crust crossover hardcore band Spermicidal Thunder's breakout hit "Cadaverous Mr. Leathers," from their 199- album, "Plato's Stinky Finger Of Warning". The use of falsetto and Cookie Monster vocals was rated "not good, but I can't stop listening" by KERRRRANGGUGARPHLEGMPTUI magazine.

As for the rest, dunno.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,23:21   

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Ugly, huge columns of smoke are rising up all across our civilisation, pointing to a common, demonically dirty fire that is undermining the very ground we are standing on.

The fires threaten to cause collapse that will let them engulf us all.


That volcano really has fucked with his psyche.

Has he ever publicly blamed the eruption on the homos? I bet he has to his congregation.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2017,23:37   

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Armand JacksMarch 14, 2017 at 10:32 pm
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KF: JDK & AJ, again, side-tracking, setting up strawman targets and knocking them over.


I don’t think that means what you think it means.

I have presented a sound proposal, supported by actual statistics, many from the same sources that you have cited. And you dismiss it without addressing any of it. Let me simplify it, using small words to make it easily understood.

==>1 when abortions were illegal the abortion rate was similar or higher than what it is now.

==>2 when abortions were illegal botched abortions accounted for approximately 18% of pregnancy related deaths.

==> 3 comprehensive sex education starting at an early age and non-restricted access to contraceptives are partially responsible for the dramatic reduction in both unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

==> 4 countries like Switzerland that have adopted the approach mentioned above, even though they have abortion on demand, have one of the lowest unwanted pregnancy and abortion rates in the world.

You are not willing to take direct physical action against this pseudo-holocaust. And we know that criminalizing abortion doesn’t actually reduce the rate of abortion (remember the 27 per 1000 estimate I provided earlier, from the same source you have repeatedly cited). And you are not willing to support comprehensive sex education and unrestricted access to contraceptives, the two things proven to actually reduce the abortion rate (again, from the same source you cite). I can only conclude that your actual goal (obsession) is to prevent people having sex for any reason other than procreation rather than to actually reduce abortion rates.

Does anyone know if any of what AJ is saying is actually true?

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2017,00:48   

Plato warned us about Switzerland.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2017,06:16   

Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2017,00:48)
Plato warned us about Switzerland.

It's full of caves, for one thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2017,09:10   

If it's a false equivalence, stop calling it a fucking holocaust.

FFS.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2017,11:31   

Quote (Patrick @ Mar. 15 2017,01:26)
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 12 2017,22:41)
Pindi and AJ keep hammering KF, If you really think abortion is equivalent to murdering children, how can you stand by and watch it happen?

I question the wisdom of attempting to convince someone who has already demonstrated a tenuous grasp of reality to take action to "protect" the unborn.  Mr. Leathers may not be Gordon's only fetish object.

Nothing to worry about if you're thinking of firearms since the laws there are very restrictive. Voodoo dolls on the other hand are freely available. There is nothing to prevent the concealed carrying of an automatic stapler with multiple voodoo dolls.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2017,13:03   




US abortion rate is lower than it was before Roe v Wade.

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