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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,06:58   

Quote (CeilingCat @ April 04 2011,01:00)
In the Two Challenges for KL ... thread, BS77 brings up a supposed million dollar prize "for proposing a highly plausible natural-process mechanism for the spontaneous rise of genetic instructions in nature sufficient to give rise to life."

He gives this URL for more info on the prize: http://www.us.net/life/

When you go there, you find our old friend, David Abel at work again. †This time he has a "foundation". †The address of this "foundation" is given as

The Origin-of-Life Science Foundation, Inc
113 Hedgewood Drive
Greenbelt, MD, 20770-1610

Oddly enough, if you go to Google Maps and type in that address, then switch to Satellite picture, you find †you're looking at what appears to be an ordinary house in an ordinary residential neighborhood.

To win, you seem to have to have your paper printed in a prestegious science journal (as Salvador would say), then their in-house staff scrutinizes it, then they hand it to a ten judge panel. †If 70% of the judges pass it, they hand it to another ten judge panel. †If 70% of those judges pass your idea, it's handed to a third ten judge panel. †And so on until the fifth ten judge panel passes on your idea. †However, the foundation reserves the right to have more than ten judges in any panel.

"The final and highest tier of judging will be carried out by a select group of highly respected life-origin investigators and theorists along with Nobel laureates and distinguished members of many National Academies of Sciences who are not necessarily life-origin specialists."

They list just about everybody you've ever heard of as judges. †Here's the first few, the rest can be found under "Judging":

Freeman J. Dyson, USA, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton
A. Graham Cairns-Smith, SCOTLAND, University of Glasgow (ret),
Jack W. Szostak, USA, Dept. of Molecular Biology, Massachusetts Gen. Hosp.
Jeffrey Tze-Fei Wong, HONG KONG, Biochem., Hong Kong Univ.of Sci.& Tech.
Charles H. Townes, USA, Physics Dept, University of California at Berkeley
John D. Barrow, U.K., Appl Math & Theor Physics, Cambridge
Pier Luigi Luisi, SWITZERLAND, Institut fur Polymere, ETH-Zurich
Paul Davies, AUSTRALIA, Professor of Physics, Burnside, South Australia

I wonder how many of them have heard of the foundation?

Meanwhile, I wouldn't make winning this prize a vital part of your retirement plans.

A few years ago, I contacted about a dozen of the 'judges' just to see.  Not a single one of them that responded had ever heard of the group.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,07:42   

Another JoeG own-goal:
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bachfiend:
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   Professor Ken Miller also rejects ID because itís bad science.

I donít think he knows what science is.


Yeah, I know: I may as well have just said "JoeG posted a comment again".  Same difference.

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Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,08:09   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 04 2011,14:02)
After more than 10 hours stuck in moderation, my departing post is still not up. This is what I said:



KL
04/03/2011
8:10 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Well, folks, between spending hours in moderation and finding that no one is able to answer the original question, I guess itís time to move on. Metaphysical arguments against evolution is not the same as explaining the evidence from a different paradigm. In science, if your explanation is better than the last, you should be able to show it, and no one is willing to do so here. I have to conclude that you all are a long way from providing anything that can remotely challenge evolution as the reigning paradigm. I had hoped you would have something. Perhaps you need to find an anthropologist to join you? A anyway, good luck. I think Iíll stick with my spouse and associates on this one, as they can address the specifics about the distribution, age and features of the fossils. You canít ignore that they exist, so explaining them canít be avoided.

One final point-unless you fix your moderation system, youíll not have many here offering a different perspective. 8,10,12 hours or more before a post appears is just too long; it disrupts the conversation and makes posts appear out of context.

YEAH FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH HERE'S TEH SKINNY.

A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK BILgrrrL INVITED ALL TEH UD REGULARS OVER TO SHARE HIS LATEST WINNINGS

SOME BOTTLE  OF SINGLE MALT CALLED "Laphroaig" SHIT I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS SERIOUS. I MEAN THAT SHIT TASTES LIKE A LOUISIANA HILLBILLIES ARSEHOLE AND I SHOULD KNOW...... IT TOOK TWO MERCURY CARBURETTORS FILLED WITH MEKONG TO GET RID OF IT. MAN I LOVE TEH SMELL OF REFRIGERANT IN THE MORNINGS.

ANYHOWS THEY ALL LINED UP IN TEH FOYER ABOUT 6 AT NIGHT AND I USHERED THEM INTO TEH RECTORY.

HE SAID WATCH THIS.

HE POURED THAT PEAT SHIT INTO A DECANTOR AND PISSED INTO THE BOTTLE.

YEAH PISSED INTO IT!

FUCK I WAS IMPRSESSED.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

THEY ALL TOOK A SHOT AND DIDN'T EVEN CHOKE.

MAN THAT'S DEVOTION

GOD DEMBSKI IS TEH CAPO EL TUTTI DE CAPO OF ID.

