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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,23:41   

sparc that is a good find.  never heard of that one.

you know the ultimate reductionism behind 'design thinking' seems to fit right into that biophysical biology stuff that Macosko is doing.  I know nothing about it, and probably never will.  It is interesting.  But when liars claim that an understanding (or belief or acceptance of evolution is irrelevant to understanding biology, i can imagine that they think of some of the examples on Macosko's page.  

cells = machines.  tasks therefore are determine how machines function, using teleology imported from machine analogy.  

i'm not so sure that it's a good analogy (seems to be a category error to me, but I am skeptical about realism in general), but it sure as hell ain't a good teleology.  leads to the mechanical determinism that i found unrealistic in Selfish Gene etc.

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caerbannog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,01:39   

Hilarious tin-foil hattery at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/58628

For example, David Klinghoffer, writing for Townhall Magazine on February 26, 2008, reveals the following true story:

A biologist I know recently bleached his hair and changed his appearance in other ways so as to be almost unrecognizable. I'm being deliberately vague about his looks and identity because he was going undercover. When I last saw him, he was ready for a stint of researching and lab work on intelligent design at a university that he declined to name. On returning to the lab after winter break, he said he would adopt a different disguise?.

The purpose is to avoid being spotted by scientists hostile to intelligent design (ID). If Darwinists realized that this stealthy biologist was working in their midst, as the guest of a professor at the same university, they could make that host professor pay a heavy career price.


What's next? Groucho glasses?  Har Har Har!

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,01:55   

Sorry about the double post.  For some reason, it didn't appear immediately. I waited a couple minutes, tried again, at which point I figured it must be a glitch in the matrix or something.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,01:58   

Um. I dunno about everyone else, but I'm in the habit of identifying professors and researchers by their names, positions, and publication records, not their faces. Bleaching your hair is about as effective as ... yeah, groucho glasses.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,02:05   

Quote (Kristine @ April 15 2008,16:23)
Quote (ERV @ April 15 2008,10:42)
   
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Did biologists in general even worked on Expelled?

Not sure what you mean.  Sternberg and Crocker are biologists of course, although I don't know if they had any role in the movie other than being interviewed while looking soulful and aggrieved.  But IIRC Kevin Miller claimed at one point that they had a "team of cell biologists" hard at work on the animations, so there must be at least 2.

He also made that statement before Billy D screamed 'LEEEEEROOOOOY JENKINS!' and admitted they just stole the fucking thing.

Any references to 'cell biologist(s)' were a lie.  OOOH LOOK!  A LYING FUNDIE CHRISTIAN!  Ooooh put that man in a museum-- hes rare, that Kevin.

Piece of shit.

Kent [Hovind], Ken [Ham], Kevin [Miller]…

Kennektion? :p

Kenspiracy? :)


What Kenspiration!  
A lack of Kentegrity on Miller's part?

Can Dembski's Kexplanatory Filter account for Premise Media's Kenvoluted defenses against plagiarism or for their pre-Kemptive 'LEEEEEROOOOOY JENKINS!'-style lawsuit against XVIVO? Stay tuned for next week's Kepisode.

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Cheezits



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,06:24   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 15 2008,21:23)
Mandelbrottedly stupid.

Eek!  Leave Mandelbrot out of this!  I'm pretty sure he's no creationist.  

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,09:02   

Proving copyright infringement can be difficult. A court will tend not to enforce the claim without something more than mere resemblance, but typically require a striking similarity. And the plantiffs have to prove that these similarities are due to actual copying rather than a result of the underlying process being independently depicted. Angles and scales of depiction are certainly evidence of this (and derivative works are clearly protected).

But, there may also be a type of watermark. For instance, if particular objects have specific movements (e.g. jiggles) that are identical in both depictions, but are not due to a correlation of the underlying process, then that would be evidence of copying.

