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don_quixote



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,18:21   

In their list of favourable quotes, they forgot:
 
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"Waterlooooooooooooooo!!!!"
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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,18:44   

Someone just posted on the KCFS Discussion Forum that all the staff at his school (in the Kansas City area) received the following email from the Intelligent Design Network today.

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ATTENTION Teachers, Principals, School Officials & Support Staff,

This Friday, April 18th, is FREEDOM FRIDAY!

You will no longer have to live in fear of the Darwinian Thought Police and their power to ruin your career! They are about to be 'publicly exposed' by the new documentary movie, "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed"!

"EXPELLED," starring Ben Stein, is opening in 1,000 theaters nationwide. Smart students and their parents can't wait to see it! They have all heard the Darwinists' side in the debate over origins. Now they will determine if the Darwinists have acted properly by censoring the scientific data and evidence from students, teachers and parents that opposes Darwinian evolution and points to the reality of God!

Have you ever wondered about the scientific validity of the major proofs of evolution?

Have you ever wondered what the controversy over the teaching of origins science is really about?

Have you wondered why Darwinists will not allow origins science to be taught objectively?

Have you wondered if scientists have found evidence for God?

Have you ever fully understood why you have this fear of mentioning God in the classroom?

If your answer to any of these questions is 'yes', then this earth-shattering documentary will open your eyes to the cover-up of the century!

Students, teachers, and parents will now see and hear the other side of the story as they view "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed". They will begin to draw new conclusions for themselves about the "thought police" as well as the most important question they will ever try to answer: Where did I come from?

Make plans now to SEE THIS MOVIE. You can be sure that your students will!

Check it out at: www.expelledthemovie.com

YOU ARE ALSO INVITED TO ATTEND!!~ a Conference in Overland Park, KS, on Saturday, April 19 * * "Darwin, Design, & Democracy VII" * *

At the conference you will meet a professor who is in the movie and was "expelled" for trying to present students with scientific data and evidence that opposed Darwinism. For more details please open the attached flyer, or go to: www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org

Thanks for taking time from your busy schedule to become more informed as to why teaching origins science OBJECTIVELY is critical for good [end chopped off.]


Note the line "opposes Darwinian evolution and points to the reality of God!"

It seems like they have abandoned entirely any effort to pretend that they can get by separation of church and state issues.

What a bunch of appalling propaganda.  I do, however, think that the more over-the-top they are (Freedom Friday, Darwinian Thought Police, cover-up of the century) the more obvious it will be to even those somewhat sympathetic that they have overplayed their hand (such as it is.)

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,19:16   

Well, I cannot believe that they had the nerve to send me that e-mail that you're all getting, considering that I

1. did not give my snail mail address on the so-called "agreement form" (which should have alerted them that something is up)
2. was seen talking with PZ right as he was expelled
3. and my name is all over the blogosphere as an "enemy" of the film and as the person who sent the link to "gate crasher" PZ in the goddamned first place

Honestly! "Atheists!" "Liberal art critics!" Etc.! We are supposed to read URLs before responding, to make sure that it doesn't have the word "private" in the link? But they can't look at an e-mail and think, "Hey, it's a school, maybe we shouldn't spam her? Maybe that is unethical and also makes us look bad?

Spam violates my school's internet ethics policy and I just told them so. I also told them not to use my school's e-mail to promote hatred. I informed them that I, taking a clue from the film's purported theme, felt free to disagree with the film and that the fact of my attendance should not automatically constitute agreement - a charge that they launch against others.

Just sickening, these people.  :angry:

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,20:28   

What DaveScot says about the Premise campaign in Hilarious Expelled Advertisement on The Science Channel:
 
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Premise is doing a GREAT job with this. Anyone who thinks they’re incompetents is in a state of denial.


What he should be saying:
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Ow, Ow, son of a bitch, someone get this fucking Giant Redwood out of my eye!!! My Stein, my Stein, why hast thou forsaken me? Giveth me some Clear Eyes!!!


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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,20:39   

DaveScot blats:
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I saw a shot of Ben Stein walking out of a science classroom and going down the hall to sit on a bench outside the principle’s office. Another “kid” was sitting there too. The other kids says to Stein “So what did YOU do wrong?” [Actually the line is, "So what are you here for?" Freudian slip, DaveScot?] Stein deadpans “I made a movie”.