THOSE GUYS WOOD DIE FOR HIM d.t.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,08:58   

ID is dead dead dead dead dead dead.  Aint nothing left of the corpse much to pick at, just these false teeth and the wig it left laying here.  Louis done rundoft with teh skull.

Fortunately, that polaroid photo it left us before it died will sustain some more fits of laugher.  and that thing that crawled out of it's britches leg still posts about it's dim view of the shadows and Frill is still repressed and all mad about it.  But they are whether they admit or not back to being just routine creationists now. and some of them are still butthurt about it.  so, lulz

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,09:16   

Quote (Mark Frank @ April 03 2011,15:45)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,14:28)
Well, all comments posted since 8PM last night are in moderation, in spite of the fact that a new thread challenging me to answer two questions has been put up since then, so it makes no sense that the comments haven't cleared yet. Only I can see them.

I am not in moderation - I will point this out.

My last posts have been in moderation for well over 12 hours, yet they come on thinking that they are actually conversing with me. Surely at least O'Leary, whose threads these are knows that my posts are not going through. This seems dishonest to me.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,09:30   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 04 2011,09:16)
 
Quote (Mark Frank @ April 03 2011,15:45)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,14:28)
Well, all comments posted since 8PM last night are in moderation, in spite of the fact that a new thread challenging me to answer two questions has been put up since then, so it makes no sense that the comments haven't cleared yet. Only I can see them.

I am not in moderation - I will point this out.

My last posts have been in moderation for well over 12 hours, yet they come on thinking that they are actually conversing with me. Surely at least O'Leary, whose threads these are knows that my posts are not going through. This seems is dishonest. to me.

Fixed That For You!

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,09:35   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 04 2011,10:16)
Quote (Mark Frank @ April 03 2011,15:45)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,14:28)
Well, all comments posted since 8PM last night are in moderation, in spite of the fact that a new thread challenging me to answer two questions has been put up since then, so it makes no sense that the comments haven't cleared yet. Only I can see them.

I am not in moderation - I will point this out.

My last posts have been in moderation for well over 12 hours, yet they come on thinking that they are actually conversing with me. Surely at least O'Leary, whose threads these are knows that my posts are not going through. This seems dishonest to me.

The UD moderation system is working exactly as planned. Since you have accused the mods of dishonesty on another site, you qualify for moderation forever.

Posting on UD is like volunteering to be an extra in a street theater presentation of Kafka's The Castle.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,09:40   

BTW, UD semi-regular CanuckianYankee has been posting on the thread for my Amazon review of Signature in the Cell. Seems a pleasant enough fellow.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,10:14   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 04 2011,09:30)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 04 2011,09:16)
Quote (Mark Frank @ April 03 2011,15:45)
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Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,14:28)
Well, all comments posted since 8PM last night are in moderation, in spite of the fact that a new thread challenging me to answer two questions has been put up since then, so it makes no sense that the comments haven't cleared yet. Only I can see them.

I am not in moderation - I will point this out.

My last posts have been in moderation for well over 12 hours, yet they come on thinking that they are actually conversing with me. Surely at least O'Leary, whose threads these are knows that my posts are not going through. This seems is dishonest. to me.

Fixed That For You!

I am starting to think so. This post showed up this morning:

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O'Leary
04/04/2011
6:42 am
All this is most interesting, but I still havenít given up on KL, as to whether there is any theory fronted in Darwinís name that he does not think credible.

which may indicate that O'Leary is NOT the moderator and has no access to posts that are in moderation (which seems odd but is possible)

or

it's a smokescreen, saying "where's KL; why isn't he answering?" when all along they know that I can't, and want to portray my silence as an admission of defeat.

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,10:19   

Incidentally, my spouse the primatologist, looked over the UD thread and exclaimed how many quotes from anthropologists were taken out of context and did not mean what the posters insinuated. Of course, as a working scientist completely oblivious to the political fighting over this topic, did not know what the term "quote-mine" was.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,10:31   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 04 2011,11:19)
Incidentally, my spouse the primatologist, looked over the UD thread and exclaimed how many quotes from anthropologists were taken out of context and did not mean what the posters insinuated. Of course, as a working scientist completely oblivious to the political fighting over this topic, did not know what the term "quote-mine" was.

the pull of the tard is strong.  dare you ask the one you love to peer into the abyss?

Tranmaw is about what you should expect from this outfit methinks.  It's not even effective much less efficient.  But it can still tard the lotion in the basket so that keeps the yard mowed until they can entice someone to take a stomp onto Lewontin's divine feet or do some gap-bothering for a couple hundred posts of pure shite

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,12:13   

Quote (dvunkannon @ April 04 2011,08:35)
The UD moderation system is working exactly as planned. Since you have accused the mods of dishonesty on another site, you qualify for moderation forever.

Posting on UD is like volunteering to be an extra in a street theater presentation of Kafka's The Castle.

Or wearing a red shirt on Star Trek?

