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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,22:03   

Quote (dochocson @ April 10 2008,21:53)
I think we're underestimating ID brain trust. After several arduous hours of perusing posts on the issue, it struck me.

Ben Stein wasn't chosen just for his scintillating screen presence, he's a comedian.

This will all perk along for a while, then Casey Luskin will hold a press conference annoucing thatExpelled is just a parody, and therefore not subject to copyright law!

Then he'll pull off his mask, revealing that he is actually Wes Elsberry. Furthermore, it will be revealed that Dembski is actually PZ Myers, DaveScot is Richard Dawkins, and FtK is ERV.

I thought Angelina Jolie was ERV???
Deeply disappointed...o wait, am I on the wrong thread again??

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,22:06   

THIS is all TOO fucking much.

Comment ridiculing the geniuses behind "Expelled!" is gilding the lily. Sometimes you gotta just stand back and watch them slip-slide into absurdity. Sometimes you got to look away.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,22:59   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 10 2008,21:06)
THIS is all TOO fucking much.

Comment ridiculing the geniuses behind "Expelled!" is gilding the lily. Sometimes you gotta just stand back and watch them slip-slide into absurdity. Sometimes you got to look away.

Sometimes for sheer obsessive fun you gotta pack your friends into your car and return to the carnage to drive them past the tornado* debris! :)

*not in a junkyard

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,23:20   

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I'm not even seeing the image.

I haz special switches, bitches.


   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,23:28   

Quote (PennyBright @ April 10 2008,19:30)
I still think I may bend my ethics though, †and figure out a way to not have to pay to see the thing.

Wait until you find the DVD at a library or yard sale.

As for me, they'd have to pay *me* to watch it. †:D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,00:28   

Flunked, Not Expelled: Whatís the Difference Between Peppered Moths and Pepperdine Students?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,00:40   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 09 2008,16:33)
The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well sure he's a known right of center christian type, but I've never heard that before. I will follow it up and see if I can some more direct info either way.

Well Wesley my inquiries confirm you are correct.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,01:03   

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The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well sure he's a known right of center christian type, but I've never heard that before. I will follow it up and see if I can some more direct info either way.

Well Wesley my inquiries confirm you are correct.

It's typical, I guess, that I should be right about something I'd rather be wrong on.

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uriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,03:03   

Quote (BopDiddy @ April 10 2008,11:58)
Man, oh man, *now* here comes a flame war...

Mike was the head-writer, even for much of the Joel stuff, I hope ya know.  And most of the awards the show received were during Mike's involvement.

So there.  Neener neener.


OK- that leads to a better analogy.

Marti Noxon was a head writer for Buffy on and off. Doesn't mean the whole thing didn't take a nose dive in season 5, when Josh Whedon decided Firefly and Angel were his main priorities.

Creators matter. Just ask Denise O'Leary.

So nayh, as peloponnesian merchants were given to opine, from time to time.

  
uriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,03:29   

And now to serious stuff (or minor quibbling that vaguely funny, your call)-

On the Expelled blog, the most stable Beatle schools us on how classic fail our arguments are:

     
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Ringo@858:

I have noticed that there are 3 basic techniques that are used by most (not all) of the proponents of molecules to man evolution to attack their enemies (ID):

1. Start off by using the word ďUmmmĒ.

2. Disarm your enemy by calling him a liar or insisting that you are the keeper of the ďtruthĒ.

3. Get emotional real quick and call your enemy stupid, ignorant, lazy and a liar.

4. Cut and paste or copy your arguments from the propaganda machine (posing as a credible scientific website)known as TALKORIGINS.ORG!! Just like Marcus Williams likes to do.

5. After you claimed yourself the victor and ďtotally debunkedĒ your enemy - attack your enemies ďlevel of educationĒ and give the reader the impression that you are more qualified to answer questions dealing with a whole range of scientific fields (like Marcus likes to do).

6. And finally the most important. After you have spent the whole day reading each of these comments make sure that you get in the last word. And if you do not get a counter argument to your well thought out intellectual response then claim yourself the victor.


Because science is easy. But counting?!! That crap's nuts hard.

I'm sure there's an lol-kitty in there, but I'm far too lazy- something like "Umm... Oh noes!!! Darwins haz loosed teh intertubes." Or something.

The main issue for me is, who are the other three guys in the trinity, and what the hell have they been doing for the past 2000 years?

  
uriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,03:38   

Damn it- that should read "minor quibbling that is vaguely funny"

Can I haz editz, HOMOS? 'Kthanxbai.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,03:59   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 09 2008,16:33)
The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well sure he's a known right of center christian type, but I've never heard that before. I will follow it up and see if I can some more direct info either way.

