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snoeman



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,11:53   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 13 2008,10:33)
Who's our non-profit expert?

That would be the makers of "Expelled", which should become apparent roughly 24 hours after its release.

Edit: style change, such as it was.

  
dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,13:35   

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Does this mean I can create the Doc Bill Research Foundation, declare it to be not-for-profit and solicit money to enable me to "think" all day.  Great Thoughts, mind you, although I think best in a new BMW.

Somehow, there has to be more to it; some regulation.

Who's our non-profit expert?

You can more or less do that.  I know two individuals who, back the 1980s, started not-for-profits here to finance their own personal field research into raptors.  Both have grown to include more people than the founder (and one was such a prick he eventually got fired from his "own" not-for-profit).  But in the beginning, it was just them.  One has spent extensive time traveling the world doing field work, funded by donations from a variety of well-heeled people interested in raptors.

Nice gig, actually.

And in the open source software world, non-profits are common, providing a mechanism to provide support for developers, etc.  I derive a small part of my income in this way.

Not-for-profits are corporations, so you need the baggage - President, Treasurer and a board in my state, need to do your annual reports, tax reports.  You have to get your corporation qualified as being tax-exempt.  I don't know if "sitting around, thinking" would qualify but "research" probably would :)

So, hey, go for it, push those boundaries!

  
Reginald Beasley



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,16:29   

Looks like Kerry Emmanuel has come out and said new evidence has made him reverse his position that global warming will cause more hurricanes.

Note how he doesn't say that global warming exists, but just watch.  We'll be getting lambasted for weeks from the usual suspects screeching that global warming isn't real.

Of course, davescot over at UD has picked up on this and has posted about it.

This is why this anti-science crap is so dangerous.

Normal common occurence - scientist  changes his position when confronted with new evidence - gets distorted into a literally deadly talking point to score political points.

  
Reginald Beasley



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,16:31   

Oops, *note how he doesn't say that global warming doesn't exist....  I'll start previewing before I post, sorry.

  
dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,19:25   

No, he doesn't say global warming doesn't exist, after all he's modeling the impact of warming on tropical cyclone frequency and intensity over the next 200 years.

However the first three responses to the post read as though the writers BELIEVE that Emmanuel is reversing his position on global warming itself.

Interesting how quickly a denialist like Dave embraces model output when it agrees with his own bias, since we continuously hear that the models can't be trusted ...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,19:29   

Quote (Dr.GH @ April 13 2008,00:55)
Quote (godsilove @ April 12 2008,15:51)
Does anybody know more about this Maciej Giertych guy, who was interviewed by Ben Stein for Expelled?

He is the only reason I was ever published in Nature.

I dug up some stuff on him.

In addition there is a blog that covers him on a regular basis. IMHO, Maciej Giertych is a bit of a freak. He is also one of the Polish scientists who raised a fuss in Nature over evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2008,23:38   

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/michael-scherme.html#more

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,10:21   

is a link to watch

This

Use it to document money generated by Expelled.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,10:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 12 2008,10:24)
FtK on Expelled!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelle....-230033

 
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...In fact, this may be one of the most fair and balanced flicked ever made
[emphasis mine]

She's no seen it though, obviously.

"Flicked"?

I like the sound of that! :)

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,15:37   

Fundy rap on “Expelled.”

Expelled the movie, opens April 18.

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Cindy C.,  “I'll bet satan will be causing lots of flat tires on the way to see that movie.”  


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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,15:59   

First Kevin Miller says that biblical literalists are hard to find.

Then Mark Mathis says that only biblical literalists can be Christians.
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But I would tell you from a, my personal standpoint as somebody who’s worked on this project, that Ken Miller would have confused the film unnecessarily. I don’t agree with Ken Miller. I think that you, I think that when you look at this issue and this debate, that really there’s, there’s one side of the line or the other, and you, it’s, it’s hard to stay, I don’t think you can intellectually, honestly, honestly intellectually stand on a line that I don’t think exists—


Both atheists and anti-line-in-the-sandists are bad.

I’ve coined a new term: evophobe! Use it often. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,16:17   

Experiment..

Code Sample
<a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"><i>Expelled</i></a>


href="http://expelledexposed.com/"><i>Expelled</i></a>


does this work?

Form here:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng...._do.php

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,16:41   

Expelled Exposed

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charlie d



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,17:13   

I think it should be Expelled, if we want it to show up when the people google for information on the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.  Clear enough?

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,17:20   

Given the latest rantings on EvoNews are Bruce Chapman and Robert Crother talking about the same Expelled!?

Not about Nazis?  All about teh Expelled!?

Oh, could teh Scheiss be hitting der Fan?

The DI is all about Teh Sci3nc3 and Excremented! is all about Teh Gott und teh Nazis.

So, why NOW is the DI trying to backpedal on Expelled!?  Could it be that Oh Noes, Plan B, she no workz?

Plan B my Aunt Petunia.  Definitely Plan 9.

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,17:24   

Quote (charlie d @ April 14 2008,17:13)
I think it should be Expelled, if we want it to show up when the people google for information on the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.  Clear enough?