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,13:15   

Quote (Henry J @ April 04 2011,13:13)
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 04 2011,08:35)
The UD moderation system is working exactly as planned. Since you have accused the mods of dishonesty on another site, you qualify for moderation forever.

Posting on UD is like volunteering to be an extra in a street theater presentation of Kafka's The Castle.

Or wearing a red shirt on Star Trek?

Dammit,  Jim! I'm a surgeon, not cdesign proponentist!

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,13:26   

This just showed up:

"bornagain77 @ 13

Iím impressed by your breadth of reading about these issues. The Origin-of-Life Prize looks very interesting. They certainly have some amazing people on their panel of judges.

Itís a major credit to Uncommon Descent that itís given KL the opportunity of explaining his position in this thread!"

And my comment is still in moderation.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,13:40   

Denyse at her best:
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation


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- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,14:16   

Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,13:40)
Denyse at her best:  
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation



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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,14:44   

Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,19:40)
Denyse at her best:  
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation

Sig worthy!

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,15:20   

Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,19:40)
Denyse at her best:
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation

That's my new Facebook status. Seriously!

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Tracy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,16:39   

Blowhard77's latest link on the KL thread is to a Creed video.

Seriously.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,17:19   

A simple people search shows that house in Greenbelt, Md., to belong to one David Abel.

"Foundation."  What's next, "Empire?"

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,18:24   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 04 2011,12:16)
Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,13:40)
Denyse at her best:
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation


Choice.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,18:27   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 03 2011,21:04)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,19:54)
I'm afraid those are the comments from last night and this morning. The ones from the last couple of hours are still in moderation; in the meantime other posters have commented, which is going to make mine look out of context when it finally appears.

That's the name of the game. Let enough posts show up to bury yours. That and delay yours until the whole thread is buried.

In hopes you will give up. And if you don't give up, no one will notice anyway.

1. Copy your comments to Google Sidewiki.

2. In every comment, note that those who want to see your comments in timely fashion can view the Sidewiki.

3. Encourage other posters to note that Sidewiki has current comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,18:52   

Quote (Tracy @ April 04 2011,16:39)
Blowhard77's latest link on the KL thread is to a Creed video.

Seriously.

I come home from a busy workday and I really need posts like this. Thank you! :D

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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2011,19:11   

Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,13:40)
Denyse at her best: †  
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation

Oh, but here:

 
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Does anyone remember what happened to editor Rick Sternberg of the Journal of the Biological Society of Washington (Smithsonian) over Steve Meyerís peer reviewed paper suggesting that design might be a reasonable explanation?


No, please tell me, who shot JR? This is real life! Right? †:p

Sternberg and I could have had lunch last summer. :) I'm not working at the Smithsonian anymore, either! It's a conspiracy!

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,00:51   

The Uncommon Descent death spiral continues:  

The last five posts are by O'Leary, then there's one by nullasalus, then the next eight are by O'Leary again, then we get a 5000 word entry from Dembski which is bumped up from last Feburary and which says, essentially, "Buy my book!"

Lest you think that's the nadir of UD and it's all uphill from there, the next five posts are by O'Leary again and then we get a post by Gil Dodgen.

DoomTards

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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,01:09   

An [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/still-sane-are-you-hey-meet-a-friend-you-maybe-never-knew-you-had-pulitzer-novelist-marily

nne-robinson/]O'Leary Classic:[/URL] †
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Marilynne Robinson, who is better known as a novelist, attacked E.O. Wilson, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker and even the sainted W.D. Hamilton [my word! - ed.] in her recent book Absence of Mind.

She also adds, "In Harperís (Nov 2006) she was also fiercely critical of Dawkinsís God Delusion."

A fully qualified novelist vs four well-known scientists and an accomplished philospher? †Game Over for evolution!

edited to fix url and sharpen prose a tad

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...after reviewing the arguments, I‚Äôm inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE‚Äôs bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,01:36   

Quote (dvunkannon @ April 04 2011,09:40)
BTW, UD semi-regular CanuckianYankee has been posting on the thread for my Amazon review of Signature in the Cell. Seems a pleasant enough fellow.

I see you can sell your copy back to Amazon for $5.34. †I'd go for it.

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...after reviewing the arguments, I‚Äôm inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE‚Äôs bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,02:44   

Quote (sparc @ April 04 2011,13:40)
Denyse at her best:  
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People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutation

This has been pointed out to Denyse, but the comment is, of course, still in moderation.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,02:59   

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edited to fix url and sharpen prose a tad

URL still unfixiated. Use a url shortener like bit.ly

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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2011,04:21   

Quote (Bob O'H @ April 05 2011,02:59)
 
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edited to fix url and sharpen prose a tad

URL still unfixiated. Use a url shortener like bit.ly

My edit button has gone on walkabout. †It will be back, eventually.

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...after reviewing the arguments, I‚Äôm inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE‚Äôs bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
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