I'm sure this is something the original animator would immediately recognize.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,09:26   

[QUOTE][/For instance, if particular objects have specific movements (e.g. jiggles) that are identical in both depictions, but are not due to a correlation of the underlying process, then that would be evidence of copying.
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That kind of thing is exactly the basis of XVIVO's cease and desist.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,10:22   

Quote (Zachriel @ April 16 2008,09:02)
Proving copyright infringement can be difficult. A court will tend not to enforce the claim without something more than mere resemblance, but typically require a striking similarity. And the plantiffs have to prove that these similarities are due to actual copying rather than a result of the underlying process being independently depicted. Angles and scales of depiction are certainly evidence of this (and derivative works are clearly protected).

But, there may also be a type of watermark. For instance, if particular objects have specific movements (e.g. jiggles) that are identical in both depictions, but are not due to a correlation of the underlying process, then that would be evidence of copying.

I'm sure this is something the original animator would immediately recognize.

Not just the animator.  Ive found at least a dozen such examples, and I didnt make 'Inner Life'.  I just actually pay attention in class, even when profs are blithering about shit that has nothing to do with HIV.

I dont think you all realize how 'artistically rendered' that kinesin bopping along is.  I dont even think old school scientists realize how bad it is-- We read lots of recent papers on kinesin last fall in class.  There is no way under god that EXPELLED 'independently' made that same kinesin, same camera angles, same bopping, in a fraction of the time it took XVIVO (which was using 3 year old data).

I was going to write more about these (ie my actin post), but since EXPELLED is suing XVIVO (Premise Media, mind you, not their so called 'animation studio' which would be most damaged by false allegations of plagiarism-- Premise Media.) Im keeping my mouth shut.  Lets just say that their Google list of 'resources' on kinesin made my classmates and I LOL.

I wonder if thats how Premise people think scientists do research?  Not PubMed-- 'Google'...  Jesus fuck.

Actually, Premise Media doesnt need to file any lawsuit.

All they need to do is show everyone the animation they used at their December 9th preview.  If 'Inner Life' is there, they are fucked.  If the Frankenstein 'Inner Life' is there, they should have all their data to back up their claims.

What was shown December 9, 2007?

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,10:51   

Mathis seems confused as to what animation is going to be shown in the final cut

 
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GW: I have compared the original Harvard footage with the promo DVD version that Myers has posted at Pharyngula, and though I’ve only seen the film once, as I recall, there are very, very substantial differences between the final cut of the animation and the version that appears on the promo DVD. Is that right?

MM: You know, I haven’t made— I believe that’s the case; but I haven’t actually watched what Myers has posted. I haven’t made my own comparison. I apologize; I should have done that, because I have the DVD version. I have the film on PC, too, so I can do that. My problem has been that I’m running so hard and fast doing twenty-seven other things that— I know that we’ve got Executive Producers who have dealt with this specifically, and this is kind of in the periphery of what I’ve been involved in. But I’m glad you brought that up, because I need to make that comparison myself, just for my own. But I know, because I’ve watched both, that certainly there are significant differences and improvements, and I believe that, because of those substantial differences, there isn’t any merit to the charge.


I think those promo DVD's are going to be very important to XVIVIO.  Since they were what XVIIO's letter was based on, if the final cut has changed once more, the DVD's will show the cdesign proponentist fossil record as it evolved.  Somewhere there exists a cut with the unaltered XVIVIO animation just waiting to be found.

Premise's retaliatory lawsuit would have to be based on the prerelease DVD not the final cut, since that was the best information XVIVIO had.  Also if they violated copyright on the promo DVD - it's still copyright violation for commercial gain.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,11:34   

Another review:

http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/8690.article

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...Courtney Tarter, a master of divinity student from Minneapolis, Minn., said the movie helped her to understand more clearly the arguments made by evolutionists and reminded her of the importance of being able to engage cultural issues biblically.

“My initial impression of the movie was sadness, especially when I heard Richard Dawkins talk about the ignorance of those who believe in Intelligent Design and Christianity,” Tarter said. “It made me realize that the god of this world really has blinded the minds of people to think that God is only for the ignorant. It gave me a greater desire to see people come to Christ and to know the God who created them.