Stein made a bowel movie.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,20:49   

It also seems likely that the music played in the pre-release showings and DVD were not liciensed either
http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008....ly.html

However given recent events I rather think that the final release will have elevator musak instead of Lennon and the Killers

I wonder if the Michael Edmondson witness protection and internet cleansing thing is because they are not using his animation any more.

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Reginald Beasley



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,21:25   

Yoko Ono's lawyer has officially said that Expelled did not have the right to use John Lennon's Imagine.

Even if they take it out of the final release, they had it in the promotional releases - promotional releases are a form of advertising and I really don't see how the hell Expelled is going to slime their way out of this one.

"Ms. Ono's lawyer, Jonas Herbsman, of Shukat, Arrow, Hafer, Weber & Herbsman, said in an interview Wednesday: "It was not licensed." With respect to the filmmakers, he says: "We are exploring all options." It is not clear what remedies if any may be available to Ms. Ono.

In a written statement, the film's three producers -- Walt Ruloff, John Sullivan and Logan Craft -- acknowledged that they did not seek permission, but they called the use "momentary." "After seeking the opinion of legal counsel it was seen as a First Amendment issue and protected under the fair use doctrine of free speech," the statement said. A spokeswoman said under 25 seconds of the song are used in the movie."

Full Story

So their official story is "We only used less than 25 seconds and we swear we were going to take it out!"

I have heard of a 'less-than-15-seconds' rule for radio bumper music, but this seems a little stretchy and I'd love to see a judge's opinion on the matter.

These expelled guys are more sketchy than a police artist.

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,21:31   

Yeah man Yoko is pissed!

And I heard the Expelled radio ad today.  Dumbshits quoted Michael Medgood.  Um, it's Medved, you dorks.  Those morons don't even know the names of the people on their side.

IDiots.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,21:59   

I think this person is joking, but a blogger claims that this whole flap/flop was carefully orchestrated to make intelligent design look bad!  :D

No, I don't believe that - they're just such incompetent fuckwits that this disarry is their just desserts.
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Fast forward to last night, when our suspicions were confirmed. On the way into the screening, my bag was searched and a security guard frisked me with one of those squealy wands they use to find weapons on people at airports. Now I don't remember the last time someone hijacked a movie theater, so what are they hiding in there?

In we went to find out, and we weren't disappointed. Throughout the movie the intrepid Ben Stein (the movie's hero and narrator) keeps reappearing at a lectern, looking like George W. Bush, talking about 'freedom' this and 'freedom' that. An audience sits rapt before him, reminiscent of the Whitehouse press corps. Clearly, this is a thinly veiled attempt to equate Ben Stein's credibility on science issues with those of W himself. As if to drive home the point, snippets of Ronald Reagan's speeches are spliced in as well, again yammering on about 'freedom.'

Other points only serve to harden the case for conspiracy. Consider:

Fact: when someone asked during the Q&A session "So who did finance this movie?" Premise Media's marketing director, George Lange responded, "I don't know...certainly not George Soros." Oh really? Why was Soros, a famously liberal billionaire on the tip of Lange's tongue?


Of course we don't have any evidence that Walt Ruloff funding this film with help from Al Qaeda. ;) What are birdbrains? "We just don't know!"

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,22:23   

Ooh, fun.  Kevin Miller helpfully points out the long version of that oh so funny commercial on YouTube.  It has nifty video of microtubules being peeled apart that I swear I've seen somewhere before:



(edited 11/4/2008: New Image Host)

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,22:26   

Gack. Sorry.  Here's the commercial:

crap

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,22:36   

All we need are for XVIVIO, Harvard, Yoko Ono and The Killers to pool funds and show them why you get expelled for stealing.

This is no casual oversight.  They have said that they think fair use covers using a 25 second music clip in an advert - I rather think there are some well financed musicians who would disagree.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,23:16   

And Dembski was prattling on about the legal savvy of these cats.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,23:40   

They are obviously thinking 5 moves ahead.  Just think of the free publicity as they get from three Waterloos


Make that two - it seems they did license the Killers
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Bloggers also questioned whether another popular rock group, the Killers, had given permission for the inclusion in the film of one of their songs, "All These Things That I've Done." A spokesman for Vivendi SA's Universal Music Group, which owns the band's record label and music publisher, said licenses had been issued.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,03:02   

Is anyone else having extreme difficulty tearing their eyes away from this slow-motion train wreck led by the Ben Stein Express?
It's like watching the Bizarro-world version of The Mothman Prophecies except, rather than getting phone calls, I get ambushed by those nauseating commercials.