Well Wesley my inquiries confirm you are correct.

It's typical, I guess, that I should be right about something I'd rather be wrong on.

Now ain't THAT the truth! I continually hope that IDCists, creationists and fools (but I repeat myself) will disappoint me. They never do. They always deliver the goods. I'd go to a bookies and make a bet, but I'm afraid the odds would be sufficiently unprofitable that the calories burnt walking to the bookies would cost me more in food.

Louis

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,05:37   

Quote (uriel @ April 11 2008,04:29)
The main issue for me is, who are the other three guys in the trinity, and what the hell have they been doing for the past 2000 years?

It's a mereological trinity. There are seven guys.

(And they call this monotheism.)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,06:23   

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I'll take the short bus home.

Man that is soooo sig block material. †:D

Meh, later. Don't know each other, really. First date kinda thing. Save it for later maybe.

That's cool.  I don't want to be your rebound sig.  I can see you're still not over your last one.

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,06:35   

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I'll take the short bus home.

Man that is soooo sig block material. †:D

Meh, later. Don't know each other, really. First date kinda thing. Save it for later maybe.

That's cool. †I don't want to be your rebound sig. †I can see you're still not over your last one.

Well played.
My first reply didn't quite hit the tone I wanted. Your "short bus" comment almost got the better part of a mouthful of good wine to come out my nose. VERY hilarious.
Just so we're cool, amigo.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,09:20   

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I still think I may bend my ethics though, †and figure out a way to not have to pay to see the thing.

Wait until you find the DVD at a library or yard sale.

As for me, they'd have to pay *me* to watch it. †:D

Likewise. Those 6 months I had FSTDT bookmarked completely trashed my resistance to this kind of thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,10:19   

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Someone needs to explain to me how they get video of Meyers, Dawkins and all the Darwinian materialists saying all this stuff. I mean did Ben just go right up to them and say ďhi were doing a movie called Expelled (no intelligence allowed) and its about exposing your side for the psychopaths that you are. Just for the movieís sake can you please give us your side of the argument as blatantly and as vile as you can possibly say it?

And then they set up the HD cameras?

From what I have seen that they have captured on tape, this movie is gold.

Hmm. †Maybe they lied?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,11:02   

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12:27 am
Someone needs to explain to me how they get video of Meyers, Dawkins and all the Darwinian materialists saying all this stuff. I mean did Ben just go right up to them and say ďhi were doing a movie called Expelled (no intelligence allowed) and its about exposing your side for the psychopaths that you are. Just for the movieís sake can you please give us your side of the argument as blatantly and as vile as you can possibly say it?

And then they set up the HD cameras?

From what I have seen that they have captured on tape, this movie is gold.

Hmm. †Maybe they lied?

It is called video-mining.  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,11:39   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 10 2008,00:16)

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So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.


That will be fun. More subpoenas, discovery, deposition, and cross-examination. I don't think they'll think it is much fun on the other side, though.


It looks like they might indeed run with the plagiarized video....
(From the "Expelled" blog: http://expelledthemovie.com/blog/)

Editorís Note: Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the animation used in our movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. †Claims that we have used any animation in an unauthorized manner are simply false. †Premise Media created the animation that illustrates cellular activity used in our film.

Here's hoping that the Expelled producers end up getting a Dover-style courtroom spanking.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,11:41   

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Frost122585
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Someone needs to explain to me how they get video of Meyers, Dawkins and all the Darwinian materialists saying all this stuff. I mean did Ben just go right up to them and say ďhi were doing a movie called Expelled (no intelligence allowed) and its about exposing your side for the psychopaths that you are. Just for the movieís sake can you please give us your side of the argument as blatantly and as vile as you can possibly say it?

And then they set up the HD cameras?

From what I have seen that they have captured on tape, this movie is gold.

Hmm. †Maybe they lied?

It is called video-mining. †:D

If you sit down in front of the cameras with a Michael Moore or a Mike Wallace, you ought to have a reasonable expectation of what can happen next. Of course, people still get caught unawares; they never realize how completely misleading the process can be until they find themselves or their issues "framed" through the magic of video editing into a narrative they can barely recognize. But at least the interviewees were given forewarning.

In the case of Crossroads Expelled there was no forewarning whatsoever. The filmmakers video-mined, yes. But first, they lied.