“I thought that it was a very engaging movie, which I think will draw people in regardless of their belief on creation. It also made me realize that, as Christians, it is so important for us to know the arguments, to engage with those opposed to us, but most importantly to know and believe our Bibles.”



So the message is clearly to thump thine bible harder.

This is a film by tards for tards.

Edited to and:

Just to recap, "the god of this world really has blinded the minds of people to think that God is only for the ignorant" - Then he's going to make them burn forever, because he is after all, Love.

She going to have a masters in divinity. Woo Hoo!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,11:36   

I finally managed to photoshop my own version of the Stein graphic, which I've posted at http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008....ed.html

It doesn't want to post the image in the message, so I guess you'll have to go there to look. Feel free to share the image freely (giving credit where credit is due, of course).

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,12:11   

This Just In:

An email addressed to "Friends Of Expelled" begging for help against the Evil Darwinists.

I guess we could all hold a vigil and stay online, hold virtual hands and sing inspirational songs before this blog and Sci-Blog close down permanently on April 19.

Either that or toast marshmallow on the coals of our Last Church Burnings.  Damn it's been so much fun too.

http://by125w.bay125.mail.live.com/mail....9954878

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Moses



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,12:26   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ April 05 2008,01:35)
By your logic, it was right for Galileo to be persecuted for his views, because the overwhelming majority of astronomers were certain that geocentrism was right and heliocentrism was wrong. The evidence was just so overwhelmingly obvious.  The same goes for virtually any other scientist that revolutionized his discipline.

So are you saying the Catholics are going to persecute Intelligent Design?  Because that's who persecuted Galileo.

Or are you just another "Liar For Christ" who pulls stupid crap out of his ass every time he's challenged?

  
uriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,12:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 16 2008,11:34)
Edited to and:

Just to recap, "the god of this world really has blinded the minds of people to think that God is only for the ignorant" - Then he's going to make them burn forever, because he is after all, Love.

She going to have a masters in divinity. Woo Hoo!

Well, just to point out- in the vernacular of people like Ms. Taylor, "The God of this world" isn't the big guy upstairs. It's his opposite number. The one with the pointy, pointy horns and the well trimmed goatee. Mwwwwwhahahaha, and all that.

So, whole she is breathlessly inane, she is still being consistent in her crazy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,13:55   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 16 2008,12:11)
This Just In:

An email addressed to "Friends Of Expelled" begging for help against the Evil Darwinists.

I guess we could all hold a vigil and stay online, hold virtual hands and sing inspirational songs before this blog and Sci-Blog close down permanently on April 19.

Either that or toast marshmallow on the coals of our Last Church Burnings.  Damn it's been so much fun too.

http://by125w.bay125.mail.live.com/mail....9954878

Here's the full text (I just received it too):
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Dear Friend of Expelled,

They’ve become enraged over it…
They’ve told movie theaters to reject it…
They’ve hurled false accusations against it…
They’ve bashed it in the press…

BUT THEY COULD NOT SHUT IT DOWN…

The most controversial film of 2008
Ben Stein's “EXPELLED”
Opens on 1,000 movie screens this Friday, April 18!

Be there! We need your support!

Check HERE to see where EXPELLED is playing near you.

The EXPELLED controversy has catapulted to #1 most popular blog on the Internet (3/24/08) and #6 on Yahoo’s “Top Searches” (4/8/08), and driven 2,000,000 people to the movie website wondering,

“What is Ben Stein saying that has people so fired up?"

Ben Stein is being called both “an idiot” and “a genius”

Atheists are enraged by the movie, “crashing” EXPELLED screenings

Liberal movie critics are slamming EXPELLED, while leaders are raving

Organizations are urging theaters to reject the movie, while others are holding movie marathons for all Expelled showings at their theaters…
Ben Stein’s EXPELLED has struck a cultural NERVE as it exposes a modern day witch hunt in which scientists, educators and students are being persecuted because they dare to question Darwinism and argue that life may be the result of "intelligent design".