Must.Switch.Off.TV...

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,04:30   

I know it's been mentioned before, but the IDCists have utterly given up any pretence that IDC is scientific. They are touting its religious nature simply to make bucks. This has, yet again, exposed the IDC movement as a) a pious fraud designed to fleece the flock of the faithful, and b) a finger on the hand that is flicking the badly perforated chad on the corruptly counted ballot in order to get as close to a theocracy as the appeasers will allow.

They've basically abandoned their more obvious lie, and are plumbing the tard mines of "Wot a fwend we have in JJEEEEEEEEEEZIS" for all they are worth. It's only a few stragglers and dishonest fucks like FTK that haven't woken up to how hard they are being rammed on this issue by its proponents.

Pathetic.

Louis

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,04:39   

Wow.  Shermer really pissed off Luskin.  There's a two-part denunciation on the DI "blog":


http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....ta.html

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008...._1.html

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bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,04:57   

Quote (didymos @ April 17 2008,21:39)
Wow.  Shermer really pissed off Luskin.  There's a two-part denunciation on the DI "blog":


http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....ta.html

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008...._1.html

Must have melted their site. I can't connect.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,05:22   

Expelled Exposed needs to be spread everywhere, now that it's up and running.

Kate even took one for the team and gave up her spot in my sig.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,06:05   

Quote (bystander @ April 17 2008,02:57)
Must have melted their site. I can't connect.

No such luck.  The LORD of Tubes has granted them a reprieve.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,07:19   

Quote (didymos @ April 16 2008,22:26)
Gack. Sorry.  Here's the commercial:

crap

Excuse me, but lest we forget, WAD completely agrees with Dawkins-- that a Designer is just as likely as hobgoblins or 'gremlins', if you will.

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,08:04   

Quote (ERV @ April 17 2008,05:19)
 
Quote (didymos @ April 16 2008,22:26)
Gack. Sorry.  Here's the commercial:

crap

Excuse me, but lest we forget, WAD completely agrees with Dawkins-- that a Designer is just as likely as hobgoblins or 'gremlins', if you will.

Well, I hadn't read that entry yet.  Lo and behold, the first word of the first comment is....gack.

You think we could ask Dembski do to a "Bayesian sort of thing" and give us the odds on that?  I'm pretty sure it proves the Ecumenically Acceptable Designer is teh realz.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,08:16   

Looks like I might have to change that image slightly...



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improvius



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,08:57   

Reviews are starting to roll in now.  Current Tomatometer rating: 11% and falling.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,09:03   

Looks like somebody broke the template at Expelled Exposed.

Anybody here that can get someone's attention on it pronto?

Edited by Lou FCD on April 17 2008,10:05

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,09:15   

I've sent email to Carrie. Unless she arrives early for work, though, it will be a couple of hours before she gets that.

That problem, not loading the CSS style sheet, sometimes happens when a server is bogged down, too. That's tough to fix if so.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,09:17   

Quote (improvius @ April 17 2008,08:57)
Reviews are starting to roll in now.  Current Tomatometer rating: 11% and falling.

To put things into better perspective, the official Tomatometer rating for Howard the Duck (one of the all-time stinkaroos) is 19.

Ishtar, another famous Hollywood turkey, also clocks in at 19 on the Tomatometer.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,09:49   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 17 2008,10:15)
I've sent email to Carrie. Unless she arrives early for work, though, it will be a couple of hours before she gets that.


Okee Doke.

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 17 2008,10:15)
That problem, not loading the CSS style sheet, sometimes happens when a server is bogged down, too. That's tough to fix if so.


I just checked, and they're coming up 8th on a google search both for "expelled" and "expelled movie", so maybe it's a server load thing.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,09:56   

Yeah, that new cell animation?  Not so different, only yet more shitlike:


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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,10:30   

"If it's crappy enough, maybe they'll feel too sorry for us to sue."

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