Frosty has no friggin idea. Even if he did, where's the harm in a little Lyin Fer Jesus?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,11:45   

Once it is released, there will be no doubt about what the animation content is, and the detailed comparisons to the Harvard/XVIVO product should become broadly available. I would hope that becomes a talking point that the media never lets Stein walk away from... "Why does your animation look so much like theirs, right down to the errors they made?"

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,12:22   

From Ben Stein's interview with Coral Ridge Ministries, courtesy of Bill Dembski:
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Jerry: Whatís a nice Jewish boy like you doing in a nice Christian film like this?

Ben: Whatís a nice Jewish boy like me doing in a ďChristianĒ film like this? Itís a film for people who believe in freedom of speech. Itís a film for people who believe that worship of God and the worship of God as the author and creator of the universe is a legitimate belief and legitimately able to be spoken about. Itís a film for Muslims who believe in that. Itís a film for Hindus who believe in that. Itís a film for people who believe in God or believe in freedom of speech or believe in the idea that academic discourse in Americaís colleges and universities should not be shut down. Itís a film for people who believe in what Thomas Jefferson thought of as his vision of America. Itís not a proselytizing film for Christians or Muslims or Jews or Hindus. Itís a film for people who want to believe and who do believe that there is a God, an Intelligent Designer, and you know something, itís even a film for people who donít believe in that, but they believe in freedom of speech for everyone anyway.

All science so far!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,12:23   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 11 2008,11:45)
Once it is released, there will be no doubt about what the animation content is, and the detailed comparisons to the Harvard/XVIVO product should become broadly available. I would hope that becomes a talking point that the media never lets Stein walk away from... "Why does your animation look so much like theirs, right down to the errors they made?"

Wes - Any talk about getting an injunction to prevent release until the "expropriated" footage is removed?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,12:36   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 11 2008,11:45)
Once it is released, there will be no doubt about what the animation content is, and the detailed comparisons to the Harvard/XVIVO product should become broadly available. I would hope that becomes a talking point that the media never lets Stein walk away from... "Why does your animation look so much like theirs, right down to the errors they made?"

Wes - Any talk about getting an injunction to prevent release until the "expropriated" footage is removed?

They are exploring their options.

:P

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,12:40   

WingNutDaily product promotion tie in:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61205

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,13:15   

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WingNutDaily product promotion tie in:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61205

Sweet.  I'll take one copy of How to Hump Your Floor and 2 free tickets to Expelled, please!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,13:20   

I thought that the fervent Christians in the Philippines who allow themselves to be whipped and nailed to crosses every Good Friday were willing to torture themselves...


Now comes this:

(from http://www.earthtimes.org/article.....shtml)


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DENVER, April 11  /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- American RTL members are holding a movie marathon viewing all fifteen showings on opening weekend of Ben Stein's new movie, Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed (http://www.expelledthemovie.com/), Friday through Sunday, April 18-20.

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AmericanRTL.org says, "American Right To Life's movie marathon, Expelled? Go to the movies! will be from Friday April 18 at 11:30 a.m. through the last showing Sunday evening!"



Getting nailed to a cross... or sitting through 15 showings of "Expelled"... I'd have to think about that one.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,13:28   

Expelled To XVIVO: Up Yours!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,13:46   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2008,12:40)
WingNutDaily product promotion tie in:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61205

First Prize - A Ticket to Expelled.

Second Prize = 2 Tickets to expelled.

But the real downside is the WingNut Daily Product.

Nothing like letting everybody know that you can bring the crazy with the best of 'em.

Ya got to admire the marketing tie-in though - it's a perfect match for their target market of the credulous and the cretin.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2008,13:49   

Quote (caerbannog @ April 11 2008,13:20)
I thought that the fervent Christians in the Philippines who allow themselves to be whipped and nailed to crosses every Good Friday were willing to torture themselves...


Now comes this:

(from http://www.earthtimes.org/article.....shtml)


Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:07:54 GMT
Author : American Right To Life
Category : Press Release
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DENVER, April 11  /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- American RTL members are holding a movie marathon viewing all fifteen showings on opening weekend of Ben Stein's new movie, Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed (http://www.expelledthemovie.com/), Friday through Sunday, April 18-20.

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AmericanRTL.org says, "American Right To Life's movie marathon, Expelled? Go to the movies! will be from Friday April 18 at 11:30 a.m. through the last showing Sunday evening!"



Getting nailed to a cross... or sitting through 15 showings of "Expelled"... I'd have to think about that one.

That sounds good, actually.  The higher the gross that first night, the higher the damages requested should be if they are sued the next day, after it is confirmed that they used the plagiarized XVIVO animation for commercial purposes.

  
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