The expelled exposed site is never going to show up in any search for "expelled" unless they make it relevant.  Right now the site has zero search engine relevance (Google).

Google "expelled"  and you'll note it does not show up, at least not on the first page.

You have to play the google game and that site has not made good use of tags, has no content, has no incoming links, in short it is doomed to not show up in a search for "expelled"

They should have someone who is search engine savvy improve the site if they want it to show up in any searches for the term "expelled".

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improvius



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,17:27   

Quote (charlie d @ April 14 2008,18:13)
I think it should be Expelled, if we want it to show up when the people google for information on the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.  Clear enough?

Maybe we should also add that the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein, deals with evolution, intelligent design (or "ID"), and creationism.

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charlie d



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,17:37   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ April 14 2008,17:24)
Quote (charlie d @ April 14 2008,17:13)
I think it should be Expelled, if we want it to show up when the people google for information on the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.  Clear enough?
You have to play the google game and that site has not made good use of tags, has no content, has no incoming links, in short it is doomed to not show up in a search for "expelled"

The content is on its way.  And the links to Expelled, aka Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein from external web sites are meant precisely to add relevance.

If net-heads have any additional suggestion, let us know.

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,18:13   

Quote (charlie d @ April 14 2008,17:37)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ April 14 2008,17:24)
Quote (charlie d @ April 14 2008,17:13)
I think it should be Expelled, if we want it to show up when the people google for information on the Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.  Clear enough?
You have to play the google game and that site has not made good use of tags, has no content, has no incoming links, in short it is doomed to not show up in a search for "expelled"

The content is on its way.  And the links to Expelled, aka Expelled movie, aka Expelled: no intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein from external web sites are meant precisely to add relevance.

If net-heads have any additional suggestion, let us know.

MSN is recongizing some incoming links, Google does not register any.  Makes me wonder if google thinks its a link farm or just thinks it has no content.  The site has been indexed by google, if you search on "expelled exposed" it comes up so google is not completely ignoring it.

An informative narrative (with appropriate word density)on the front page would be a good start.  

Anyhow...

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,18:33   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 14 2008,16:41)
Expelled Exposed

Variety Magazine credits these guys as animators.



Out of Our Minds.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,18:48   

Some stills from the Out ofOur Minds demo:





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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,19:58   

I've been expelled from Kevin Miller's limerick competition:

 
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Some company, Plagiarmation
Once copied a cell animation
"inner life of the cell"
it's as blatent as hell
so now we await litigation

A comp'ny that really excelled
at lying to rubes was compelled
to exploit deaths of jews
to get in the news
a pile of shite called "expelled"


Sorry, Steve H. Had to delete your contribution for legal reasons.

Edit: For scanniness. Rats! is there no word that google can't find?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,21:25   

Quote (steve_h @ April 14 2008,20:58)
I've been expelled from Kevin Miller's limerick competition:

 
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Some company, Plagiarmation
Once copied a cell animation
"inner life of the cell"
it's as blatent as hell
so now we await litigation

A comp'ny that really excelled
at lying to rubes was compelled
to exploit deaths of jews
to get in the news
a pile of shite called "expelled"


Sorry, Steve H. Had to delete your contribution for legal reasons.

Edit: For scanniness. Rats! is there no word that google can't find?

I choke upon the irony.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,21:29   

heh.  Kev aint come back round these parts, has he?

'Legal reasons'?  I thought EXPELLED planned all this?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,21:37   

Here's mine, in case it gets censored (not an issue on any non-creationist blogs, oddly enough):

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There was a screenwriter named Miller,
who thought he'd create the next thriller,
with Nazis and theft,
his claims were bereft
of honesty.  He's just a libeler.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,21:48   

There once was a Kev from Nantucket...

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,21:51   

Quote (Maya @ April 14 2008,21:37)
Here's mine, in case it gets censored (not an issue on any non-creationist blogs, oddly enough):

 
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There was a screenwriter named Miller,
who thought he'd create the next thriller,
with Nazis and theft,
his claims were bereft
of honesty.  He's just a libeler.

Yes, yes, the last line doesn't scan well.  It beats my original version of "He's just another ignorant, lying creationist."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,22:52   

Quote (steve_h @ April 14 2008,17:58)
I've been expelled from Kevin Miller's limerick competition:

 
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Some company, Plagiarmation
Once copied a cell animation
"inner life of the cell"
it's as blatent as hell
so now we await litigation

A comp'ny that really excelled
at lying to rubes was compelled
to exploit deaths of jews
to get in the news
a pile of shite called "expelled"


Sorry, Steve H. Had to delete your contribution for legal reasons.

Edit: For scanniness. Rats! is there no word that google can't find?

Dang that is good.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2008,23:15   

Greek myths, geek gifts...  
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There once was a man named Ben Stein
whose narcissism turned water to brine.
His reflection he saw
in a tear-pond of false awe,
and named “God” after his own design.


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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,00:33   

riff on Maya,

There was a screenwriter named Miller,
who thought he'd create the next thriller,
with Nazis and fraud
he is a lying sod
who traded Darwin for Hitler

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