As Ben takes on the world's leading atheists, and their global agenda, the hilarious but sobering results make us realize, “It’s time to get involved!”

CLICK HERE to take a GROUP to see EXPELLED


Stand with Ben Stein and support academic freedom by seeing EXPELLED.


IN THEATERS FRIDAY, APRIL 18!

Please forward this email to friends and contacts!

Sincerely,

Paul Lauer
CEO, Motive Entertainment


WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING:

"I recommend EXPELLED enthusiastically!"
- James C. Dobson, Ph.D., Chairman of the Board, Focus on the Family


"Four stars!" - Ted Baehr, Editor, MovieGuide


“A powerful and riveting film… every open-minded person will love it.”
- Rev. Donald E. Wildmon, Founder & Chairman of American Family Association


"EXPELLED is an enormously important project."
- Michael Medved, national radio host


"We highly recommend EXPELLED to anybody."
- Ken Smitherman, President, Association of Christian Schools International


"SEE THIS FILM, bring your friends and bring your church."  
- Lee Strobel, Author, Case for a Creator


“See EXPELLED and you’ll understand why they want to censor those who question their dogmas.” - Dr. Richard Land, Southern Baptist Convention

“Those who are suppressing belief in God and trying to make materialism the law of the land should beware. Ben Stein is on a mission to stop the suppression, and millions of Americans are behind him."
- Pat Robertson, Host, 700 Club

"In EXPELLED, Ben Stein shows us what happens when academic freedom takes a day off. We should all be listening."
- Carl Anderson, Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus

"EXPELLED is both an eye-opening documentary and riotous entertainment."  - Joseph Farah, CEO, WorldNetDaily.com


"This movie may trigger a cultural revolution."
- Dennis Wagner, Executive Director, Access Research Network


"EXPELLED could easily be one of the most important movies of the year."
- Denny Rydberg, President, Young Life


"EXPELLED is earthshaking. I was absolutely blown away. Everyone in America, even skeptics of Intelligent Design, must see this film."
- J. Matt Barber, Director for Cultural Issues, Concerned Women for America


"A cultural earthquake... Everyone I talked to after the screening used words like 'fabulous' and 'incredible'." - Dr. Tom Woodward, Director, C.S. Lewis Society


"A solid case for giving the theory of Intelligent Design a respected place in the classroom alongside Darwin's theory of Evolution."
- Dick Rolfe, Co-Founder and CEO, The Dove Foundation

CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFO:

THEATER LOCATOR

GET EXPELLED MOVIE RESOURCE WEBSITE

OFFICIAL MOVIE WEBSITE

SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT EXPELLED

BECOME OUR MYSPACE FRIEND

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SIGN UP TO RECEIVE EXPELLED UPDATES


All science so far!!1

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,13:59   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 16 2008,10:11)
This Just In:

An email addressed to "Friends Of Expelled" begging for help against the Evil Darwinists.

Sorry, I saw nothing at your link.

Edited to add: Thanks Jim.

That is some primo tard.

Edited by Dr.GH on April 16 2008,12:03

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godsilove



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,14:49   

Yet another Expelled animation, in which the Kinesin molecule is different from the Frankenstein version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Abz0t_yf4&feature=related

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,14:52   

Midwifetoad's most excellent Paternity Test has been picked up at PT.  Which is somehow apt.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:10   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 16 2008,12:55)
   
Quote (J-Dog @ April 16 2008,12:11)
This Just In:

An email addressed to "Friends Of Expelled" begging for help against the Evil Darwinists.

I guess we could all hold a vigil and stay online, hold virtual hands and sing inspirational songs before this blog and Sci-Blog close down permanently on April 19.

Either that or toast marshmallow on the coals of our Last Church Burnings.  Damn it's been so much fun too.

http://by125w.bay125.mail.live.com/mail....9954878

Here's the full text (I just received it too):
   *snip*

All science so far!!1

Gee, I never thought I'd say this, but too bad Jerry Falwell died. Then he could dish up a big heap of praise for this faux shimmy-shamboree, too.

Although, then Ben not-an-ein-Stein most likely would not have asked the Disco Boys if they "got any money from Jerry Falwell," of course, steering clear of the Christian MacLellan Foundation, etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:34   

OOOH. I'm 'inspired' by TEH WITCH.


wait for it...
wait for it..



BEN NEIN! STEIN© Tardwurks animations 2008

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:34   

jerry ain't gone nowhere.  As Carter and Ralph mentioned,

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Mothers not dead, she's only a-sleepin
Patiently waiting, for Jesus to call


I presume this hymn also applies to Herr Falwell.  I bet that sombitch is still rotting.  Imagine just how many pounds of preservatives were entombed in the Adipose Mountains that was his neck roll alone.

ETA I will not, post SHF, enjoy eating these obese fuckers.  It seems to me that if we can keep them around long enough to trim them down a bit that they will be much better table fare.  That is, if you can stand the shrill sound of their oinking in a cage.  Fuck the brass knuckles and storm trooper boots, I say we break out the ketchup!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:36   

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"EXPELLED is earthshaking. I was absolutely blown away. Everyone in America, even skeptics of Intelligent Design, must see this film."
- J. Matt Barber, Director for Cultural Issues, Concerned Women for America

I believe Mr. Barber's occupation is listed incorrectly.  I think it should read:
 
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J. Matt Barber, Director for Cultural Issues, Concerned Misogynists of America

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:37   

neinstein.

god damn you are one of my favorite tard watchers.  if only you weren't sooooooooooooooo gay.

-sniffs-
-tosses hair-
-rolls eyes-
-squelches queef-
-votes for Ron Paul-

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,15:38   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 16 2008,15:37)
neinstein.

god damn you are one of my favorite tard watchers.  if only you weren't sooooooooooooooo gay.

-sniffs-
-tosses hair-
-rolls eyes-
-squelches queef-
-votes for Ron Paul-

I'm only gay when I kiss you, Rasser.




Oh, buy my book!

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,16:37   

Yesterday I listened to the Mark Mathis roundtable discussion on the SciAm site. All I can say is.....ugh.

Anyway, April 18 is getting awfully close now, isn't it? My local movie house even has their show times up. Sure enough, "Expelled" is opening on Friday, and even has matinee showings. Interestingly, "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" is opening at the same theater, with almost identical showtimes. Hmmm....

* strokes beard thoughtfully*

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,16:56   

There is no reason to go to EXPELLED now, at least for me.  I was planning on going to check out the animation, but they removed XVIOVs stuff, so I dont care anymore.

Glad that came out before Friday!  Saved me $10 and a 20-30 minute drive!

godsilove, you rock!

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,17:17   

This Youtube vid made me laugh. They keep using this word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

Or, in gutter parlance, own goal.

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,17:39   

Quote (ERV @ April 16 2008,14:56)
There is no reason to go to EXPELLED now, at least for me.  I was planning on going to check out the animation, but they removed XVIOVs stuff, so I dont care anymore.

Well, I was talking about seeing "Sarah Marshall." Except - I'm not sure there are enough Nazis in it to satisfy my taste.

Actually, I am curious to see Expelled fairly early in it's run. I'm interested in mingling with the folks who might show up on the first day...hear what they have to say about it. I can't really talk to my fundamentalist brother about these things, so the audience can be a sort of proxy for what he might be thinking. Or maybe his family will see it too, and then we can talk about that.

More likely I'll be at the microscope all day, but who knows.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2008,18:20   

Quote (ERV @ April 16 2008,14:56)
I was planning on going to check out the animation, but they removed XVIOVs stuff, so I dont care anymore.

Are we sure?

Besides, I am going to pass out cards saying;

The movie you have just watched, Expelled, contains little actual fact and many misrepresentations and outright lies. For the actual evidence, visit

http://www.expelledexposed.com

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"Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy."

L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

   
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